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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: amoskodare on April 02, 2010, 08:58:39 PM
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A brand new Sam460ex!!!
http://www.sam4x0.com/sam460ex.html (http://www.sam4x0.com/sam460ex.html)
- flex-ATX form factor (21.6 x 17 cm)
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- 8 layers PCB
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- AMCC 460ex SoC – upto 1.066 Ghz
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- max 2 GB DDR2 Ram – 200-pin SODIMM up to 533 Mhz
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- Silicon Motion SM502 embedded MoC (audio/video) max 64Mb gfx Ram
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- Audio 5.1 Realtek ALC655 codec
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- PCI-express 4x lanes slot (16x mechanical connector)
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- PCI-express 1x lane slot (* check notes)
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- PCI slot, 32 bit, 66/33 Mhz, 3.3V
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- 1x SATA2 port (* check notes)
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- 6x USB2 EHCI/OHCI ports
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- 2x 10/100/1000 Ethernet ports
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- Lattice XP2 FPGA with 80 I/O pins expansion connector (optional)
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- UMTS/GSM module (optional requires add-on card)
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- 512 MB NAND Flash (optional)
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- integrated SD card reader
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- RTC clock
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- Serial port, 8-wires
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- I2C and SPI/I2C buses
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- passive cooling
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Good news this. Great for everyone I think. OS4/AROS/MOS all could run on this one way or the other.
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This is good. I'll probably not buy one, but it's nice for those that would.
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Guess I need to start saving some money either for this or a good deal on older board... always wanted one - just pricey for what it is!
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Still going to be expensive with a cost of around 600-650 euros , and not to forget the AOS4 that will total you around 750 euro or $1011US. I'll have to pass on my opportunity to have an AOS4 machine.
The Dawg
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I'd love to have an OS4.1 machine....but the cost puts me off :(
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I'd love to have an OS4.1 machine....but the cost puts me off :(
I really like this. But the price... ummm... I want to say I could justify it....BUT....
I CAN'T...
I will pray to the retro-Gods for a $300-600 wondermachine worthy of the name AMIGA!
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A brand new Sam460ex!!!
http://www.sam4x0.com/sam460ex.html (http://www.sam4x0.com/sam460ex.html)
Not mentioning any names here, but here's a giggety-gig at the certain someone who predicted the end of ACube and Sam. ;-)
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A real board as opposed to the X1000. I don't think we'll be seeing the X1000 this year, probably not ever.
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Well this is most suprising, I'd figured that ACube would be leaving the Amiga market after the X1000 was launched but they seem to be in it for the long run.
Nice board, it was what most of us were expecting and hoping for since the Flex came out ;)
A couple of comments about the specs:
Not sure why they bothered with on-board GFX/Audio?
Looks like it's only only got one SATA port (and even that gets disabled if you use the PCI-e 1x slot)?
You have to wonder what Hyperion's support will be like for this new board when they also have to update OS4.1 for the X1000?
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Interesting... Maybe I am reading too much into this, but no mention of OS4 license and availability for this board?
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A real board as opposed to the X1000. I don't think we'll be seeing the X1000 this year, probably not ever.
Where do you get that bullshit from? Are you accusing hyperion of lying through their teeth??
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Interesting... Maybe I am reading too much into this, but no mention of OS4 license and availability for this board?
they didnt do it for the sam440 either, and look how that turned out
link (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=499911#post499911)
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Interesting... Maybe I am reading too much into this, but no mention of OS4 license and availability for this board?
I doubt we have to worry about license now that amiga inc is out of the picture. I am more curious about how long it will take to port it to this board.
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Oh, wow, it's almost as powerful as an iPad....
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A third board in the same spirit as the two previous ones. I must say I didn't expect they would continue the uphill struggle as long as to a third board. If nothing else, their passion about this is admirable, and deserves an applause... :)
Good news this. Great for everyone I think. OS4/AROS/MOS all could run on this one way or the other.
For MorphOS it would be a serious downgrade, so I don't think it will happen. Im just now setting up MorphOS on my new Mac Mini 1.5GHz that I got today (typing this with MorphOS 2.4 and OWB 1.7), and from the overwhelming positive experience I've got from the MorphOS/Mac combo this far, I could never see myself buying something like the Sam for the kind of money they are asking, when you can get so much more for so much less. But some people probably will (some people always do)... :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_400
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Are you accusing hyperion of lying through their teeth??
Not saying that they are this time (time will tell), but it would hardly be the first time if they were, now would it?
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I doubt we have to worry about license now that amiga inc is out of the picture.
Except that they aren't...
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Where do you get that bullshit from? Are you accusing hyperion of lying through their teeth??
