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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: redrumloa on April 02, 2011, 10:07:46 PM
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Teaser 1 (http://i56.tinypic.com/2nm0s3c.jpg)
Teaser 2 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2nlr5eh.jpg)
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Err, why is the pics showing in the preview. Karlos, can you fix that??? I must be missing something!
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Err, why is the pics showing in the preview. Karlos, can you fix that??? I must be missing something!
For God's sake Jim, I'm a moderator, not a forklift! :lol:
Unless they were supposed to be either thumbnails or links, I don't see the problem?
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:roflmao:
I haven't posted news in a long time it seems. A way to get it in the recent posts?
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:roflmao:
I haven't posted news in a long time it seems. A way to get it in the recent posts?
It already is. At least when I click "New Posts" anyway. Am I missing something here?
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Dunno, but the only thing it's got in common with the Amiga is the name, other than that it's just some naff portable device you'd find in the bargain bin at the local SuperDrug on a wet Wednesday Morning... :)
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It already is. At least when I click "New Posts" anyway. Am I missing something here?
I'll take this to PM since I am cluttering up the news. :hammer:
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Wow! It took me a whole 30 seconds to figure out they weren't made by Apple (the screen size gave it away). But if they are any good i might buy one :)
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Interesting Red,
But why don't you tell us what they are?
And what the Freescale G4 processor symbol in the upper left means.
And why the Commodore logos is at the top of the screen.
Great tease, but I can imagine multiple things.
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Interesting Red,
But why don't you tell us what they are?
I'm guessing... oooh, amiga branded android tablets?
And what the Freescale G4 processor symbol in the upper left means.
You mean the news category icon? It's been a G4 chip icon for years ;)
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I'll tel you exactly what it is.
An M701 Haipad with an Amiga branded wallpaper
I bought my wife an identical one for spare change about six months ago, except hers is much classier as it doesn't have the crap wallpaper.
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looks like more amiga name abuse to me ;)
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Is there an Amiga EMU for the arm processor or whatever is in the android tablets? According to the specs on the M701, if thats what it is, and it does appear likely, it's running a Telechip TCC8902 800Mhz cpu with 256 megs of ram, or 256eg internal memory, 128meg ram, whatever that means... maybe the 256meg is rom... dunno.. much nicer price than a stupid ipad... I also found that comment about the screen size being used to determine it wasn't an ipad... I guess you didn't see the giant stack of ports facing us in the first picture. That is yer dead giveaway, not the screen size. Apple doesn't want you having ports you didn't pay extra for... silly user..
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Interesting Red,
But why don't you tell us what they are?
And what the Freescale G4 processor symbol in the upper left means.
And why the Commodore logos is at the top of the screen.
Great tease, but I can imagine multiple things.
It is a tease at the moment. I only know a little myself about this tablet atm. From just looking at it I'd have to say it is Android based.
I don't work for CUSA, I just happen to be local. I get bits of information from time to time about things up and coming, like the Disney announcement they have all come true. Make sure you have an ample supply of popcorn because 2011 will be a VERY interesting year. The next couple months will make some happy, some apathetic and some will see Armageddon.
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Didn't realise April 1st ran all the way into April 2nd this year... :)
Or perhaps we're caught in a time loop... :eek:
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Didn't realise April 1st ran all the way into April 2nd this year... :)
Or perhaps we're caught in a time loop... :eek:
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The next couple months will make some happy, some apathetic and some will see Armageddon.
Yes, some will be pulling their hair. I think its kind of neat.
"They're back"
I'll tel you exactly what it is.
An M701 Haipad with an Amiga branded wallpaper
I bought my wife an identical one for spare change about six months ago, except hers is much classier as it doesn't have the crap wallpaper.
Way to go Nicholas! Time to check this out!
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so can i buy it for the exact same cost as any generic android tablet??? I already have amiga wallpapers:laughing:
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I just automatically assume anything remotely Amiga news related must be April Fool Bollox!
When CUSA bring back that Amiga Branded Lancaster bomber from the moon that the Sunday Sport newspaper (ironically gone bust today) promised they would, then I might just stretch forward to read the article, otherwise its marketing bollox and nowt else. !
Lets clear up a few CUSA and other X86 and other platform fauxness, if it smells like an x86, works like an x86, made as an x86 and sold from the US of A as an Amiga, I can go down to my local Asda/Walmart buy an x86, load the same bollox and stick an Amiga label on it myself and save on the f*cking import tax and postage without any worries over refunds. So will someone namely Red cos he's closer, tell the owners of the Amiga brand in the US of A to take their f*cking piss pot faux Amiga PCs and Mobile phones and shove them up their ARSES!
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I just automatically assume anything remotely Amiga news related must be April Fool Bollox!
When CUSA bring back that Amiga Branded Lancaster bomber from the moon that the Sunday Sport newspaper (ironically gone bust today) promised they would, then I might just stretch forward to read the article, otherwise its marketing bollox and nowt else. !
Wot... The Sunday Sport gone bust...:cry:
Me favourite intellectual bit of erm.. reading let's say... :(
(odd how something with so many busts could go bust as they were never shy of being about busts... :))
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Those are sub-$100 Android tablets and are currently available by the tens of thousands on eBay.
I'm typing this on one right now!
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Those are sub-$100 Android tablets and are currently available by the tens of thousands on eBay.
I'm typing this on one right now!
So does anybody want to guess what the "Amiga" tablet will sell for? $200? $300?
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Well since those "involved" don't know what products they're actually intending to ship and one eagle-eyed resident has already identified the device, here's the specs:
Android 2.1 WIFI / 3G/ HDMI/ 1080P/ 3D GAME
Processor:Telechip Tcc8902 High-performance ARM 11 processors
Frequency 720MHz Support for hardware 2D/3D graphics acceleration
Memory : DDR2 256MB
Storage : Built-in flash memory 2GB Support extemal TF card,maximum capacity of 32GB
Wireless : IEEE802.11b/g wireless network
USB : USB1.1 high speed interface and USB2.0 OTG
Video Output: HDMI1.3 Full HD Video Output interface Analog AV composite video output interface
Audio : 3.5mm headphone jack
High-quality stereo loud speaker
Built-in microphone
Headset maximum output power of 40mW
Frequency response:20Hz-20KHz
SNR: greater than 90db
Size:7 inch
Resolution:WVGA 800*480
Color: 16milion colors
Operating: Resistive Touch Screen Single
Other : Size:193*115*14.3mm
Color:Black/White/Silver
Weight:350mg
Battery:Built-in lithium polymer battery 1400MAh
Accesories: Power adapter(output DC 9V/ 1.5A)
USB Cable
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Can we not reduce the photographs to links?
I'm feeling the need to puke each time I look at the screen as see something marked "Amiga" when it is about as "Amiga" as my grandmother's tits.
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Can we not reduce the photographs to links?
I'm feeling the need to puke each time I look at the screen as see something marked "Amiga" when it is about as "Amiga" as my grandmother's tits.
Examine your grandmother's tits for trademarks that often, do you?
:D
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Examine your grandmother's tits for trademarks that often, do you?
:D
yes, and they have a chicken-lips design on them. You should see her "tramp stamp"! :eek:
:D
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It already is. At least when I click "New Posts" anyway. Am I missing something here?
Could we turn those in to thumbnails? It's messing the front page.
How many mods does it take to post a news announcement?
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Could we turn those in to thumbnails? It's messing the front page.
How many mods does it take to post a news announcement?
"Depends which way you screw them"...
Oh, that's lightbulbs! Sorry. :D
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Ok. Now I'm mad, and I've rewritten this about a dozen times, because -- like an argument you know you'll have with your wife when you get home -- I just knew that the moment that someone posted anything about Amiga's upcoming tablet, all the little negative cockroaches would scurry out from the cupboard to do anything they could to trash the idea.
As such, I've had time to get my proverbial blood ready to boil, and -- to no one's surprise -- sure enough, you guys are true to form in your bitching and moaning...
Suffice to say... The Amiga "community" will never get it.
If it's not a dead-ended, 10x overly-expensive PowerPC-based piece of crap, you guys will never accept anything that anyone does. Even if it *is* the aforementioned piece of crap, you guys sit around here bitching about it and picking it apart until there's really no point any more.
