Hmm, I forgot to clock it, but I would estimate my A1 boots into kdm (not kde, just to the login window in kdm. I don't have kde installed, because it takes so long to log in) in about 30 seconds. That's a linux file server setup with X. I somehow expect AOS4 to remove at least 15 of those seconds due to lack of X ;-) (X is almost as slow at starting up on the A1/Radeon 7500 as it is on the P4/Matrox G550. Almost). Logging in with afterstep takes about 3 seconds.