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64bit OS...
« on: August 11, 2008, 08:45:38 PM »
I just got some extra mem... taking my pc from 2 to 6gb :-)

So now I need a 64bit OS.... I tried WinXP64 but that is just to buggy - crashes all the time.
So.... that leaves me with:
- win2003 server
- vista 64x
- win2008 server
- solaris x64
- no... not linux - I refuse

any thoughts ?

ta
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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 08:49:59 PM »
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Nostalgiac wrote:
I just got some extra mem... taking my pc from 2 to 6gb :-)

So now I need a 64bit OS.... I tried WinXP64 but that is just to buggy - crashes all the time.
So.... that leaves me with:
- win2003 server
- vista 64x
- win2008 server
- solaris x64
- no... not linux - I refuse

any thoughts ?

ta
Tom UK

PS: needs to be able to run WinUAE


Have you really any choice but Vista64bit?

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 08:51:47 PM »
I don't think that any 64-bit OS is ready for prime-time yet. I'm using windows xp 64-bit, and it's stable enough. The big problem is the drivers; they're just not up to scratch. Then there are silly things such as 64-bit programs not being able to do certain things because, for example, the video codecs are still 32-bit.

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 08:52:35 PM »
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I don't think that any 64-bit OS is ready for prime-time yet. I'm using windows xp 64-bit, and it's stable enough. The big problem is the drivers; they're just not up to scratch. Then there are silly things such as 64-bit programs not being able to do certain things because, for example, the video codecs are still 32-bit.

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 09:00:46 PM »
I have tried them, (to many times). I had some problems with some programs on Vista 64. Especially older sound programs. Some problems with Vista 32 can be avoided if they are installed right in the C: mapp instead of program files. The program file mapp is protected in more ways which could be problems if they derive from XP era.
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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 10:03:54 PM »
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- solaris x64
- no... not linux - I refuse


Huh?  You're willing to try Solaris but not Linux?  :-/ That does not compute?

It's more or less the same thing (UNIX), except one of them has tons of drivers and gazillions of applications available.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 10:49:12 PM »
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Hans_ wrote:
I don't think that any 64-bit OS is ready for prime-time yet. I'm using windows xp 64-bit, and it's stable enough. The big problem is the drivers; they're just not up to scratch. Then there are silly things such as 64-bit programs not being able to do certain things because, for example, the video codecs are still 32-bit.

Hans


Leopard works fine on my Core2Duo :-)


Ok, maybe I might have to revise my statement. Is Leopard 64-bit as stable and functional as Leopard running in 32-bit? Or are there little things that don't quite work as they should?

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 10:51:25 PM »
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Hans_ wrote:
I don't think that any 64-bit OS is ready for prime-time yet. I'm using windows xp 64-bit, and it's stable enough. The big problem is the drivers; they're just not up to scratch. Then there are silly things such as 64-bit programs not being able to do certain things because, for example, the video codecs are still 32-bit.

Hans


Leopard works fine on my Core2Duo :-)


Ok, maybe I might have to revise my statement. Is Leopard 64-bit as stable and functional as Leopard running in 32-bit? Or are there little things that don't quite work as they should?

Hans


No, Leopard is the same on my G4 as my Core2Duo... other than the obvious performance difference... it's the same experience :-/

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 11:27:20 PM »
i had no stability issues on xp64 here. i once bought it to run 64bit lightwave version but since i didnt need that much ram effectively and because it was slightly slower than 32 version i put it on another pc i made 4 my girlfriend. it still runs stable there, but: it lacks a lot of drivers, a lot 32bit soft doesnt work on it (or at least i couldnt get it to) and some minor features like photoshop thumbnails annoyingly do not want to work properly. so maybe there is somthing wrong with ur system? did u check the ram cell per cell with memtest for instance?
 

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 11:32:12 PM »
@wawrzon

My system worked fine with windows xp 32-bit so I doubt that it's a hardware issue. I find that the graphics drivers, in particular, are not as stable. Going into hibernation mode also fails at least 50% of the time, and even standby mode is risky since it's not guaranteed to come out of it. Finding 64-bit drivers is a real pain, and they're often not as stable as their 32-bit counterparts.

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 11:45:47 PM »
Leopard. :-) You needn't even know if you're running 64-bit.

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Windows XP x64 is hopeless driver-wise... And on top of that, even some of Microsoft's own stuff won't run on it, such as the Group Policy MMC.

I have 64-bit Vista on my work laptop... By choice, no less! Drivers weren't a problem and it's very stable. 32-bit support seems much better than xp64, 'though Audition 2 (pre-Vista, to be fair) was useless. And in general I gotta say I hated Vista with a passion at first, but I'm coming round a bit. You need to spend a bit of time disabling some of the sillier features and services, of course...
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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 12:28:50 AM »
What about Windows 2008 Workstation.  :-)

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 12:38:59 AM »
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What about Windows 2008 Workstation.  :-)

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 01:26:04 AM »
There's also the matter of bothering to upgrade to a 64-bit OS in the first place. Assuming you have a reasonably expanded system, Windows 32-bit will see somewhere between 2GB and 4GB with PAE disabled after your hardware is mapped into place. Unless you're working with the some uber memory intensive applications, that's still quite a bit of memory.

The only thing I've upgraded in my box over the last three and a half years is the video card: Athlon 64 4000+, 1 GB RAM, 6800GT to 7900GT to 8800GTS. I've had my eye on the Core2 Duo and X48 and P45 chipsets, but I'll probably wait until early next year to upgrade. The Core2's are *fast*, but apart from playing a few new games, there's no compelling reason to upgrade.

Give it another year or so, and mainstream support for multicore 64-bit processors will be there. For now, the software (applications and drivers) is still bleeding edge, even if the hardware isn't.
 

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Re: 64bit OS...
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 01:26:59 AM »
AROS 64? :-D

UAE would need to be recompiled(fixed) for 64