Irrespective of my or anyone else's opinions of Hyperion, what do they have to do with the X1000? Apart from one guy from them been a partner in Aeon.
Gaz
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600 Euros? Maybe its for someone who's really into OS4 (and has some money to blow). Aros? Nope the X86 port's the one they're focusing on. MorphOS? A Mac Mini (or, when an update is released, a Powermac) would be a better solution.
X4 PCIe in a X16 slot=crippled video performance. One X1 slot, 1 SATA connector, and a price that would buy you a fairly nice PC (for a motherboard only).
I'm glad you guys are optimistic. I'll wait for Powermac support on MorphOS.
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Irrespective of my or anyone else's opinions of Hyperion, what do they have to do with the X1000? Apart from one guy from them been a partner in Aeon.
I dunno, check the "About Us" page on a-eon.com
Oh wait....
Seriously though, it's nice to see ACube is fighting back against the X1000!
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My guess, is that Acube is thinking on the future, trying not to loose potential AmigaOS 4.x market share against aeon, and is delivering a new motherboard that will be much more affordable than an aeon x-1000 or whatever it is named, and it is delivering it right before they do.
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It is positive to see new hardware for 4.1. I even got interested again, after selling my Peg2 with 4.1 last year (and I payed 180 euros for that sweet little motherboard but felt even that was a bit too much).
Then áfter I read the news of new SAM I ended up on MooBunny, then I read about the MOS on Mac Mini experience above here.
Confusion set in, sorry, I dont get it and I am afraid to ask on aw.net, maybe I get my third warning there if I would (not that I really care, I am such a rebel -not-).
...but anyway, is it not in the best interest of 4.1 that it would be released for Mac Mini PPC to? Is the main reason you need to pay ~600 euro for the mobo (or 1000+ euro for x-computer) alone just so that Amiga dealers can force to sell 4.1 together with the mobo?
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Irrespective of my or anyone else's opinions of Hyperion, what do they have to do with the X1000? Apart from one guy from them been a partner in Aeon.
Gaz
Hyperion has already stated that they have a WORKING board. If the board does not exist, then that means they have been lying. They have also showed a linux screenshot of processes running on this said board.
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Not saying that they are this time (time will tell), but it would hardly be the first time if they were, now would it?
Please refresh my memory then? What exactly have hyperion lied about?
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wopps. .wrong.
You should read a bit on Moobunny if you want to see the dark side of Amiga companies actions :)
But remember, dont come to me crying when all you have been told to believe is not true ok :)
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wopps. .wrong.
You should read a bit on Moobunny if you want to see the dark side of Amiga companies actions :)
But remember, dont come to me crying when all you have been told to believe is not true ok :)
The place to go if you want to read misinformation by trolls.. :P I have to admit that there is a few interesting threads there though, but most of the shit there is just trolling..
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It is positive to see new hardware for 4.1. I even got interested again, after selling my Peg2 with 4.1 last year (and I payed 180 euros for that sweet little motherboard but felt even that was a bit too much).
Then áfter I read the news of new SAM I ended up on MooBunny, then I read about the MOS on Mac Mini experience above here.
Confusion set in, sorry, I dont get it and I am afraid to ask on aw.net, maybe I get my third warning there if I would (not that I really care, I am such a rebel -not-).
...but anyway, is it not in the best interest of 4.1 that it would be released for Mac Mini PPC to? Is the main reason you need to pay ~600 euro for the mobo (or 1000+ euro for x-computer) alone just so that Amiga dealers can force to sell 4.1 together with the mobo?
Amigaworld is not like it used to be.. You dont get banned for having a different opinion anymore. Amigans.net is pretty much what has replaced the old heavily moderated amigaworld.
Even the mods have very different views about OS4.1 and next generation hardware.
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Maybe they feel it will be easier porting OS 4.x if every 460ex user has a known base quantity as regards graphics and sound ?
Isn't having standardized graphics and sound true to the original Amiga?
I'm glad to see ACube still trying to kep the dream alive ;I just wish econimcs were more favorable.Amigans must admit this is much more capable than an A500 which sold for $700-$800 new when introduced.
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The place to go if you want to read misinformation by trolls.. :P I have to admit that there is a few interesting threads there though, but most of the shit there is just trolling..
Yes, I agree with you, partly, but for someone like myself who was away between 2000 and 2004 (the GW2000 fiasco made me sell of every Amiga I had and delete my folder of 50+ bookmarked Amiga-sites) it is quite interesting to find out where all this blue/red war came from for example and to get a different opinion of the state of Amiga today.