How many people have tried to bring anything to the table (including Genesi) only to get sick and tired of dealing with this rabid community and move their attentions elsewhere?
Seriously, it's no wonder that this community has pretty much been abandoned by anyone willing to invest real time, effort, and most importantly, money into any forward-looking venture.
Just to seem redundant, if not to push my point, this is EXACTLY why I told Bill not to even bother with posting it here when he let me in on their ideas and plans.
Time to face facts guys.
Unless you're willing to be openly shafted by hobbyists trying to get your hard-earned money for antiquated toys (and oh boy I wish I cared enough to rip you all off -- erm, I mean develop said toys), the Antiquated Amiga (as most of you seem desperate to continually define it) is dead.
Much like dog years, in computer terms, the Commodore Amiga platform is roughly 97 years old, having been forced to retire when Commodore died at age 70.
Sure, there are some old boxes that refuse to die, but time isn't on their side, and let's face it, unless you're one of those people who have dozens of Amigas in your garage, when yours dies, there's probably a 99.9% chance that you'll just move on to a real computer.
I don't intend to slight those of you who like hanging out with your grandparents (or in this case, their computer) but damn. I mean.. damn..
While I wish there were something more "Amiga" about an Android tablet, and even though I already own a far superior iPad, even *I* think that the move towards supporting Android is the right way to go for Amiga Inc.
Especially if they can eventually work to bring something new to the table and maybe even provide something unique for it, like a developer program, and (God forbid) community for it.
The way I see it, you can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution, and hell, even I'll probably toss in to buy an Amiga Android tablet, if for no other reason than to get in on the ground floor of developing for it.
It'll be cheap enough.
Are you so afraid of Amiga Inc actually producing anything that you're willing to suffer through getting nothing at all, or even worse, actively trying to destroy any chance they have of succeeding?
Really?
Wayne
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Well since those "involved" don't know what products they're actually intending to ship and one eagle-eyed resident has already identified the device, here's the specs:
Android 2.1 WIFI / 3G/ HDMI/ 1080P/ 3D GAME
Processor:Telechip Tcc8902 High-performance ARM 11 processors
Frequency 720MHz Support for hardware 2D/3D graphics acceleration
Memory : DDR2 256MB
Storage : Built-in flash memory 2GB Support extemal TF card,maximum capacity of 32GB
Wireless : IEEE802.11b/g wireless network
USB : USB1.1 high speed interface and USB2.0 OTG
Video Output: HDMI1.3 Full HD Video Output interface Analog AV composite video output interface
Audio : 3.5mm headphone jack
High-quality stereo loud speaker
Built-in microphone
Headset maximum output power of 40mW
Frequency response:20Hz-20KHz
SNR: greater than 90db
Size:7 inch
Resolution:WVGA 800*480
Color: 16milion colors
Operating: Resistive Touch Screen Single
Other : Size:193*115*14.3mm
Color:Black/White/Silver
Weight:350mg
Battery:Built-in lithium polymer battery 1400MAh
Accesories: Power adapter(output DC 9V/ 1.5A)
USB Cable
While they may look similar, those are not the correct specs. From my understanding, they have three models. A 7", either an 8" or 9" model, and a 10" model, all with better specs than that.
I would gladly show you the spec page, but I'm not sure it's ready for open pub yet, so until I'm asked, I'll have to simply say that you're wrong on this one Darrin. Nice arm-chair quarterbacking though.. :)
Wayne
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Could we turn those in to thumbnails? It's messing the front page.
How many mods does it take to post a news announcement?
That's ironic coming from a Moderator!
Why is everyone picking on Karlos? He's under a lot of pressure.
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"Depends which way you screw them"...
Oh, that's lightbulbs! Sorry. :D
Actually that's kind of true. You turn things different ways in USA compared to the rest of the world. Darrin you are so smart you don't even know it! :hammer:
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Wanye, Wayne, Wayne. What has happened to you :rolleyes:
The Classic Amiga is far from dead. There is a lot happening at the moment in Amigaland. The upcoming Natami + the minimig will mean everyone will switch over when they become available and their current Amiga precious dies out. Also there are lots of people investing in the Amiga community. What about DiscreetFX, Aeon, Natami, Acube? I thinks these investors are genuine as they are well aware that they will make no profit from investing in the Amiga community. That's more than what i can say for certain others i know of...
As for your words about the Amiga community ripping itself to pieces i think you are wrong. We are defending what is truely Amiga while trying to keep people away who have no interest in what is truely Amiga and simply are trying to make a quick buck. These are the people ripping the Amiga community apart. I'm sorry Wayne but i think you are on the wrong side :)
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Ok. Now I'm mad,
Wayne about the only thing you can do to change the norm is to disable posting to Amiga.org
It's pretty clear that clone hardware with Amiga "stickers" is non-news for number of people here. No need to get upset. If all this branding can lead to something interesting in the future, I'm willing to wait and see. If not, I'm as unexcited and the next goob.
Plaz
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Wanye, Wayne, Wayne. What has happened to you :rolleyes:
The Classic Amiga is far from dead. There is a lot happening at the moment in Amigaland. The upcoming Natami + the minimig will mean everyone will switch over when they become available and their current Amiga precious dies out. Also there are lots of people investing in the Amiga community. What about DiscreetFX, Aeon, Natami, Acube? I thinks these investors are genuine as they are well aware that they will make no profit from investing in the Amiga community. That's more than what i can say for certain others i know of...
As for your words about the Amiga community ripping itself to pieces i think you are wrong. We are defending what is truely Amiga while trying to keep people away who have no interest in what is truely Amiga and simply are trying to make a quick buck. These are the people ripping the Amiga community apart. I'm sorry Wayne but i think you are on the wrong side :)
Yeah a bit extreme. Generalist classification of "you guys". I stopped reading at that point.
As to specs of the Amiga branded tablets well FFS nothing was posted so people will speculate. (get it SPECulate). And poor old Franko will be squirming to keep his tongue.
Smile and wave Franko just smile and wave.
Waiting for specs but guess as everyone else has that these will be commodity hardware with an Amiga logo to multiply the margin. Wouldn't it be easier for them just to set up a website with the wallpapers and sell the sticky labels online.
Why go to all the trouble?
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If the specs are inline with the Gen2 tablets coming out and there is a 10" model with GPS, I might be interested. I've been thinking about getting a tablet and have been watching the developments. Possibly a birthday present when June rolls around.
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June is your partner yeah?
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Wanye, Wayne, Wayne. What has happened to you :rolleyes:
I sought treatment for my Peter Pan syndrome, grew up, and realized that the Amiga is dead.
The Classic Amiga is far from dead. There is a lot happening at the moment in Amigaland.
delusions.
The upcoming Natami + the minimig
How is that not dead, outdated, and/or useless. Where can I buy one on a store shelf of a major retailer? Why would anyone (as a non fanboy) really want to?
Also there are lots of people investing in the Amiga community. What about DiscreetFX
Touche.
Aeon, Natami, Acube? I thinks these investors are genuine as they are well aware that they will make no profit from investing in the Amiga community.
... and how many of those three will actually end up producing anything for the 200 or so of you left, only 25-50 of which will actually buy ANYTHING?
As for your words about the Amiga community ripping itself to pieces i think you are wrong. We are defending what is truely Amiga while trying to keep people away who have no interest in what is truely Amiga and simply are trying to make a quick buck. These are the people ripping the Amiga community apart. I'm sorry Wayne but i think you are on the wrong side :)
I can see your feelings on the matter, and even try my damnedest to understand them, but cannot agree.
Especially from the outside looking in. It just looks like a bunch of delusional fanboys out there praising "truly Amiga" when, in fact, most of you weren't even born in 1994. :)
I can respect the fact that most of you actually like dicking around with antiquated, pain-in-the-arse systems. Hey, Fleecy has his sheep, so I can accept that everyone's gotta have a hobby, but to sit here and trash Amiga Inc's even TRYING to do something (without anyone here even really knowing what it is yet) just smacks of drooling fanboyism, which -- when worshiping a platform that's been dead for 16 years -- I find kinda sad.
Sorry, I know it's trolling, and I realize that you pretty much think I'm both an idiot and crazy for wanting to move forward instead of looking backwards, but I just can't understand this dying devotion to a dead platform.
