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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« on: September 05, 2015, 08:12:03 PM »
Nice!  So this is basically the same as your regular Boing Ball mouse, only with a direct 9-pin connector, so I could use one without my current daisy-chain of mouse-to-USB-to-PS/2-adapter-to-Cocolino-to-Amiga?

Good deal, I'll take three of them as soon as they're available in black.  ;)
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2015, 05:09:22 AM »
Quote from: QuikSanz;795061
Now if we could get a well made analog Joystick I'm set.

You didn't like the Arcade Evolution?  I always preferred actual "joysticks" (i.e., pistol-grip style like the TAC30), but it's not bad.  I've used my AE a bit and haven't broken it yet.  ;)
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2015, 07:24:04 AM »
Quote from: Leffmann;795098
I see it's a 1000 DPI mouse, but does the adapter scale the DPI down, or will I get a pointer 4-5 times the speed of the older Amiga mice?

It's not a problem in Workbench, but games usually just assume you're using the original 200 or so DPI mouse.

This version works just fine for playing games.  Was playing Lemmings against my girl with it just earlier today.  She hates that I keep beating her though, but I guess you could say I've been practicing since about 1990 or so, LOL.  ;)

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=981
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2015, 04:48:02 PM »
Quote from: Thorham;795233
Nice, but does the scroll wheel work in the same way as with the Cocolino mouse adapter? I sure hope not...

Eh?  I use Freewheel, it works fine.  100% usable, surprising how many programs recognize the scroll wheel.  Granted I'm using the USB version (through a Cocolino) so can't speak for this 9-pin version, but I'm assuming they're pretty much the same (except for the interface).  ;)

Edit:  I'm sure some people will hate it.  But some people just like to complain about anything.  :p
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 05:53:01 PM »
Quote from: Thorham;795248
Cocolino uses a trick to enable use of the mouse wheel and this messes with the normal mouse movement. It sucks, and is a legitimate complaint. I won't ever buy anything that works in a similar way. Basically, original ball mice work better :(

I own two of them and I use them with my Amiga's almost every day.  I honestly have no idea what you're talking about!  Maybe you just got a defective one?

[Insert joke about "my balls are collecting dust" here]  :p
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 07:28:53 PM »
Quote from: Thorham;795253
The movement doesn't seem off somehow? I find that very hard to believe.

Only if I haven't had my coffee yet for the day and my hand shakes.  ;)

Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 09:28:02 AM »
Quote from: Thorham;795264
Moving the mouse in a circle shape very slowly will result in the mouse pointer moving in a rectangular fashion.

@Thorham -

I tried really hard to test what you're saying here.  Spent 10 minutes drawing circles on two different Amiga's using four different controllers (a "Boing logo" USB mouse, a generic PS/2 mouse, a trackball, and a clunky-old ball mouse).

Everything was silky smooth on my A2000, with the exception of the classic trackball, which actually felt like it made the most "square-like" circles.  On the A500, the ball mouse did seem to make the most "circle-ish" circles, like what you're saying, but in no case were any of these devices some horrible nightmare to use, like what it sounded like you were trying to say.  Of course the ball mouse is also 1/5th the DPI so it's easier to make small motions (and less sensitive to shaky hands), but I hated how slow it felt otherwise (and also when the buttons stuck... old clunker, haha).

In hindsight, my testing was flawed because I didn't compare a direct USB connection to USB-through-Cocolino (I could have done this, my A2000 has a RapidRoad).  I also should've tried a different mousepad, those Amiga.org logo pads are a bit slippery, and probably all the colors and patterns aren't the best things to use with an optical mouse.  ;)

In any case, I think I could count on one hand (with four fingers left over) the number of times I've tried to draw circles with a mouse.  That's what drawing tablets are for.  ;)  Maybe if I'm really bored tomorrow I'll try with a "less colorful" mouse pad, and with a straight USB connection.

TL;DR.  I don't want to deal with a clunky old slow ball mouse, so even with their imperfections I'll continue to use "modern" mice and Cocolino's on my Miggy's.   To each their own.  Cheers, now enjoy a 10 minute video of me drawing circles!  :)

https://youtu.be/w0wHegf7XLY
« Last Edit: September 09, 2015, 09:41:47 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 07:05:23 PM »
Quote from: matthey;795386
Are many games compatible with a USB mouse?

I can't speak for Deneb or AROS or anything like that, but I'd imagine any system-friendly game (i.e., any game you can run from Workbench or that multitasks) would work fine with a standard USB mouse.  WHDLoad stuff, probably not so much.  That's where you'd need to use Cocolino...
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2015, 03:18:43 AM »
Quote from: slaapliedje;796009
I have a Spider 2.0 card, and no not a single game I've played that doesn't run under workbench has worked with the USB mouse.  In fact, the one I ordered from Amigakit (which seems to be USB/Black version of the mouse this thread is about) has been kind of flaky in various computers I've tried it in.

Oh for the love of... it's not the mouse, it's the interface.  No hardware-hacking, bit-banging game from 1985 is going to support a mouse plugged into a USB port.  They didn't even have USB ports when most Amiga games were written.  That's why you get a Cocolino, or use system-friendly games.  Or the new version of this mouse that plugs directly into a 9-pin port.  *sigh*
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: A-EON Boing Ball Mouse for Classic Amigas
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2015, 02:36:21 AM »
Quote from: slaapliedje;796079
Awesome, discovered there is a 'mouse utility' disk they include, though it says it just has freewheel and MX1000 test programs on it.

No, there is a tool on there as well, that needs to go in your User-Startup, if I recall correctly.

Also there is a later version of FreeWheel on Aminet, than what is on the disk:

http://aminet.net/package/util/mouse/FreeWheel

...but it sounds like you have bigger problems to deal with, now.  :(
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos