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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: punkpie on March 03, 2004, 11:01:01 AM
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I don't know if anyone else picked up on this? There's a guy in Germany selling off several '060 based PPC cards.
http://www.amibench.net/cgi-bin/view.pl?type=sale&country=All (http://www.amibench.net/cgi-bin/view.pl?type=sale&country=All)
Do a quick find for "RolandGeiger".
I've been back and forth with emails and he seems ok. The only problem is that he doesn't have a paypal account so I'd have to find some other way to pay.
Does anyone think I shouldn't trust this guy? I've noticed the problems with buying PPC cards on Amibench over the past few months.
Cheers.
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punkpie wrote:
I don't know if anyone else picked up on this? There's a guy in Germany selling off several '060 based PPC cards.
http://www.amibench.net/cgi-bin/view.pl?type=sale&country=All (http://www.amibench.net/cgi-bin/view.pl?type=sale&country=All)
Do a quick find for "RolandGeiger".
I've been back and forth with emails and he seems ok. The only problem is that he doesn't have a paypal account so I'd have to find some other way to pay.
Does anyone think I shouldn't trust this guy? I've noticed the problems with buying PPC cards on Amibench over the past few months.
Cheers.
To be honest with you, I think you should get an AmigaONE or Pegasos, rather than waste money of this very old, horribly out of date Amiga Hardware.
I would even recomend a Cheap modern PC + WinUAE over a PPC accel for an Amiga.
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Your brain pics scare me!
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Hey, I'm in the same exact position as you. I have emailed him and got a reply for the entry level Blizzard; which one has he promised you?
I'm still considering what's the best option of handling it, cos I don't like the idea of sending my money off to a stranger that is in a different country.
I have serious doubts on the whole thing cos the price he wants is quite low.
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Yes i have brought the 240/060 Blizzard PPC card version. I am paying £160 for it inc delivery. I haven't got it yet but he has "reserved it" for me. I am buying it through registered post, but am waiting a couple of weeks until my Amiga is back up and running. I wonder how many people have tried to buy it, i emailed him a day later, he only has about 2 Cyberstorms and 3 Blizzards. Can anyone confirm (who has brought) that this geezer is for real?
Cheers,
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What method of payment did you choose to pay him with?
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Cash via registered post.
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Yeeshk! What makes you trust him so? Does his address look legit or is it a PO Box(!)?
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It is not a PO Box, i have got his address but not sure if i should post it here on Amiga.org.
Cheers,
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Oh yeah, he said a payment method he could do WAS Paypal. I think, he mentioned it anyway.
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lol, no; I'm not asking for that! ....Incidentally I have just got his address cos he just emailed me back. It's looks like it's crunch time.
Did you get your card with the SIMMs he was offering? Is that a good price he is offering for them?
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No, i am just getting the card with it, no simms. I will PMail you his address, as it has no place on this thread.
Regards,
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As for the simms, £50 for a 128meg simm is pretty good. I got 2 128meg simms for £55 inc postage, that was a great offer! Ask haymiggan, he may hav some left.
Cheers,
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Hi promised me the 210/060 Blizzard with 64MB ram for about £160 (cant remember exact price). Either way he says he has several of each card in stock and has 'reserved' this one for me until I find some way of paying.
What was the method you used to pay? Registered post?
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Well, he promised me a 210/060 Blizzard with 128Mb Ram for £176 inc p+p.
When I asked if he still had the card, he said
"Yes - 2 pieces."
Do you think that means he has two (Or he snapped it in two!)
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BTW
I've noticed the problems with buying PPC cards on Amibench over the past few months.
What were the problems?
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He told me he has Blizzards for A1200 and Cyberstorms for A3000 and A4000 (are these cards different?). If so he seems to have a fair range which he bought as bankrupt stock.
Like several others here, I'd like a PPC to run PPC-OS4 (as and when), 'cos it's unlikely I'll buy an Aone for a long time (if ever). It's all very well people saying 'go for the Aone, don't waste money on old 1200s', but many people have invested thousands in their A1200 and have no way of recouping that. The cheaper option is to get what we can out of OS4 without making quantum leaps, at very high cost, into the new stuff. The Aone is after all, just a mobo. You need a lot more stuff to make it a complete system.
Anyway, as soon as anyone recieves their PPC card from this guy, let us know if it's all legit. If he offers PayPal it sounds OK...doesn't it?
Cheers,
JaX
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I remember reading a while ago (on here in fact) that some guy in the south sold a PPC to 3 different people and didn't send the card to either of them. They all managed to get the vast majority of their money back though, because they paid via paypal, which was good.
When I asked him about paypal he said that, although he has an account, it's not validated and he can't take money. Which is shame because paypal offer protection for this sort of thing.
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JaXanim wrote:
He told me he has Blizzards for A1200 and Cyberstorms for A3000 and A4000 (are these cards different?).
Yes they are quite different, look here (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/search.pl?dir=a1200proc#blizzardppc) to see the BlizzardPPC and here (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/search.pl?dir=a3000proc#cyberstormppc) to see the CyberstormPPC. :-)
Like several others here, I'd like a PPC to run PPC-OS4 (as and when), 'cos it's unlikely I'll buy an Aone for a long time (if ever). It's all very well people saying 'go for the Aone, don't waste money on old 1200s', but many people have invested thousands in their A1200 and have no way of recouping that. The cheaper option is to get what we can out of OS4 without making quantum leaps, at very high cost, into the new stuff. The Aone is after all, just a mobo. You need a lot more stuff to make it a complete system.
That was the best argument I´ve seen in a long time. :-D
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@JaXanim
Yes. Very well said. Well done old chum! :-)
Okay me and tangletown both have his address and are both the same. So thats one thing out of the way. If this guy is for real, then this has to be close to bargain of the century!
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Hi,
I have his address too. Can you PM me so I check it against yours?
Cheers.
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@Punkpie
Check your PM
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Guys, I've ordered and payed for the BPPC 060@50Mhz - 603e@240Mhz + SCSI version and he is about to send it. I used paypal to pay. He said he can only accept non credit card payments. I sure hope he didn't sell this card to someone else too, because if he did...I will be in the same situation as I was before (I was one of the 2 guys who got scammed for the BPPC sale from the guy in the UK).
So far I've been getting replies regulary from the seller, but we will see what happens. If I get scammed again I'll probably stick to eBay from now on, and pay premium prices, but have better security and assurance that the seller is legit. I know, eBay is not 100% safe either, but much safer than Amibench and private sales, that's for sure.
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Thanks a lot for the info.
It looks like the address he has given us all is correct so he seems ok. Let us know if you get it safely.
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If I get scammed again I'll probably stick to eBay from now on, and pay premium prices, but have better security and assurance that the seller is legit. I know, eBay is not 100% safe either, but much safer than Amibench and private sales, that's for sure.
Honestly, I'd say eBay is as bad, or worse. I got scammed out on after I paid for a Toaster/Flyer on eBay about 5 months ago. :-( I even bought the stupid PayPal insurance(!!) They ruled that it was totally the sellers fault, and kicked out the seller, but collected me $0.00 of my original money. Glad I paid extra for that insurance. Big help. And people wonder why I don't use PayPal anymore. :-P
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I am just about to send the guy the payment for the 210/060 and realised he has only been a member for 5 days. Can you all give me your serious feelings towards this is a good idea or not.
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To be honest,
it's not a good idea. But, I am in a need of a BPPC card, and I realize that the deal is very good, and the risk is very high, but I am willing to take it as if this turns out to be OK I will get a great bargain, as prices are way bigger than what he's asking for the listed hardware. It's very tricky to decide what to do. If you wait for too long he may sell it to someone else, if he's for real that is, but it could also save you from being scammed...
I can only tell you that he will wait for the money to be deposited to his bank account before he sends the card, so if you pay today, 5 days later or so when he sees the money in his bank account he will send the card (approximately), as he is new to paypal and doesn't rely simply on what he sees in his paypal account balance, but wants to phisically have it in his bank. That is what he is doing right now with my payment. Extremely fishy, but, we will see what happens. I am willing to take the risk this one last time. :-)
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Why not ask his bank if it is he who own the account? :-?
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I wasn't aware that there would be an extra waiting period for the funds to clear.
I'm not rich like you, so I can't afford to make these kinda mistakes :-P
As for asking the bank; the guy's German and so is his bank. My half-forgotten GCSE German isn't going to be enough to carry out any kind of sensical conversation with a confused bank-manager!
One question I have been asking myself is: why are the prices for the cards so low? I just saw a Blizzard PPC that was half the speed as the ones he is offering, get bought straight out at £175 on Ebay. The obvious answer is that he is using our greediness for his benefit, to the point that we ignore all common sense because we only care about the price. Anyone agree?
Yes; I'm paranoid.
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Why not ask his bank if it is he who own the account?
Because a bank will give this kind of information only to the gouverment or the police. That`s at least how it is here in germany.
If you are worried about the prices being susspicously low I can calm you. I had a look at the prices and I can tell you that they are only about 10% below the average price here in germany. I recently got a CSPPC 040/40MHz /180 MHz for 180 EUR incl. p&p
From what I have read here at AOrg I think prices for used Amiga-Hardware are ridiculously high in the US. For top notch hardware about 170% of what I would pay here.
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Reading all the posts so far on this, plus my own contact with the guy, makes me believe he has stacks of these cards to sell. He apparently bought them as bankrupt stock from a shop which closed down. So, he may have got it all for peanuts. If so, selling them at 'half price' is probably making him a good return.
What puzzles me a little about this deal is why he isn't selling this stock through EBay? Looking at the money some people are prepared to part with in order to win a Cyberstorm in an EBay auction, he could easily get double what he's asking.
I suppose there are altruistic businessmen somewhere in the world, but I have yet to find one! Don't forget to tell us when you get your PPC card!
Cheers,
Jax
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No problem. I will post regular updates as to what happens with this deal.
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Lemmink wrote:
Because a bank will give this kind of information only to the gouverment or the police. That`s at least how it is here in germany.
Aha, ok. Well here in Sweden you can ask that. You just ask if this account number is for this person and they say yes or no. It isn´t like you get all the info about that person or so, just a yes or no. Then you know. :-)
Isn´t anyone living nearby and can go there to check him out? :-D
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@JaXanim
I wondered that too, the ebay thing that is. I think it's simple that he can't be bothered with the hassle and having to wait to the auction to finish. I mean, if you think about, he's probably making a profit anyway selling them at the price he is. Otherwise why would he bother?
@tangletown
He has only just signed up for an account. He told me that when I asked to pay via paypal.
Either way, his comms are good so I'm willing to trust the guy. We'll see what happens... :-)
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Yes, please do regular updates. I am not going to buy that PPC card until i know it is 100% safe. I might also sell my Blizzard PPC 160/060@50mhz card if anyone is interested. I am not sure if it working yet or not, as my Amiga is down to test it. I can also take pictures of it. As i said, if anyone is interested.
Cheers,
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I would never sell amiga goods on ebay. Simply because and I know this is going to sound odd but...
I dont like the idea of ripping of dumb users who are willing to pay way over the top for things, even if it is there own doing. I'd much rather sell on amibench at a a fixed cost that I belive is a reasonable price for such an item.
I might shortly be selling a BPPC@240 with an 040/25 on... depending on how things go...
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@Mr Street Fighter Person
Really? How much for?
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@CU_AMiGA
Really? How much for? :lol:
I'm definately pulling out now; cos there are too many unknowns. The ebay point is still the most unsettling one.
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@tangletown
Is that an offer for my PPC Card? As i said, i am not sure what is happening yet. I need to wait for this part before i know whats happening.
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Check your Inbox
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What I don't like is the fact he said no PayPal credit-card payments. For him it is the same either way, which is what makes me suspicious as the only difference is that you are covered by the Credit-Card company if it is a scam if you used a CC...
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Well he didn't say "no credit cards" to me.
It's his inconsistancies that worried me. I noticed that he used at least 3 different names throughout and the fact that his email is just a free account didn't say much for him either.
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@tangletown,
Check your email.
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NightShade737 wrote:
What I don't like is the fact he said no PayPal credit-card payments. For him it is the same either way, which is what makes me suspicious as the only difference is that you are covered by the Credit-Card company if it is a scam if you used a CC...
I'm not advising you to do a transaction that you feel unsafe about...in fact, i would pull out too.
However, it is not the same for him. In order to take a CC payment on paypal you have to upgrade your account. That upgrade means you will pay extra fee's on every transaction, including ones that are NOT CC payments.
In other words, some merchants will refuse to take the CC payments, to avoid those fee's, and I don't blame them.
Paypal charges outrageous fee's. In commodity markets like gold, you can't take paypal, you have to ask for check or money order.
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Good point. I forgot that you needed premium account to accept PayPal, I thought it was reciept of any payment.
Tangle: What names did he use?
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Right, just got a reply and this was attached. This is all the imformation regarding payment. And it turns out it isn't actually a person, but a team/group/company.
Information for all:
We (Amiga club) got and get a lot of e-mails because of the Amibench advertisement.
It's hard to answer all immediately, so don't be angry if you have to wait up to one
day. And don't be surprised if not the same member answers all your questions.
We got a few pieces of all models, the are exhibits and full working an tested. We
still have at least one of each model.
Payment:
- Fastest way is "Western Union" - you have to go to your post office or bank (ask
if they work for Western Union), you pay there the money, you will get an transfer
code, you send this code to me, I will go to my post office, take the money out
there and send in the same time the stuff to you.
- Send money or an cheque in an registered letter to my address. Second fastest way.
- PayPal: I don't like it, but much people asked for this way and I opened just "for
you" an account. Important is, that you have to pay the money from your bank account
or PayPal account. If you pay it from your credit card, I have no way to get that
money, because I don't have an credit card for myself - that's the rules vom PayPal.
I don't anderstand that, but so it is. And if you send the money by PayPal, your
order will leave us just after the money is transfered to my account - that needs
5-7 days. Slowliest way.
Address:
##REMOVED##
Account:
##REMOVED##
- I hope my english is not too bad ! Thanks!
Just a FYI though, NEVER USE WESTERN UNION. It is as safe as sending money unrecorded in an envelope.
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WesternUnion is good only if you are sending money to a relative, or something. :-)
Also, their fee schedule is simply INSANE.
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Someone' on EBay just paid £421/623Euros for a CSPPC604e/233/060.
Blimey!
JaX
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Any news on the German PPC guy?
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Yep. He's just excepted from me via paypal.
He says he'll get the card in post ASAP.
I'll let you know when I receive it... and if it works.
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I have also contacted the guy, and have reserved a BPPC 603e/240MHz with 060/50MHz for me. Thats what he says.
Do you think that I should go for it, or not? It's a lot of money, but I really want this card.
/Jörgen
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I checked and apparently the cards are new, but used to show to customers (working in a machine).
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Belive it or not. Vesalia.com have mailed me and they say they have run out of BPPC 603e/240MHz but they want to sell me an 603e/210MHz with 64MB memory for 498 Euro including shipping to Sweden.
So now I don't now what to do. Either I take the risc and sends the german guy from Amibench 246 Euro and begs on my bare knees that he actually sends me a card or I can go for the card that vesalia wants to sell to me for a big pile of money and hope that they actually sends me the card.
I need advice, what do you think I should do?
/Jörgen
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It depends on if you can afford to take the risk!
I'm a bit confused as to how many of these cards he has now, he seems to have reserved the cards left, right and centre now
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Give it until early next week and I'll post if I get the card. Then decide what you'd prefer to do.
Do you get any kind of garuantee with Vesalia? I mean, some sort a years garuantee so if the cad dies they'll replace it?
He says he has several of each card which is why I think he says he can reserve them.
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Vesalia takes 24 Euro extra for the Paypal fee. So to sum it all up, they want 523.85 Euro for the 603e/210MHz with 060/50MHz and one 64MB Sim module.
What a {bleep}, I'll go for it. It seems more safe than sending a complete stranger 246 Euro, and the card from Vesalia is new.
/Jörgen
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I contacted him and told him how to set up a Premium Account on Paypal, so he can now accept creditcard transactions through Paypal.
To be honest, if he was intending on just stealing peoples money, I wouldn't want to go up against credit card companies and PayPal.
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I agree. There's far too much on record now for this to be a setup. In fact the last contact I had convinced me it's OK and I've decided to take the plunge (Mad Fool...?)
So, I've spent next month's Council Tax and gone for one. As with others here, I was promised a reservation. However, he did ask me to tell him if I changed my mind, presumably so he could reoffer the board. I doubt anyone on the fiddle would make such a request.
So, I'm into this one, even though I was scammed out of a similar amount when the Silica chain folded several years ago. I think anyone wanting the best bargains around should get in now. It won't last too long I fancy, but make up your own mind.
I'll also let you know how things go. I've sent a cheque, so it'll be at least a week, maybe two.
JaX
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Ordered a CSPPC 233/060 with 128MB RAM and paid by credit-card through PayPal, so mine should be a tad faster...
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Wow; he actually went through with getting a Premium Account?
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Okay, as soon as anyone confirms this guy is for real i am sending him cash or cheque with a triple first class stamp on it! :lol:
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I'd assume any of you sending money to him usig Paypal is safe. He wouldnt go through all that to rip people off. Get the card while you can I say!!
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I did!
Money is on it's way for a BlizzardPPC with 68060 and 240 MHz PPC.
Hope it all goes faaaaaaaaast.
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So, out of curiosity has anyone received their card yet?
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I received an e-mail today that the money successfully transfered from PayPal to his german bank account and that he sent out the card today.
I will keep everyone posted on what happens.
edit: I ordered a BPPC 240/060 w/SCSI on it.
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@x56h54
Thx!!! I'm more relieved now...
I also ordered a BPPC 240/060 + SCSI :-D
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So he has more than 1 of those? Either that or...scam? :-?
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Do read the actual thread before commenting, it saves you time, and it saves us time repeating ourselves.
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Guys, has anyone actually received their card yet?