For 1985 through about 1992, it was the $#!&. By 1995 when Newtek abandoned the platform, it was already being surpassed by even the PC. By 2002 with the invent of OS X, the Amiga platform had zero point zero chance of ever being anything more than a fading blip on the old "machine that goes ping" covered in spider webs in the corner. Again, I get that some of you find it interesting to actually tinker with your toys, but I guess I've just gotten old and indifferent.
I actually have gotten to the point that I really don't like computers any more. I don't like tinkering, I don't even really enjoy playing with Web sites any more, even though I still run/operate/own about a half-dozen or so. It's just not my thing, so maybe I'm the wrong person to sit and read all this tripe about hobbyists companies coming out with crap no average computer user (read: non-fanboy) will ever bother with buying.
In the words of the immortal Emily Litella, as played by the incomparable Gilda Radner, "I don't get it".
Wayne
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Yes we all understand the reality of classic Amiga's and more than most of us were here in 94. You should know that. But for someone that ran AORG for such a long, respected, time don't you see the irony of your post in its context.
I think you're on the wrong forum.
We can look both forward and back. It's the only way to do it.
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I think you're on the wrong forum.
Maybe so. Like I said some time ago, I got to a point in my life where I realized that if I hit a 300 million dollar lottery, it just wouldn't make any sense to invest a dime into anything Amiga-related. Prior to about 2001, I don't honestly think I felt that way.
I just don't understand the context of trashing Amiga Inc for trying to head in what -- at least -- I think is the right direction while pedantically defending "teh true Amiga".
If everyone understands the reality of the situation, why the reticence to look forward and the nail-digging-into-the floor to keep from being drug into the future?
I say again. Amiga Inc even looking into moving towards Android is a good thing. No. It's not "teh true Amiga" but -- as you just admitted -- you all really do know in your heart that "teh true Amiga" is a dead end.
No one, whether AI, Genesi, or anyone else will ever (nor could they ever) build anything "Amiga" (to your definitions) that would ever satisfy any of you (or become a commercial success).
The SOLE potential exception to that rule would be if Amiga Inc would/could pull an "OS X" and ground up the Amiga philosophy into BSD on an open platform for sale.
Take that "Amiga X" platform and combine it with Android's functionality, or even build an OS to run on an Android device, and I think they'd have something there.
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Well, according to posts in the CA.Org forums, these tablets are iContain Amiga 7" tablets.
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Yeah a bit extreme. Generalist classification of "you guys". I stopped reading at that point.
You're right, with my apologies. Like I said, I'd been waiting for about a week for all the fanboys to go on the offensive against AI and their Android tablet, so when it predictably happened, I probably over-reacted.
Absolutely nothing new there :)
Wayne
Why go to all the trouble?
Being the optimist that I am (har de har har), I choose to hope that there's a bigger picture going on in the background than simply rebadging Korean tablets. Then again, I guess I've been foolishly optimistic for about what... 20 years now, so I'm prone to hope for the best when it comes to "teh brand"..
How else could I feel bad when I get screwed over for my troubles?
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Ok. Now I'm mad, and I've rewritten this about a dozen times, because -- like an argument you know you'll have with your wife when you get home -- I just knew that the moment that someone posted anything about Amiga's upcoming tablet, all the little negative cockroaches would scurry out from the cupboard to do anything they could to trash the idea.
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While I wish there were something more "Amiga" about an Android tablet, and even though I already own a far superior iPad, even *I* think that the move towards supporting Android is the right way to go for Amiga Inc.
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The way I see it, you can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution, and hell, even I'll probably toss in to buy an Amiga Android tablet, if for no other reason than to get in on the ground floor of developing for it.
Wayne, firstly you've jumped the gun a little with your post. There was only one or two strongly negative posts here, which considering the opinionated nature of the Amiga community as a whole is pretty mild. I thought you would have developed a thicker skin by now, perhaps you just had a bad day, happens to everyone.
As for the whole 'you can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution', it's worth taking a step back and examining what we're discussing. What is it that we are looking to develop? Is our attachment to the Amiga computer or the Amiga brand that keeps us here?
It's an interesting question, one that often arises. The obvious answer is that its the Amiga computer that we're interested in, but the brand clearly has it own draw too. It's not as simple as just saying it's the hardware we like, as there were similar devices to Amiga that we don't find ourselves discussing (such as the one home computer that was arguably superior to the Amiga at the time, the Sharp X68000). The draw with the Amiga is the whole experience: hardware, software, community.
What is iconic embodiment of the Amiga experience. Some will point to the OS, and it has been the development of the Amiga-like OS choices that has largely kept the Amiga scene fresh. I'm personally more drawn to the hardware, so the new FPGA Amigas are the most interesting projects for me (as well as AROS).
Maybe this makes me 'part of the problem'. Perhaps there's something I'm not understanding, in that I don't see what's exciting about Commodore or Amiga-branded products that don't have the Amiga hardware, software or community legacy backing them up. To put it bluntly, why should I care? I mean, I already have a decent PC, if I'm buying something else I would like it to offer something different from what I've already got.
If bringing back a higher level of brand awareness for Amiga is what you're hoping for, then I can understand that, but let's face it, the brand will represent something different. It's like what happened to the Atari brand, where the company that originally built up the brand is long gone, and the name is used to enhance the profile of a different company (game publisher Infogrammes changed their name to Atari, SA. in 2009, according to Wikipedia).
It's tricky to separate the name from the experience: MorphOS users had to do it, AROS users too, and now C=USA is indirectly forcing AmigaOS users to do the same. I'd say the resistance is understandable, but hopefully once the dust settles we'll realise the computers we enjoy haven't gone anywhere, and we'd be better off leaving similarly-named but different products to those that enjoy them.
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.....Take that "Amiga X" platform and combine it with Android's functionality, or even build an OS to run on an Android device, and I think they'd have something there.
I agree. As long as it is clear to purchasers what they are buying. Nobody here would want an unsuspecting consumer to buy something commodity under a pretense. If there is real value add, then great. If it is just about using the Amiga name to lift margin on commodity hardware.... ohhhh dear....
Rollup rollup buy the Hyundai Mustang...
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I agree. As long as it is clear to purchasers what they are buying. Nobody here would want an unsuspecting consumer to buy something commodity under a pretense. If there is real value add, then great. If it is just about using the Amiga name to lift margin on commodity hardware.... ohhhh dear....
Rollup rollup buy the Hyundai Mustang...
exactly.
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No one, whether AI, Genesi, or anyone else will ever (nor could they ever) build anything "Amiga" (to your definitions) that would ever satisfy any of you (or become a commercial success).
Who cares if an 'Amiga' is a commercial success? It doesn't matter now, the time when that mattered has long since past. The community now has control of the platform (Minimig + AROS), as long as I can obtain a computer I enjoy using I don't care if I can't buy it in a shop, and I don't care if the masses aren't interested. It's a hobby. If anyone has got delusions of grandeur, it's not those who still enjoy the classics, it's those people who think success is driven by how many units are sold.
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Wanye, Wayne, Wayne. What has happened to you :rolleyes:
.... I'm sorry Wayne but i think you are on the wrong side :)
+1 ..Wayne you should know, of all people, that putting a sticker on an already existing product and posting that product on an Amiga related board is not a smart idea. Why don't you tell CUSA to invest in the many bounties & shows in the amiga community to help support & develop it ?
If Amiga is dead to you then please let it rest in peace ! why do you want to see AI get a stinking cent off royalties off these PC's if Amiga, as you stated numerous times, is dead to you?? what the hell has AI done for us...err besides a bloody snowman maker ROFL
btw, I honestly have nothing against CUSA since they changed the name of the Linux skin to something other than Workbench 5 so if they want to sell generic PC's running Linux then all the power to them as getting a slice of the pie in PC market is very difficult these days
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I would buy an ARM based tablet with AmigaOS running native, stable and updated but NOT from Amiga Inc. I will not support those that steal from their customers, business partners and employees. It looks like they are still trying to kill AmigaOS and force feed us another OS and generic hardware with an Amiga sticker on it. We are too smart for this! If it was any other company but Amiga Inc. we might give them the benefit of the doubt. Boycott Amiga Inc.!
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While they may look similar, those are not the correct specs. From my understanding, they have three models. A 7", either an 8" or 9" model, and a 10" model, all with better specs than that.
