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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Cosmos on March 28, 2010, 02:10:53 PM
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A new HowTo for installing a socket 42 for the future physical Kickstart 3.9.1
All the Kickstart are still under Copyright : These articles ONLY describe the installation of a socket !
A500
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-i.html
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-ii.html
A2000
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kick-1-mo-a2000-i.html
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kick-1mo-a2000-ii.html
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W T F ?
I think somebody is pirating something - the color printed labels make it even more likely
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W T F ?
I think somebody is pirating something - the color printed labels make it even more likely!
Why, because pirates like colours?
Pay attention to what the poster writes and what is written on the site, dont let all the coloured stickers distract you.
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More like possible custom Kickstart chips with library upgrades etc (like mine which I did last year)
Pirate? Hell no, I got my original chips safely stored away :)
And should the day come that I get rid of my A1200, the updated ROM's will be removed and destroyed then the original 3.1's will be put back.
ARRRGGGHHHHH! A pirate's life for me!
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W T F ?
I think somebody is pirating something - the color printed labels make it even more likely
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I just spat out my tea.
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To buy this new Kickstart, we need an agreement of
these persons to an availability for sale.
Send them an email :
Bill McEwen
bill *a*t* amiga *d*o*t* com
Good luck with that...
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A new HowTo for installing a socket 42 for the future physical Kickstart 3.9.1
All the Kickstart are still under Copyright : These articles ONLY describe the installation
of a socket !
AMIGA.COM is always down so who should we write? Santa-Claus, HYPERION, COMMODORE USA or other :)
W T F ?
I think somebody is pirating something - the color printed labels make it even more likely
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COSMOS is not a pirate, perhaps a space pirate like Harlock!
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What I want to know is why someone would go through all the trouble to install such a socket? Removing a mobo from the case, de-soldering the old socket, installing a new socket where two pins need to go to Gary anyway... unless you wanted to show off some damn fine soldering techniques! lol
I would have just put the new socket into the old piggyback style! And yes, the contact between the two would be just fine.
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Oh, I see other links showing alternative methods now. Still, instead of soldering directly to the Kickstart chip, best to just double up the sockets to be on the safe side, unless some other hardware in your machine would prohibit that somehow.
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What is the email of Hyperion ?
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@Cosmos
Hyperion is not the one you should contact. They only have 3.1 rights to use and distribute, but no ownership.
If you plan on using 3.1 stuff modified + some of 3.9, you will have to contact both the defunct Amiga Inc, and Haage & Partner.
Good Luck!
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What would these new roms give an A500?
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If you use your Amiga as a dumb gaming console, nothing.
If you want to push it to the extreme, you can have support for harddisk bigger than 4GB from rom. You can have a 3.9 kickstart without the need for the double reboot. You could get an overall faster and bugfixed system than 3.1. You could replace your con-handler with KingCon, so that every cli you use since boot can have all kinds of nice features such as name guessing, history, etc. If you have USB, you can boot from usb devices.
And many others that I miss.
So at the end it depends on what you expect your Amiga to do for you.
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Sorry, but my *i got asskicked by ainc-lawyers* kick3.9 from 2006 includes newer modules than this one ...
And it worked in a standard 512kb rom - full operational - ;)
Prepare yourself, i think "they" will contact you, too.
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If the lawyers get in touch with you, ask them for contact details for A-Inc :-)
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I just spat out my tea.
I just wet myself. LOL. I'm still chuckling.
Captain Feather Sword branches into the technology business...
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Yes Ratte, the modules on my Blog is from the BoingBag2 !
Most recent modules are available, I know...
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If you use your Amiga as a dumb gaming console
Why dumb? not much success with that word.
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Let me put it for you in another way:
If you use your amiga exclusively for games, and dont give a damn about what kickstart or OS does it run, as long as you insert a floppy, turn the power on and then play, and that is about all you do with it. Then, if that is the case, this type of kickstart rom update is useless.
An Amiga is much more than a gaming console, dont you think so?
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All the Kickstart are still under Copyright : These articles ONLY describe the installation of a socket !