Regards,
Cyberus
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I think that what he does is wait for the money to get 100% transferred to his bank account and then sends the cards. He did this with me anyway, as he said that he never used PayPal before and wanted to make sure that I don't retreive the money somehow after he sent the card by mail, so he basically wanted to actually SEE the money in his bank account before sending anything out. Fishy, fishy, fishy...but we'll see.
My estimate is that he is only about now probably sending out cards to buyers, that is if he's legit.
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He said pretty much the same thing to me. The payment went through at the weekend so I'm still waiting.
It's pretty good with emails so I'll send him another if I dont recieve it tomorrow.
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@x56h34
"So he has more than 1 of those? Either that or...scam? "
Well, in the general info text that they send in their email replies (it's also posted here in this thread) they say that they're a group that got verious cards from a store that closed, so possibly they had various cards of this model.
A friend of mine got an email answered this weekend too that they still had that model so...
One should be very paranoid with these things and not risk, but the price was good and some of you were buying too so I went for it. I just hope that we are able to get our money back if anything goes wrong... but at the moment it seems to be cool.
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If it makes you feel better, he has told me a few days ago, that he's sold out of the BPPC 060 240MHZ if all current buyers pays up.
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@Haymiggan
Interesting... I think people buying the non SCSI version to spend less will be sorry soon. Unless you're not using the processor for other running programs, SCSI with good DMA spares the overhead of the processor, freeing it to have almost it's full processing power.
Video players are a good example. With SCSI they perform better.
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@Jose,
What happens if you have got a Power Flyer, like me? Hopefully, i will send the money out today or tomorrow, if i get the all clear from him. I am sending him 2 payments.
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I agree with Jose, GET ONE WITH SCSI. I bought the cheapest version available back in 98. The 040 is bearable but the lack of DMA SCSI is not :(.
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What happens if you have got a Power Flyer, like me?
well, you just get higher transferrates at nearly the same high CPU-load the onboard IDE generates.
All IDE controller for the Amiga generate between 80-99% CPU load while accessing the attached drives, so SCSI is a must for a seriously used Amiga.
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Any idea roughly on the CPU useage for say the UW-SCSI on the Cyberstorm?
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I didn`t manage to push the CPU load above 20% when checking the UWSCSI on my CSPPC/060 with SCSI-bench. I tried every cobination of settings for the test from best to worst. I got values from 14% to 18% while being total idle the systemload was at 7% to start with.
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Ooh, thats nice to know. So not only is it Xx50 times faster, it also uses alot less load. :)
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Back to the original subject, has anyone who bought one recieved it yet? I expect to get it today or tomorrow but I'm still waiting.
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Mine went out a few days ago, but since I'm from Canada and the package is arriving from Germany, it could be around 2-3 weeks of waiting before I see it. Sometimes earlier (1 week), but on a rare occasion.
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I've only bought mine this Monday afternoon so it should still take some time...
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Right, i am sending the money today. He had better send me the card when he gets the money, or he'd better watch out!
Surely a Power Flyer ain't THAT much slower than a SCSI?
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The flyer would achieve a maximum of 16.6MBps in PIO mode 4 (or 5 depending on how you look at it) and would use 80-99% CPU time. The UW-SCSI on these accellerators is 40MBps max and as said before, uses about 20% CPU time maximum. So yes, it is quite a bit slower and less useful generally.
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by NightShade737 on 2004/3/12 15:07:31
The flyer would achieve a maximum of 16.6MBps in PIO mode 4 (or 5 depending on how you look at it) and would use 80-99% CPU time. The UW-SCSI on these accellerators is 40MBps max and as said before, uses about 20% CPU time maximum. So yes, it is quite a bit slower and less useful generally.
onestly, i've never seen a PowerFlyer, to go more than 7-8 MBsec (with a 060) and no more than 5 MBsec with a 040 (with quite 100% of CPU usage).
So, IMHO DMA UW-SCSI is the optimal solution even with those SCSI2IDE adapter. (~8 MBsec with a modern and cheap IDE disk).
Ciao
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Yeah, thats pretty much why I said Max.
Currently my drive scores about 1.5MBps, so when my CSPPC arrives and my new UWSCSI drive I think I may be somewhat pleased :)
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Anyway chums,
Morely back on topic. What would happen if this "geezer" was ripping us off. What can we do about it? I am giving him two payments (already sent first one) and he says he is sending the card after first payment. Payment was £115.
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Well I paid by Credit Card, so the CC company would chase after him on my behalf...
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Hi CU_AMiGA,
have you got a real name/address from those guy?
He lives in Germany? and, sorry but i don't remember if you too?
I think should be only a shipment delay. It is too early, to think to a ripping IMHO.
Good luck :-)
Ciao
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Hi framiga,
Yes i have his address and name. It is correct cos i compared it with other people and we all had the same. I live in Exeter, England so i should get it next week, hopefully. I was only saying if he were to rip us off, i wasn't saying it just yet! :-)
Cheers
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Has anyone had any joy yet?
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Unfortunately no. I did get an email from home last wednesday telling me that my money had successfully transfered to his bank account and he posted the card the same day. Judging by how long things usually take I should have it today or tomorrow.
~Hopefully~.
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Has anyone tried buying a CyberVisionPPC/BlizzardVisionPPC from him?
When the ad was put up on amibench I sent him a mail telling him I wanted to buy a CVPPC. 6 days later I got an ok and some payment instructions. Sent him a reply asking a bit about payment details, but I still havent heard anything from him. I have also tried nagging a bit and sent him another mail 5 days ago, asking if he still was selling the card, but no reply.
*sulks a bit* :(
/Patrik
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He has run out of the higher end BlizPPC cards now, but in general he didn't take more than a few days to answer peoples e-mails.
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@NightShade737:
It was the CyberVisionPPC/BlizzardVisionPPC graphic cards I was talking about :).
/Patrik
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That seems a bit odd; cos most of us have had lots of correspondance with him (Myself included). Never more than 24 hours later for a reply. Maybe your email got lost in cyberspace?
If I was you, I'd give it a few days before bothering to get in contact again though, cos it will be a few days before he is confirmed as genuine or not (I decided to not buy in the end, based on a gut instinct).
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He's normally away on Saturdays, so dont expect a response then, but normally, yeah a short amount of time.
Oh yeah, BVs :) Whoops.
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My card has only had 3 business days of shipping time so far, so if I'm lucky I will receive it on Friday, earliest. Realistically, it should get here (assuming this is not a scam) sometime mid-next week. I'll post more updates.
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He has just recieved my money, and he said he is going to send me the card either today or tomorrow. Hopefully i should get it in the coming weeks, and my Amiga could be repaired, here's hoping for a happy ending. :-) Anyone else got any updates?
Cheers,
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
He has just recieved my money, and he said he is going to send me the card either today or tomorrow. Hopefully i should get it in the coming weeks, and my Amiga could be repaired, here's hoping for a happy ending. :-) Anyone else got any updates?
Cheers,
You are welcome to send me your old, dead PPC if you like.
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@bloodhound,
Yeah. I may start a bidding war and post the sale on Amiga.org. Not expecting too much money. But want as much as i can, as i am a college student. I will be honest and say it has signs of over heating.
Cheers,
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
@bloodhound,
Yeah. I may start a bidding war and post the sale on Amiga.org. Not expecting too much money. But want as much as i can, as i am a college student. I will be honest and say it has signs of over heating.
Cheers,
I never said I'd pay for it!! :-D
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@bloodhound,
Oh you pesky dog you! :lol:
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When I saw this thread had resurfaced today, I thought great! Someone's received their board. But no. No word yet, even tho' the first ones really should have arrived by now.
Having been scammed out of £200 by the Silica stores collapse a few years ago, I'm beginning to have a very, very slight feeling of deja vu.
We've not been shafted, have we? Tell me we've not been shafted! OK, tomorrow's another day and they'll be here.....they will be here!
JaX
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About my BPPC order.
I will start panicing only if I don't receive it within 3 weeks. So far, it's been in transit for 5 business days. Still too early to jump to conclusions, as the card was shipped from Germany and I'm in Canada.
I hope things go alright. Can't wait to see if someone actually makes a post with a confirmation of receival. :-)
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I ordered one of the CyberStorms for an A4000 I picked up recently. I have bought from this group before (an 060) and received it fine all the way down here in Australia so I am hoping to have a 2nd good expirience with them :)
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This i fun i bought one 2 and are still waiting for the card.. But i checked this guy out.. his address dosent match with the name that he gave in the mail.. but its good that germany have a phone book on the net.. so i have this guys real address and other info if ppl dont get there stuff. For more info mail me at flowman@flowman.ath.cx . And its now gone 2 weeks since i orderd my card.. and swedish post office told me it should take up to 5 working days.. hmm werid =)
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I have ordered a BlizzardPPC too. I got an E-mail yesterday that the money has arrived and he is sending it today.
With a bit of luck I will have it next week or the week thereafter. The post offices don't allways work that quickly.
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Yeah, I would call 5 working days optimistic. It has taken up to 3 months for some parcels to arrive when I ordered from abroad.
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On the other hand, Germany is very close to Sweden. It should not take more than 7 to 10 business days, from Germany to Sweden.
/Jörgen
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Has he actually mentioned HOW he is shipping them to anyone? For instance, via TNT or EMS I can get stuff from Hong Kong to the UK in less than 3 days, but via normal parcel service, stuff from the US to the UK takes a few weeks, normally more.
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No had hasn't. But I did send him an email asking how he did send it. He charged me £11 for postage so I take it most be some sort of standard parcel thing. Does anyone know about mail in Germany?
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OK, on the assumption that my card will arrive sometime in the near future, can anyone confirm the type of SIMMs the BPPC/060 will accept.
Am I right in thinking the standard, double-sided 72-pin SIMMs (EDO and/or FPM) are OK?
Cheers,
JaX
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JaXanim wrote:
OK, on the assumption that my card will arrive sometime in the near future, can anyone confirm the type of SIMMs the BPPC/060 will accept.
Am I right in thinking the standard, double-sided 72-pin SIMMs (EDO and/or FPM) are OK?
Cheers,
JaX
yup
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I remember seeing quite a few posts about people saying that their card died from using EDO SIMMs (but were ok again if they changed back to FPM) but it happened over time.
Do either the BPPC or the CSPPC take advantage of EDO SIMMs or do they just ignore the extra features anyway?
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NightShade737 wrote:
I remember seeing quite a few posts about people saying that their card died from using EDO SIMMs (but were ok again if they changed back to FPM) but it happened over time.
Do either the BPPC or the CSPPC take advantage of EDO SIMMs or do they just ignore the extra features anyway?
I've only ever used EDO simms in my Blizzards. They just ignore any "extra" features.
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Hi Folks, :-)
I think we sent the money to his secretary or something, he told me. Cos i managed to write both his and her name down!!! :lol: It too cost me £11 for the postage, so i take it he would use some kind of postage/parcel thingy. I remember buying a PPC card from someone in England, and it took just over a week for me to recieve it. So i think i should recieve it later next week or early week after. Surely too many people have brought the PPC cxards for this to be a scam, surely?!
Cheers,
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@CU_AMiGA:
I sure hope you are right. :-)
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@Del Boy,
This time next week i'll have a PPC card! :-)
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@CU_AMiGA:
You know it makes sense. :-)
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x56h34 wrote:
@CU_AMiGA:
You know it makes sense. :-)
Cushty :-)
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posts++;
:roll:
:-D
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@that_punk_guy,
YOU PLONKER! :lol:
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@CU_AMiGA:
He's a saucey little git. Ere, put a kettle on. :-)
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YOU DIP STICK!
This thread should be renamed "The Only Fools And Horses Talk About Thread!" :lol:
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I'm gonna go for a couple of nice big SIMMs.
Then it'll all be just PERFICK!
JaX
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So if I were to ask why you put your trust in this guy and sent him your money, they answer would be, "He who dares wins Rodders, he who dares wins...."
sigh, aimlessly quoting sitcoms....:-)
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@Cyberus
:lol:
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Surely someone has recieved one by now?
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Paid him 2 weeks and 3 days ago.. and still waiting =)
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bye bye money :-(
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Don't appreciate the pessemism.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I was quoted 10-14 business days until the item arrives to Canada. So far it's only been 7.
Too early to worry seriously on my end, but I don't know about how long it should take for orders within Europe to be delivered. I suggest e-mailing him and asking for an estimate.
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Was just offered one 240 060 SCSI by him, as one buyer apparently dropped out. But this thread better turn out good before i throw money in his general direction!!!
Cheers
Haymigga
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I once sent a PPC card from Germany to Spain and it took about 3 weeks. The german post system is quite slow. Letters and things are no Problem, but when it comes to pacels it can take even one whole week to deliver just in germany.
If you don`t live in the direct neighberhood, like France or the Netherlands I would expect 3-4 weeks for the pacel to be delivered.
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Yes, surely there are too many people for him to rip off.
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Is there anyone that has got their cards yet?
/Jörgen
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Nope still waiting.. Have gone 3 weeks on friday. =)
And when i mail the guy i never get replays anymore.
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Just emailed the guy asking how long it would take for me to recieve the PPC card. Lets see if i get a reply! :-)
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I mailed him 17 March with the same question.
No reply so far.
JaX
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So if this turns out to be a scam, will you all join forces and go to Germany to kick his butt?
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Did anyone ever get any pix of what he was selling???
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Maybe you guys should have clubed together, and bought them as a complete lot, through a contract...
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After going through this complete thread again, I noticed that prowler has bought (and received) stuff from this guy before.
Maybe prowler would elaborate a bit on that deal and try to reassure the rest of us that this one is (hopefully) legit?
@Bloodline
Ah, hindsight....
Cheers,
JaX
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@tangletown
YES!
By the way. I mailed him about if he had already received the money on his bank account and didn't got a reply so far.. that was around 4 days ago...
I'm starting to get pissed :-x
Hopefully things will turn out to be ok...
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JaXanim wrote:
After going through this complete thread again, I noticed that prowler has bought (and received) stuff from this guy before.
Maybe prowler would elaborate a bit on that deal and try to reassure the rest of us that this one is (hopefully) legit?
@Bloodline
Ah, hindsight....
Cheers,
JaX
The person I have been dealing with this time is different to the person I dealt with last time but the details (postal address, bank details etc) are the same. When I received the CyberStorm MKI the first time, it included a printout for a few pages and I was told that they have an Amiga club where they sell Amiga HW/SW etc and that I may be interested in buying stuff from it. I am assuming the person I am currently dealing with has something to do with this club.
It took a while for the package to turn up. Living at the arse end of the world, it tends to take some time for overseas packages to turn up .
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He does have something to do with the club, as I think me mentioned it in the first or second e-mail I had from him.
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Anyone got the addres to the hungarian Tibor guy.. cuz im going to visit hungary this week =) and can visit him if ppl want info =) or did everyone send money to the binder guy ?
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I wasn't aware that there was a choice. When I was going to buy from them, they were still pretending to be one person.
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JaX[/quote]
It took a while for the package to turn up. Living at the arse end of the world, it tends to take some time for overseas packages to turn up .[/quote]
So YOU think you live at the arse end of the world?? What about me then?? Last time i ordered an Amiga item from Australia...it took more than 4 months to arrive!! (well, at least it arrived, i have lost count on how many times items never arrived). In the past, things were worst, when i used to live in Patagonia. Now that im in Buenos Aires, things are a little (just a little) better. But i still i got the record of being the most difficult amiga user in the world to reach
:-D
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HHHMMM!!! No reply as yet. One thing that bother me. How come it takes within a week for me to send the money via registered and it takes +2 weeks for me to recieve this card. I mean, it isn't as if the card is big or anything.
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Doesn't matter. Envelopes are still handeled completely differently than packages of any size :(
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Pity
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I still would have requested PIx before I laid out any money..
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doh........
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Nothing yet over here either. I am slowly starting to get worried. However I will not panic just yet. I'll save that until the end of the week.
It's normal that I haven't received anything yet, but how come no one in Europe received their goods by now? :-?
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Don't panic guys!!! I'm sure it will all be fine in the end... right who's up for a sing song?
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@thread
Can anyone of you that were told that the cards were already shipped ask him for the tracking nr.? It would be stupid to have the cards shipped without insurance, and I think all insured stuff gets a tracking nr.
So just ask for the nr. and you can track it using the site of the posting service he used.
It's also a way for we to be more relieved...or not...
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Following up on a URL he included in his emails to me, I've managed to get to HERE (http://www.amiga-club-guide.de/deutschland/badenwuerttemberg/index.php).
I hope one and the same town rings bells with everyone.
I wonder if any German speakers in this thread can figure out a way of verifying the individual concerned via this page? Maybe if one of these societies is the 'Amiga Club' in question, maybe we can get some sort of independent feedback?
Cheers,
JaX
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As i asked befor.. im going down to hungary tomorrow.. so if someone have tibors address i can go and visit him and ask status on all our cards.. Cuz they dont replay on mails anymore and didnt recive any trackin nr when i asked about how they sent the package.. And its almost gone 3 weeks now. =)
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How come you dont have his address if you have bought a card from him?
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@flowman
That was not the name on my cheque!
Tibor has sent all the emails I've received, but the payee was another name. I will pm you those details if you wish.
JaX
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Moderated: Please dont post personal information about others.
I don't think Tibor Toth is a name as it is in speechmarks, I think it is just a net handle.
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OK, here's what I found out by doing a little detective work.
Bernd's direct e-mail address is: Kralle1@web.de as revealed per Google Groups search. I've found only one post related to him and it was dated from 2002. In it, a german guy is recommending Bernd to another German guy about being a good source for Kick 2.0 and Paula chips.
If you type Kralle1@web.de or TTAmiga@gmx.de e-mails in PayPal send money option, you will see that it's the same person (e.g. both accounts registered with PayPal).
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I've just emailed a contact at the Computer (Amiga) Club Albstadt to see if Tibor/Bernd are members there.
JaX
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@NightShade737
Those are the details I have too. That's the address I posted my cheque to.
Surely, he wouldn't spread his bank account details around if he wasn't legit would he?
