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If this is actually what that description would imply (a reasonably capable small form-factor PPC laptop with well-documented hardware,) and it's really in that price range, I might actually be interested in getting one. Don't think I'd be running OS4 on it, but I'd still be all about having the hardware.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 03:06:55 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;664683
Without going into specifics, to the best of my knowledge, it's a PPC machine.
Hmm. I'd like to see the specifics, myself, at least as they stand at this point. If it is a PPC machine, that's pretty interesting - if it's not, it's just another low-end PC laptop.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 06:45:15 PM »
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It's probably something like this with AOS4 ported to it. Pretty Cool.
http://liliputing.com/2010/05/linkbook-9-inch-netbook-with-a-powerpc-processor.html
I hope not, that site doesn't tell me jack about the actual hardware beyond the RAM and SSD size, and apparently it's philosophically opposed to putting different operating systems on it >=(

Now, if this is really 800MHz, that's actually pretty promising (even better if it has AltiVec.) That's plenty enough for running Amiga software and capable of running a modern web browser functionally, assuming there's a good port. (Perhaps they can leverage TenFourFox or Camino's PPC optimization.) But I wish they'd quit farting around with releasing little nibbles of information and just tell us about the damn thing.

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Maybe that's because this is something people might actually buy ;)
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 07:00:56 PM »
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It's a netbook, not a notebook. That implies low power consumption and thus an SoC configuration. Much more likely to have onboard audio/video/network/whatever than AltiVec.
They're not mutually exclusive; even my Atom N270 netbook has SSE3. Not saying it will have AltiVec, but until we actually hear the specs I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 07:33:01 PM »
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PowerPC stopped being a desktop architecture a long time ago now and most embedded uses of it don't even require floating point, let alone vector units. However, basic floating point is a part of the Power specification that has been around since the start, so that will be included. AltiVec is an extension for multimedia/DSP and is only included in higher-end parts with a correspondingly higher cost.

I strongly doubt that a PPC based netbook intended to be affordable will be using Altivec enabled processors. It would be nice, sure, but if I were a gambling man, I'd bet it being a SoC, rather than an AltiVec compatible CPU + separate video/audio/io hardware.
Yeah, true. On the other hand, the whole "netbook" idea has been designed from the beginning for small-scale web browsing and video playback among other things, and that's something where SIMD extensions can make a significant difference; it'd be a pretty significant oversight to leave it off.

Again, I'm not going to make any bets on whether it will or won't, I just think it'd be nice if it did.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2011, 09:23:23 PM »
Also very true. Guess we'll just have to see.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2011, 10:46:42 PM »
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Firefox is good news with this, it would only require fully working and fast flash plugin
I wouldn't get your hopes up on that, Adobe doesn't really give a damn about platforms that aren't the mainest of the mainstream (look at how long smartphones and tablets had to be a big thing before there was an ARM Flash port.) If Lightspark gets its act together it might be worth a port, but don't count on getting YouTube any time soon.

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With that price it doesn't need to have any advantage over x86/window/LINUX netbooks,  but it needs to be working solution.
That's exactly why this is way, way better news than the X1000. At this price it's an obvious moderate hobby purchase, not a big-bucks trophy item for die-hards, and that's apt to appeal to a lot more than just the few most dedicated OS4 die-hards. It's still not quite as cost-effective as a refurbished PowerBook, but then it's new hardware, not used, so what the hey.

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Who needs Flash anymore? Not me, I won't miss flash adverts and relatively crap free flash games that are surrounded by flash adverts all over the page. HTML5 will make a lot of inroads over the next few years. Flash is slow on Macs (ok its got better over the years), Flash isn't support on iPad, Flash quickly drains laptop battery life, Flash is proprietary (sp) software, Flash isn't available on anything but PCs and Macs, Flash is dying a slow death. HTML5 is the rising through the ashes.
I know that it's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem (Flash won't die while HTML5 is still only starting to gain acceptance, HTML5 won't gain real acceptance while Flash lives,) but there's still a lot of sites that are Flash-dependent, and some of them are even worthwhile. The Escapist, for example, only offers HTML5 video to subscribers, and while I loves me some Zero Punctuation, I'm sure as hell not going to shell out just to be able to watch it on platforms that don't support Flash.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 11:58:41 PM »
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This must be targeted to main stream? At least partially?

They needed to manufacture quite many of them, to get price that low? So it woun't be possible to sell them all to Amiga scene users.
If the hardware already exists, then it's likely simply a packaging of OS4 with a branded version of something that's already in mass production; I wouldn't worry about availability.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2011, 12:15:50 AM »
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browsing the web with 400mhz and 256mb ram, good luck.......
I don't think it's that; they said that it would be in the 600-800 MHz range, and while they're being annoyingly coy with putting a name to this, it would be damned foolhardy to claim 50-100% faster performance than they actually plan to deliver.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 12:36:23 AM »
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Who are "they" and where did they say this?
Oh, you're right, I didn't read the thread carefully enough. Never mind...
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2011, 02:28:58 AM »
There is that, but seeing as that's apparently Hyperion's long-term direction and ain't nobody changing it, this is at least much, much better news than the X1000.

(I mean, if you're really adamant about not being stuck on PPC, there's always AROS.)
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2011, 10:14:43 PM »
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Netbooks are for feeble people who are too weak to carry a "real" laptop.  ;)

I don't see the attraction of an underpowered machine with a screen you need to squint at.  I'll stick to the AmigaOne X1000/500 until they bring out a proper laptop with an energy guzzling CPU that drains the battery in less than 2 hours, a minimum 17" display and a full keyboard (just like my PC laptop).
For me I'd like a machine somewhere in the middle. The first "netbooks" (the Eee 700 series, for example) were indeed underpowered as hell and too tiny to really use for a lot of us. On the other hand, a 17"+ mega-laptop is just too damn big and heavy for my tastes (even 15" is pushing it,) and I do want 4+ hours of battery life out of the thing, or I might as well just live with a desktop.

My ideal machine would be something with a 12" screen (4:3, dammit, none of this widescreen crap,) a real hard drive, 1.6-2GHz on a CPU that can make decent use of those clock cycles, and 4-8 hours of battery life; something that I can lounge on the couch or in bed with for as long as I please and have to worry about neither a collapsed lung from the weight or a strained eye from a tiny screen.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 10:51:07 PM »
Well, there's always that ;)
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 08:24:12 PM »
Uh, do we actually know that those are the specs, yet?

I will say, though, that I don't think a 400MHz machine is as underpowered as most people think. I've just started getting a 500MHz PowerBook G3 whipped into shape, and even running OSX on 512MB RAM, it can handle just about anything short of Flash/HD video. If this turns out to be a G4 derivative (especially at 800MHz,) it should actually be pretty capable.
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Re: Hyperion announce 12" Netbook running AmigaOS - due end of Q1/2012
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2012, 07:40:06 AM »
Certainly is getting on through Q1/2012...
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