I don't think you can copyright chips, only software. (o:
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What I want to know is why someone would go through all the trouble to install such a socket? Removing a mobo from the case, de-soldering the old socket, installing a new socket where two pins need to go to Gary anyway... unless you wanted to show off some damn fine soldering techniques! lol
ughh "pretty fine soldering techniques"??? this is as basic an installation you can get for us Amigans or any one who owns a basic soldering iron really
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ughh "pretty fine soldering techniques"??? this is as basic an installation you can get for us Amigans or any one who owns a basic soldering iron really
I was just trying to give some props after being befuddled why he'd go through all the trouble! lol
Besides, a 'basic' soldering iron with de-soldering braid and/or a discrete solder sucker typically isn't going to do as clean a job removing an I.C. He's got a nice setup and technique, better than a lot that attempt such work I'd say.
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I think this is a phenomenon that you will witness frequently only in Amiga.org. Almost Every time someone posts a good tutorial, there will always be the guy (usually more than one) that will try to ruin the thread and discourage the original poster.
Why is this and why only here? It's is beyond me.
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>discourage the original poster
No !!!
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I think this is a phenomenon that you will witness frequently only in Amiga.org. Almost Every time someone posts a good tutorial, there will always be the guy (usually more than one) that will try to ruin the thread and discourage the original poster.
Why is this and why only here? It's is beyond me.
Well, there are two positions I have observed here at the great A.org and they are 1) ideas are scrutinized on merit of technical soundness and cost worthiness, and 2) if an idea has something to do with copyrighted infringement it is going to meet swift opposition from the "Pirate Police".
Addendum: I do not support copywriter infringements, but there are times I cannot find what I need through legit channels, either licensed reseller or intellectual property owner themselves (i.e. Amiga. Inc) that aggravate the tar out of me.
The Dawg
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8588642.stm
:)
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How did Cosmos get these roms, are they for sale?
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Sorry,if this is a stupid question. :D
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Hello.
Although i have not clearly understood where this new ROM come from and who is going to make it available, i wonder why bother with A500/A2000 before A1200/A4000? From what i have read here, booting from USB would be great.
EDIT: ok! i have just understood that ROM supports from A500 Plus to A4000 are already suitable for 42 pins EPROMS. I see the point now :-)
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How did Cosmos get these roms, are they for sale?
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Sorry,if this is a stupid question. :D
I think it's a custom ROM: without any bugs = THE PERFECTION !
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Cool.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8588642.stm[/URL]
Relevant because...?
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I don't think you can copyright chips, only software. (o:
The eproms aren' kickstarts until you load software on them.
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The eproms aren' kickstarts until you load software on them.
And nothing is illegal when we change our own AMIGA ROMS, if it remains in private use, without being released. We have purchased original ROMs (with AMIGA or only chip).
But a question remains: if I, French, I change the ROM and I invent the ROM 3.9.3: what are the risks? AMIGA.COM is still down and nobody knows who retains the rights to the ROMS and sources.
It is very strange what is happening right now: the announcement of Hyperion, the website AMIGA.COM, the false announcement COMMODORE USA ...
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where can I get 3.9 roms?
booting from usb and all that sounds great.
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I think this is a phenomenon that you will witness frequently only in Amiga.org. Almost Every time someone posts a good tutorial, there will always be the guy (usually more than one) that will try to ruin the thread and discourage the original poster.
Why is this and why only here? It's is beyond me.
Yes its true... and more when the word "piracy" is used ramdonly.
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And nothing is illegal when we change our own AMIGA ROMS, if it remains in private use, without being released. We have purchased original ROMs (with AMIGA or only chip).
Well, the question is - do you own a legal copy of OS3.9 for those machines?
But a question remains: if I, French, I change the ROM and I invent the ROM 3.9.3: what are the risks? AMIGA.COM is still down and nobody knows who retains the rights to the ROMS and sources.
The risk of getting chased by Amiga Inc. or even Haage & Partner is rather low, I suspect. The risk of getting a "stop doing that, or else ..." from Hyperion and/or Cloanto a little higher. The risk of getting chased around on the web, being banned from certain sites, mailed and harassed by their volunteering crowd of henchmen, though, is rather high. Whether any of them actually have legal grounds to stand on for harassing people over this is an interesting question.