Maybe he's got the flu. Maybe he's had to go away with his job. There could be all sorts of simple reasons why he doesn't reply.
But where the Hell are those cards..!!!
JaX
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I think you all need to sit back and relax a while yet :-)
Stop getting each other wound up about this being a hoax. I think if you give it another week boards will start to arrive.
Either way please dont post others contact details and bank details into these forums.
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Yeh I agree, be patient. But I suggest all of you that bought the boards from him swap contact details, it would help to tackle the problem as a team if you do get shafted...
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Ryu: I don't think he is being shy with those details as he sent it all out in a text file to anyone who even mentioned the cards, which is why I posted it.
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Oh you are talking about Bernd Binder. In that case I can nearly garantee you that everything is all right. I have bought something from him quite some time ago. I can remember that it took some time to arrive, but I did get it. I get mails from him occasionally with an actual list of things his club has to sell.
In his last mail (in December) he wrote that he is sorry he hasn`t answered his mails for some time, but he has to go to the hospital frequently.
So maybe he ist in hospital for some days again right now.
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Well that is good news (all but the hospital part). It makes me feel slightly better.
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Well, at least putting up the name has brought some new insight to this thread. Thanks to Lemmink, we now know the guy is (most probably) legit and his absence in recent days is explained.
Sometimes, breaking the rules does serve a useful purpose.
Many thanks Lemmink for joining the discussion and shedding a little light into peoples' gloom. Let's all take it easy and dream about what we'll be doing with that PPC!
[EDIT: BTW, I just bought 256Mb RAM for twenty quid plus postage. Now is that a deal, or is that a deal...?!]
Cheers,
JaX
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Taken from the posting guidelines http://www.amiga.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=6 (http://www.amiga.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=6):
Respect the privacy of others.
Do not post other's phone numbers, addresses, pictures, etc., without their express permission. You wouldn't like it done to you, so don't do it.
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Sorry for the guy being in hospital... proves that one should not hurry in judging things...Hmm, he still could've warned us but we really don't know what happened.
@JaXanim
"BTW, I just bought 256Mb RAM for twenty quid plus postage. Now is that a deal, or is that a deal...?!]"
WHERE??
Single sided or double sided?
Can the BlizzPPC take double sided ones?
I'll need some for mine too...
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about the simms...
...one of my auctions probably.
there's one up now, buy now 40UKP, and minimum bid 15UKP.
But...i'm not advertising here...well not much!
Although it's highly likely that I will bring some to AMIBG if anyone's going there. I have a bunch of them so :)
Hope you all will enjoy your BPPC's, I know that he has one BPPC 060 240MHZ SCSI edition left, as I've decided not to buy that and instead focus on buying an A1G4XE...probably also at AMIBG! :)
Cheers all!
Haymigga
2x128 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3470457961&category=4611)
p.s. I'm selling them to a lower price now as I've gotten them cheaper than last time around + I need the money for varius stuff!
p.p.s. JaXanim; just got your paypal, will go to postoffice in a little while...have to get a washcard anyway...
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@Haymiggan:
no, it was me ;-)
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haymiggan wrote:
about the simms...
...one of my auctions probably.
there's one up now, buy now 40UKP, and minimum bid 15UKP.
UKP?
Ukranian Kronish Pounds? :-)
GBP = Great British Pounds
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ;-)
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Considering i have already brought some from him, i am in a position to say that i very much recommend buying them 128meg simms from haymiggan! Just wish i waited as i would have got them £20 cheaper! :lol:
Lets just hope that we get them cards soon, if what is said is true then there is nothing to worry about.
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I've just had a reply to my email to 'TT' on 17 March. He's been travelling, but is now back. He confirmed receipt of my cheque and promised delivery next week.
Anyone with outstanding emails or new queries should get more response now.
Cheers,
JaX
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Got one a little while ago too:
I sent it by "Deutsche Post" (german post). It have to come at least next
week.
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I also got confirmation that my money had turned up and that he will be posting it tomorrow.
As for RAM, I am lucky. Where I work, we went through and upgraded a whole bunch of old machines and the memory that came out of them was 32Meg EDO Simms, so I am set. I just need the card to turn up to use them in now :)
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Are they 72 pin though?
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Hello,
I also got a reply from him when checking email this morning. He said it would take 10-14 days for me to recieve it, or so that is what they told him at the post office. Hopefully it shouldn't be long now then. Any other news?
Email exchange:
> How long will it be before i recieve the accelerator.
> Just wondering, as it has been just over a wekk now.
Yes- but it needs 10 - 14 days (they told me at the post office).
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NightShade737 wrote:
Are they 72 pin though?
Indeed they are. I am currently using 4 of them in a CyberStorm MKI (Which doesnt't seem to like OS3.9 )
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Quick update... got an email today from Bernt, saying sorry for not replying sooner, and that my card was mailed on the 17th. But it'll take between 7 and 14 days for delivery.
Anyone else got theirs yet?
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It's friday and I've checked my mail for today and still nothing. I've also received a reply to my question, so I guess as long as we stay in touch I am not too worried, but damn...now I have to wait until Monday, or more.
I hope that I'll get the card sometime next week. This waiting and anticipation are killing me. :-(
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There's an old English proverb which seems appropriate here.
'Everything comes to him who waits'.
I've found it to be so true and quote it to myself as often as necessary.
Cheers,
JaX
(Prospective PPC owner and eternal optimist)
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JaXanim wrote:
There's an old English proverb which seems appropriate here.
(Prospective PPC owner and eternal optimist)
Yes, but is the one you are looking for is:
Pessamists never recieve nasty surprises !!
Seriously, from what you and others have said he seems genuine - why bother to respond to all of your e-mails if he has recieved your cash if he is only after shafting you??
I would not worry too much if I were in your shoes.
But KEEP US UPDATED = only coz its better than "Days of Our Lives" !! :-D :-D
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@AccyD
Yes, how bitter-sweet is this thread! We're already onto page 8 and nobody's even received their card yet! This will certainly be so if the Deutsches Postes is as tardy as some would suggest. Indeed, it could well become the most read thread in Aorg history!
Or not: for we all know that once they have all arrived safe and sound and have got settled into those towers and desktops, this thread will surely die. Oh what will we have to talk about then...??
I suppose the difference between pessimism and optimism would be a good topic...? And as far as that goes, I believe pessimists always live longer than optimists. Well they would wouldn't they...? Think about it.
Cheers,
JaX
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According to him, i should recieve it by near end next week, as he sent it 2 tuesdays ago and he said it would take between 10-14 days. But i might treat this like the Amiga OS 4 release date and double his prediction! :-P I suggest everyone else do the same, as he seems geniune and he replies still to emails/queries.
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So, it's Optimists..2 so far.
Anyone else wanna join?
JaX
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@ Jax
Don't forget - [To paraphrase the footie community] It's not over 'til the postman sings!! :-D
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@AccyD
Er, I think that should be the fat postman....it's not over till the fat postman sings. Well, it's something like that.
And our postman is fat. In fact he's very fat. That's a good sign I think. (Optimism)
On the other hand, I never heard him sing. He never sings! (Pessimism)
Doh....
JaX
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Just thought I should mention that I still haven't received my card. :-( Any luck, anyone else?
It was "sent" to me 16 business days ago or if we count the weekends too, then 22 days. Meanwhile I received another package from Germany (also a BPPC card but from another person) and it arived within 3 business days by airmail! I'm not kidding. I paid 12EUR for that shipment and 30EUR for Tibor's, and look at the difference in receival time. I'm not jumping to conclusions yet, but I am very close to...
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Nope. Haven't got mine either. He has posted them using some sort of "premium" postage service which aparently could take up a month!
When I saw this thread reappear I was hoping someone had receieved theirs :(
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Hello!
I have got mine from Vesalia now. I ordered it the 5:th of March and they did not ship it until the 23:d of March. That is 5 business days for the shipment to arrive from Germany to Sweden. I'm going to pick it up today. I hope it will work, but that I will see tonight, when I put it in my A1200... :)
/Jörgen
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Maybe i should recommend him to using another postage service! :-D - You gotta laugh!
Seriously, if i don't get it by this Monday coming, i am going to start to ask a few questions, he ain't getting second payment until i recieve card. He said it would take 10-14 days to get here, and it has been well over 20. How the hell could it take a month when he said 10-14 days?
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Perhaps our cards are stuck in customs. That's the only explanation I can think of for the delay.
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My cheque was cleared on 19 March so the end of next week will make three weeks since payment. That really should be enough time to get here (UK), shouldn't it.
Cheers,
JaX
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Well, as I've said, it could be that customs have our items, if indeed he used Premium German Post shipping, because as such it's a target for more detailed inspection and if so, you "COULD" get additional delays. This "superior" type of shipping offers insurance and tracking usually, however it also has a higher probability than regular airmail to get stuck in customs with these annoying delays.
Anyway, lets wait until Friday night and if nothing arrives by then, we should e-mail Tibor for more info.
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And a nice 20% bonus charge on top....
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x56h34 wrote:
Perhaps our cards are stuck in customs. That's the only explanation I can think of for the delay.
That wouldn't explain parcels sent to EU countries.....
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JaXanim wrote:
@AccyD
Er, I think that should be the fat postman....it's not over till the fat postman sings. Well, it's something like that.
And our postman is fat. In fact he's very fat. That's a good sign I think. (Optimism)
On the other hand, I never heard him sing. He never sings! (Pessimism)
Doh....
JaX
umm, if he never sings isn't that a good thing since it won't be over? anyway :-D
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It have now gone 1 month since he got the money.. sure maybe the post in germany is super duper slow. Gaaaaah i want my card =)
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OK, 24 days after the card was officially "sent", I still have no good news guys. :-( I've checked my mail today (Friday), and there was nothing, as usual...
I've e-mailed Bernd and asked to clarify what's going on.
It's a little discouraging that NO ONE has yet received anything after all this time...worldwide! What does everyone think of this? Is he trying to con us? Is he truthful about sending the cards yet? Perhaps he took the money, but he's yet to gether up the cards and actually send them? Perhaps he used ground/sea shipping in order to squeeze a few extra EUR from us? Bah, I have a headache! :-(
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I have a feeling he has sent it via some stupidly crap shipping method. I just hope he sent them insured/recorded....
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How many here are awaiting these cards? We may need to start thinking as a group on this.
I count eight to ten, but there may be umpteen other people who don't visit Aorg.
I suggest we all Email Bernd TONIGHT and make it clear that we are very concerned over the delay and again ask for his assurance that things are OK.
If this deal goes bad, I hope someone has something constructive to say about what happens next!
JaX
[PS: Just sent the Email to Bernd. Please do the same TONIGHT]
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I will send him an email now. Maybe he's someone from DCE! :-D Maybe we should all tell him we are part of a group and send him a link to this thread, let him know we are on to his little game. Or would that be dangerous?
I WANT PPC CARD! :-x
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Just emailed him. And as for what we could do next there are a few possibilities.
Try and track down the card if it has been sent, if possible.
Get someone that lives in Germany to pay him a "visit".
We all meet up as a group and go down there ourselves!
Any other ideas?
Someone said on this thread though that they know him and he is reliable, apart from the delivery time.
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I WANT PPC CARD! :-x
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Just emailed him. And as for what we could do next there are a few possibilities.
Try and track down the card if it has been sent, if possible.
Get someone that lives in Germany to pay him a "visit".
We all meet up as a group and go down there ourselves!
Any other ideas?
Someone said on this thread though that they know him and he is reliable, apart from the delivery time.
I to want my PPC card as well as the CyberPPC GFX card I ordered. I really want to see some of those PPC demos that have been released over the last few years.
Once (if?) I get it, I should finally have an Ami setup to be proud of :) (And wanted since I was a starving High School student :) ) I have the 4000 waiting, I bought a 3.1 ROM for it to install AmigaOS 3.9 onto, 128Megs of memorya spare 40Gig IDE HD to plug into a budha controller, ethernet card and an old AD516 sound card. All I need is the PPC card, oh and also do that sound fix thing since sound seems to have died on one of the outputs :(
Can we do the trip option? I have never been to Germany before and it is spring there atm isn't it ? I need a holiday ;)
This is only the third time I have ordered anything from overseas and both times before it has taken 2-3 months to get to me :( The date on the postage stamp also matched when they said they posted it. It is definately annoying.
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Have anyone asked for tracking code? In some countries you could track your parcel when it comes to your country. I won ebay auction about a week ago. Seller sended that package to me as economy at 28.03 and it came to Finland at 2.4 German post is using DHL for parcels, they don't have online tracking for these ones, but maybe you could ask from them?
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Anyone heard anything back yet?? :-?
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Nope. Not me anyway.
JaX
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I haven't yet. Anyone else got any reply?
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uh oh. this looks like it might become depressing :nervous:
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I have had no email reply either yet. What we should do is maybe wait until the end of April at the very latest - as that would be over a month since he sent the card. Then we should have to take this situation by the scruff of the neck. What action we should take is another matter. Would we let him know about this thread?
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Guys,
Since no one received their cards yet in ANY country worldwide, it is clear that he probably never sent anything at all. He may be late with availability or something, but I am very pissed in any case.
If he is for real, then he's got terrible skills at selling over the net. His availability to answer questions is practically non-existant.
The question is, what do we do now?
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Keep annoying him? If we keep sending email he has to reply to at least one at some point. I hope.
We could ask him for some sort of proof of postage? If at all possible.
Also, has anyone here actually seen a photo of any of the cards he has? :-?
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Hoya!
I do not want to be pessimistic but it seems you have all been screwed... :-(
It happened to me a couple years ago when I ordered my 06 from a guy. It was supposed to be fitted with 32 MB but I only got 16...
I hope I am wrong... B*stards are part of the peecee world, not of the Amiga one, aren't they?
M A D
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@MAD:
Yes, it looks like so. The fact that no one received anything yet, in my mind, makes that theory in favor of others.
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Has anyone actually asked him if he accepts people for in-person collections and payment? If I was interested in buying, I'd email him and say "Listen mate I live two towns down the road, can I drop around and collect it myself?". If he said "yeah sure. Email me to set up a meeting!", I would write back explaining him I'm not really living in his area, and I would like him to post it to me. Sending that amount of money to a person that no-one has ever heard about before, is just plain stupid! Sorry guys...
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Well if you go back through the thread a bit you'll see a confirmation from Lemmink that the guy was legit when them two have done business in the past.
This still doesn't mean that Bernd didn't con us though.
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Maybe someone should pose as a buyer with a different email account, and then they could see if his response time is different to those he has already recieved money from. If he replies to that first, instead of replying to any of his other mail then you can probably take it that he is a con artist.
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Also, maybe it's time for a roll call, of who has bought something from him, what it was, and how much it was for?
Then you can have a better idea of the scale of things, and clarify if he has over allocated a certain type of card.
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Couple of things id like to say here:
First off, i'd be very much suprised if he wasnt already aware of this thread, its not as if its on some obscure unkown site :-)
Secondly, has anyone phoned him to see whats happening? IIRC someone did have his phone number...
Thirdly, you all have his address, what town does he live in and is there anyone here living local who could call round if things do turn sour?
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I agree that we need a role call and a list of who ordered which card at what cost. With that info, we might be able to get the German police or someone like that interested in the case - should it turn out to be a fraud case.
Maybe Wayne could set up a special page where we could compile this,(?) 'cos I can't see a simple way of doing it otherwise.
I sent a cheque, which may or may not prove useful, but I know some people have used PayPal which is supposed to have a measure of security attached. Maybe they could ask some exploratory questions at PayPal?
Cheers,
JaX
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Too late for PayPal claims. It's been over 30 days. They investigate/help/return money only for claims filed within 30 days after purchase. You could still file a claim, however it is only served as a "feedback type" thing for future buyers to be aware. I can't get the money back through PayPal anymore, so if I must forcefully do it, it will have to be through some other way.
Could it be that I got screwed TWICE in a row for a BPPC 060/240Mhz purchase? LOL, it would be really something...
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JaXanim wrote:
I agree that we need a role call and a list of who ordered which card at what cost. With that info, we might be able to get the German police or someone like that interested in the case - should it turn out to be a fraud case.
Polizei intervention might be useful, but without anyone actually LIVING in germany it would be akward :-(
Maybe Wayne could set up a special page where we could compile this,(?) 'cos I can't see a simple way of doing it otherwise.
no no no no no no no
firstly don't get wayne involved in this :-)
seondly don't get amiga.org involved in this :-D
thirdly i'll set a page if you want :lol:
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I don't quite see what a special page would be useful for. Just have one person edit an initial post to contain all the info.
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why doesnt someone just phone him?
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you mean, using telephone apparatus??????
*gasp* *shock* *horror*
:-D
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Oki as someone said lets think as a group.. I been checking the german phonebook about this guy.. Binder dosent live on the address he added to the emails.. some ppl have sent me the address he use, but in the phonebook its totaly diffrent. And i know some guys in germany that could go and knock on this guys door.. maybe that helps =).
And i got the phone number to if someone wants to call him. I will wait 2 more weeks berfor i send the squad over to his place.
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to which address though? :-? both :S
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Count me in for anything you do. I think we should try to contact him first though, and maybe he has something worth hearing to say, for example tracking numbers for our cards.
I also bought a BlizzardPPC060/240.
Will mail him now...
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I think I'll call my bank and see what advice they can offer.
Meanwhile, if someone can compile a listing, you can start with me:
JaX BPPC240/060 £156
Cheers,
JaX
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Agreed. Let's start collecting info for a.org members:
user: x56h34
paid for: BPPC240/060/SCSI 330EUR (shipping included)
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PM me all ur info and i can start write the list.
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@Flowman:
PM sent.
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Hmm, I have been following this thread and I am a bit confused. Although it has been around 3 years or so I had business with Bernd Binder it went all right, but I think I recall that it took more time to deliver the goods as it should have taken.
I can`t imagine this being a scam cos` he send out a quite large list of things he/his club has to sell and that for some years being. You can`t get along this long time if you just rip off people.