Moo bunny is Amiga reality in a cold harsh way, IMHO. ok, back to track again ;-)
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Ok I know you was being sarcastic Persia, but at least it can multi-task!
There is a lot of people complaining the iPad can't multi-task, i.e you can't play music and read a book on it. Will be interesting to see if Apple do take this criticism on-board and fix it.
I did consider buying an iPad just for novelty value, but I decided am gonna show my support and buy an AmigaOne X1000 instead - if the price is realistic.
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Maybe they feel it will be easier porting OS 4.x if every 460ex user has a known base quantity as regards graphics and sound ?
Isn't having standardized graphics and sound true to the original Amiga?
I'm glad to see ACube still trying to kep the dream alive ;I just wish econimcs were more favorable.Amigans must admit this is much more capable than an A500 which sold for $700-$800 new when introduced.
Yeah, but dont forget that back then that A500 had incredible performance for less than half the price of other similar computers of those times.
Proof in pudding is what you do with the system, it is one thing to cash down 800 big ones on a nische computer in 2010, it is another to have it on your desk every day and find out you never use it, for myself, I sold my NG Amiga because ultimately it was just a toy, although a very cool toy and a nice experience to for a little while play in the alternative reality where if it was 1998 and AmigaOS was ported to PPC, but it is not 1998, it is f"n 2010 :)
So I advice everytone to get one if you feel the need to, try it out, post your opinion, make yourself heard, the market is relatively stable so you can probably get back 60-80% what you invested if you sell it on.
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Yeah, but dont forget that back then that A500 had incredible performance for less than half the price of other similar computers of those times.
Proof in pudding is what you do with the system, it is one thing to cash down 800 big ones on a nische computer in 2010, it is another to have it on your desk every day and find out you never use it, for myself, I sold my NG Amiga because ultimately it was just a toy, although a very cool toy and a nice experience to for a little while play in the alternative reality where if it was 1998 and AmigaOS was ported to PPC, but it is not 1998, it is f"n 2010 :)
So I advice everytone to get one if you feel the need to, try it out, post your opinion, make yourself heard, the market is relatively stable so you can probably get back 60-80% what you invested if you sell it on.
Comes to that old chestnut again don't it... Amiga will need software developers en-mass to start making ports or it will forever remain a toy.
The average user wants to be able watch YouTube videos, send email, log on facebook and buy stuff on E-Bay. If the current owners can 'BUNDLE' this all into the OS Distribution (even if its freeware software Gnash etc...), give us a pretty desktop with a red/white Bouncy Ball in the corner and blazed across the screen on logging, a Dock bar-like interface then Amiga would stand a far better chance of succeeding.
New users should not be expected to downloading thousands of libraries that do something simple as idk display a PNG.
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@Thomas
Yep, I can testify that Amigaworld.net is no long run by Stalinists. I've expressed my dissatisfaction at the price and specs of both the SAM and A-Eon boards more often than I care to think and no bans, no warning, no complaints, nothing.
That doesn't mean you won't encounter anger from some of the more enthusiastic crowd there, but that's to be expected. I like Amigaworld.net ALMOST as much as here.
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Yeah..
But the point I was trying to make (and I failed :) ) was that if the price is low enough I can justify have a toy on my desk, but then I also need to feed my toy with something, else it lacks purpose, I need to feed it software, there comes os4depot in light.
It is not the same for classic for me, I do not need new software for my classics to enjoy them since I want to run the software I am fond of from back when classic was defacto standard in the Amiga world on them.
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they didnt do it for the sam440 either, and look how that turned out
link (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=499911#post499911)
True. But now Hyperion has an in-house hardware project that this seems to compete directly with. Yeah, I know A-Eon is set up as a separate company but we can see who is behind it. While the dots have not been officially connected, it would seem the X1000 is the MAP Hyperion has hinted at.
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I doubt we have to worry about license now that amiga inc is out of the picture. I am more curious about how long it will take to port it to this board.
It seems Hyperion has the right to do what they want with OS4 now, but will they?
I'm just speculating out loud here.
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True. But now Hyperion has an in-house hardware project that this seems to compete directly with. Yeah, I know A-Eon is set up as a separate company but we can see who is behind it. While the dots have not been officially connected, it would seem the X1000 is the MAP Hyperion has hinted at.
There's no question about the X1000 being tied to Hyperion, they even marketed the thing ;)
ACube must have been working on this new board for awhile, probably started right after the Flex. The interesting thing is that they still choose to release it. The must have some confidence in selling them otherwise why would they bother. It's all very interesting (the great Amiga soap opera continues). They must also be confident that Hyperion will devote the required resources to get OS4.1 up and running on it quickly.
