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Operating System Specific Discussions => AROS Research Operating System => Topic started by: dammy on January 06, 2004, 06:47:18 PM
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What would make a good AROS-1 that is cheap enough to be affordable but would still allow growth? I would guess that a major requirement would be that such a box would have to be able to dual-boot into a more mainstream OS. Being that, it should be x86 or x86-64 based? Or is there a better option in bang:buck ratio for a modern desktop system?
Biggest problem is drivers for gfx/snd/nic. What would be acceptable gfx card that developers have a reasonable chance of getting documentation for? Same for snd card and network card.
Dammy
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The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.
MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now :-)
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by bloodline on 2004/1/6 14:38:41
The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.
MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now
Cheapest mobo/athlon 64 is $335 w/o intergrated gfx. I would like to see a pure 64 bit AROS, but that's not going to happen any time soon (unless someone wants to donate a few machines to the devs;). The cheapest Opteron mobo with onboard grx is tyan S2850G2N with ATI Rage (8Megger) for $179.
IMO, too expensive for a AROS-1. AROS being as small foot print, I don't think it's really needing current upper end CPUs. 2200 XP with a MSI mobo would be over kill for $110.
What keeps me wondering is, what gfx card? Unless that nVidia bounty opens on TeamAROS and a dev takes it on, I don't see the major gfx OEMs as reasonable choice for a AROS-1.
Dammy
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bloodline wrote:
The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.
MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now :-)
What is the reason for Athlon64?
I would say: Go for an ITX board with a FANLESS VIA cpu. There is nothing more disturbing thans noisy fans.
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What keeps me wondering is, what gfx card? Unless that nVidia bounty opens on TeamAROS and a dev takes it on, I don't see the major gfx OEMs as reasonable choice for a AROS-1.
If you don't use VIA's mini-itx gfx card I think that the best idea would be to support Radeons.
I think that a fan-less mini-itx VIA board would be great for AROS.
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I have a Mini-ITX for AROS... runs great, Hard drive is noisey though :-)
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hagar wrote:
bloodline wrote:
The Best AROS-1 would be one of the Athlon64 Motherboards with integrated Gfx, Audio and networking... that we would know what hardware we are targetting and be able to develop drivers for it.
MY first thought would be one of the amasingly cheap Via Mini-ITX boards, but I would prefer to go 64bit now :-)
What is the reason for Athlon64?
I would say: Go for an ITX board with a FANLESS VIA cpu. There is nothing more disturbing thans noisy fans.
Athlon64, simply because that is the Leading edge and AROS can run on Athlon64 machines now :-)
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I don't care what hardware it is or how much it costs. Just make sure that people are only allowed to buy it (to run AROS on) if it's sold under a licensed AROS-1 trademark. That's the road to success!
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Seehund wrote:
I don't care what hardware it is or how much it costs. Just make sure that people are only allowed to buy it (to run AROS on) if it's sold under a licensed AROS-1 trademark. That's the road to success!
Funny you should say that, as I have some Branded AROS-1 motherboards here! They are old PentiumIII boards and come with 800Mhz CPU (No Gfx card or sound), and you can have one for only £900 :-o Hurry, because I expect them to sell like hot cakes ;-)
I am serious, by the way. :-P
-Edit- The £794 profit will be donated to the AROS Dev team.
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Not my setup. Haven't gotten AROS to run yet. Though it's getting closer each time. Does AROS have USB support?
I think my last install worked on my current computer, but no mouse.
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besides the point it would be pointless to have an AROS-1, but i think AMD are the go. And the smaller the formfactor the better!
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Market it as a true multimedia OS.
An integrated JIT 68k emulator for 68k apps would be cool too.
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by Argo on 2004/1/6 20:35:13
Not my setup. Haven't gotten AROS to run yet. Though it's getting closer each time. Does AROS have USB support?
Currently there is NO support for USB. PS2 mouse should work nicely. Right now, there is work being done with PCI and some slight hint of some taking a relook at what has been done so far for TCP/IP. Just takes awhile since it's all community driven OS with very little corp sponsors, though there are some rather nice folks out there who are helping out via TeamAROS (http://www.thenostromo.com/teamaros/) bounty donations. =)
Dammy
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by Rodney on 2004/1/6 23:01:10
besides the point it would be pointless to have an AROS-1, but i think AMD are the go. And the smaller the formfactor the better!
RIght now, I'll agree with you. Given in awhile once a few major applications are finished/working, it maybe time for it. It would allow merchants to sell niche machines to end users that would be preinstalled and all the hardware has the proper drivers. It's more of a reverse Eyetech, everyone is licensed hardware dealer and end users get to pick and chose the best machine that suits them. Choice, what an evil thing. ;)
Dammy
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It would be Great to run AROS on an AMD 64 platform, full 64 bit OS would just be iceing on the cake. Wasn't the Amiga OS the first 32 bit clean consumer OS ?