I have a dug through my cupboard and actually found a small two pages newsletter from 15.02.2001 he included with the pacel he once send me.
If you PM me we can crosscheck his adress and mobile phonenumber, as it is written in the head of the newsletter.
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CyberstormPPC + 128MB RAM £290
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One important thing that crossed my mind:
There are probably some legal deadlines for complaining that we shouldn't miss.
We don't know him, and everything can still turn out to be ok, but that doesn't mean of course that one shouldn't take some measures.
So as a precaution, If someone can still use that paypal protection thing use it to see what the response is.
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BlizzardPPC 060/240mhz + SCSI
300Euro
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Well, it looks like...
(http://home.nc.rr.com/rellis/images/mob.gif)
...is in the process. :-)
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Ok, maybe better. Wait for the last day till you can use the buyer complaint thing on paypal. I still have 3 days. I mailed him today. I'll also call my bank tomorrow and see if it can still be cancelled. If so, I'll also wait for the last day, then cancel it. I don't think I can still cancel the credit card transaction though, :-( I think it's done at the end of the month...
But some of you might still do it.
I say wait till the last day. If you have no confirmation of your cards then cancel it.
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Er....maybe a stupid question, but have you guys already tried phoning the seller :-?.
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https://www.paypal.com/row/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_buyer_complaint (http://Check here the paypal protection scheme)
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@x56h34
No. :-) Just be cool. I think there is still good chance that this might work out ok. I'm just suggesting the above measures as precaution, not saying the guy stealed us.
But if I don't get any confiramtion till the last day I'll fill a complaint.
Actually besides each one complaining, we should all gather and contact Paypal together, cause that will have more impact.
But let's hope there is no problem.
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Jose wrote:
https://www.paypal.com/row/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_buyer_complaint (http://Check here the paypal protection scheme)
wrong way around :-)
Click here for the paypal protection scheme (https://www.paypal.com/row/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_buyer_complaint)
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err... is me and odin being ignored? instead of rolling out the war machine phone him for crying out loud!.
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I don't think we have his number yet.
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Heck, if the problem is that the guy doesn't speak English and none of you speak German, I'd be happy to try to phone him. Then again, I gather he emailed in English so that wouldn't be the problem I think :-)
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I don't think we have his number yet
Tried the German phonedirectory (http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/)? :-).
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@Ryu
You're not being ignored:) I'd like to hear the results of the phonecall too.
But you have to keep in mind that this is probably the only easy way that we have to protect ourselves.
Filing a complaint makes Paypal ask the seller for a proof that he has sent the goods.
Even if he can't do that, the complaint can still be cancelled if we later receive the cards. So he has nothing to lose. But we have!. I do not know how much time passes after he his found to be fraudulent though. But looking at some FAQs in the paypal site the investigation from Paypal can last up to 30 days. There's also probably feedback from the buyer seller and Paypal during that time so we can arrange any mistake.
I really hope this has a cool end..
I do know that if people start complaining some sellers don't like it and that really screw the buyers, but again, this is probably the only easy way to protect ourselves, and I've already sent him an email exaplaining exactly this...I don't think he has anything to lose if he shipped the card and I file a complaint.
Meanwhile please post here any results if someone calls him.
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flowman has already said in this thread he has the sellers phone number.
All im saying is give the guy a chance and phone him before you get your pitch forks out and go off marching, you never know what unforseen circumstances there might be.
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i'd check if there are several ppc cards being sold elsewhere :-( but since you don't even have pictures you can't compare... :-( :-(
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@earlier poster
The reason why the address doesn't match with his name in the phone directory is because we sent the money to his secretary.
Blizzard PPC 240/060mhz
Paid £115 1st postage and paying £45 next (when recieved card! :-) ).
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I really do think we should wait a bit longer. It simply could be the s**t postage coming out of Germany that's causing the delays. Someone also mentioned that he goes in and out of hospital regularly. Maybe he's just in there at the moment as is unable to reply to emails. I'd be interested in hearing the outcome of a phone call though...
I know it's frustrating because I really want my card too but lets hang on a bit. :)
There's no reason why a list cant be compiled though just in case it is fraud... Mine's a Blizzard 210/060 w. 64mb.
8-)
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The point is though, for 11 euros he should have sent it via courier which would have been about 3 days delivery max.
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:O
I wasn't all that worried about anything going wrong since I had only recently bought something from Bernd a few months ago but all this talk is starting to make me nervous.
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I think this guy is ok.. have been surfing around for his name and amiga.. Look like he was a buyer for some type of amiga club. Think its only the german post office that have trashed all our packages.. :-P But he could start replaying on the mails
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Hm, I just had a first hand experience with postal services mucking up. Ryu sent me a PCMCIA NIC on Feb. 26th. I only received it today :crazy:.
So there's hope for you all yet :-).
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Can you people just knock it of and start acting your age!
The postal service can screw up things plenty so just wait before you start ruining this guy's live.
I also ordered a card and I'm not worried one bit. I'm sure it will show up and if not; tough luck.
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@ PulsatingQuasar
You got a point. And he kind of made us a favour for selling the cards like that, if they're new.
I'll wait a bit longer. He deserves it.
What concerns me is, if it does go wrong we won't have Paypal to complain to anymore, so what will we do then?
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@Jose
Absolutely nothing!! That's the way it works in every country. People that get it over their hart to scam and don't care have the entire world. And these things happen everywhere politics, companies. The law has never been written in such a way that police can do anything against it. And why is that...... Oh unless you steal a crate of beer. Then you are a BIG criminal.
In the Netherlands there is this site where you can jointly buy stuff to get it cheaper because you buy a lot in bulk. Recently such an action appeared where a lot of laptops and PC's where offered for a good price from a bankrupt company.
To make a long story short, this was a scam, I lost 350 euro's, and the total scam money was about 50000 euro. The police still have to start a real investigation but we allready know that the bank account this money was placed on is empty. Bye bye money and that's really the end of it.
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Actually I paid by Credit Card for this exact reason. I'm protected.
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[color=FF0000]CALL THE GUY!!!!!!!!!!!![/color][/b][/u]
......
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Guys, I've just found out his eBay username. It's "kralle900", and you can check out his (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=kralle900&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50) current auctions listed. There's plenty of them. He's been listing them for the past few days. Why hasn't he responded to our e-mails yet, if he's regulary on the computer?
On a positive note, his feedback is 100% good.
So has anyone called him yet? :-)
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x56h34 wrote:
Guys, I've just found out his eBay username. It's "kralle900", and you can check out his (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=kralle900&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50) current auctions listed. There's plenty of them. He's been listing them for the past few days. Why hasn't he responded to our e-mails yet, if he's regulary on the computer?
On a positive note, his feedback is 100% good.
and he's still selling amiga things...
x56h34, well done, but how did you find out? :-D
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@sir_inferno:
Well I've decided to do a search for "Blizzard, Amiga, Phase" with Search in Descriptions option checked, in hope to find Bernd, that is if he existed on eBay, and luckily it worked. :-)
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Good work Del Boy! :-)
Okay. Lets wait until the end of April, that *SHOULD* be long enough! (i hope)
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So your all happy to post here as if your on a witch hunt, but none of you has the sense to phone the guy?
madness I tell ya...
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We're too scared to Mr Street Fighter person. Maybe you should! (cheeky stuff!). Nah, if i get nothing by the end of April, i will then phone him up. If someone gives my his number that is.
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No news I guess?
I've tried to contact Mr Binder via his Ebay ID 'kralle900' but for some reason, IB2.3 doesn't appear to work properly with this part of Ebay (?).
I notice that 'kralle900' is located in Albstadt (Mr Binder's postal address). He appears to be a most prolific seller with a 100% positive rating. I just wondered if making contact via the Ebay messager system would get better results. Unfortunately IB/Ebay is having none of it!
Anyone with a PC feel like having a go?
Cheers,
JaX
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He replied a few days ago saying that he'll take a closer look as to why I still didn't get the card. He asked for my address again to see if he made a mistake when writing it on the shipping box. That's about all the news I have.
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well if none of you have the backbone to phone the guy yourself pass me the phone number, names of the guys involved, cards purchaces and price and I'll phone him myself.....
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Did anyone give Ryu his phone number? :-?
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Probably not. I didn't get a reply to that email, so i sent him another one. Anyone else got any news?
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(http://www.x56h34.com/avatars/rodney.jpg)
I told you CU_AMiGA, I've got executive qualifications. I just bought another load of PPC cards off Bernd.
(http://www.x56h34.com/avatars/delboy2.jpg)
What a 24 carat plonker you really are!
:-D
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:lol:
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Are we up in 2 month now or what ?? =) i love waiting..
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Well...since no one has bothered to phone the guy, I think it's safe to say nobody really cares whether they actually receive their cards......:roll:
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Hey guys!! I've got 20 new BlizzPPC 060/240 cards o sell for £100 each. If you could just just put the money directly into my "special" bank account in the Cayman Islands, that would be great... and the cards will be shipped as soon as possbile*
ok... now will some one phone the guy?
*Please allow 28years for delivery, refunds not available
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I haven't his got his number. Ryu volunteered to phone him up if someone gave him the number. I think we should still wait until the end of April, and if still nothing.... THEN WE LAUNCH PLAN B..... - So he'd better watch out! :lol:
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bloodline wrote:
Hey guys!! I've got 20 new BlizzPPC 060/240 cards o sell for £100 each. If you could just just put the money directly into my "special" bank account in the Cayman Islands, that would be great... and the cards will be shipped as soon as possbile*
ok... now will some one phone the guy?
*Please allow 28years for delivery, refunds not available
Hmmph, I have a BlizzPPC 060@50/240 with SCSI kit and 256MB already installed. I'm willing to let it go at the bargain price of 200GBP/300Euro, as I'm going on holiday next week and need the cash.
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It's not that we don't wanna phone him. We are just giving it more time as CU_AMiGA said, until the end of the month before we take further actions. I have received a reply from Bernd about 4 days ago so it seems that he is not running away or anything, for now.
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Well, the fact that Mr Binder is still around and contactable (though not so easily) and the fact he is responding, says something I suppose.
This is the weirdest deal I've ever been part of!
Cheers,
JaX
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I'm not too sure what those who keep saying "PHONE HIM!" are expecting.
This is how it will probably go:
bring bring!
>Hallo?
Hello, I bought a card from you and I still haven't got it
>So?
Well I want to know as to whether you are a crook or not
>...I'm not
Oh goody! Well, that's me convinced
Hangs up
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-double post-
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I must say, I sincereley hope this deal has an happy ending, even if that means I missed an oppurtinity to buy a nicely priced Cyberstorm :-)
If somebody is succesful in pulling a fraud this size on such a small community, something is wrong. I never thought crooks this size existed in the Amiga community.
Good luck to all of you who have paid money for the PPC boards, looks like you're going to need it now...
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Talking of Plan B, has anyone got the foggiest idea what that might be?
Just a thought...but I still think this will pan out OK.
It's just too unsubtle to be a fraud.
Cheers,
JaX
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COW! :laughing:
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Er... Plan B... Does anyone know anyone who lives anywhere near him? Or perhaps can speak German and get a better discussion out of him on the phone than we can?
How about contacting the postal service he used to see if we can any information about the packages? For all we know they could be stuck in some sort of customs service "ready to me looked over" or something. Stranger things have happened ;)
I sent him yet another email telling him that I'm now getting worried. No reply as yet. ~sigh~
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I'm sorry to inform you all that I've also tried to buy a CSPPC 604/233Mhz from this guy. I saw his ad at AmiBench and asked him if he had any cards left. He said they all had been sold already. A week or two later, he emaild me and he said that 'a guy' claimed to have sent money to him, but he never got it. Thus, he had a card over and wondered if I was interested. I was, and we agreed that I should transfer 350 euros to him. He offered me several payment methods, but I wired the money directly from my bank to his instead.
This was 10 days ago. To my surprise, I found this thread when searching for 'Binder' and 'PPC'... I'd like to think I haven't been conned, but while reading this thread, I start to think that is the case...
The mailtraffic between us was quite frequent. After I recieved a note from my bank that the money had been transferred, the traffic stopped. I haven't heard from the guy for 10 days. Ok, I know, I should cut him some slack. He might have been in an accident or is on holiday or something. You never know.
Still, I will not give up. I called my bank today to cancel the moneyorder. I will also do my best to track him down. The world is already full of assholes; we don't need another one. I will give Berndt Binder the opportunity to explain his actions. He knows how to contact me.
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@punkpie
Most Germans speak perfect English. Mr Binder's emails to me shows he knows English OK.
Plan B, whatever that my be, wouldn't need a linguist.
JaX
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@preacher
This doesn't really sound like a scam, does it? Waiting a fortnight before asking you to pay doesn't sound like someone who's ready to cut and run.
You don't give your location, but ten days for a deal between Germany and the UK isn't really enough time. Most of the members of this particular group have now been waiting a month or so.
If he's a fraud, he doesn't appear to be worried about the Police knocking on his door! With the amount of money he's received from this, he ought to be long gone!
As I say, it's the weirdest deal I ever saw!
Cheers,
JaX
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Still only takes me about 5 days to get stuff from the US via USPS when it gets caught in customs. I'm not saying it's a scam at all, but the bloke isn't doing this cleanly, something IS going on...
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In the past I have purchased many Amiga products from Germany. The longest it took to get to the USA was 10 Days the shortest being 4 days... Just food for thought. Even if he is legit I would want a partial refund for the massive delay..
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Off topic:-
I think these PPC cards are DCE ones (and not Phase 5). Would the PPC be compatible with my Phase 5 Blizzardvision, also should i be prepared for incompatibility issues?
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They ARE the DCE versions (it was stated in the advert). Strangely enough I have been seeing more issues with Phase5 Blizzard boards than DCE ones lately.
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Guys, at this time, there are two possibilities here and I suspect that #2 is IT.
#1 He is a con
#2 He took the money but is still to acquire the cards from "somewhere". He is probably stalling until he receives the merchandise, but to keep us quiet for now, he claims that the cards have been sent already, and is slow to respond to e-mails.
Anyway, I will give it some more time (end of the month) and then I will personally call Bernd, and the German police, and do whatever necessary to get my money back.
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@JaXanim
I agree with you, to a certain degree. Yes, sending stuff between countries can be a hazzle and the seller can not help this, of course. However, Herr Binder ought to learn how to take care of his customers. In our email thread, I asked for a quick reply when the money showed up on his bank account. He hasn't even done that. And in this forum thread, I read about people that have been waiting for more than a month.
Me, and I'm sure others as well, doesn't accept paying good money for hardware that 'might' show up within the next two months.
I'm pretty convinced that if there were a delay with his cards, he'd tell us. I see no reason why not. Oviously, people wants to buy. If he'd waited until he actually got the cards, he could easily sold them at that point.
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JaXanim wrote:
Plan B, whatever that my be, wouldn't need a linguist.
JaX
plan b is to run up with battleaxes and spears and guns and torches and sacks with doorknobs, and beat the living crap out of him...or something to that effect
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Well mine will be up on ebay shortly after getting it because I am fed up with trying to fix this {bleep}ty ****ing A4000 and I am scrapping the Amigas entirely.
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Does anyone knows anyone in Germany that lives near this guy that could pick up the cards for us? If so, I'll call him to arranje things. I made a Paypal complaint... this has been goint for too long without explanation.
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At least i have no incompatibility problems then.
If this whole thing is a scam, i think i will leave the Amiga community as well. I cannot to afford to be ripped off like that by some {bleep} (if that is the case) by that amount of money, as i am a student.
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If you pop over to Ebay and do an Item by Seller search under Kralle900, you'll see that Mr Binder is actively selling stuff at this very moment.
There is so much stuff on offer here, it must be a full time job keeping everything in order. I notice items which received no bids ending a few days ago are back on offer right now.
So, Mr Binder is up to his neck in Ebay, selling everything from Amiga kit to mobile phones and car parts. The question is, why did he put the PPC cards on AmiBench?
Now when this question was raised early on, it was suggested he probably didn't want the hassle. That's clearly not so. He spends a large part of his time with Ebay, so he could have made a small fortune selling these cards by auction. Check recent PPC auctions, people are going quite mad over PPC stuff.
I have contacted him via the Ebay Members Messager and asked him why our cards haven't arrived. I put it to him that he has sold them before he actually had posession of them (remember they were obtained from bankrupt stock somewhere). I asked him to admit this if it's correct, so we can at least understand the delay.
That is the only reason I can suggest for the current situation. Kralle900's Ebay feedback is 100% good. That applies to stuff sold during the time we have been waiting.
I still feel this deal will be OK in the end, but it's a very bad way of doing business. It's a pity that AmiBench doesn't have an Ebay style feedback system!
IF I get a reply, you'll be the first to know!
Cheers,
JaX
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I AM GOING TO EMAIL HIM AGAIN! :pissed:
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no ones phoned yet then....
@ the dude who was talking out of the wrong end...
Phoning the guy would make a big difference, for starters it will be a voice conversation which is vastly different to bouncing emails back and forth. Plus you will be able to ask questions and get answers straight back, whereas email theres always a delay and the respondant might not bother to reply for days whereas over the phone he doesnt have that privalidge....
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@Ryu,
We are going to wait until the end of April, then ring him. But i am still pissed he isn't replying to emails.
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This is just crazy! I cant believe you all havent got the cards yet! This is why I am a Pegasos user now. I got my Pegasos II motherboard all the way from Germany in 10 days!! 10!!! This guy sounds like he is playing games to me.
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@Acill and other's that are think to leave
"This is why I am a Pegasos user now..."
Ugh? :-? What does that has to do with anything?
We made the choice to make a risky deal in the first place! I can't see why anyone should leave the Amiga because of this.
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@Jose
Maybe they are leaving cos this deal will leave them with a large hole in their pocket and they can't afford to go it again?
@the creep that's talking out of his other end
I don't disagree that calling him will be beneficial in a way that you at least know that the guy is answering his phone and alive but there really is only one question you can ask and that's "Have you sent my card".
