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New solar object
« on: July 29, 2005, 04:03:20 PM »
Amateur Astronomers have seemingly found a very large Trans Neptunian object while checking out some images from an old survey.
The icy object, designated 2003 EL61, is at least 1,500km across, though it may turn out to be larger than Pluto, which is 2,274km across.
It orbits just beyond the orbit of  Pluto, but not beyond the range of our sensors...

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Re: New solar object
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2005, 04:24:19 PM »
@ Blobzie

No 'Hum' today?  :-P
 

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Re: New solar object
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2005, 05:50:07 PM »
Hum,
I was in a rush,
Just got back from shopping,
and found that the news had already been picked up by the mass websites,
(I heard about it yesterday from a general email post from the discoverer on another forum),
and was too busy running around keeping my finger on the pulse...

So didn’t have time for a considered and balanced post…

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Re: And another
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2005, 02:10:07 AM »
Hum,
How weird is this,
You wait around for ages and two come at the same time…

Dr. Michael Brown, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, California, presented his discovery and major findings of another distant object orbiting the Sun, at a press media teleconference.

With the current temporary name 2003UB313, the KBO was discovered by the Palomar Observatory's Samuel Oschin telescope.
They have proposed a name ([lila) to the IAU and will announce it when that name is accepted.

And it is huge - bigger than Pluto!!!

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Re: New solar object
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2005, 03:30:56 AM »
Perhaps they should called it Xena (more popular).
PLUTO is named after "Percival Lovell" and "Clyde Tombaugh".

The debate on the new planets:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050729_new_planet.html

2003UB313 have unusual orbit:

From ABC.NET.AU:

However, Dr Brown conceded that the discovery would likely rekindle debate over the definition of a 'planet' and whether Pluto should still be regarded as one.
Dr Brown says the new object was detected in January by the Samuel Oschin Telescope at the Palomar Observatory near San Diego. He says the planet went undiscovered for so long because its orbit is tilted at a 45-degree angle to the orbital plane of the other planets. Dr Brown says the team has a name in mind for the planet but wants to formally propose it before releasing it to the public.
Officially, the new planet is known as 2003UB313, though the New York Times reports that astronomers have been calling it Xena, after the television character named for a Greek warrior princess. On his website, Dr Brown writes that the new planet is at least as large as Pluto.
"Usually when we find these we don't know their size for certain, only lower limits," he wrote.
"The lower limit to this object is the size of Pluto. This object is at least the size of Pluto and likely a bit larger."
 

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Re: New solar object
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2005, 04:42:57 AM »
Cool,
Xena sounds good...
Perhaps the other one could be called Conan...

BTW, the word on the street is that lila is the name of Mike Brown's newborn daughter...





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Re: New solar object
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2005, 08:50:55 AM »
w00t!

But haven't it beed assumed that there are bodies larger than Pluto out there? I remember something about distortions in Neptune's orbit.
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Re: New solar object
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2005, 07:09:17 PM »
Hum,
Indeed. And that was the reason that Dr. Clyde Tombaugh searched for, and found Pluto…
But it turned out that the planet was too small to account for the distortions…
So it was reasoned that there may exist perhaps 1000 more Pluto sized objects out there; with a few that may approach the size of Mars - as well as millions and millions of smaller planetesimals that orbit in the far reaches of the solar system…

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Re: New solar object
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2005, 05:49:03 PM »
IIRC, the pluto that was discovered was a fluke whilst looking for a larger body that would have sufficient mass that would account for the pertubations observed in Neptune's orbit.

I think the first time it was photographed, it fell on a flaw in the plate and was missed :-)

Supposedly, then, the real 'pluto' remains to be discovered. Given the non-linear increase in orbital distance of the planets, I expect it would have to be quite large to still exert an effect on neptune at such a distance.

I don't think xena qualifies...
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Re: New solar object
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2005, 08:35:38 PM »
Mm...The Sunday Mirror picked this up and yesterday printed a small piece entitled, 'Sedna, another world'.

Nothing like being on the button eh?

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Re: New solar object
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2005, 11:10:04 PM »
I don;t think sedna qualifies either. At the distances we are talking about, you'd need an neptune class planet or larger to exert the effects seen on neptune.

Or something very small and dense...
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Re: New solar object
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2005, 02:23:54 PM »
Like a black hole, you mean.
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Re: New solar object
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2005, 03:30:14 PM »
I think a black hole would be a bit obvious if it were in such proximity. There'd be x-ray bursts everytime it scavenged any material unfortunate enough to get too close.

I'm only musing, of course; astronomy is a side interest of mine. I'm sure Blobrana can come up with far more interesting and accurate possibilities :-)
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Re: New solar object
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2005, 09:03:03 PM »
Hum,
Yeah, well many ppl have speculated that the solar system contains undiscovered massive planets or a distant stellar companion.
But, by using high-precision timing of pulsars (millisecond pulsars, pulsars in binary systems and pulsating white dwarfs), astronomers now know what the solar barycentre is doing with respect to the rest of the cosmos.
(The acceleration of the solar system barycentre can constrain the mass and position of the putative companion.)
No evidence for non-zero acceleration has been found;
it is not being pulled around by a massive Planet X , blackhole or darksun etc…

So there is nothing out there within worrying distance.

Er, until we pass closeby a few stars over the nest 45,000 years to 2 million years time...(there is a chance we may pick up an alien planet)