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I would like to see the ability run multible os in a window simliar to vpc on windows but built into the os, with the ability to grap data(video, text, and sound) from the other oses. Also i would like to see built in support for emulators for instance other cpu directory for storing basic cpu engines that can be emulated- 680x0 so programmer dont have recode for a mac or amiga emulator and ppc engine again for mac or amiga 4os. AMD 64 support is good also.
for source code for a vpc type emulator look here
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
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Don't see why everybody seems so keen on running AROS on big irons.
AROS should concentrate on what made the Amiga the Amiga, back in those days.
"Power without the price" was the motto, not brute force with the elegance of
a 40t-truck (and even the noise level ....). My personal experience is that I the times
where I would allways need more grunt has ended 2 years ago with buying the
AthlonXP1600, and that is running Linux :-o
A(R)OS is neat and clean and should therefore do more than o.k. with one of the
VIA-mini-ITXs. The 1GHz does need a small fan, but that shouldn't be a to big prob,
and it will surely deliever more than enough speed for any SW that AROS will get in
the coming years. Write a native/accelareted GFX-driver for it, put in in a really small case....
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bloodline wrote:
Running AROS on the Mini-ITX offers no real advantage over a Pegaos or A1.
Being cheaper and smaller is one big advantage..
But Running AROS on an Athln64 has an obvious advantage!
And that would be ? The fact that the CPU is now iddling at 95 instead of 80% ? :-P
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Kronos wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Running AROS on the Mini-ITX offers no real advantage over a Pegaos or A1.
Being cheaper and smaller is one big advantage..
But Running AROS on an Athln64 has an obvious advantage!
And that would be ? The fact that the CPU is now iddling at 95 instead of 80% ? :-P
:roflmao:
oh, I don't know that voxel demos can be quite cpu intensive... I'm sure the CPU is idling at 94% :-D
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by Kronos on 2004/1/7 10:22:44
Don't see why everybody seems so keen on running AROS on big irons.
AROS should concentrate on what made the Amiga the Amiga, back in those days.
"Power without the price" was the motto, not brute force with the elegance of
a 40t-truck (and even the noise level ....). My personal experience is that I the times
where I would allways need more grunt has ended 2 years ago with buying the
AthlonXP1600, and that is running Linux
A(R)OS is neat and clean and should therefore do more than o.k. with one of the
VIA-mini-ITXs. The 1GHz does need a small fan, but that shouldn't be a to big prob,
and it will surely deliever more than enough speed for any SW that AROS will get in
the coming years. Write a native/accelareted GFX-driver for it, put in in a really small case....
Hey, this is AROS, do both big iron and mini-ITX. =)
Dammy
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@dammy
Well it was you, who asked for ideas about an "AROS-Ohne".
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by Kronos on 2004/1/7 12:04:00
Well it was you, who asked for ideas about an "AROS-Ohne".
Heh, you got me there. Think I need to do a poll for this...
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
by Kronos on 2004/1/7 12:04:00
Well it was you, who asked for ideas about an "AROS-Ohne".
Heh, you got me there. Think I need to do a poll for this...
Dammy
Well don't forget to include the ZX81
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Being AOS like AROS is, as long as it runs silent, the rest doesn't matter much to me (Mhz wise).
That, an ATI Radeon and a decent sound board would made a perfect setup, hardware wise...
Mozilla ported back to it, plus OpenOffice and some of the amiga players, and voila, a Multimedia terminal!
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hould concentrate on what made the Amiga the Amiga, back in those days.
"Power without the price" was the motto, not brute force with the elegance of
a 40t-truck (and even the noise level ....).
Sorry, I disagree.
The Amiga 1000 was a dreammachin first of all because most of the people dreamed of owning so much money to afford that one.
The Amiga 3000 was the same when introduced: extremely expensive.
The A4000 was expensive, too.
The cheaper Amiga 500 brought the Amiga a game-boy like image. Similar the A 1200.
The A500+ and A600 were way overpriced or two years too late, you decide.
The CDTV was brilliant, but not understood, and DID NOT HAVE A HARDRIVE AND NO FLOPPY!
The CD32... sigh... simply too late.
On which of these qualities should AROS concentrate?
The only really balanced Amiga was the 2000, and that was expensive, too, but offered a lot for its price.
And no, I am NOT Doomy.
Anyway, I loved my 500 and now love my A1000/Phoenixboard.
Have fun,
McTrinsic
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Here is that poll (http://www.thenostromo.com/cgi-bin/vote/index.cgi) was promised. ;)
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Here is that poll (http://www.thenostromo.com/cgi-bin/vote/index.cgi) was promising. ;)
Dammy
Not anymore :-P
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Not anymore
Not working for you?
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Not anymore
Not working for you?
Dammy
Poll seems to be working fine (Probably best to start a new thread about it)... I can't decide what to vote for :-(
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bloodline wrote:
dammy wrote:
Not anymore
Not working for you?
Dammy
Poll seems to be working fine (Probably best to start a new thread about it)... I can't decide what to vote for :-(
Works ok for me now :-) .