If he is genuine and has sent it, all you can expect is a yes, and if he is a con artist then he is still going to say yes. What else is there to ask?
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You lot make me laugh,
you complain but don’t do any thing about it call him all ready I would of after the second week if I sent money and my goods did not arrive.
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There appear to be two Bernd Binders living in Albstadt.
I called the first one today around noon and got an old gent who hardly spoke English. After a very short discussion in my pidgin German, he was clearly the wrong one.
I called the second number and got an answer phone gabbling on in German. I'll call again this evening. This second Mr Binder has a diploma in engineering (Dipl.Ing.FH) which sounds more promising.
Cheers,
JaX
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:nervous:
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I just called Bernd Binder No.2 and he's not our man either. This one's an architect with no interest in the Amiga or Ebay.
He did say that there are 'many' Bernd Binders in Albstadt, though I can see only the two in the online directory. He was aware of one in the Taelsfingen (?) area of the city.
If anyone thinks they have 'our' Bernd Binder's phone number, please PM it to me and I will have another go.
Cheers,
JaX
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Doesn't it give the house number or street name on the online directory?
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Think it is Heusteigstr. 35
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preacher; do you not think you should edit his address out. It's a little unfair on the guy if he is innocent.
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Preacher: Jax already has his address, as if you notice his post, he is looking for them in that particular city.
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@tangletown
True, my mistake. I changed to the street address instead. Thanks for pointing that out.
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@NightShade737
You wrote:
"Doesn't it give the house number or street name on the online directory?"
I replied with his street address, to help narrow the search
in the online directory. So, oviously, Jax didn't have his address.
Either way, I'm just eager to help in any way I can.
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No, my point was, he obviously has his address (Why would he have the city but not the rest?), but he is targetting everyone by that name in that city, which makes me think that the online directory doesn't have the full address (e.g. no Street and number) so he can't match it exactly.
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I just assumed that it's easier to find out what city he lives in, rather than the whole address. Ok, maybe I missed you point, but let's stop our little discussion right here and focus on what's important.
Regards,
Preacher
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OK guys, this is how it is from my standpoint.
I have the same address everyone else has. That's where we sent the money. The online phone directory does give the street addresses, but 'ours' isn't there under Bernd Binder. However, someone here posted that Binder's secretary received the cash, so that address isn't of any use, OK. BTW, whoever posted that info, how did you get it?
So, I've just called the phone/fax number PM'd to me by x56h34. Unfortunately, this isn't recognised! I tried it umpteen times.
@ x56h34
What's the 'Handy' number? Looks like a mobile, which I'm reluctant to call because of the likely cost.
So, at this stage we're back to square one.
Earlier I posted a URL showing all the Amiga clubs in Albstadt. Did anyone follow up on that? ....No..?
I tried emailing one of the sectretaries, but that bounced. I think we should all take another look at this route. There should be at least one of those clubs still running, 'cos Mr Binder is said (again by someone on this list) to be a member of an Amiga Club.
If anyone knows exactly which club is involved, please post it here so we can send some emails.
@Lemmink
I understand from x56h34 that you have some info on this.
Is Lemmink following this thread? If not, could a Mod alert him please?
[EDIT: I just PMd Lemmink myself, cheers.]
Cheers,
JaX
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Handy probably means mobile, but my guess is as good as yours. :-)
Lemmink sent me a scan of a page from Bernd's Amiga related newsletter which was dated way back to 2001. That's how I got the phone numbers. I am pretty sure that that's all the info that Lemmink has about Bernd.
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Oh dear, this doesn't sound good :-(. Isn't there a reverse lookup database of the German phone dictionary? In NL there's a semi-illegal site where you search solely by address or by phone number and lookup the corresponding name.
:nervous:
Oh and 'handy' is indeed German for 'cellphone'.
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Hi all. I fell in the obligation to tell you...
I made a Paypal complaint, wich as you know can last for 30 days or more, but it resumes and the seller is found guilty after 7 days if he doesn't respond. All he has to do is put some answer in a webform. But he has to provide evidence that he shipped the item, like insurance and tracking nr. or whatever.
In one of the mails he sent me he confirmed that he had insured the item ( I asked if he had).
Now can you believe that he let the 7 days pass without saying anything? Paypal automatically recovered around 5 Euros for me dohhhhh:(
I even mailed him when I made the complaint explaining that all I wanted was to be sure he had the cards and that all he had to do was send the tracking nr. to me, or Paypal.
Maybe it wasn't the best choice on my part, but it's done.
And if he had sent the cards, what difficulty would exist in mailing me the insurance form, or the tracking nr.?
Maybe we'll receive the cards in the end, but somethings not right in here. I think we should gather info of all the people who ordered and paid cards to this guy, and act as a group, cause that will have more impact (if any).
But I still think we should send him a mail informing of this and asking for some explanation (as a group). I've already asked for that individually.
Just my opinion. What do you think?
P.S. I'm not as much on the net as some of you, and might take more time reply to this forum....
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Assuming 'kralle900' is indeed Mr Binder's Ebay ID, he hasn't responded to my message sent via the Ebay system.
I couldn't really understand how this ID was picked up, but 'kralle900' is certainly located in Albstadt, so it looks pretty convincing. And he's selling Amiga stuff, which fits even better.
Anyway, I suggest that EVERYONE who's sent Mr Binder money for goods not received should mail him via the Ebay messager service and hope he responds to at least one of them.
As I said earlier, 'kralle900' is very active on Ebay at this moment, so it's worth a shot.
JaX
[EDIT: Maybe (?) we should tell him that the Police will be contacted if this situation isn't resolved pretty soon. What do you all think about this?]
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Maybe we could get someone from Germany to pick up the cards, anyone reading that could do that?
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If it were in North-West Germany I'd be happy to hop over the border in a train. Unfortunately it's all the way down south, near Strassbourg.
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@odin
None of the phone numbers we have collected seem useful.
It might be helpful to know who lives at the address we all sent our money to. And the Police would know where to go, and who to arrest, eh?
How do you find a 'semi-legal' site running a reverse address service in Germany?...? If anyone can figure this out, then please try to get some new info on this!
If we don't help ourselves, then nobody else will!
JaX
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If you guys club together and pay my air fare (+two nights in a 4star hotel), I'll vist the chap and have it out with him for you!
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And you running off with more of the guys' money eh? ;-)
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Right,
I had a check with my email. According to what he said his secretary is called Bernd Binder.
Quote from email:
"> Oh yeah, i also put your name down there as Roland Geiger.
I gave you 03. March the address - you have to send it to Bernd Binder,
our
secretary. What address you used?"
I put down Roland Geiger on the address, which was the name he used on Amibench. Luckily, he said he recieved it anyway. So how about checking Roland Geiger? :-D
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odin wrote:
And you running off with more of the guys' money eh? ;-)
Since it seems so easy to get money out of them, I thought I'd have a go :-D
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That's just mean.
It'll probably be funny after a while, but right now it's a pretty cold comment.
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Roj wrote:
That's just mean.
It'll probably be funny after a while, but right now it's a pretty cold comment.
Hmmm, yeah. good point. :-(
But until they actually phone this guy and find out what's happening, it's still quite a funny situation... Ican't help thinking "The A.org Team".. now who wants to be BA? :-)
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Bagsy I'm Face.
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This is getting stupid!
Are you now saying that Bernd Binder is not the name of the seller?
Why the Hell am I calling Germany for Bernd Binder if he's not the person we want..?...!
I've managed to contact the Albstadt Amiga Club and they've never heard of Bernd Binder!
Who does everyone think we are looking for?
JaX
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Bernd Binder is the name he gave me in the beginning.
Regards
Bernd
is how he ends all his emails to me.
But, there are the names "Roland Geiger" and "Tibor Tóth", that need some researching into.
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Just to say "Roland Geiger" was the name given to search for these cards on Amibench in the first post of this thread.
Good luck sorting this situation out.
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OK, I originally started this thread so I'll try to explain what happened with me. :)
The amibench advert was posted by a guy named Roland Geiger under th email ttami... (I'm not posting the whole thing). But when you actually send an email to his email address it was answered by a man calling himself kralle.
After several emails he told me that his nick was Kralle and that his real name was Bernd Binder. I thought nothing of it and started calling him Bernd from then on.
After a few more emails, regarding how to pay, I came to the conclusion (as many others here had at the time) that it seems too real to be a scam. I even got several methods of paying out of him including his bank account details to set up a transfer. I also made a mistake in my calculation and was about to pay him £20 extra and he corrected me!
Anyone else here have similar conversations with him?
Tibor Tóth, on the other hand, I'm a little unsure about. It seems to be related to the email address he's using (the TT part).
Someone else mentioned here that Bernd is there secretary. Who is he secretary too?
Lee
P.S. Has anyone else noticed if you do a google search for "bernd binder amiga" you get this thread? :)
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@punkpie
It's not surprising this thread has impacted on Google. If this farcical show runs for much longer we'll get listed as the Bernd Binder Research Society!
Laugh..? I'm almost crying...!
JaX
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I think in the general text attachment that was sent to us it says there were various people from the group replying to mails...
So, should we start thinking about what are we going to do?
European union consumer protection (if it it even exists, maybe german..) or police or what? Just the ones I remember right now...
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I'm from Germany and I could try to help you, I could try to phone somebody (if you have an address and a full name) or ask in the German forums of amiga-news.de if somebody knows any of the persons involved.
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@cgutjahr:
That would be great.
I guess we should see first if cgutjahr can locate Bernd Binder, and if he can, then we should forward cgutjahr our information as to what exactly each of us ordered from Bernd, etc., so he could straighten things out, if possible. :-)
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@cgutjahr
At last! Some good news! I think we need some of that.
Is it possible if you could find out if anyone knows Tibor Tóth and/or Roland Geiger too? Maybe we could trace it back to them.
Thanks.
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Good, some local help will be much appreciated. Here's a few facts on the case.
The address to which I sent my cheque, payable to Bernd Binder, is the same address he had in 2001, when he sent a sales brochure to Lemmink. At that time, he used the ID 'Kralle'. The phone number on the letterhead is not recognised today. That could have changed, I guess.
In 2001 his email was 'kralle2@gmx.de' which I posted to, but is no longer recognised.
His current Ebay ID appears to be 'Kralle900' which someone here determined via a Google or something (?). This ID appears convincing 'cos 'Kralle900' is auctioning lots of stuff right now, including Amiga kit and he's located in Albstsdt. That's the place I sent my check, as did most others here I believe.
I have repeatedly sent messages to 'Kralle900' via the Ebay members' messager system, but had no reply. That in itself is suspicious 'cos 'Kralle900' is sending and receiving Ebay feedback right now. I asked him to post something on AmiBench or Amiga.org to show us he isn't a fraud.
There was a 'Kralle1' or 'Kralle2' on Ebay a while back and that had only negative feedback, but there were only one or two auctions under that ID.
Maybe someone would be prepared to bid/win something trivial on a 'Kralle900' auction and use it to make contact? A lot of his stuff goes for a couple of Euros.
I have been unable to find a Bernd Binder at the Albstadt address I sent my check to. I have spoken with the only two Albstsdt/Bernd Binders in the German phone book. Neither is our man. Maybe he is now ex-directory?
I made contact with the only Amiga Computer Club I can find in Albstadt and they haven't heard of Bernd Binder.
There isn't a Roland Geiger in the Albstadt phone book, though there is one 'R. Geiger'. I don't think I will call that number 'cos the connection's too weak. Maybe someone in Germany would call it? ...eh?...Pretty Please!
I will be seeing my Bank Manager next week and I will try to get him to contact Binder's bank. We have his account number. In fact this makes the whole scam idea seem unlikely. Who would give away his account details if he were obtaining money by fraud?
It's all very queer ain't it?
@cgutjahr
If you need anything else, like Binder's full postal address, etc, please PM me or one of the others on here. Many thanks for your offer of assistance.
JaX
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I've had a look at kralle900's ebay feedback and there was one user who left a negative. I've contacted this user via Ebay's system asking if he/she would be willing to provide a phone number/address.
I expect no response though :-).
And I've made a bid on a Cloanto CD kralle900 is selling (for the whopping price of 1EUR %-) ).
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According to his email he said to me that Bernd Binder was his secretary and Roland Geiger seems to be his name - as he used it in his Amibench advert. Anyway, i think we need to act now, this has become a mess and it is nearly the end of the month anyway. Best bet being that someone local should contact him.
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Guys, listen...
The names Bernd Binder, Roland Geiger, Kralle, Tibor Toth and whatever else you have heard, they could all have been used by someone completely else. (BTW, I did a quick look and there are something like 10 different Kralles on ebay...)
Go check with your bank, if you sent money via money-transfer, to get the name of the recipient. Or pester Paypal to give you the account-number of the recipient and check that out. Bear in mind though that non-us Paypal accounts don't have verified addresses. At least mine isn't. Then maybe you'll find that the account is closed and whatever he is named has left with the money, or maybe not. Most low-lifes don't care if they leave their real name though, as they most likely have spent the cash before they get caught.
Just make sure you are chasing the right guy before calling in the cavalry.
Best of luck to you all, I hope the PPC cards turn up or you get your money back.
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Hi all.
My bank phoned me earlier today and said that my moneyorder could not be cancelled because our 'mystery man' told his bank not to refund the money. So, whoever he may be, he's still alive and kicking...
I will try to make contact with his bank directly, to see if that can lead to anything.
@JaX
If I do get a phonenumber, I'll PM you.
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I still got the list with everyone that bought anything from him.. i will post it when im back at my home computer.. And ppl using irc lets join some good chan where we can talk about this..
It if this guy have f**ked us.. we need to send over the killing squad :pissed:
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Send them where exactly?
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If this does turn out to be a scam, then the proper way to deal with it is through the Police. Talk of duffing him up is silly and will land you in an even worse mess. And we don't really know who's who, do we....?
Hopefully, I will soon have a contact at the Albstadt local Police Station, which I will appraise of the situation as and when everyone thinks it's right.
My rough guess is that around a dozen people have sent Binder money amounting to around two thousand Euros. When the list being compiled is ready, we'll know the firm numbers.
Meantime, let's hope our German collegues here on Aorg can get some more local details. And bidding for some cheap Ebay stuff from Kralle900 gets us in more direct contact with our presumed Mr Binder. It would be really useful if several people following this story, but not directly involved, would try to win something from him. That would give us a broader contact base to use.
And before we get too far ahead in all this, maybe Mr Binder is in hospital, or sick or dead even? And doesn't it look like there maybe other people associated with this deal? Maybe they are the real scammers? All I am saying is keep an open mind and avoid doing anything you might regret..
Cheers,
JaX
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JaXanim wrote:
And before we get too far ahead in all this, maybe Mr Binder is in hospital, or sick or dead even?
But still managing to post items on Ebay??
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Update:
I've just tried to send money to both TTAmiga@gmx.de and Kralle1@web.de through PayPal. I used 1EUR just to see what sort of PayPal feedback Bernd has, and to check out if the PayPal account is still active, and I received this message:
"This recipient is currently unable to receive money."
Well, he either did this himself or PayPal has frozen his account due to complaints.
Either way, I think this about confirms it that he is a fraud in my mind...not sure what you guys think.
There's been too many things going on now in order for me to believe that this is all going to work out fine. Frankly, I don't believe it will and I am putting my foot down and calling this a scam.
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@AccyD
Kralle900 appears, through circumstantial evidence, to be Bernd Binder. I haven't seen any proof yet.
If someone here will win one of his auctions, then we'll have the proof. Till then, it's circumstantial.
Cheers,
JaX
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Okay, I read the whole thread now (phew...) and Lemmink gave me a few additional hints (thanks).
I don't think you've been scammed - some of you seem to be overly optimistic (and I'm saying it mildly ;-)) regarding shipping delays - at least not by Bernd Binder himself (the info Lemmink supplied would suggest that the guy is a reliable seller). If this is a scam, somebody probably abused Binder's reputation, but my personal theory is that the seller is simply ignoring you because he sent the stuff and doesn't want to deal with {bleep}loads of very nervous people :-P.
Lemmink supplied me with phone numbers for Bernd Binder that were printed in a newsletter released in December 2003. I'll start by calling these numbers later this evening - I hope their still valid.
In the meantime, you could supple me with all the info you have about all the persons involved (Bernd Binder, Roland Geiger, Tibor Toth - did I miss somebody?). I need the following details for each person (if available):
Full name
e-mail
postal address
phone number
Please only supply info that was given to you by the guys in question, not stuff you investigated yourself.
Additionally, I need to know who recieved the money (Roland, Bernd or Tibor) and who promised to send the stuff (Bernd, it seems?).
If I reach Bernd, I'll ask him for the status of your cards. I tried to collect the information from this thread, but that's useless, as nobody seems to include his real name in his profile. Therefore, please let me know:
- your real name
- the product you ordered
- the amount you paid (preferably in EUR)
You can post the information here, send me a PM or email me (I prefer email over PM)
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@cgutjahr
Your help is much appreciated. Let's hope this sorry situation has a simple answer!
I have sent you an email with all the information I have received directly from the people involved in Germany.
I suggest EVERYONE with a financial interest in this problem sends their information to cgutjahr TONIGHT!
Cheers and thanks,
JaX
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@cgutjahr
Sent you the email. Thanks for you help.
Sorry, I was out last night so I've sent it first thing this morning.
I hope you're right about the postage delays. Next time I buy anything for the EU I'm going to ask for a better postal service ;)
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@@cgutjahr
Checkl you email. Thanks again for the help.
I think that someone else could be Bernd Binder / Roland Geiger. He said his secretary is Bernd Binder, the Roland Geiger name is the name he used on Amibench. As for Tibor Toth, i wouldn't worry about that, as that seems to be his nick name.
I think that someone else is pretending to be Bernd Binder, a SCAM! :pissed:
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Hmmm...but if with a direct bank transfer the name/address/number don't match up, it will not be carried out. Or will it?
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Those would have to be the details the account is registered to...