I wonder if they are also going to 'Flex' this thing? You know 1.4ghz (460GTx), 4GB ram, 2 x SATA.....mmmm, not quite so 'low end' now if you know what I mean ;)
I can't wait to see what happens over the next 6 months :)
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It sounds like the X1000 will be able to live with the Sam460ex because it has more to offer in the long run.
I doubt Sam460ex will kill an X1000.
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...but anyway, is it not in the best interest of 4.1 that it would be released for Mac Mini PPC to? Is the main reason you need to pay ~600 euro for the mobo (or 1000+ euro for x-computer) alone just so that Amiga dealers can force to sell 4.1 together with the mobo?
What you describe is a so called "business model" - and it is different from the MorphOS team. I suppose they try to build a new base of hardware AND software combination with more than one system deliverer. In this context the HW company makes some money, the software company makes some money, the dealers make some money - especially if they build systems for customers (like my sam440ep was pre-assembled by my dealer).
Of course the software part in this model could make more money if they port the OS to Macintoshs. But up to now Hyperion still exists and ACube still exists and AmigaKit and Vesalia as well - so it seems to work.
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Please refresh my memory then? What exactly have hyperion lied about?
Careful now, I don't think you really want to go there...
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Maybe they feel it will be easier porting OS 4.x if every 460ex user has a known base quantity as regards graphics and sound ?
Not the slightest.
Isn't having standardized graphics and sound true to the original Amiga?
How is slapping on a bog standard controller chip "true to the original Amiga"? They could at least have used something suitable for desktops. If the max resolution is 1280x1024 and it has no 3D, then isn't it just dead weight that adds complexity and cost to the board? Everyone will use a "real" GFX card anyway...
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Interesting... Maybe I am reading too much into this, but no mention of OS4 license and availability for this board?
They will probably wait until AROS is released for it, like they did with the 440. ;-)
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Careful now, I don't think you really want to go there...
Yes master, we will not dare to ask for mystical, secret knowledge of the book "what-happend-in-the-past-and-we-are-the-beholder-of-the-one-and-only-truth-really-trust-me". Blabla.
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Careful now, I don't think you really want to go there...
Actually i would like to know.. I know they went over the non promised deadline a few times, but that was not really entirely their fault was it??
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Not the slightest.
How is slapping on a bog standard controller chip "true to the original Amiga"? They could at least have used something suitable for desktops. If the max resolution is 1280x1024 and it has no 3D, then isn't it just dead weight that adds complexity and cost to the board? Everyone will use a "real" GFX card anyway...
I guess you would be happy about the board being even more expensive to make up for the extra cost of the gfx chip? Graphics cards cost nothing these days and this board takes any pci express card with driver support. What kind of games do we have that would even take use of a high end graphics card?
I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...
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Don't ask the question, you might get the answer and nobody want that....
Yes master, we will not dare to ask for mystical, secret knowledge of the book "what-happend-in-the-past-and-we-are-the-beholder-of-the-one-and-only-truth-really-trust-me". Blabla.
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What you describe is a so called "business model" - and it is different from the MorphOS team. I suppose they try to build a new base of hardware AND software combination with more than one system deliverer. In this context the HW company makes some money, the software company makes some money, the dealers make some money - especially if they build systems for customers (like my sam440ep was pre-assembled by my dealer).
Of course the software part in this model could make more money if they port the OS to Macintoshs. But up to now Hyperion still exists and ACube still exists and AmigaKit and Vesalia as well - so it seems to work.
Yes, I guess it makes sense by describing it with a business model.
But actually it makes no sense at all.
A companys main priority is to make money. If Hyperion believed in OS4.1 they would port it to Mac Mini ASAP (and they would bake in runinUAE so oldschool Amiga users would be able to play shadow of the beast with a simple click), they would make some money for sure.
But somehow I got the impression they are hiding their real passion and reason for developing this OS of 4.1, if it was just the joy of developing an AmigaOS4.1 clone of Workbench 3.1 I am sure we would see happy devs from Hyperion spreading the OS4.1 love on forums, now see only grumpy old men complaining of the community IMHO. Maybe the real reason, the big MAP in making lots of cashish from Amiga is yet to be anounced. Because in my narrow mind I fail to believe you can make lots of money with the NG Amiga built from the real arian AmigaOS source as it is today.
Anyways,, who cares. Amiga 1200 with 060 and 3.1 will be here forever and that is what makes the world go round lol ;-)
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I guess you would be happy about the board being even more expensive to make up for the extra cost of the gfx chip? Graphics cards cost nothing these days and this board takes any pci express card with driver support. What kind of games do we have that would even take use of a high end graphics card?