I would gladly show you the spec page, but I'm not sure it's ready for open pub yet, so until I'm asked, I'll have to simply say that you're wrong on this one Darrin. Nice arm-chair quarterbacking though.. :)
Wayne
Are you referring to the iContain product listings?
Example: http://icontainprotects.com/products/tablet
#6
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Could we turn those in to thumbnails? It's messing the front page.
How many mods does it take to post a news announcement?
Answer = 2, one to make the announcement and the other one to fix it when the first one F's it up... :D
3 on a bad day... ;)
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Looks like Haipad, but if you give us the specs , we can be sure. I've got several Android tablets already, most were resistive but I finally broke down and bought capacitive. Now I'm pretty much down to two tablets, the Android and the iPad 2....
(http://i53.tinypic.com/w8ns49.gif)
Teaser 1 (http://i56.tinypic.com/2nm0s3c.jpg)
Teaser 2 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2nlr5eh.jpg)
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I would gladly show you the spec page, but I'm not sure it's ready for open pub yet, so until I'm asked, I'll have to simply say that you're wrong on this one Darrin. Nice arm-chair quarterbacking though.. :)
Wayne
I guess I'll need to wait a little longer then. I hate guessing games. :)
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@ Wayne
Wow... so much material you posted there I could would need to write a book just to respond to half of them... :)
But instead just PM me and I'll give you the number of a good shrink & a highly recommended anger management course... :)
In the meantime best just to take a long leisurely walk in the sunshine and count the clouds as they gently roll by and spot the commodore logos on em... ;)
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I agree. As long as it is clear to purchasers what they are buying. Nobody here would want an unsuspecting consumer to buy something commodity under a pretense. If there is real value add, then great. If it is just about using the Amiga name to lift margin on commodity hardware.... ohhhh dear....
Rollup rollup buy the Hyundai Mustang...
My thoughts exactly. If this was a "Commodore" tablet then great. But sticking a bloody Amiga label on it???!!! WTF???!!!
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Definitely Haipad
Could you make the question harder next time?
(http://www.solomobi.com/pic/Haipad%20M701/M701%2005.jpg)
http://www.solomobi.com/Product-Haipad_M701.html (http://www.solomobi.com/Product-Haipad_M701.html)
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All these threads about CUSA and all the others who are trying to cash in on the Amiga & Commodore names is all pretty see through, "yeah slap a Commodore or Amiga sticker on it and the mugs will buy it cos it's retro..." must be the mantra of these companies, as this wee video only goes to prove... :)
[youtube]dU94T6KZnSg[/youtube]
Gawd... you'd think some of us were born yesterday... (mind you from some of the posts I've read I do wonder...) :D
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I think I've secured a pic of the mainboard...!
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/gertsy2000/?action=view¤t=Amiga7000board.jpg
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I think I've secured a pic of the mainboard...!
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/gertsy2000/?action=view¤t=Amiga7000board.jpg
Ooooh... that pictures clearly a fake there are no Commodore stickers on it... :(
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@ Gertsy
Fixed... ;)
(I learnt from the best... :D)
(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Misc/Amiga7000board.jpg)
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Who cares if an 'Amiga' is a commercial success? It doesn't matter now, the time when that mattered has long since past. The community now has control of the platform (Minimig + AROS), as long as I can obtain a computer I enjoy using I don't care if I can't buy it in a shop, and I don't care if the masses aren't interested. It's a hobby. If anyone has got delusions of grandeur, it's not those who still enjoy the classics, it's those people who think success is driven by how many units are sold.
+1 on this point.
WD Franko, It's amazing what a well placed chickenhead sticker can do. "one 'ere, and one 'ere and another o'er 'ere".
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+1 on this point.
WD Franko, It's amazing what a well placed chickenhead sticker can do. "one 'ere, and one 'ere and another o'er 'ere".
Yup you can never have too many stickers... :)
(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Misc/Amiga7000board-1.jpg)
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How many people have tried to bring anything to the table (including Genesi) only to get sick and tired of dealing with this rabid community and move their attentions elsewhere?
Actually, Genesi has persistently supported the AROS and MorphOS communities with time as well as money via MorphZone and Power2People and continues to do so.
Are you so afraid of Amiga Inc actually producing anything that you're willing to suffer through getting nothing at all, or even worse, actively trying to destroy any chance they have of succeeding?
Maybe this is surprising to you but there are people on this forum who are not here because of the brand label that was put on their computer but because they have individual preferences regarding how hardware and software is supposed to behave.
These same people are first and foremost interested to buy products that fit their personal preferences on a technical level. If they cannot get those, why would they have a personal interest to see that anybody makes a profit off an 80s computer brand?
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I just don't understand the context of trashing Amiga Inc for trying to head in what -- at least -- I think is the right direction while pedantically defending "teh true Amiga".
Slapping a name-sticker to someelses product (with no Amiga-relevance) and than hoping to scam some investors into it is not what I'd call "heading in the right direction". O.k. that was 2000-2001 but neither Bill nor Barry got any smarter or honest than what they were back than.
Bout these tablets, well either they are iContain-Amiga, which mean they will only be rent-at-inflated-prices lowend stuff that just needed some (any) brand-sticker. Yes that would include McBill as it seems.
From what I understood NotC=USA got their Amiga-licence bypassing McBill (good move) and while it seems that they are prepared to invest a bit more effort there seem to do it in all the wrong way (the horrid keyboard-cases are the least thing I would like to return from the C64-A500 era).
Doing it that way they are also only targeting the retro-growd (just as slightly different part than Natami,Minimig or Jens' stuff).
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@Wayne and others selling/sold by the CUS of American Dream.
Lets get this pretence of these "added value" only in America product lines, being pushed to a "Global" audience as "World Wide" Amiga computers, when there not.
I don't care if its a mobile/tablet/pc or other goods available through "global sources" as this stuff with a different label is available in the U.K/Europe by much more reliable sources/support lines without the CUSA middle man and without the CUSA Hype and will do exactly the same for less cost. Should we start a branch called EUSA with the selling the same tat, as I am 100% positive there isn't anything here that cannot be copied.
My final beef with all this is the "Title", CUSA know they are an "American" business, their market is "America", no matter what resellers that can be brought on board, the business, the products, the goal is to turn a American business into a global brand using the Commodore and Amiga titles. That's it, end, nothing more....So why the attempt to bring the old community with them, why ?
Nostalgia ! Plain and simple. They are looking to "Sell" to people like me who would say "Oh I used to own an Amiga" without the hassle of building their own brand themselves.
Unfortunately they didn't pick a commodity brand that I seen brought back from the dead in my high street store, they picked a iconic computer brand and worse they try to sell on the basis of that "nostalgia" as a modern "Amiga" like experience.
Its insulting, its a con and its an small fry American computer shop, trying to sell in the "Big" world and frankly its insulting, I will go somewhere local.
When CUSA have a product thats called the "CUSA" something which does something nothing else can do, you might find that the world is a target, otherwise keep to CUSA to your local market and get CUSA the hell off Amiga.org forum.
As the Dragons would say "Its not a business and I am out!".
Shaz
PS Ive been a member for sometime now, if this continual marketing of CUSA continues, I think its time for me to go. I don't see any reason to believe that this just isn't a US lead attempt to scupper any future for a European based Amiga platform(s)
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And here another thought, call it xenophobic but, isn't it ironic, the CUSA is using a brand that the USA Gov. thought was some European based communist infiltration using cheap typewriters. Ironic, that the brand was founded during the suspicion and lies of the MacArthur era, now it receives the same treatment but the lies still sit state-side in both cases.
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When CUSA have a product thats called the "CUSA" something which does something nothing else can do, you might find that the world is a target, otherwise keep to CUSA to your local market and get CUSA the hell off Amiga.org forum.
As the Dragons would say "Its not a business and I am out!".
Shaz)
Im finding it all a wee bit fishy to be honest when certain admis & mods who only a couple of months ago were more than happy to slate CUSA at every possible chance suddenly seem quite happy to start threads about them and say crap like give them a chance and I'm willing to buy a neat C64 case... :confused:
Wonder if Barry's been passing round the Coke Zero again... :D
Amazing what a giving some folk a soft drink can buy you... :(
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And here another thought, call it xenophobic
Not quite the word that came to my mind.
but, isn't it ironic, the CUSA is using a brand that the USA Gov. thought was some European based communist infiltration using cheap typewriters. Ironic, that the brand was founded during the suspicion and lies of the MacArthur era, now it receives the same treatment but the lies still sit state-side in both cases.