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@cgutjahr
I sent you an email just now. Couldn't send yesterday. Sorry. Your help is much appreciated!
/preacher
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I sent him all info i got on all buyers.. if anyone is left behind i can add them still. Lots of cash.. maybe a trip to tailand or something anyone =)
Buyers:
x56h34: BlizzardPPC 240/060 + SCSI + shipping - 330€
Jose: BlizzardPPC 240/060 + SCSI - 300€
NightShade737: CyberstormPPC 233/060 + UWSCSI + 128MB RAM - £290
JaXanim: BlizzardPPC 240/060 - £156
CU_AMiGA: BlizzardPPC 240/060 - £160
punkpie: BlizzardPPC 210/060 + 64MB ram - £160
tangletown: BlizzardPPC 210/060 + 128Mb Ram - £176
PulsatingQuasar: BlizzardPPC 240/060 - ?
Preacher: CSPPC 604e/233Mhz + 68RC060@50Mhz - 350€
Flowman: BlizzardPPC 240/060 - 290$
Total:
BlizzardPPC 240/060 + SCSI = 2
BlizzardPPC 240/060 = 4
BlizzardPPC 210/060 = 2
CyberstormPPC 233/060 + UWSCSI = 2
And i sent the money to bernd binder with wertern union. So only the guy with right id can pick up the money.. But then the post office can screw things up and dont check id.
And have anyone got any replies lately on the mail sent to him ?
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@Flowman
Cheers! :pint:
Okay. I think if everyone continues to give their information to cgutjahr then we should have enough to put something into action within the next couple of days.
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Flowman: Never use Western Union for anything. You have as much comeback on it as sending money through the post, which is nothing. It's normally the Payment methods scammers on eBay use aswell.
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It's normally the Payment methods scammers on eBay use aswell.
You're saying that like this is a scam ;)
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@NightShade737
Notice that.. u know first time buyer on net =).. he didnt want me to send on pay pal =) but i regret that now i the ending..
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@All
More updates. I received another e-mail from Bernd. Here's what is says:
I sent today the receipt from the German post for the ppc board to you (in an
registered letter) - I don't know if you got the board yet, but I sent it to
all buyers, because some didn't get it yet. It's easier to me in this way,
because I'm all the time on the road (trucker).
If you didn't get it, go please with that receipt to your post and the will
look what's happened.
What do you guys make of this? Shouldn't HE be the one going to the post office with the receipt and checking out why the package never showed up? Anyway, let's see if I receive that receipt.
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I think indeed that if you show up with a receipt from Deutsche Post at an office of the Canadian postal services, the guy/gal behind the counter will give you a very naff look....
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Notice that.. u know first time buyer on net =).. he didnt want me to send on pay pal =) but i regret that now i the ending..
PayPal is no better, my friend. I was out a few hundred bucks after a similiar situation with a Mr. R. Waters (Who people still swear used to be a good vendor, too.) In my case, PayPal even ruled in my favor. Said that indeed, I was frauded. Said they were unable to collect any money in return for me, though, so I was screwed. Gee, thanks. Glad I had them on the case. Duh....
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x56h34 wrote:
@All
More updates. I received another e-mail from Bernd. Here's what is says:
I sent today the receipt from the German post for the ppc board to you (in an
registered letter) - I don't know if you got the board yet, but I sent it to
all buyers, because some didn't get it yet. It's easier to me in this way,
because I'm all the time on the road (trucker).
If you didn't get it, go please with that receipt to your post and the will
look what's happened.
What do you guys make of this? Shouldn't HE be the one going to the post office with the receipt and checking out why the package never showed up? Anyway, let's see if I receive that receipt.
Ah...clever jackass! His next move will of course be that he can't go to check at the postoffice himself, 'cause he sent the receipt to you. And thus he can claim to have sent both the cards and the receipt, so he can haul time even more. My personal opinion.
If he wasn't hiding anything, why didn't he give you the tracking nr. or a photo/scan of the receipt?
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lo all!
Recieved an email from 'Tibor' a minute ago.
He asks me to confirm my address and he will send
the bill(?) and the id number of the parcel.
Let's see what happens...
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preacher wrote:
lo all!
Recieved an email from 'Tibor' a minute ago.
He asks me to confirm my address and he will send
the bill(?) and the id number of the parcel.
Let's see what happens...
Guys, put on the brakes. If he "sends" the receipt to you he can easily claim both have been lost in mail. I would have preferred a scan...
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I e-mailed him before asking about the status and he said
Need again your address to check it and than I send you documents and id
I have mailed him back (without my address) basically saying he needs to check it himself, and that I want his address and phone incase of emergency and for my "Tax records".
Yeah, PayPal offers no protection either, they have even just been sued with a class action lawsuit for making people think they are protected.
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I just got of the phone with the guy.. He told us that he realy sorry about everything that happend..
So he is alive and kicking =)
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and?!........
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Granted I was born at night but not last night. If he has your email address why can't he Email you the tracking #.. If he mails you the bill and tracking info I bet it gets lost with your accellerator...
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Flowman wrote:
I just got of the phone with the guy.. He told us that he realy sorry about everything that happend..
So he is alive and kicking =)
Where'd you get the number from then?
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Hunting like a crayz guy around the net =) sniffing like a dog i think or something like that.. And he is going to call back about the cards.. but i think we all go the e-mail about he sent us mail..
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I got his email too.
There are several ways to consider this.
If he was scamming us all, why bother with this email? It ties him into the deal even more doesn't it. And it updates his involvement to the present, rather than several weeks ago.
Assuming it's legit, the boards should start arriving sometime, but who knows when. If nobody gets their board in say one, two or three weeks time, they are either all stuck in the same place somewhere, or we have indeed been scammed. In that case, we should get the cops involved. The question is how long do we give it now?
As to the value of the receipt. It's an official document issued by the German Postal Service and that must carry a lot of weight.
With a receipt of posting, you can indeed get a search done. I've gone through this before with the Royal Mail. Someone posted me a parcel from Venezuela which got 'lost'.
I believed there was probably no chance of my ever seeing it, espacially from South America.
Anyway, I sent a copy or the proof of posting and a few weeks later, the Royal Mail came up trumps. It had been 'held up' by customs people in South America. Anyway, after that the Royal Mail is great as far as I'm concerned!
Cheers,
JaX
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The way I see it either there really is a long delay getting the cards oout of Germany... Or Our friend is buying more time for one reason or another.. Why he won't email the tracking #'s to everyone is what makes me wonder..
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Cuz if u send the card with regular mail.. u dont get any tracking nr.. its like u send a regular mail in the mail box.. do u get any tracking nr ??? nope dont think so
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Anyway, I sent a copy or the proof of posting and a few weeks later, the Royal Mail came up trumps. It had been 'held up' by customs people in South America.
As the sender is inside the EU and the recipient also is, your parcels really can't be stuck in customs.
Either:
1. "Bernd" is up to some monkey business, and haven't aquired the boards yet
2. You've been scammed, and "Bernd" is hauling time before the police runs down his door.
3. Deutsche Post is the worst post-company around.
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Flowman wrote:
Cuz if u send the card with regular mail.. u dont get any tracking nr.. its like u send a regular mail in the mail box.. do u get any tracking nr ??? nope dont think so
Then he can't have e receipt either...or maybe one for 50€ worth of stamps... :-(
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Cuz if u send the card with regular mail.. u dont get any tracking nr.. its like u send a regular mail in the mail box.. do u get any tracking nr ??? nope dont think so
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What R you talking about? I under stand that it is sent registered Mail.. My question is why can't he emial the tracking #??? PROOF of shipping>>>>>
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He doesn't say if there is a tracking number does he? It just says that he sent the actual reciept (proof of postage) to us all.
Put it this way, at least we actually have his phone number. Things are actually looking up.
:D
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Sorry for my post.. think im on drugs today.. but sweden post is diffrent i think.. cuz i never got any reciept when i sent packages..
But the guy on the phone was our guy.. cuz he know about all stuff.
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@Flowman
Have you emailed Binder's phone number to cgutjahr?
Would you PM me with it? I suggest anyone else here who has reason to want it asks for the number. It's the most vital detail we've got so far.
JaX.
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Hey all. Cool good news.
If we get to receive the tracking nr. and it's a valid one we will have no problem locating our cards. I've rescued a few orders already using the tracking nr. Unbelievable the extent of orders that for no reason just get stuck somewhere... :-x
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Flowman: Scratch me off your list; I didn't end up buying cos I decided I was going to wait for someone to receive theirs first before investing.
The tracking number thing seems really dodgy; you'd think that with the cost of the postage and the fact that some are surely receiving their cards via Air-Mail (The Yanks and Canadians amongst us), that there would be tracking numbers for the packages.
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I guess one thing will be clear from these postage receipts (assuming we get them)and that's the date of posting. That in itself may account for some of the delay. Someone here, not involved with this deal, said Binder was a bit on the slow side. Maybe as a trucker, he's not home much?
So, IF that IS the case, how come Kralle900 can send/receive Ebay feedback on a day by day basis? Maybe Kralle900 is not Bernd Binder at all? I haven't seen any convincing evidence to support it anyway.
Cheers,
JaX
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I just recieved his email as well. So we are going to have to wait longter for something to "arrive". And what are we supposed to do with this reciept? I am going to email him exactly why he didn't do it himself.
@Flowman
When you rang our man up who did you ask for? Bernd Binder? Roland Geiger?
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Hi
@Morley
> 3. Deutsche Post is the worst post-company around.
you really should stay waiting because:
Deutsche Post IS the worst post-company around! :-(
Noster
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Even more updates. It seems that Bernd got arrested! :-o
(http://www.x56h34.com/amiga/trucker.jpeg)
Policeman: Herr Binder, sind Sie unter Anhalten für Betrug.
Bernd Binder: Oh, mein Gott! Der Empfang ist in der Post!
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x56h34 wrote:
Even more updates. It seems that Bernd got arrested! :-o
For what? Scamming 10 people out of their money?
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Wonder if this has anything to do with it...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/04/23/auctioned.mail.ap/index.html
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@-BobW-
My God, that's all we need!
Maybe they're all at it!
JaX
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Sounds quite unlikely that this thieving postman could have intercepted each and every card.
Guys, I'm at the edge of my seat with regard to this thread. I haven't bought anything from this guy, but I very well could have.. I've done something like 10 Amiga deals over the Internet in the last six months, and all deals with ebay and amibench sellers/buyers have gone smoothly like scrolling in an Amiga platformer. Companies have been a bit slow, but have delivered in the end.
If this guy's crooked (I sure hope not!), it means he's purposefully targeting the community because trust is generally high among Amiga users.
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interesting.............
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I just won an auction on EBay by kralle900. It's getting weird:
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Rekeninghouder: Rene Nandke
Bankrekeningnummer: XXXXXXXX
ID-code bank: XXXXXXXXX
Naam bank: Postbank München
De verkoper zegt:
Kontoinhaber und ebay-Mitgliedsname sind nicht identisch - aber das ist in Ordnung.
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The last bit says that the EBay-membername and the accountholder's names are different. And that it is okay...
I requested the contact details of 'kralle900' from EBay, and that's our Mr. Toth:
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Gebruikersnaam: kralle900
Naam: Karoly Tóth
Bedrijf:
Plaats: Albstadt
Adres:
Land: Deutschland
Postcode: 72461
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No phone number or address given.....
:-?
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@odin
This is clearly one of Bernd Binder's associates in this 'Amiga Club' they run from the address we sent our monies to.
Maybe this is the 'Son of Tibor Toth' (!) (?)
Anyway, when you arrange payment, there should be a direct connection via Mr Toth's email. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the 'TTAmig@******' address used in the AmiBench ad.
Please would you post any such detail as appropriate and PM me and others involved with the address, etc?
I have tried to contact 'Kralle900' via Ebay's system, but never had a reply. Maybe this is another string to follow.
Cheers and thanks,
JaX
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Flowman wrote:
Sorry for my post.. think im on drugs today.. but sweden post is diffrent i think.. cuz i never got any reciept when i sent packages..
But the guy on the phone was our guy.. cuz he know about all stuff.
You always get a reciept when you send packages in Sweden, and you can track them from www.posten.se Not if you mail a letter, but always with packages. Both foreign and domestic.
I ought to know, I send about 20 - 25 each month....
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Further to Binder's latest email (ref. postal receipts) and whatever that may bring, I have prepared an email to him along the following lines:
"With reference to your last email, you say that some people haven't received their boards yet. This is incorrect. Nobody has received their boards!
I suggest that YOU make appropriate enquiries at YOUR Post Office as to why NONE of the packages you say you have posted have arrived.
You have received AT LEAST 2,600 Euros from us and we have received NOTHING from you.
If the boards are not delivered by the end of April, we will ask the Police to investigate your 'business'."
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I haven't yet sent this but am prepared to do so on my own account. However, if anyone else wishes to send a copy, please do so.
I'll wait for Monday's mail to see if I get my Registered Letter. If not, this goes to Binder on Tuesday, truckin' or not.
Cheers,
JaX
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@JaXanim
Yes i am with you on sending that email to him. But maybe you should wait until Friday, cos by then, it would be the end of April (i should know, it's my birthday then! :-)) And if he did send it, we should have recieved it by then, he would have no excuse.
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@jaxanim:
I'll pmail you with Karoly Toth's email address. Other than the information I posted above I have no further contact details I'm afraid.
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Huh? Where have all the pmail buttons gone?
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@CUamiga
I'll give it till mid-week. If I leave it till weekend, the deadline has passed.
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@odin
Got it, cheers.
Looking at the 'Kralle..xx' range of Ebay IDs, it seems one is used for buying stuff and another for selling stuff.
Binder's ID was 'Kralle' at one stage and whoever is using it now is buying actively as I type this. If it's Binder, he ain't truckin' anywhwere!
JaX
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@JaXanim
Should we all send that message to him (sort of like an ambush!). That way he may thnink this is serious business.
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Hi guys,
using http://www.telefonbuch.de/ you can search for postal code, name and city (beware: popups ahead). BTW, I tried and got only one "Toth" entry in Albstadt, but with different surname.
If you have a phone number, you may also use one of those reversal CDs (usually KlickTel) to get an address out of the number.
Michael
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No sign of a registered letter from Binder today. Anyone?
@Flowman
You said you have Binder's phone number and that you have actually spoken to him.
Would you please PM me the number.
Did you PM the number to cgutjahr? He's our only man on the ground after all.
Cheers,
JaX
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I discussed the issue with my Bank Manager today and he agrees that we should alert the Police if the problem isn't sorted by month-end.
@mboehmer_e3b
'Toth' IS the surname. Tibor Toth is the name appearing on Binder's emails. Karoly Toth is selling stuff on Ebay under the 'Kralle900' ID, a name which appears to originate from Bernd Binder. Another of these 'Kralles' does the selling.
Thanks for your suggestions and your interest in helping us out.
JaX
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This thread is like a soap opera, full of cliff hangers [no! I'm not trying to trivialise this problwm - I almost ordered a card myself, but was reluctant to send money, so I am very eager to find out what the outcome will be]
Although Binder makes me think of the character Milo Minderbinder (or whatever his name is) from Catch-22
I think you should forget giving him another week, or until the end of the month or whatever, and get on his case NOW!
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@CUAmiga
If nobody gets their registered letter by this coming weekend, I think everyone involved should send emails to Binder, Toth and whoever else they can think of. We should make it clear that this is as far as it goes and that the Police will be asked to investigate.
***If Flowman will PM me with Binder's phone number I will tell him personally what is about to happen.***
Cheers,
JaX
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@Cyberus
Any suggestions?
JaX
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JaXanim wrote:
@Cyberus
Any suggestions?
JaX
How long ago did you send him money?
What's the maximum amount of time a parcel should take (according to Deutsche Post)?
Did he actually give you a guarantee that he would send the goods (like an email, saying "I'll send the goods next week")
Did any of you pay by credit card (if so, contact your credit card company and get them to chase him - I had to do the same thing a year ago over a laptop I paid for on ebay and never received) - I explained the process in great detail to xh6354 a couple of months back [and never got so much as a 'thank you', I might add] when that guy in the UK advertised BPPC on Amibench and it was a fraud.
Do you have a solicitor? Have you been to the local CAB?
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@Cyberus:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6331 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6331)
What part of "I would like to thank everyone" did you not understand?
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LOL!!!
I can live with -37GBP, and I'll take it as a lesson on never to foolishly jump on a deal which sounds SWEET before investigating
So what went wrong?
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I'm a dumbass, that's what.:lol:
It seems that I'll never learn.:-x
Ah well...this time next year, I'll get my PPC card.
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@x56h34
I hope you're not giving up on this?
Remember what someone said right at the start, it ain't over till the fat postman sings.....and I ain't heard the faintest peep.
This thing's gonna go a lot further yet, but if you or the rest wish to call it quits, I'll go it alone.
@Flowman
???
Cheers,
JaX
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@JaXanim:
Oh, I'm not calling it quits. I will pursue this matter as far as possible. I'm just a little disappointed that I probably won't get to see the actual PPC card, but once AGAIN fight for my money back.
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@56h34
@Jose
@NightShade737
@CU_Amiga
@tangletown [EDIT:Deleted]
@punkpie
@Preacher
@Flowman
I think that's everyone involved...
I'm putting together a letter to send to the Kriminalpolizei Polizeivier in Albstadt. This appears to be the main Police Station in the city.
I'll need to list everyone who's sent money to Binder and what they expected for it.
I've got the PPC cards and cash details from Flowman's earlier post, but I need your actual names and addresses. I will include your Email address as well. If things develop, I guess you may be contacted by the German Police.
Whatever cgutjahr is doing (?), I intend to make contact with Albstadt Police to try and force the issue forward.
Please therefore, will you each *Email* me your name/address. If you don't wish to be included in this action, please say so and I'll not put your name down.
[EDIT: I've already emailed Karoly Toth to tell Binder that I've been advised to get the Police involved.]
