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Offline Cymric

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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2005, 10:28:09 AM »
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Edit: there are at least 2 versions, the one I am referring to is this one.

Ah, I know that one, of course ;-). (I have a terrible memory for names of songs, but usually I can say with pinpoint accuracy on which CD it is, and at what index  :crazy: ) However, I still say that 'Also Sprach Zarathustra' is better suited for the launch of Sputnik.
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2005, 03:14:40 PM »
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Well, when I was at university studying physics, it became obvious that in the earlier part of the 1900s, Germany was THE centre of science.

Max Born, Einstein, Gerlach, Geiger, Heisenberg, Hertz, Max von Laue, Lenard, Planck. Oh and not forgetting Roentgen....there must be loads more that I forget.

Quantum Mechanics was basically born in Germany



Anyone else find it ironic that the uncertainty principle was thought up by a German? :-D

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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2005, 07:26:06 PM »
@ Cymric

Ja, that is good, no doubt about it. Did they use it for 2001 or 2010?
 

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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2005, 08:26:54 PM »
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bloodline wrote:

Anyone else find it ironic that the uncertainty principle was thought up by a German? :-D


I used to, but now that I look at it more closely, I'm not so sure :-P
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2005, 08:47:44 PM »
:lol:

>> "...Hmph. It doesn't fit!..."

SRY:
Correction it should have been
[color=ff00ff]<Russian anthem, fading into the Pet Shop Boys `Go West`>[/color]

DA - da da da - daa
DA - da da da - daaa
DA - da da da - daa
G ooo west...go west

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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2005, 01:34:42 AM »
The opening of 2001 is Also Sprach Zarathustra, Blaue Donau was used in the famous docking scene.

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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2005, 09:36:20 PM »
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This day, 48 years ago the Russians launched the first artificial satellite from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan which demonstrated the technological superiority of Communism…

The launch of Sputnik in 1957 marked the start of the space age.




How America Chose Not to Beat Sputnik Into Space
By T. A. Heppenheimer


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By being allowed to be first into space with Sputnik and overflying the United States without protest, the Soviets had established the principle of freedom of space travel overflight.


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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2005, 12:26:14 AM »
Hum,
While it is possible that there could have been some sort of secret agenda, to either destabilise the American government, increase military funding or as you say to get over flight permission; I would tend just to believe that the Americans just didn’t realise how advanced the Russians rocket designs had progressed, and their reliance on using bombers to deliver the hydrogen bomb.

After all, the purpose of getting into orbit was the deliver of a weapon.



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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2005, 01:06:20 AM »
@metalman

Is it so hard for you to believe that a rival you were in fierce competition with simply had the technological upper hand for a while?
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2005, 01:26:30 AM »
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After all, the purpose of getting into orbit was the deliver of a weapon.


or orbit a space-based reconnaissance system.

In secret the US built and deployed Corona, a space-based reconnaissance system. In 1961 its flights revealed that Soviet missile capabilities were much less than had been thought only a year earlier. Subsequent flights provided detailed maps of the U.S.S.R.’s submarine bases, anti-aircraft batteries, and tank deployments.
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2005, 02:46:12 AM »
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@metalman

Is it so hard for you to believe that a rival you were in fierce competition with simply had the technological upper hand for a while?


Summary of the article:


How America Chose Not to Beat Sputnik Into Space
By T. A. Heppenheimer


The Soviet launch of Sputnik was a surprise, and they had a early lead in payload launch.

The  U.S. decided to hold back on firing of the fourth stage of a Jupiter-C military rocket in 1956, The US wanted to establish the legal right to conduct satellite overflights as a matter of international law.

Launching a Vanguard rocket with a scientific mission, which was based on rockets that had been designed and built for scientific research, was the launch to establish the predicent, however the Soviets launched Sputnik, Oct 4th 1957.  

On November 3, the Soviets launched Sputnik 2. Weighing more than half a ton, it was six times as heavy as Sputnik 1, and it carried a dog named Laika as a passenger. Sputnik 2 foreshadowed the orbiting of a man. Suddenly the public became worried.

On December 6 the Vanguard rocket crashed on the launch pad, disintegrating into an enormous fireball.

On January 31, 1958, just 84 days after receiving go-ahead, the four stage Jupiter-C rocket that could have flown in 1956, placed Explorer 1 in orbit as the first American satellite.

The Soviets got to spend a few years exulting in the “missile gap.” and demonstrating showy space firsts, the US quietly built a mlitary space-based reconnaissance system to monitor the Soviets.

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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2005, 01:49:12 PM »
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The  U.S. decided to hold back on firing of the fourth stage of a Jupiter-C military rocket in 1956, The US wanted to establish the legal right to conduct satellite overflights as a matter of international law.


Suuure. Like caring about international law was always of prime concern in cold war politics :roll:
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2005, 08:48:23 PM »
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Suuure. Like caring about international law was always of prime concern in cold war politics :roll:



No such right exists for aircraft; the Soviets were free to shoot down anything that flew over their territory. And they exercised this right, most famously with Francis Gary Powers’s U-2 spy plane in 1960. But the question of overflight in space was open.
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2005, 08:54:30 PM »
@metalman

The fact that a U2 was shot down proves that the US didn't actually care about the fact it shouldn't fly over soviet airspace. Which is why the argument that the US allowed russia to be first whilst they sought the legal means to establish exo atmospheric flyovers is clearly rubbish.
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2005, 12:52:47 AM »
@Karlos

Read the article!
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Re: Sputnik
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 10, 2005, 10:54:35 AM »
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Read the article!

Do you mean this one?:

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