It is very strange what is happening right now: the announcement of Hyperion, the website AMIGA.COM, the false announcement COMMODORE USA ...
Nah, it's same old same old, really :laughing:
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Would not mind those roms for my A1200
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Maybe that guy must sell these kickstarts, amiga.com dont exist, hyperion and haage & partner dont care about the classic amiga, if someone has to wait for them to make a move, better to wait sitting IMHO.
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The risk of getting chased around on the web, being banned from certain sites, mailed and harassed by their volunteering crowd of henchmen, though, is rather high.
Yea i'm really getting sick of these pious wankers.
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I say hack and copy all you like with OS3-like ROMs. Who really gives a ..... and if they do, they better have lots of money - lawsuits we love 'em!
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They can't stop the whole world!
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Hmm, a piracy debate:
I seriously doubt Amiga inc., Cloanto, Haage or Hyp. cares if you resell the roms, most of the roms in circulation these days are pirated. I bought a 2.04/3.1 rom from UK, ity arrived w/ data wiped sticker. Put it in the Amiga, still worked, figured the seller tricked customs?
If MS wanted to fry the hundreds of pirates pirating their old OSes, they could, but they really don't do it because they don't sell those OSes anymore. If they cared, tehy still sell it.
#DMCA and copyrights suck!
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Hmm, a piracy debate:
I seriously doubt Amiga inc., Cloanto, Haage or Hyp. cares if you resell the roms, most of the roms in circulation these days are pirated. I bought a 2.04/3.1 rom from UK, ity arrived w/ data wiped sticker. Put it in the Amiga, still worked, figured the seller tricked customs?
If MS wanted to fry the hundreds of pirates pirating their old OSes, they could, but they really don't do it because they don't sell those OSes anymore. If they cared, tehy still sell it.
#DMCA and copyrights suck!
@DC270- right on!
I find this whole piracy debate to be hillarious! I got the impression that Joe T. was kidding in his post. And if not... Really? Seriously, Joe?
From what I can tell, these guys are taking existing stuff and sticking it into a ROM and bunging it into their Amigas. You bought the Amiga. You bought the updated OS. If you wanted USB or IDE or etc., then you probably bought that hardware too. And it probably came with some sort of drivers. You paid, somehow or other, for all that software which you are now rearranging to your heart's content. Good for you!
Unless you're selling it for a profit, what's the problem?
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Unless you're selling it for a profit, what's the problem?
Nothing illegal about selling stickers for a profit. Stickers meant to be glued onto EPROMs. Heck, they even bothered to put information about copyrights info on the stickers, about who they think are the owners of the content of the EPROMs. Great stickers! :)
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Well, the question is - do you own a legal copy of OS3.9 for those machines?
Yep I've the original CDROM !
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5434/dsc077188.th.jpg) (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/dsc077188.jpg/)
Nothing illegal about selling stickers for a profit. Stickers meant to be glued onto EPROMs. Heck, they even bothered to put information about copyrights info on the stickers, about who they think are the owners of the content of the EPROMs. Great stickers! :)
I don't think so: AMIGA name is copyrighted !
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They don't have a case, if they want to stop piracy, keep on selling it. Who stopped me from selling a machine on ebay with Amithlon/ win 2k without cds or licenses for either? Nobody! because they wouldn't have a case because they don't offer them anymore. When a company ceases sale of a product, consider it fair game!
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A new HowTo for installing a socket 42 for the future physical Kickstart 3.9.1
I'll take mine with the sticker please, seriously Cosmos, the future it is right NOW! ;)
EDIT, sorry for posting on such an old thread, never seen this before, got a little too excited.
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Well, there are two positions I have observed here at the great A.org and they are 1) ideas are scrutinized on merit of technical soundness and cost worthiness, and 2) if an idea has something to do with copyrighted infringement it is going to meet swift opposition from the "Pirate Police".
Anyone releasing modified kickstart roms has to be aware of the risks. While Amiga might not have the money for lawyers anymore, there are other interested parties that do.