Cheers,
JaX
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This sounds so much like the DCE thing I am still dealing with and my CSPPC that was sent in close to three years ago now. I contacted the German police and then never heard anything again from them after the first reply I got telling me they were looking into it.
Yet one more reason I am no longer using an Amiga, but now am a Pegasos user. I am so sick of people stealing and taking advantage of Amigans.
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@Acill:
The DCE issue was slightly different as everyone did receive something, but the product of course didn't work on arrival, or it eventually died, however the DCE case could very well be much worse than what we are going through now, as both dealers and end-users went through a lot of trouble, vs only the end-users in this case right now.
Also, what is happening now looks like a straight theft, and in case of DCE...well...years and years of waiting and lies. Gosh, it boggles the mind to even think about it.
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i need some sleep
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I got my money back only for the first fraud attempt (the UK case), however I am too late for the PayPal 30 day refund this time.
EDIT: Ah, you edited your comments flowman. :-)
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@Flowman and those involved
If you wish your details to go in the letter I'm sending to the Police in Albstadt, please send me your details asap.
See my post at the bottom of Page 17.
The only way I see of getting our money back from Binder is to get the cops in. Don't leave this too late or I'll go ahead with those already listed.
JaX
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CyberstormPPC 060/50 604e/233 with 128MB RAM
Ben Hodgetts
43 Whinfield Road
Claines
Worcester
WR3 7HF
07800902939
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OK, I just need real name/address/phone/email details from Jose, CU_Amiga, Punkpie and Flowman to include you in the list I am sending to the German Police.
Please email or PM me with this info ASAP, if you want me to try and get this Binder case investigated.
If I don't get my card or postal receipt by this weekend, I will send the letter on Monday. I have detailed events from Roland Geiger's advert on AmiBench to Binder's last email about sending registered letters to us all.
I have included our names/addresses/phone/email details as well as the cards we ordered and the price we each paid. It is addressed to the Senior Officer at the main Police Station in Albstadt.
If you don't send me the details, you won't be in the list.
Cheers,
JaX
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@JaXanim:
I would be happy to share costs with you in regards to this matter. When we are done with this issue, perhaps you could estimate your total expenses for the time invested, for all the international calls, etc., and I could split those costs with you. Maybe others could chip in as well.
Let me know.
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@JaXanim:
Yeah, I'll chip in. Just work it out and let us know. You've done a lot of work on our behalfs so it's only right that we re-pay you in some way.
Cheers.
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@Acill
I'm sure that you know that Pegasos mainboards are being produced at DCE facilities, don't you?
Of course, they are not in charge of their marketing, thanks God, so, hopefully, at least Genesi will take care if any board has to be repaired and will push DCE for a prompt repairing.
BTW, good luck to you all, I hope you can get your money back.
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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Hi All
Yeah, pegasos is produced at the DCE production plant, but, I´ve never seen a single pegasos board faulty from the manufacturation process, or broken any way at the final user.
My pegasos board, which I use every day for normal use and programming, works like a charm.In fact I have working desingning little pieces of HW and with electronics in general, and the peggy board seems to me well desingned and very well manufactured.
If you get a peggy board you will have to talk genesi in case of disaster, no to DCE at all, and genesi will work out with DCE (and push it) for you in any case.
I dont see the problem anywhere relating the pegasos and DCE.
Best Regards
-DeQuevedo
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@JaXanim
Check your PM. I got the Blizzard PPC 240/060@50mhz (not recieved yet!), and was paying in 2 payments: - £115 and £45, still haven't sent the second one yet! :-)
Cheers,
-Edited :-)-
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Wow! You lucky little *&^%#$! :-) Heh, congrats dude. I am glad that finally things are starting to look good.
So, does it work?
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@Del Boy,
I meant the money that i sent was for getting that PPC card, i haven't actually recieved it yet! Sorry! :lol:
(must edit that post)
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I am still confused. What is it that you got? The money that you sent actually arrived back?
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I am in the same position as you! :-) Sent the 1st payment and still waiting for card!
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hes trying to say, he still hasnt sent the second payment yet
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You wally. :-)
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Yes! What a mess i have made of things!
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x56h34
CU_Amiga means he ORDERED the PPC240/060 and SENT the first installment of cash. Like the rest of us, he has received nothing!
@All
There's only Flowman left to provide his details.
@Flowman
Why are you taking so long? You've not sent me Binder's phone number either. You said you talked to him. You DID talk to him didn't you?
JaX
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@JaXanim
Okay. What happens when you send this letter then?
@Flowman
He needs that number!
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Oh yeah, forgot to mention i sent him cash via registered post. Is there actually anything i can do about that? I mean others have paid via cheque / paypal or whatever.
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@CU_AMiGA:
I made you a new avatar in order to get your hopes slightly up, if possible. :-)
(http://www.x56h34.com/amiga/cuamiga.jpg)
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:lol:
I am using that as my new avatar!
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Sorry about the delay guys, I had a pretty strange week.
I just talked to Bernd Binder (using the phone number Lemmink supplied) - this is the guy that regular sells stuff on eBay and sends out newsletters to former customers (e.g. Lemmink) advertising stuff he currently has available.
He told me that:
- he knows AmiBench, but never sold anything there
- the only way he sold Amiga stuff recently was eBay
- he's not the guy you're trading with
- he's not reading amiga.org
He basically said that he's got no idea what I am talking about.
Personally, I would have expected the guy to be somewhat more suprised/upset/worried if a guy from amiga-news.de phones him and tells him after a few minutes that "somebody must be abusing your reputation then - to cheat customers" (his answer was "seems so." and he didn't ask any further questions). But that's just IMHO - and perhaps he simply wants to keep me out of this.
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Uh-oh. Time to get paranoid :-(
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Didn't Flowman say that he spoke to Binder over the phone, and basically he found the right guy, who appologized for the mess, etc.? Or was that a practical joke by Flowman, or something?
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The Plot Thickens
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@cgutjahr:
Hmmm...it seems that Binder was playing dumb in your conversation. His adress, e-mail address, name, etc. make him the perfect match. All that info is essentially the same in the PayPal account and Lemmink's newsletter, so it's 100% got to be him. It's impossible for someone to register a PayPal account and fake the address/banking info in it, and still be able to withdraw the money from the online credit amount. He is a liar.
At this point I think that this case should definitely be forwarded to German police as Bernd is simply f**king around with us.
EDIT: Give him another call and tell him that we will report him to the Police anyway because he is obviously lieing.
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When all is said and done I'm seeing a Made For TV Movie in the works..."Unsolved Mysteries...The Black hole between Mr. Binder and the rest of the world"
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Hmmm...it seems that Binder was playing dumb in your conversation. His adress, e-mail address, name, etc. make him the perfect match. All that info is essentially the same in the PayPal account and Lemmink's newsletter, so it's 100% got to be him. It's impossible for someone to register a PayPal account and fake the address/banking info in it, and still be able to withdraw the money from the online credit amount. He is a liar.
Well, I don't think this necesarily is true. Non-US paypal accounts normally have unverified adresses (and names?) I think you can have a paypal-account and use somebody else's credit-card for withdrawal and payment.
Anyway, it looks like it is time to call the cops'
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Morley wrote:
Non-US paypal accounts normally have unverified adresses (and names?)
I live in the Uk and my address is verified - unless this is a new thing, as I've only joined in 2004??
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AccyD wrote:
Morley wrote:
Non-US paypal accounts normally have unverified adresses (and names?)
I live in the Uk and my address is verified - unless this is a new thing, as I've only joined in 2004??
Mine isn't...I joined now in 2004 also...heh :-?
But then I live in Norway, dunno if this matters
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Mine and my mom arn't either even though the cards registered match the address. I can't figure out what I have to do to make it verified...
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Hmmm...it seems that Binder was playing dumb in your conversation. His adress, e-mail address, name, etc. make him the perfect match. All that info is essentially the same in the PayPal account and Lemmink's newsletter, so it's 100% got to be him. It's impossible for someone to register a PayPal account and fake the address/banking info in it, and still be able to withdraw the money from the online credit amount. He is a liar.
Huh? This doesn't prove anything. Of course you can withdraw money from a 100% fake account. It goes like such...
1) make fake account with any details you like. (in this case, make it look like Bernd)
2) recieve payments into fake account. (These payments stay as "PayPal Dollars")
3) fraudster transfers PayPal dollars from fake account to his real PayPal account, citing a phony transaction.
4) fraudster withdraws money from the real account.
5) fake account gets locked and removed as fraud.
6) innocent buyer gets NO money back, even though clearly frauded, while the fraudster's real account keeps the money.
Trust me -- I've had this played against me. Why do you think I speak so badly of PayPal all the time??
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@Ilwrath:
OK, it makes sense. I didn't think of it like that, but, those people that mailed their payments to Mr. Binder mailed them to the very SAME address as in the PayPal account and the newsletter, and he also provided bank account information with the same name, address, and even bank account number, etc., to people that would potentially pay by wire transfer, and all that info also matches the PayPal and newsletter address. So in conclusion, although you did open my eyes to how PayPal frauds can be made, I am still not convinced that this is not actually Binder messing around with us.
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On another note, it seems that there is some serious danger in online ordering in the Amiga community at this time, as this is the second time something like this has happened in a very short period of time, so obviously people should be very careful in the future, starting with me as I bit the bait twice. :-(
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Guys, I really think you should compose a list wth all the names, addresses, Paypal acc. numbers etc. of all that got messed up by this guy. Send them to some friend in Germany and he should contact the appropriate department for electronic crimes and frauds of the German police. You can even put money altogether and hire a lawyer.
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This guy (the conman) exploited the excitement that many of you feel, towards the release of OS4...
at the same time he realised that the most famous amiga model inside the community is the A1200 and he thought of putting imaginary BPPCs for sale, instead of CSPPC, because even if you don't have an A1200, you can buy one for much cheaper that an A4000. Too bad, this is all so sad....
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He advertised CSPPC also. Everything good basically in the accelerator world was there for both A1200 and A3000/A4000, including the CV/BVPPC graphic cards.
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@ Nightshade
I can't remember how to set it up exactly but if you try to send a payment using a c/card it will ask you to verify it by debiting your account for a few dollars quoting a particular reference number. Quote the number in Paypal and your account will become verified - or that''s at least how I remember it.
Also - I would not post your personal address detials on this (or any other) website, use PMail if you want to pass the info to someone in particular. If I were you I would edit the post and delete the info now.
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I can't remember how to set it up exactly but if you try to send a payment using a c/card it will ask you to verify it by debiting your account for a few dollars quoting a particular reference number. Quote the number in Paypal and your account will become verified - or that''s at least how I remember it.
I did this, and I am still unverified. Looks like Paypal don't know what they are doing, or...
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For the first time, since I started this thread, I feel worried about this predicament. :(
Aarrrgggghhhh. I want my card!!!
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Wierd, the Tibor Toth e-mails are coming from a GMT+2 zone. Germany is only GMT+1 isn't it?
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@cgutjahr
Please would you PM me with the phone number you used to contact Binder?
Cheers,
JaX
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@Flowman
I ask once again, please will you PM me with the Phone Number YOU used to contact Binder?
Thanks,
JaX
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@NightShade
Maybe he trucked further East and emailed from a cybercafe?
JaX
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You appear to be right. I just checked all his other emails and they are stamped GMT+1...
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Right, i have made one final big step into trying to recieve them PPC cards. Please see this thread:
Uri Gellar Style Challenege (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8473)
Thank you,
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Challenege?
Wuzzat? :-P
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im glad to see all through this u have managed to keep a sense of humour, uri thing made me chuckle, lets hope it works eh
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@All Concerned
This is to let everyone know that the letter detailing all the events so far is ready to go to the Police in Albstadt.
I have made a listing of who sent money to Binder, the card you ordered and the amount you paid. Your name and address, phone number and email details (where provided to me) are included.
This letter will be sent on Monday next (3 May 2004), assuming the goods do not arrive this weekend (don't hold breath please!)
@Flowman
Your lack of help in providing your contact number for Binder is noted. It would have been useful to include it in the letter, especially if it is different from the one I have. But fear not, we have at least one phone number which gets to him, helpfully confirmed by cgutjahr (many thanks).
You said you planned on talking to Binder again, before the letter goes to the Police. I ernestly suggest you get on with this pretty damned quick and tell us all of the outcome on this thread. I dare say Binder is pretty well aware of the situation and doubt that any further discussion with him will alter the position one bit.
People have said how surprised they are at what he seems to have done. Binder seems to be fairly well known in German Amiga circles and one or two people say they can't believe he'd scam anyone. Well, maybe he had a brainstorm when he saw what others have done recently (scam PPC ads, etc).
Maybe he did something totally out of character and maybe he didn't. All I know is he has acted here in a completely illegal and fraudulent way. He has taken well over 2,000 Euros from us and sent us nothing. No cards, no receipts, no explanation. Who knows how many other people are awaiting stuff? Not everybody who uses AmiBench spends their time at Aorg. It could be double the number here.
Anyway, that's what will happen.
Cheers,
JaX
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JaX, good work. Friday will officially be the last day for the card to arrive here in Canada, as the post office doesn't work on weekends. Well, looks like time to call the cops. :-)
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Hi DeQuevedo!!! :¬)
If you get a peggy board you will have to talk genesi in case of disaster, no to DCE at all, and genesi will work out with DCE (and push it) for you in any case.
Of course, that's what I was meaning: DCE has proved to have a very bad post-sale customer service (just ask all those deceived PPC card owners, Ami603, for example). Fortunately, Pegasos post-sale customer service it's not in their hands, but provided by Genesi.
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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Hoya!
@JaXanim
Good work! May I suggest (but I guess you did it already) to make a copy of this letter? Thus, if the German police does not respond, you will have a proof that you send them the letter.
Mind you, registered mail would do the same :-)
Be funky
M A D
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I'm still totally confused by this whole issue. Why did he even bother sending us all an email if he had run off with the money? Why did he claim in a phone call made that he sent the cards and is "sorry" and yet in another call claims he doesn't know what we are talking about?
If this is fraud it is the most bizzard case I've ever heard of.
:-?
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Hoya!
I agree. When you screw people up, you run away silently...
Mind you, pretending you are innocent can be a good tactic as well.
"I DID send you the stuff. I don't know what happened, besides you got my address, so I can't rip you off, can I?"...
I do hope your situation will improve guys!
:-(
Be funky
M A D
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I am disappointed in Flowman. But good work JaX. You can send the letter today or wait until tomorrow morning. Then what will happen? I wan't to know! :roll:
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Maybe Flowman is Bernd Binder?
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tangletown wrote:
Maybe Flowman is Bernd Binder?
:roflmao:
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:lol:
Hey, it's plausable. If this is a scam, and most of you are now decided on it being just that now; then BB has been playing a very complex pyschological game with everyone- keeping contact, apologising, promising the cards will arrive soon (Maybe to slow his capture, so he can get to Mexico?). Maybe this is just another factor in his game: wasn't Flowman the one who got in "contact with him" and concluded that BB gave a positive response?
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Because he is probably still scamming people. The longer he drags us along, the longer it gives him to stay unreported to continue scamming other people. Pretty obvious really.
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10 to 1 Odds The infamous Mr. Binder is getting a kick out of reading this thread
:argue:
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Here is a reply I recieved from Tibor Toth on 3/26/04
I figured I'd wait to see what happened here. I'm sorry to here of the current problems. I must thank you for this thread it saved me from sending him the money and being another mark on his list
Do you have any Cyberstorm MKIII 060/50 + UWSCSI = 300 Euro/375$/200
> GBP
> left?
Yes
Regards
Tibor
--
+++ NEU bei GMX und erstmalig in Deutschland: TÜV-geprüfter Virenschutz +++
100% Virenerkennung nach Wildlist. Infos: http://www.gmx.net/virenschutz
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Just had an idea to confirm that this guy is a fraud or not.......
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Ready to Share? I've got a few..
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I don't wan't to post, but i will pm you.
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PM me too please.
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@punkpie,
Check you PM. vpcs has idea as well.
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Meanwhile at DCE, Germany...
(http://www.x56h34.com/amiga/dce.jpg)
Thomas Dellert: Gentlemen, let us salute to yet another successful, brilliant scheme! Gut, ja?
Bernd Binder: Come on Flowman, zake zi picture already.
Flowman: Eine Minuten, eine minuten!
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Is that Chris Tarrant 2nd from the left??
I'd have thought he'd have earned enough from Who Wants to be a Millionaire to have to start ripping people off on a PPC scam?? :-D
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I don't know. :-)
I think it could be Flowman. ;-)
EDIT: No wait, Flowman is taking the picture, so it's definitely not him. :lol:
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@tangletown etc.
I just learned that Flowman sent Binder's phone number to Ryu (Ex mod here) when he (Ryu) offered to phone Germany weeks ago. So....
Cheers,
JaX
(The truth is out there...)
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@All Concerned
I just realised, Monday 3 May is a Bank Holiday in the UK, so no post collections.
So, the Binder dossier will actually be on it's way to Albstadt Police on Tuesday. It'll go by Recorded Delivery or whatever it's called in Germany.
If BB's gonna pull this outa the fire, he'd better get his skates on! And in case he's visiting:
Ziehen Sie ihre Schlittschuhe auf, Bernd!
JaX
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@JaXanim
Thanks for all the work you made for us too. Like others said I'd also be willing to share any costs you had.
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Hoya!
It really p*sses me off to see that Amigans or ex-Amigans rip off other Amigans.
How lame and pathetic...
Good luck!
Be funky
M A D
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Nobody can be sure that the guy really is Bernd Binder.
You may have the guys address and see that it matches with the true Bernd, but maybe that is just part of the plan of consistency; he hopes that you will see that he is still the same, and then instead of actually using that address, you opt for doing a Bank Transfer, PayPal etc. Any buyers that still want to send money to that address aren't discouraged, it's just that the scammer doesn't recieve that money (He's cutting his loses on that one deal to still ensure the rest will be completed). So, the REAL Bernd Binder is probably looking both confused and happy at a letter he received from CU, throwing money at him!
