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Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2005, 11:00:26 PM »
see, the professor was right, people don't understand Exponentials.
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Offline T_Bone

Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2005, 12:52:21 AM »
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cecilia wrote:
see, the professor was right, people don't understand Exponentials.


Only growth is exponential, not death. Death doesn't care how big your population is, it will completely die in 70+odd years.

Regardless of the population, it can be *0* in 70 years. There's no exponents involved in the death rate.

I don't know why people are so afraid of population growth, when it's probably the only factor that's completely under our control.



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Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2005, 01:11:26 AM »
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it can be managed down to not only zero population growth literally overninght, but zero *population* in 70odd years.


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Offline T_Bone

Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2005, 01:17:09 AM »
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mdma wrote:
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it can be managed down to not only zero population growth literally overninght, but zero *population* in 70odd years.


The final solution?


Damnit, I posted over that whole post, hit edit instead of reply.
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Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2005, 01:27:09 AM »
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T_Bone wrote:
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mdma wrote:
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it can be managed down to not only zero population growth literally overninght, but zero *population* in 70odd years.


The final solution?


Damnit, I posted over that whole post, hit edit instead of reply.


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Offline FluffyMcDeath

Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2005, 06:10:32 AM »
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T_Bone wrote:
I'm not worried about overpopulation, the ceiling, which we'll someday hit, will solve it eventually. Plus, no matter how populated the planet gets, it can be corrected quickly.


It's the difference between leaping out of a high flying airplane with a bag of rocks or with a parachute. Either way you're gonna get to the ground.
 

Offline T_Bone

Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2005, 06:30:55 PM »
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FluffyMcDeath wrote:
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T_Bone wrote:
I'm not worried about overpopulation, the ceiling, which we'll someday hit, will solve it eventually. Plus, no matter how populated the planet gets, it can be corrected quickly.


It's the difference between leaping out of a high flying airplane with a bag of rocks or with a parachute. Either way you're gonna get to the ground.


How is it different? The correction (death) rate is a constant. Unless you're trying to figure out a way to make people die faster, overpopulation will take the same actions and ammount of time to solve, regardless of the population, weather it's 1 or infinity, the cycle stops around 70 years.

Unless you feel people won't listen to a decree limiting reproduction, but in that case, nothing would matter anyway and we're doomed to hit that ceiling regardless what we do and who in this thread gets to be king during that time.




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Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2005, 07:12:29 PM »
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T_Bone wrote:

It's the difference between leaping out of a high flying airplane with a bag of rocks or with a parachute. Either way you're gonna get to the ground.


How is it different? The correction (death) rate is a constant. Unless you're trying to figure out a way to make people die faster, overpopulation will take the same actions and ammount of time to solve, regardless of the population, weather it's 1 or infinity, the cycle stops around 70 years.

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The diffenerce is in getting to 0 growth on our terms or on natures terms. Both jumpers always reach the ground but the one with the controlled descent has a better chance of survival.

There is a sustainable population level and then there is population that we can support on a short term basis. The further we overshoot the sustainable level the more precipitous will be the collapse.

That is, if we consume the resources at a non-sustainable rate now then the lack of resources is what will cause the deathrate to climb and population levels will fall to the level of the resource left which may be very small.

If we moderate the resource use now we will have more survivors when the crunch comes.

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Offline Speelgoedmannetje

Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2005, 02:24:02 AM »
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T_Bone wrote:
The correction (death) rate is a constant. Unless you're trying to figure out a way to make people die faster,
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Offline T_Bone

Re: Here it is in simple math
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2005, 12:37:44 AM »
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
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T_Bone wrote:
The correction (death) rate is a constant. Unless you're trying to figure out a way to make people die faster,
Abortion, euthenasia, encouragement of non-fertile relationships, etcetera, etcetera

:-P :-P :-P


I take it all back, the left IS doing something for the worlds problems. :-P
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