Selling increases the risk & your margins would be squeezed as anyone else can do the same thing.
If you release modifications anonymously then it's unlikely they'll track you down.
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Over the last years, I have sent many emails & letters about a new great physical Kickstart to :
McEwen, Hermans, Frieden, Dickinson, Pleasance, Haynie, Haag & Partner, Sassenrath, Tyschtschenko and many others...
I'm always waiting for an answer... They think only with their wallet : no lot of money to earn now with Amiga Classic... Sad but true...
I got only one reply from RJ Mical who wish me good luck...
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Anyone releasing modified kickstart roms has to be aware of the risks. While Amiga might not have the money for lawyers anymore, there are other interested parties that do.
Since I'm making lotsa custom kickstarts for my own fun (owning the rights to many original 3.1 chips as long as original 3.9 CD) and not selling for profit... I don't care at all.
After all many of us can do our own mods on our Amigas and burn our own kickstarts for the fun of it.
ACATune's MapROM feature is really awesome since you don't have to burn tested ROMS everytime you wanna update or change a module.
Cosmos ftw
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Possible to use these with a kickstart switch? Using the Amigakit one, so I guess I'd need to modify the socket on that?
Really interested in this. Actually would be happy with afew color stickers ;-) 3.1 kick, maybe a gary or paula? ;-)
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Good job Cosmos!
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>I don't care at all
New Kick is good for you, but please think about ALL Amiga Classic users and Amiga survey ! Thanks !!
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So why continue with it as selling pre-burned "ROM" chips? Make a board that carries yor original 3.1 ROM and a flash chip, like a kick switcher. When writing to the ROM addresses, obviously you're only able to write tot eh flash, so do that, even if you booted from the original 3.1 ROM.
Make a software utility that reads in your real ROM, asks for your 3.9 CD or looks on your hard drive OS install (which may be better since boing bags and other udpates are not on CD), and read all that to assemble the 3.9 "kickstart" image which is then burned to flash. Next boot, you have a 3.9 to choose from in your now programmed flash side of the kickswitch, and have a way to mark the flash side as the default boot from now on.
Do you need to ask for permission and pay license fees this way? You already have what is needed, you just need to assemble it and put it inside the flash yourself, and the utility makes that very easy to do, pretty much automatic.
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So why continue with it as selling pre-burned "ROM" chips? Make a board that carries yor original 3.1 ROM and a flash chip, like a kick switcher. When writing to the ROM addresses, obviously you're only able to write tot eh flash, so do that, even if you booted from the original 3.1 ROM.
Well, this does exist, mfilos showed me such a project/kit on Aminet yesterday. Thing to do, is build & sell me a drop-in device that lets this happen relatively easily, and use something like Luciferin FlashRom software.
Why no one bothered to build and sell such a device is strange, to me. But I am naive about hardware. Would add that this would clearly have nothing to do with copyright issues.
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A new HowTo for installing a socket 42 for the future physical Kickstart 3.9.1
All the Kickstart are still under Copyright : These articles ONLY describe the installation of a socket !
A500
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-i.html
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-ii.html
A2000
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kick-1-mo-a2000-i.html
http://cosmosamiga.blogspot.com/2010/03/kick-1mo-a2000-ii.html
your site seems to be down :(
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All is here : http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-i.html
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-ii.html
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kick-1-mo-a2000-i.html
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kick-1mo-a2000-ii.html
:)
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All is here : http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-i.html
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kickstart-1mo-a500-ii.html
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kick-1-mo-a2000-i.html
http://leblogdecosmos.blogspot.fr/2010/03/kick-1mo-a2000-ii.html
:)
Awesome thanks. Now for an AROS eprom :D
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I changed my URL now without the word 'Amiga'... I'm lucid and not naive...
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I changed my URL now without the word 'Amiga'... I'm lucid and not naive...
Does MuMapRom support 1MB roms?
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Any way to erase "Amiga inc." from the purple boot-screen? :flak:
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Any way to erase "Amiga inc." from the purple boot-screen? :flak:
Amiga Inc plus other copyright stuff reside in Exec.library which loads first.
If you manage to change that there then you're good to go :)