Haven't you really made his case for him here? If they are that cheap, why add extra expense to what will due to the economies of scale already be very pricey board? By having a simpler design the cost of the board would go down, given the lack of a need for the latest and greatest gfx card, even a bargain bin card would be more then adequate and likely add nothing to the overall cost whilst providing a much better experience out of the box.
I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...
2003 just called, they want their red/blue war back.
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I guess you would be happy about the board being even more expensive to make up for the extra cost of the gfx chip? Graphics cards cost nothing these days and this board takes any pci express card with driver support. What kind of games do we have that would even take use of a high end graphics card?
I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...
I doubt it, MorphOS already supports Mac Mini up to 1.5Ghz and support for G4 power Macs up to 2Ghz is coming. Used Power Macs cost $20-$200.
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Let me make it clear that I have nothing against Acube and wish them nothing but the best. I would have to guess they must have an industrial customer to keep them alive...
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a lot of these arguements are *exactly* the same as 3 years ago when the sam440ep was announced.
its a great game, just replace sam460ex for sam440ep and mac mini for pegasos2.
even though all this was said previously, acube are still in business and are making a new board to sell. i think that says alot.
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Irrespective of my or anyone else's opinions of Hyperion, what do they have to do with the X1000? Apart from one guy from them been a partner in Aeon.
Gaz
@Gaz
Read this rant. (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31229&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#550417)
You do not have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. For what it is worth: WE are the X-1000. A-Eon, Hyperion, the "Friedens", and the whole OS 4 team. How dare you belittle the effort of this group with your snug arrogance?
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even though all this was said previously, acube are still in business and are making a new board to sell. i think that says alot.
Acube is a real company, with a real products and real support and warranty. I think they have earned the respect of Amigans, not just OS4 users. MorphOS users might not be interested in the product, but I doubt you will see them badmouthing the company (unlike a certain other company, or 2).
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@Gaz
Read this rant. (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31229&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#550417)
Rouge at it again eh? This is one of the (if not the) lead developers, right?
Way to sell to your customer base.
@persia Good luck on the app.
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I bet you would drool over this board if OS 4.1 was replaced with MorphOS instead...
As I said earlier, I'm just now setting up MorphOS 2.4 on my *Mac Mini*. It's maxed out in specs, it's the 1.5GHz model with 64MB vram, it has 1GB ram, and compared to this Sam the Mini has a real G4 CPU, GFX with 3D and higher screen resolution, etc, etc. This means that it isn't the cheapest of Mini's, far from it, and I know that I didn't pay the cheapest price for this particular model either. Still, I got it (the complete system) for *less than half* of what this Sam *motherboard alone* will cost. The machine I've got is way faster and so much cheaper. Why on earth would I drool over a motherboard that is inferior to what I already have that would only dig a deep hole in my wallet? If I would buy anything else, then it would be an even more powerful PowerMac for even less money. Or a powerbook. Look, I respect Acube for what they are trying to do, I respect their passion, etc, but if you for a second believe I'm *envious* and "drooling" about this Sam motherboard, then I must say that there is something *fundamental* about the whole situation you fail to grasp...
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Rouge at it again eh? This is one of the (if not the) lead developers, right?
Way to sell to your customer base.
@persia Good luck on the app.
on the other hand this wii bot was really provoking.
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-rgghhh.. dub post..
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takemehomegrandma (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=772): I own the same setup as you do (just my cpu is overclocked) and it's absolutely amazing how MorphOS is working on it. But we have to remember how big Apple was (and is) when was establishing MacMini and how small ACube is.. On the other hand, these days this specs are not any exciting at all.
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@Gaz
Read this rant. (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31229&forum=33&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#550417)
You should of linked to that with "WARNING: LOW FLYING DUMMY" :D
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even though all this was said previously, acube are still in business and are making a new board to sell. i think that says alot.
Yes, but what does it say? :)
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Rouge at it again eh?
:roflmao:
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You have to wonder what Hyperion's support will be like for this new board when they also have to update OS4.1 for the X1000?
no worries there as ACube put up a teaser a few weeks back at aw & amigans and the screenshot showed OS4.1 running with an Eyemotion video card! hence OS4.1 is already running on it:).nothing else was given away and many of us thought that the Eyemotion would be avaialble to fir into the exisitng Samflex via the mini PCI slot..but alas ACube bigger ideas!
@ All
don't forget that ACube would not have considered making this baord unless sales for the Sam440 were there so this is great news for Amiga..now bring on the X1000...& TimberWolf & OO & oops forgot..we already have Blender:banana::D