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How many planets?
« on: August 16, 2006, 01:22:17 PM »
According to the new draft definition, by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), two conditions must be satisfied for an object to be called a "planet." First, the object must be in orbit around a star, while not being itself a star. Second, the object must be large enough (or more technically correct, massive enough) for its own gravity to pull it into a nearly spherical shape. The shape of objects with mass above 5 x 10^20 kg and diameter greater than 800 km would normally be determined by self-gravity, but all borderline cases would have to be established by observation.

If the proposed Resolution is passed, there will be 12 planets in our Solar System;  Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Charon and 2003 UB313 (aka Xena). The name 2003 UB313 is provisional, as a "real" name has not yet been assigned to this object. A decision and announcement of a new name are likely not to be made during the IAU General Assembly in Prague, but at a later time. The naming procedures depend on the outcome of the Resolution vote. There will most likely be more planets announced by the IAU in the future. Currently a dozen "candidate planets" are listed on IAU's "watchlist" which keeps changing as new objects are found and the physics of the existing candidates becomes better known.

The draft "Planet Definition" Resolution will be discussed and refined during the General Assembly and then it (plus four other Resolutions) will be presented for voting at the 2nd session of the GA 24 August between 14:00 and 17:30 CEST.

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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 04:01:50 PM »
yeah, I read this the other day. I guess Pluto will finally gets it's "wings' and no longer be an orphan. maybe we should celebrate!  :cheers:
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2006, 04:57:21 PM »
I thought Charon was Pluto's satellite?
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2006, 05:02:26 PM »
It was.  Maybe it was "upgraded" to a planet.
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2006, 05:18:29 PM »
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I thought Charon was Pluto's satellite?
maybe they had a falling out?














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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2006, 07:46:17 PM »
I like this definition a lot. It's elegant, scientifically sound, and becomes only questionable in the case of small rocky objects which are by accident round or dense enough to become (nearly) spherical. It will take a while for me to call Ceres a planet (being used to the familiar chant Mercury-Venus-Earth-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn-Uranus-Neptune-Pluto), but I like it nonetheless.
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006, 07:57:28 PM »
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being used to the familiar chant Mercury-Venus-Earth-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn-Uranus-Neptune-Pluto

I thought it was:

Mercury-Venus-Earth-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn-Uranus*snigger*-Neptune-Pluto

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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 08:29:44 PM »
Not if your native language is Dutch.
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006, 08:47:16 PM »
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Karlos wrote:
I thought Charon was Pluto's satellite?


If this proposal goes ahead, they will probably become binary planets.

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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 09:22:24 PM »
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Karlos wrote:
I thought Charon was Pluto's satellite?


If this proposal goes ahead, they will probably become binary planets.


Ok, so what about our moon? Not to mention those of the gas giants?
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 10:49:47 PM »
Hum,
our moon (under the new rules) would sill be a moon, because the centre of its orbit lies within the Earth. This would be the same as the gas giants moons.

Pluto - Charon  centre of gravity is in the space between them, so they become a binary/double planet.

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A relatively simple analysis show that there are currently 53 known objects in the solar system which are likely round. Another few hundred will likely be discovered in the relatively near future. Regardless of what the official count is from the IAU proposal these object all fit the scientific definition of the word planet and if the scientific definition is to have any credibility they should all generally be considered planets.


 Mike Brown discoverer of the planet Xena has written a nice webpage  that outlines a few points.


Incidentally, with the introduction of new planets we also have to  also expand the zodiac. The planet Ceres this week is in the constellation Piscis Australis at about magnitude of 7.62 (at close approach).

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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 08:42:34 AM »
Mike Brown wants to have his cake and eat it too. He likes the science, but abhors the bureacracy which the definition would entail. Make up your mind, will you?
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2006, 10:20:25 AM »
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Hum,
our moon (under the new rules) would sill be a moon, because the centre of its orbit lies within the Earth. This would be the same as the gas giants moons.

Pluto - Charon  centre of gravity is in the space between them, so they become a binary/double planet.



Ah, so the mass/size/dimension alone are not sufficient for planet labelling, it depends also on where the barycentre lies. Makes sense I suppose.
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2006, 01:00:49 PM »
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Incidentally, with the introduction of new planets we also have to also expand the zodiac. The planet Ceres this week is in the constellation Piscis Australis at about magnitude of 7.62 (at close approach).


its all bollocks any way but wouldnt that mean that all the previous predictions were incorrect?
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Re: How many planets?
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2006, 01:51:48 PM »
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Incidentally, with the introduction of new planets we also have to also expand the zodiac. The planet Ceres this week is in the constellation Piscis Australis at about magnitude of 7.62 (at close approach).


its all bollocks any way but wouldnt that mean that all the previous predictions were incorrect?


They probably had to rejig it all anyway when pluto was discovered ;-)
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