It`s called the 'McCarthy era'.
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@Wayne
I think that you should set back and relax because you make BAFs look rational. A regular Tablet, built around Google's Android having an Amiga sticker is not something really worthy. The Amiga brand with any advantages of its unique OS (at its time), the strong community it had and the dedicated software houses / developers is like the dead corpse you described without even a soul in it.
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How to use a bottle opener to open a bottle of beer :pint:
Step 1. Place your thumb near the lip. Grip the bottle opener as you position your thumb near the bottom of the lip while your fingers hold the rest of the handle.
Step 2. Position the lip under the lip. Hold the bottle opener on an angle so that the bottom part of the lip can hook onto the lower part of the bottle cap. At the same time use your other hand to hold the bottle and keep it in place.
Step 3. Pull off with an upward force. Once hooked, pull with pressure with the bottle opener. The curved end of the bottle opener near the upper part of the lip will press against the upper portion of the crown while the other end that was hooked to its lower part will bend it until the bottle opener can easily pull it off from the mouth of the bottle. Make sure to hold the bottle steady or you will spill your valuable liquid.
Drink beer! :)
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I think I've secured a pic of the mainboard...!
http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/gertsy2000/?action=view¤t=Amiga7000board.jpg
Lol... The good old Sinclair ZX80 :)
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I would buy an ARM based tablet with AmigaOS running native, stable and updated but NOT from Amiga Inc. I will not support those that steal from their customers, business partners and employees. It looks like they are still trying to kill AmigaOS and force feed us another OS and generic hardware with an Amiga sticker on it. We are too smart for this! If it was any other company but Amiga Inc. we might give them the benefit of the doubt. Boycott Amiga Inc.!
when hyperion won the os4 but not the amiga inc name, it was pretty much game over, as i see it. the things that have happen latley is of no shock. i would advice people to enjoy their classic a1200 or a4000, for what it is. everything computing today is windows or macosx, thats how it is and will be. amiga as we know it is dead, been since the last failed attempt in 2001 and amigaone.
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7 points to bloodline for almost picking the mystery mainboard. 12 months out though.
But an IBM Z196 processor in a personal computer would be something to behold.!
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/w8ns49.gif)
Teaser 1 (http://i56.tinypic.com/2nm0s3c.jpg)
Teaser 2 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2nlr5eh.jpg)
Looks like good news to me :-)
I would quite happily purchase an Amiga branded tablet for less than £75 if it was android based and the specs were OK.
Amiga was and still is all about Multi-Media and today that Android (for a more open solution) or Apple (a closed solution), at least in the mobile space.
And if they were to throw in a preloaded UAE port Amiga roms and few old Amiga games that played well on the device all the better.
Don't get me wrong I use and enjoy both classic Amiga hardware and next gen OS4 and Minimig solutions for playing my old games and running my old software, but OS4/MorphOS or a FPGA hardware solution is never going to be a mainstream product
the world has moved on for better or worse.
I don't see the point in getting upset when someone tries to do something positive, it results in a product you don't like or need don't by it and please don't wine about bad it is that you don't want one.
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7 points to bloodline for almost picking the mystery mainboard. 12 months out though.
But an IBM Z196 processor in a personal computer would be something to behold.!
Ah, I just saw this. It's a ZX81 for sure. Gotta love those curved traces...
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Sorry wayne, but i completely disagree.
Just because the Amiga isn't a commercial success in this day and age, doesn't mean people who still enjoy AmigaOS (and/or its clones) should be cockahoop because some company has installed an Amiga wallpaper on a generic no-brand bargain bin Android tablet and charged a premium for the service.
Step in the right direction, my ass.
BTW, my AmigaOne has had more use in the 7 years i've owned it than any of the other computers i've had in that time. It represents good value to me from that point of view, and I enjoy using it more than ever. Whether or not its dead as a viable commercial platform is irrelevant to me.
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@xeron
Wow, long time no see! I'm pretty sure I was just lamenting your (and many others besides) absence from the site only the other day.
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I still visit daily, I just don't post much these days.
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That's ironic coming from a Moderator!
Red posted the article expecting it to look a bit different and appear somewhere else on the front page. Unfortunately, I didn't realise what he was trying to ask me until he'd explained it about 10 times. I'd had a long fortnight (was working last weekend, all weekend), what can I say?
Why is everyone picking on Karlos? He's under a lot of pressure.
I am, as a matter of fact, but it's nothing to do with this place...
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All this being said is probably just supporting evidence as to why I sold the site and (mostly) moved on.
I have zero interest in the Antique. Only slightly more in Android tablets.
Suffice to say that I think you should all count your blessings that someone stepped forward to buy the site when they did, and you've got someone such as Bill P (who still believes) and Karlos around who actually give a damn enough to run it.
I still maintain that them (AI) at least trying to do something with Android is a good thing, but I do agree that "sticking a sticker on a generic tablet" doesn't really get anyone anything. I've even said so much to McEwen.
That being said, since I have zero interest in anything antiquated, the only option left for me in this arena is to hope or believe that McEwen et, al are trying to accomplish something bigger than simple rebadging.
What I don't get is.. who this "icontain" group? Since it's "Amiga by iContain", how much actual control to McEwen and company even have over anything any more?
Wayne
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I have zero interest in the Antique. Only slightly more in Android tablets.
Wayne
For someone who has "zero interest in the antique" it's a bit odd that these days you like to constantly point out to everyone else that this antique you have zero interest in is dead... :(
Dunno what turned you into such a bitter grumpy old fart when it comes to the Amiga but I think you have let it affect your life too much and perhaps it time you left it all behind before it makes you even more bitter & it consumes you totally even though your in denial about it with your claim of "zero interest"... :(
Perhaps a new job or hobby might take your mind of the Amiga and help you chill out a wee bit... :)
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All this being said is probably just supporting evidence as to why I sold the site and (mostly) moved on.
I have zero interest in the Antique. Only slightly more in Android tablets.
Suffice to say that I think you should all count your blessings that someone stepped forward to buy the site when they did, and you've got someone such as Bill P (who still believes) and Karlos around who actually give a damn enough to run it.
I still maintain that them (AI) at least trying to do something with Android is a good thing, but I do agree that "sticking a sticker on a generic tablet" doesn't really get anyone anything. I've even said so much to McEwen.
That being said, since I have zero interest in anything antiquated, the only option left for me in this arena is to hope or believe that McEwen et, al are trying to accomplish something bigger than simple rebadging.
What I don't get is.. who this "icontain" group? Since it's "Amiga by iContain", how much actual control to McEwen and company even have over anything any more?
Wayne
Sorry for my just dropping the name and a link into the thread. Your post had given me the impression that you have been speaking with Bill recently, so I was just curious if he had spoken to you about IContain. And frankly, I was a bit confused when I saw the post that began this thread...
I'll give you a link. Please read the comments. I get a sense from your posts how you feel about hope for the future, so I'll just give you the same advice I would give anyone reading such a thread:
Ignore the instant negative responses and read that which you feel holds some factual weight.
IContain announces Amiga branded TVs, cell phones and computers (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5831)
Feel free to ask any questions. There are things that can be said and things that can not, as per usual.
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I still visit daily, I just don't post much these days.
Ditto xeron, ditto!
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/w8ns49.gif)
Teaser 1 (http://i56.tinypic.com/2nm0s3c.jpg)
Teaser 2 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2nlr5eh.jpg)
android tablets with Amiga emulation???
http://forum.classicamiga.com/forum/showthread.php/4204-UAE4Droid-Amiga-Emulator-for-Android-based-mobiles!
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I had a Haipad 701, bought it in Da Nang on a beach holiday in Vietnam. My laptop got left at home by mistake. It was alright, but capacitive screens are so much better that I just sold the thing when I got back.
I guess you can go ahead and sell the Haipads with an Amiga home screen, but frankly I think the returns on it are going to be awfully high.
I'd suggest the Herotab C8 instead. Still built for CHinese market, but the extra sixty buck gets so much more.
http://www.merimobiles.com/Herotab_C8_Dropad_A8_Samsung_1GHZ_Android_2_2_p/meri0552.htm (http://www.merimobiles.com/Herotab_C8_Dropad_A8_Samsung_1GHZ_Android_2_2_p/meri0552.htm)
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Could anyone who is excited by this "new Amiga" tablet please answer the following:
Why should I as a consumer with money to spend purchase this tablet over an identical specced tablet that costs less?
What value does it add that I will not get if I buy the same hardware without the Amiga branding?
Thank you.
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@nicholas
We'll have to wait and see, I guess. However, based purely on what we can see here, you get an Escom era Amiga logo for your wallpaper. Trump that with your unbranded device :)
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(http://i53.tinypic.com/w8ns49.gif)
Teaser 1 (http://i56.tinypic.com/2nm0s3c.jpg)
Teaser 2 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2nlr5eh.jpg)
It looks cool! I think it could please some ex-Amiga users and surely this is smart move. Much better idea than that stupid AmigaNowhere.
Personally I would prefer using stronger Commodore branding though. It had much better coverage. My friend's dad still has his first pocket calculator, which was Commodore.
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LOL - Wayne seems to see raise Amiga from the "Ashes" like this company http://www.atari.com/
They seem to make profit but who cares if its branded Atari or Infogrames - to be honest i liked the later more.
I am curious if they have a community - for sure not a very loyal one, but yes they sell no HW. Hey but they could buy some tablet or incredible kewl x86 systems an slap some stickers on it - the would be great - a bright light future for sure - we should support them also because the invested so much to buy the brand and thats enough now they should earn easy cash with higher price standard HW.
At least thanks god wayne has sold the site but on the other side the money could have been invested better. There are enough other sites which aren´t worser.
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Wanye, Wayne, Wayne. What has happened to you :rolleyes:
The Classic Amiga is far from dead. There is a lot happening at the moment in Amigaland. The upcoming Natami + the minimig will mean everyone will switch over when they become available and their current Amiga precious dies out. Also there are lots of people investing in the Amiga community. What about DiscreetFX, Aeon, Natami, Acube? I thinks these investors are genuine as they are well aware that they will make no profit from investing in the Amiga community. That's more than what i can say for certain others i know of...
As for your words about the Amiga community ripping itself to pieces i think you are wrong. We are defending what is truely Amiga while trying to keep people away who have no interest in what is truely Amiga and simply are trying to make a quick buck. These are the people ripping the Amiga community apart. I'm sorry Wayne but i think you are on the wrong side :)
Couldn't agree more, Amigans (especially ones who remain with the platform today) are huge fans of their platform/Os, people take the piss out of Apple "fanboys" but they're nowhere near as loyal as Amiga fans.
Imagine how Apple fans would feel is some cheap Asian OEM started putting out "Macs" in replica cases running Windows 7 or Ubuntu, they'd be foaming at the mouth and find it a huge insult. Putting the Amiga brand on this cheap tat is not innovative, does not represent anything the Amiga was famous for, and just proves to cheapen the name, ruin the legacy and hurt people who were touched and had their lives changed by this unique machine, by reducing the Amiga legacy to, basically a badge on a PC-clone (which was a machine we all hated back then).
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Imagine how Apple fans would feel is some cheap Asian OEM started putting out "Macs" in replica cases running Windows 7 or Ubuntu, they'd be foaming at the mouth and find it a huge insult.
erm...
Imagine?
"They are plans for something like Mac Mini too."
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=625741&postcount=3
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Imagine how Apple fans would feel is some cheap Asian OEM started putting out "Macs" in replica cases running Windows 7 or Ubuntu, they'd be foaming at the mouth and find it a huge insult.
Not saying you're wrong, but... at least Ubuntu is closer to Darwin than Linux is to AmigaOS. Apple fans would be pissed, but at least they'd be in more familiar territory...
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Imagine how Apple fans would feel is some cheap Asian OEM started putting out "Macs" in replica cases running Windows 7 or Ubuntu, they'd be foaming at the mouth and find it a huge insult.
I got news for you, C=USA is not using low quality hardware. I guess you don't remember the screaming about OS-X or going Intel coming from the macheads? I mean it's BSD with Mac OS theme then the eeeeeevil Intel hardware! Hell, the macheads were going to load up on the one true PPC macs and use them till hell froze over. Or don't you remember that all?
Putting the Amiga brand on this cheap tat is not innovative
Cheap as in affordable hardware or cheap as in low quality? Yes, it's going to be affordable hardware and not some sky high PPC pricing. If you are saying it's low quality hardware, back up that claim. We do not know exactly which specific CPUs nor what the new OS will be based on for the new Commodore Amigas.
does not represent anything the Amiga was famous for, and just proves to cheapen the name, ruin the legacy and hurt people who were touched and had their lives changed by this unique machine, by reducing the Amiga legacy to, basically a badge on a PC-clone (which was a machine we all hated back then).
Could be far worse, he could have chosen a dodgy PPC mobo from a OEM that was about to go out of business leaving everyone high and dry. See, could have been a far far worse!
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Could be far worse, he could have chosen a dodgy PPC mobo from a OEM that was about to go out of business leaving everyone high and dry. See, could have been a far far worse!
Ok but installing Linux on it with red color and an Amiga desktoppicture and UAE and it would have been on half the way to be accepted by you, right :)
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I got news for you, C=USA is not using low quality hardware.
Is it going to be better quality than the PC I already have for an equivalent price?
Somehow, I strongly doubt it.
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Not quite the word that came to my mind.
It`s called the 'McCarthy era'.
Yes, and I wrote the entire post during a migraine attack what's your excuse for 14.5 words of sh*t
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SO COOL, I waited so long for this day! Though i could of bought the extract same device without Amiga branding off ebay at any time (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=android+tablet&_sacat=0&_odkw=amiga+tablets&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1311), now thats its got the name Amiga on it, it must be the next new real Amiga and be soo much cooler and a full Amiga experience me must go a order one right away!!! :crazy:
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All this being said is probably just supporting evidence as to why I sold the site and (mostly) moved on.
I have zero interest in the Antique. Only slightly more in Android tablets.
Suffice to say that I think you should all count your blessings that someone stepped forward to buy the site when they did, and you've got someone such as Bill P (who still believes) and Karlos around who actually give a damn enough to run it.
sad to say, after all you did build this place. but Maybe it's time you moved on then?
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"No! You came here for an argument!" - John Cleese
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"No! You came here for an argument!" - John Cleese
Going from memory here, but I believe the correct response is:
NO! I didn't!
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Imagine how Apple fans would feel is some cheap Asian OEM started putting out "Macs" in replica cases running Windows 7 or Ubuntu, they'd be foaming at the mouth and find it a huge insult.
Not exactly what you meant, but this is pretty similar:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/meizus-m8-apple-lawyers-start-your-engines/
@Boudicca
Any chance you could tone down the vitriol a little?
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@Boudicca
Any chance you could tone down the vitriol a little?
Sure. Anything for a friend. In the end, it's words, not actions, you should see me when I'm angry, you won't like me when I'm angry ;)
Even the Angels take cover. ;)
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A late April Fool's Joke???
Where did these pictures come from?
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Ok. Now I'm mad, and I've rewritten this about a dozen times, because -- like an argument you know you'll have with your wife when you get home -- I just knew that the moment that someone posted anything about Amiga's upcoming tablet, all the little negative cockroaches would scurry out from the cupboard to do anything they could to trash the idea.
As such, I've had time to get my proverbial blood ready to boil, and -- to no one's surprise -- sure enough, you guys are true to form in your bitching and moaning...
Suffice to say... The Amiga "community" will never get it.
If it's not a dead-ended, 10x overly-expensive PowerPC-based piece of crap, you guys will never accept anything that anyone does. Even if it *is* the aforementioned piece of crap, you guys sit around here bitching about it and picking it apart until there's really no point any more.
How many people have tried to bring anything to the table (including Genesi) only to get sick and tired of dealing with this rabid community and move their attentions elsewhere?
Seriously, it's no wonder that this community has pretty much been abandoned by anyone willing to invest real time, effort, and most importantly, money into any forward-looking venture.
Just to seem redundant, if not to push my point, this is EXACTLY why I told Bill not to even bother with posting it here when he let me in on their ideas and plans.
Time to face facts guys.
Unless you're willing to be openly shafted by hobbyists trying to get your hard-earned money for antiquated toys (and oh boy I wish I cared enough to rip you all off -- erm, I mean develop said toys), the Antiquated Amiga (as most of you seem desperate to continually define it) is dead.
Much like dog years, in computer terms, the Commodore Amiga platform is roughly 97 years old, having been forced to retire when Commodore died at age 70.
Sure, there are some old boxes that refuse to die, but time isn't on their side, and let's face it, unless you're one of those people who have dozens of Amigas in your garage, when yours dies, there's probably a 99.9% chance that you'll just move on to a real computer.
I don't intend to slight those of you who like hanging out with your grandparents (or in this case, their computer) but damn. I mean.. damn..
While I wish there were something more "Amiga" about an Android tablet, and even though I already own a far superior iPad, even *I* think that the move towards supporting Android is the right way to go for Amiga Inc.
Especially if they can eventually work to bring something new to the table and maybe even provide something unique for it, like a developer program, and (God forbid) community for it.
The way I see it, you can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution, and hell, even I'll probably toss in to buy an Amiga Android tablet, if for no other reason than to get in on the ground floor of developing for it.
It'll be cheap enough.
Are you so afraid of Amiga Inc actually producing anything that you're willing to suffer through getting nothing at all, or even worse, actively trying to destroy any chance they have of succeeding?
Really?
Wayne
What a load of rubbish you spout, Amiga Inc could have made an FPGA machine like Minimig years ago, and even made Amiga-in-a-joystick like the C64DTV and then there are other non PPC based 060 beating machines to come. You just come out of a coma?
I'm glad you sold this site, you don't even know the difference between generic hardware+software emulator and even basic Amiga compatible OS (ie AROS) on generic non PPC machines. Very sad, I can only suspect site is now owned by A Inc or a close supporter of them reading your drivel.
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Ok but installing Linux on it with red color and an Amiga desktoppicture and UAE and it would have been on half the way to be accepted by you, right :)
For the Commodore Amiga series, I really don't know what OS is going to be the base for it. I have FC14 installed on two systems, I don't need another Linux distro, TBH. OTOH, had GW done the Neutrino or Linux Kernel as the base for WB4, I would have been VERY happy. I was apart of the Phinixi (as a beta tester) and was receiving QNX 6 updates in the mail from QSSL, and I was very impressed in what I used.
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Is it going to be better quality than the PC I already have for an equivalent price?
Somehow, I strongly doubt it.
I will have to consult my Magic 8 Ball since I have no idea on what you are using or if it's home built vs factory built. I know who he is having the work done in China, he is a very lucky man with many deep connections. To give you an example of the quality Barry is expecting, he is a solid Apple guy. Take that as you will.
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I will have to consult my Magic 8 Ball since I have no idea on what you are using or if it's home built vs factory built. I know who he is having the work done in China, he is a very lucky man with many deep connections. To give you an example of the quality Barry is expecting, he is a solid Apple guy. Take that as you will.
Are you a member of his lodge yet Randy?
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I will have to consult my Magic 8 Ball since I have no idea on what you are using or if it's home built vs factory built. I know who he is having the work done in China, he is a very lucky man with many deep connections. To give you an example of the quality Barry is expecting, he is a solid Apple guy. Take that as you will.
Well, it's a home build with some (at the time) carefully selected parts - was being a bit of a snob.
In reality, if the stuff is as well-built as some of apple's desktop kit then fair play. However, looking at the website, the products listed at the moment don't give me that impression.
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Anyone else notice the parallels between the CUSA fanboys and the old Bouma brigade?
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I can only suspect site is now owned by A Inc or a close supporter of them reading your drivel.
Then you sir, are an idiot. :)
I have no horse in this race. I stick around here simply because I've been here since day one. Erm, scratch that. BEFORE day zero, back when Amiga.org was just a dream and all we had was the single-line NASAU Beach BBS.. I *used* to be one of the aforementioned Amiga zealots, then I grew up and realized that there would never be anything new and moved on. I'm NOT trying to suggest immaturity on the part of anyone who still loves the Amiga, I just don't get it any more. Nothing (IMHO) wrong with that.
I'm a self-professed "Apple Fanboy" now for a lot of reasons. The first and foremost being that they're hella good machines that I don't have to stress and dinker with to get to work.
The current iMac on my desk is very much what Amiga SHOULD HAVE become, and even could have if only people had listened 11 years ago.
Real plug and play. You plug something into the mac. If it doesn't work, 99.9% chance it's broke. a 27" backlit monitor, 3.06 ghz speed, and I mean REAL speed, as opposed to "hampered by Windows speed" and an excellent software base as well as community.
If anything, I'm just frustrated by the legions of missed opportunities to wash away the stink that is the "classic" since the Gateway days, and it frustrates me to see the blindly devoted "Amiga" worshipers happily trash anything that doesn't run classic (not to mention 20-year-old) (cr)apps.
Look. I know that most of you think futzing with the Amigas is fun. If I offend anyone with my tirades, I apologize, and yes, I may be an idiot to most of you, but at least you can't accuse me of not being honest with how I feel about it.
Do I think that Amiga-branded chinese knockoff Android tablets are the best idea ever? Nope. Unlike most people here though, I am however willing to sit back and watch AI try to run with it and see if they can actually do anything unique before I start trashing them for their efforts.
Wayne
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"If anything, I'm just frustrated by the legions of missed opportunities to wash away the stink that is the "classic" since the Gateway days, and it frustrates me to see the blindly devoted "Amiga" worshipers happily trash anything that doesn't run classic (not to mention 20-year-old) (cr)apps.
Look. I know that most of you think futzing with the Amigas is fun. If I offend anyone with my tirades, I apologize, and yes, I may be an idiot to most of you, but at least you can't accuse me of not being honest with how I feel about it. "
Way to go Wayne.The missed opportunities ARE the most painful part of Amiga.
And even more painful is seeing something like the computer you're using and realizing that we should have done at least that well (or better).
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To be fair "made in china" can mean anything for absolute cr@p to top of the line. They cover it all. Foxconn (the makers of iPad) may be Taiwanese but all their factories are in China....
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To be fair "made in china" can mean anything for absolute cr@p to top of the line. They cover it all. Foxconn (the makers of iPad) may be Taiwanese but all their factories are in China....
And their workers are suicidal. Frankly, I feel that there's been a drop in quality since everyone (including the Taiwanese) switched to Chinese production.
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.....Do I think that Amiga-branded chinese knockoff Android tablets are the best idea ever? Nope. Unlike most people here though, I am however willing to sit back and watch AI try to run with it and see if they can actually do anything unique before I start trashing them for their efforts.
Wayne
based on their past ..cough cough..Amiga projects I strongly doubt anything 'unique' will come of this (at least on AI's end as CUSA at a minimum made a cool looking retro case).
Sadly AI is just trying (yet again) to sheyster a few bucks off some poor souls that fondly remember the Amiga name:(
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And their workers are suicidal. Frankly, I feel that there's been a drop in quality since everyone (including the Taiwanese) switched to Chinese production.
The suicide thing was a lot of hot air. The rate of suicides among their employees does not exceed that of the general population.
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This is just another android tablet clone, $150 NZD, and an Amiga theme for it ;-)
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The current iMac on my desk is very much what Amiga SHOULD HAVE become, and even could have if only people had listened 11 years ago.
Real plug and play. You plug something into the mac. If it doesn't work, 99.9% chance it's broke. a 27" backlit monitor, 3.06 ghz speed, and I mean REAL speed, as opposed to "hampered by Windows speed" and an excellent software base as well as community.
So you do realise that windows 7 is as fast if not faster than the snow leopard.
As for the "real plug and play" i have noticed no difference between Windows 7 and snow leopard. Can you provide examples?
But i do agree Apple do make great desktops and i really enjoy using them. The imacs have the best construction i can think of in a computer :)
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Windows 7 is a really good OS, fast, stable and can find 98% of hardware out there. Windows update actually works and installs drivers with no problems.
Only hardware that wont work is really old legacy stuff, but then if you are still trying to use 10 year old gear on a PC you're crazy (sounds strange coming from an Amiga user ;-)).
If you must have XP it has an XP mode (virtual machine basically) works 100%.
Vista was a dog, I beta tested that for a corp enviroment for awhile. So many issues, it was basically a Windows ME.
Windows XP is fine, running that at work in a military environment with no issues. Although hardware companies will slowly drop support for XP. Which is as it should be. The OS has reached it's EOL.
Android is a good OS, it's starting to really evolve. OSX is okay, but I found it limiting and it's no good in a corp world. Great for home use however, although the limiting factor there is gaming.
Ubuntu is also good, although some games I have wont run under it. Other than that it makes a good OS at home. Although no good for work at this point in time.
We need to run a stable, supported OS on base as you can imagine if it went wrong it could be a bag of giggles when a ship takes out a friendly ;-)
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If you must have XP it has an XP mode (virtual machine basically) works 100%.
Really? tell me where i want to try it!
I really like windows 7. It leave everything else in its wake :)
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Multiple excellent posts
You, good Sir, made a perfect summary of what's wrong with the Amiga community today.
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Really? tell me where i want to try it!
I really like windows 7. It leave everything else in its wake :)
Just type in XP mode into the internet. Its basically a free copy of xp running under VM. Now even works if your CPu does not support hardware virtualisation. I think you need at least home premium version and up of windows 7
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Yes. Let's burn Wayne at the stake as a Amigan sacrifice.
The outcome can only be good right?
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Cheap as in affordable hardware or cheap as in low quality? Yes, it's going to be affordable hardware and not some sky high PPC pricing. If you are saying it's low quality hardware, back up that claim. We do not know exactly which specific CPUs nor what the new OS will be based on for the new Commodore Amigas.
Since everything else on the CUSA website seems to be just crappy all-in-one low quality PCs from no-name companies with a Commodore badge on them, I'd say it's a safe bet it will be low quality too.
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Why not slap Amiga stickers on iPads and sell them with, say ... 30% profit?
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Yes. Let's burn Wayne at the stake as a Amigan sacrifice.
The outcome can only be good right?
Romans 3:8
let us do evil, that there may come good? whose damnation is just.
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Wow! It took me a whole 30 seconds to figure out they weren't made by Apple (the screen size gave it away). But if they are any good i might buy one :)
Yes, that's the impression I got too. So what are they?
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Well they are not touch tablets that are going to run MorphOS or Amiga OS natively....
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Looks like one of the many cheap chinese android tablets.
Just like this one:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-2-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-tf-arm-v5-349-79mhz-70053
I have one of these and they are absolute garbage. Touchscreen is horrible (unusable), and the whole system is brutally slow and underpowered.
If it doesn't have a capacitive touchscreen, you can bet they pinched pennies elsewhere also.
This "Amiga" one looks strikingly similar to the one I linked.
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wow this is a long thread.
Okay first off I am an Amiga Zealot. Loved Amiga since I saw one back when I had a Commodore 128 and my friend had a 1000. Got a 500, then 2000HD upgraded like a nutcase with 020, 030 cards, IDE controllers, Framebuffers, Bridgeboard from 286 to 386, Video card-ish things (HAM-E, DCTV, Opalvision), RAM. It is a 2000 that can run 3.9, burn CDs, all I had to do at that time.
Then a 1200, and now a 4000 again not one Amiga doesn't have something added to it and I finally got and have tricked out a 1000 with RAM and an EasyL tablet, audio samplers.
That all said I can understand Wayne's position. Why does anything anyone does with the Amiga or C= brand automatically seem to develop page after page of negativity?
Amiga branded Android tablets, and middling of the road tablets, doesn't excite me. That also is not the only product that CUSA is planning on releasing. Can they have made a Minimig or Natami? Sure. But it seems to me that they want to have an actual cash flow with product that appeals to more than just this community so they can pay rent, salary and develop new products.
They have a bunch of rebrands, yes. They also have a developed product of a PC in a designed from the ground up case to look like the C=64. Is it the be all and end all? Nope. But I think its pretty damn cool and inventive. A product that could appeal to both classic aficionados and regular people since it could be used as a nice, small, modern PC running modern software.
Real Amiga product is way misguided IMHO. I even as an Amiga Zealot can't justify spending $800 ish money on a motherboard to run AmigaOS4.x while the MorphOS people manage to get their OS able to run on a Mac Mini I can buy for ~$100 to 200 or Power Mac and might eventually run on some laptops.
Why are some so positive about hardware emulation of a $20 Amiga 500 at over $200 for the completed board (IIRC and yes I do know it does some more like being able to connect to modern displays and using SD instead of failing floppy drives to read failing floppies, it is good that folks are finding ways to get the feel of the old machines in peoples hands in lieu of failing and increasingly hard to come by hardware antiques) and so negative about what CUSA is doing? There is room out there in the community for both.
Some point when I'm in the market for a tablet, I'll be looking seriously at the offerings and if price and features are right would not mind having one in my hand with a logo I recall fondly. I also will definitely have their C=64 remake on my desk.
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and yea I kind of left out, I think just about everyone here is disappointed Commodore went under with such a good product.
Sat on the same chipset way too long. Cancelled projects that would have developed better Amigas (as well as Commodores, like the LCD) faster and kept it competitive longer. We could have had actual Commodore Power PC Amigas with PCI and eventually they might have decided as Apple did to move to Intel.
Disappointed that Escom went under without doing anything of note.
Disappointed that Gateway did nothing but sit and spin unlike HP with WebOS who seem inclined to actually support and produce with their investment.
Some folks, however, should stop channeling this disappointment into negativity and if negative, stop being so public about it to the point where we drive everyone from the market.
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After reading this thread I really want to buy one of these things and even if it's a piece of crap or FedEx crushes it to powder in transit I'm gonna come back and yell about how great it is just to rile up the zealots.
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Why are some so positive about hardware emulation of a $20 Amiga 500 at over $200 for the completed board (IIRC and yes I do know it does some more like being able to connect to modern displays and using SD instead of failing floppy drives to read failing floppies, it is good that folks are finding ways to get the feel of the old machines in peoples hands in lieu of failing and increasingly hard to come by hardware antiques)
The FPGAArcade can recreate more than just an A500, I take it you missed the AGA developments. Worth taking another look.
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......Sat on the same chipset way too long. Cancelled projects that would have developed better Amigas (as well as Commodores, like the LCD) faster and kept it competitive longer. We could have had actual Commodore Power PC Amigas with PCI and eventually they might have decided as Apple did to move to Intel.
Disappointed that Escom went under without doing anything of note.
Disappointed that Gateway did nothing but sit and spin unlike HP with WebOS who seem inclined to actually support and produce with their investment.
Some folks, however, should stop channeling this disappointment into negativity and if negative, stop being so public about it to the point where we drive everyone from the market.
Ur depressing me all over again. 15 years of and thousands of $ in counciling gone in one post....!
-moderated- -moderated- -moderated-..!
BTW: I, and I think a lot of others, have no problem with what they are doing as long as it's transparent and not misleading. "Amiga Branded" would be a good truthful term to use. (Truth in marketing?)
Getting over this thread now, ever since one of my posts was copied verbatim into moobunny without credit.. ):
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The FpgaArcade is a great project but does it have to rule out any other projects?
I'm interested in this tablet. If it have android I will run UAE4droid on it to complete the transubstantiation. Will follow the developments.
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You can buy it now from merimobiles.com, chinagrabber.com , alibaba.com, pricedinchina.com, etc, etc etc.
Why wait?
The FpgaArcade is a great project but does it have to rule out any other projects?
I'm interested in this tablet. If it have android I will run UAE4droid on it to complete the transubstantiation. Will follow the developments.
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You can buy it now from merimobiles.com, chinagrabber.com , alibaba.com, pricedinchina.com, etc, etc etc.
Why wait?
And you can get the stickers from commodorescotland.com.. :)
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@Persia
I'll wait because these guys are trying to resurrect the brand, and they are just starting. Personally I’m most curious about the design and the commodore OS. Yoz seem very talented and it will be interesting to see the adaptions and evolutions from the original ideas.
Ubuntu is a very good OS in it self and bending it toward the Amiga I find very interesting also, and a different take from the other Amiga OS's evolutions. I keep an open mind. I have two classics, poke around with emulation and this Commodore endeavor is very interesting to follow. It does not in any way interfere with the other Amiga interests.