This is just a posibility.
Maybe it's true
Maybe the scammer is really Binder.
Maybe it's not a scam at all, but a really mistake on the behalf of the post offices.
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@tangletown
And maybe pigs will fly!
[Edit: He wouldn't be confused with the letter and cheque I sent him. It confirmed my email ordering a PPC card at the agreed price. He cashed the cheque. If 'the real Binder' did't know why I sent the cheque, he could have easily asked. It's Binder alright.]
Cheers,
JaX
(The true really is out there....somewhere....!)
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Hey.. im not here 24/7 =). and yes i talked to they guy. and its not a april 1 joke. cuz the guy in the phone know what i was talking about. and will try to call him again tomorrow and see what i have to say.. what info do u guys want from him ?? and have anyone recived the mail from him, that i told he would send out ??
@ x56h34
Sure im the guy ur looking for =) binder him self.. im more 100years old and not 56 as in that pic =)
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@Flowman,
Did you give JaX that number?
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@CU_Amiga
Yes, I got the number from Flowman and it tallies with those from other sources.
@Flowman
As I noted earlier, I am on the point of sending a dossier of information about this Binder deal to Albstadt Police on Tuesday. Nothing is gonna stop that now.
You've been talking about having another chat with Binder for some time now and at the twelvth hour, you're asking us what you should say to him...!..! Get real! What sort of discussion do you think it needs?
Other than asking about the weather in Albstadt, you might tell him that he's a fraud and that he's taken over 2,000 Euros from us by pretending to have something to sell which he clearly doesn't have.
Ask him why his promises to send the cards and his promise to send postal receipts by Registered Letter remain just that - promises.
Ask him why he doesn't answer emails about not sending our cards.
Ask him why he does answer emails enquiring to purchase more cards.
Ask him what the HELL has happened to him?
Ask him if he realises his reputation in the Amiga market is going down the tubes.
Ask him if he wants to contiue with his Ebay business?
Ask him how will that be, when Ebay bans him from its service?
Or maybe you've got something else to ask him?
Whatever Binder says, maybe anything relevant will be posted here please?
Oh, and don't forget to tell him that the Fraud Squad will be calling anytime soon - or maybe he knows that already.
JaX
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@JaXanim
Sure for u i will ask about the weather in Albstadt.. but dont be so angry at me.. im just trying to help out here..
My german contact just called the guy again.. but his phone was not on. Maybe he is in hospital cuz he told him that last time he called.. Another thing. he got an sms 4 days ago saying that he couldnt find my order =).. party JaXanim go to the cops, cuz im done with my part. I hope they nail this guy.
But one thing i reacted on was last time we called him.. we got that mail from him just 10mins after we hangup..
"I sent today the receipt from the German post for the ppc board to you (in an registered letter) - I don't know if you got the board yet, but I sent it to all buyers, because some didn't get it yet. It's easier to me in this way, because I'm all the time on the road (trucker).
If you didn't get it, go please with that receipt to your post and the will look what's happened."
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@Flowman
If I seemed angry at you, I apologise.
Seems everyone around here has got a bit jumpy of late, eh everyone?
Cheers,
JaX
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@Flowman:
It seems that he sent the same looking e-mail to everyone (copy & paste) 10 minutes after finishing the phone conversation with you. I believe that this makes it IMPOSSIBLE that he already went to the post office and mailed the receipts to us within those 10 minutes. Anyway, I don't care...it's just another one of his lies, and I don't want to bother anymore with seeking clues and figuring out the mind of Bernd Binder. All that matters now is contacting the police and forcing him to returning our money back.
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Hmmmmm......I think I will also send my details to be included in the letter to the police in Germany. I don't think the BlizzardPPC will ever arrive anymore so it's time to nail this guy.
Also, spread the word I think. He should never make an Amiga sale ever again.
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Just wanted to let you know I just got an email from Tibor Tóth:
Hi xxxxx!
I sent you last week the copy of the voucher from your parcel.
So long
--
NEU : XXX Internet.FreeDSL
Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.xxx.xx/dsl
Considering his email provider, wouldn't a real amigan, who sell hardware to several countries and wants a good rep, have an emailadress without commercial in it?
Now I'm doubting if Mr. Binder and Tibor actually are the same person. Any thoughts?
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Here's a short update. I tried to send a reply to Tibor and this is what I got :
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
(reason: 550 5.1.1 {mx022} ... User is unknown)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mx0.xxx.xx.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 5.1.1 {mx022} ... User is unknown
550 5.1.1 ... User unknown
--
Seems like our friend has closed his account with the email provider, for some reason.
And I don't like it...
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All GMX accounts where the e-mail is sent from the webmail interface have advertising added on to them. I have just sent an e-mail to see if it bounces too.
Why did you X out gmx.net anyway?
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Well, why not? Thought it would be best...
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Perhaps you can try the emailaddress from Karoly Toth? I gave jaxanim this address.
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Well, I also tried the E-mail. No luck.
So this sucks. This guy needs to be seriously run over by a car or something.
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If he closed the account we'll only be able to trace the IP(s) of the person that used that mail for a short time. And given the time the authorities take to act in general, by the time they try to identify the owner of the e-mail address it won't be possible anymore.
Maybe we should also contact Paypal and explain the situation to them. Then they could retain the iformation associated with that email's account.
Actually, all of us that payed using Paypal should make a compalaint explaining the situation, even if the deadline for getting a refund still passed out.
Any more ideas regarding this :-?
I'm having some work to finish now , but I'll back on the net wednesday or thursday...
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@odin
I emailed 'Karoly Toth' about the situation with his friend Binder, but got no reply. Seems Binder and the Toth duo are either in league with each other or they are one and the same person (Binder).
@everyone
Yesterday, I received a last minute request to add someone to the list of names. I'm awaiting his full details and will get the letter off to the Police as soon as possible. I will confirm this as soon as it's done.
If there's anyone else on AmigaOrg who thinks they should be on the list, but for some reason haven't said so, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE to be included. Please send me your real name and address, phone number, email address, the card you ordered and the price you paid. NOW!!
Either PM me here or email me at the address shown in my Aorg Profile.
If you don't, then you'll have to contact Albstadt Police yourself.
Cheers,
JaX
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I can't believe he's cancelled the email address. It's pathetic really.
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I am not surprised that he closed it. My guess is he read the thread I was in with several others and the DCE thing and our PPC cards. Since nohing was ever done to DCE he just may have got the idea to "sell" some PPC cards from Germany and never deliver. Good luck with the police. I am still waiting for some action from them on the DCE matter.
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:-?
Amibench Ad. (http://www.amibench.com/cgi-bin/view.pl?type=sale&country=France)
For Sale :
Hardware cards for A1200:
BPPC 240Mhz + 060 50Mhz + 64Mo RAM 70ns
BVisionPPC + multisync monitor adaptator.
Price: 150 Euros to negociate.
Posted 2/5/04
This looks a bit fishy! The cheeky little monkey! :-D
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I think this battle is lost. The Police will do next to {bleep} in this and that little {bleep} is laughing all the way to rip off his next victim.
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@CU: I noticed that advert too. To other people considering it: DON'T BOTHER, that is DEFINATELY a fraud. Top of the range PPC Cards with a PPC Vision Card don't go for €150!
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has someone reported the offending advert to the amibench team?
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It really doesn't matter from Binder's point of view if this Police reporting business forces him to return the $$$ or not, but if we do report him we have a chance of creating an official police record, which I can only HOPE will affect what ever he tries to do for the rest of his life involving jobs, investments, money, loans, credits, etc.
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@x56h34
For the fraudulent theft of well over 2,000 Euros, he may face a jail sentence if convicted.
@All concerned
I have now received the final details for the letter. There will be no further additions now, because I have to redraft it and print it tonight, ready for posting tomorrow.
Cheers,
JaX
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I think there is a slim chance to actually get the money back. I sent the money via my bank, directly to Binder's account. Now, the german bank cannot repay the money unless their client approves it. However, if the bank finds out from the police that Mr. Binder is a fraud, under investigation, they may be more willing to do such a thing.
That's what I hope at least...
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I think that it is pretty damned terrible for someone to just take advantage of a market that has been ripped off so many times before … people like that deserve to have horrible things done to them.
I hope that you all get your money back … or the hardware!
It is a sad world we live in when you have to consider escrow services by default for online purchases from someone else. At least eBay has buyer feedback.
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@All concerned
The letter to the Police should now be on its way in the 10a.m. post. I sent it by the 'Signed For' service. All we can do now is wait.
If anyone feels they should talk directly to the Police in Albstsdt, here is the info you need.
Schutz-u. Kriminalpolizei Polizeivier
Truchtelfingen
Rudolf-Diesel-Strasse 3
72461 Albstadt
Germany
Phone: (07432) 955-0
Fax: (07432) 955-109
Outside Germany, remove the zero from the Albstadt area code.
Cheers,
JaX
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.....and what happens now?
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Another fool, but I'm even late to the party.
I sent Tibor Toth (TTAmiga@gmx.de) GBP250.00 for a
PPC240/060+SCSI+BVision and paid by PayPal. No items
have arrived.
I emailed him again today (5th May) but got the user
unknown error message, so I Googled for the address
and found this thread. What a nice surprise :pissed:
@JaXanim: add me to the list. I know the letter has
already gone to the police; should I send my own in
addition to yours?
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I am still debating whether or not we should put a note up on Amibench or not. This person was "lucky" to have found this thread.
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Why are you debating? This person (and an accomplice?) is ripping people off.
However I'd never use Paypal for something more than £20. Paypal are renowned for not protecting their honest users and doing nothing about dishonest users.
As long as an advert is on Amibench, more people will get ripped off.
Now if you had an address for this person, a few balaclavas, a return flight ticket and a crowbar ...
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@girv73
Oh yeah, welcome to Amiga.org :pint: pity it is on bad terms though. If you contact JaXanim, he will let you know what to do and that.
@Hattig
Trouble is though, he will rip off others under a different name. If you look earlier on, there is another Amibench post with a cheap PPC onit, that looks suspicous.
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@girv73
How long ago was it since you paid for the items? If it's been within a few days, you could get in contact with PayPal, and they will investigate: If you do it quick enough (IE, Paid only a few days ago and complain now) you will probably get all you money back because the balance wouldn't have been cleared into his other account in time.
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@tangletown: thanks, but its beyond 30 days so PayPal aren't interested. They've added my message on his account but that doesn't count for much I guess.
@CU_AMiGA: cheers :pint: :-D
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Right, i think as well as Jax sending out that letter, i think also that cgutjahr should pay our friend a visit. It surely the only way now, as he is more locally than al of us.
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@girv73
Oh dear, I suspected there would be others who sent money, but don't visit Aorg so often. Your money puts the known sum to around 3,000 Euros. Quite a lucrative scam, eh.
Unfortunately, the letter to the Albstadt Police is already on its way (see my earlier post). All I can suggest is making contact yourself at the address I've given above.
You could either phone them or fax them and tell them to include you in the Binder case which they will know about in three or four days time. You could refer to my letter dated 4 May 2004. I'll send you details by Aorg's Private Mailing system.
[EDIT: Erm, where's the PM button gone?]
Cheers,
JaX
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@JaXamin
Click on user nickname and on the user details the PM button is under the avatar.
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@CU_Amiga
What would you like cgutjahr to do? If he gets face to face with Binder, who knows what could happen? It could turn nasty. We shouldn't ask anyone to risk themselves on our behalf, especially now the Police are involved.
If anyone pays Binder a visit and gets involved in anything physical, our fraud case could fall apart around our ears. So,let the Police deal with Binder and his cronies.
Cheers,
JaX
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I know his email address doens't working anymore but is his phone still connected?
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@JaXanim,
I didn't mean a fight. It may be better if someone wen't face to face with him as a lot more would have been said instead of waiting to exchange emails. There would be no messing around, and hopefully it wouldn't end up in violence. I don't think the Police can do anything anyway. I will be very surprised if i got a fiver from this case.
@punkpie
Good point.
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I'm just collecting stuff to send off to the credit card company now to see if they can/will do anything. I recommend anyone else who use CC to do the same.
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@technoid: what sort of 'stuff' are you collecting?
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address, phone number, amount of money stolen, other people to point this was a mass fraud, police details, case number (if or when it comes) etc i assume
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Not a part of this, but best of luck to you all. :-(
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Ditto that.
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THE most important thing to have to send to your credit card company, is a copy of an email or some other statement by the seller where he indicates he will send the item in return for the amount agreed. I assume because this is evidence of fraud - if there's no promise by the seller to give you anything, then he cannot be found to have defrauded you.
I had to do something similar last year, I sent my CC company ALL correspondence I had with the person who defrauded me, which I had kept. They recovered everything in the end, and even refunded the interest accrued on my CC as a result.
Incidentally, this was a result of an eBay transaction. Despite frequent contact with both eBay and PayPal, eBay did nothing (inasmuch as the user's account remained active and eBay didn't compensate me) and PayPal refunded me something like 10% which equated to ~ 30GBP....
Good luck guys
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Anyone with his phone number... has anyone tried contacting him again?
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Yes. I still think it may help seeing him face-to-face though. Any news on the police?
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@All concerned
Just a quick update.
The letter is now in Germany and awaits delivery.
JaX
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and what happens?
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Well, you wait untill it is delivered obviously %).
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I mean after that!
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I guess the only thing you guys can do is hope that the German polizei will investigate and prosecute...
Perhaps it's an idea to write to German civil rights TV programs? Here in NL there's a TV prog which does nothing else than investigate and put the face of frauds on TV.
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@all that send info to JaXanim
If its ok with everyone involed i want to send a copy of JaXanim mail to the swedish cops. Cuz if i do i can get western union to give me all information about where the guy took out the money and ID-nr. And that can be of good use, and send it forward to the german cops.
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@All involved
I will try to send a copy of the letter to Flowman when each of the seven other 'members' give me the OK to do so.
If you do not wish your details to go, let me know.
I'll send nothing until I get feedback (via PM or on here) from the seven others. It may take a short while I guess.
[EDIT2: Yes it's seven others, forgot a late-comer. See below]
Cheers,
JaX
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I really can't see how sending a letter to the swedish police will help, but ok, I can't hurt.
If you want to include me that's ok.
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@All concerned
Other than Flowman and myself (JaXanim), I need feedback from:
NightShade737
CU_Amiga
punkpie
Jose
PulsatingQuasar
Preacher..OK
x56h34....OK
Cheers,
Jax
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Feedback on what exactly?
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@NightShade737
If i can use the same letter jax sent to the german police. And send it to the swedish.. Cuz if i do i can get western union to send info about the guy geting the money to the swedish police. And then we can see where he took it. Maybe the guy we are looking for isnt in albstad.
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Yeah, sure, whatever....
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@JaXanim
Yeah, sure. That's fine by me. Anything to actually help this situation.
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@JaXanim,
Check you pmail.
That address we sent the money to must belong to someone (unless its a flat)
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OK. Maybe it will help.
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Hallo to all,
sorry my english is very bad. i think its importand for you all.
i know mr. bernd binder. i bought me a car about 1900 euro. he sad its ok. but it wasn´t ok.
i send him the money before. if i saw the car, he sad sorry i have no money. its your car - not my problem.
i think he had stolen your money at the modern art.
i know, allways when it is danger for him - he write that he have to go to hospital.
he makes business at ebay, faircar.de, mobile.de and others.
best luck to you all
bernd layer
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@layer
Hello layer, thanks for joining Aorg and telling us about your problem with Binder. It's clear this guy is an out and out rogue and swindler.
The info you have given may be of some help later.
@All concerned
Only Jose has yet to respond to Flowman's suggestion. I've emailed him to check it out. When I get his OK, I'll email the letter to Flowman.
Cheers,
JaX
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Hi, sorry for late reply. I don't mind at all.
Cheers
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@Flowman
Check your PM pls.
Cheers,
JaX
[EDIT: Thanks. Now check your email
@All concerned
Flowman now has copy of Police letter]
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@layer
Hi. Thank you for joining us here but may I ask, how did you find us?
Lee
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Hoya!
Everyone is going ahh ohh with Europe but I think what Europe needs is an Organism helping people who have been ripped off, no matter the country.
For now, it seems WAY too easy to rip someone off from another country and get away with it...
I cannot do anything to help you but I am with you in thought. ;-)
Be funky
M A D
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We call it Interpol. That´s why you need to get in touch with all your local police forces and tell them everything and tell them that everyone else in the other countries is doing the same thing. Then they have to contact Interpol.
Just my 2cents. :-)
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Hallo,
i´m very angry about Bernd Binder. I´m was tipping the letters B E R N D B I N D E R in "google.de" There are your forum and i find you.
For us it´s to late - but maybe we can warn some new clients from binder
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@all concerned
I recieved a recommended letter today and indeed, there was a reciept from the 'Deutche Post AG, 72461 Albstadt'
(The blury stamp on the letter says Albstadt also).
The date says '19.04.04 16:58'. 'CSPPC 604/233 MHz', my initials and my country is written by hand with an ink pen.
The reciept seems to be genuine. There's URL at the bottom that says's 'www.deutschepost.de/briefstatus'. Of course I went right ahead to search for my package, but all I could find out was that the parcel had been delivered to some central for international distribution at 20.04.04.
Here is the answer from the german postal service site:
'Die Sendung wurde am 20.4.2004 an das Internationale Briefzentrum zur Weiterbeförderung ins Ausland übergeben.'
Translate, anyone??
There is also an international service phone number, wich I most definitely will call tomorrow. Of course you will be the first to know the result, as I post any updates here.
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That's fantastic news. At least someone has recieved something.
@preacher
Where in the world are you?
I run the german through the babelfish translator.
"The transmission was handed over to 20.4.2004 to the international letter center for reforwarding abroad"
So. It seems your package is actually stuck at some sort of central handling place. Hopefully that's where ours are.
There's still some hope yet then...
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@punkpie
I live in Sweden.
I also ran the word 'übergeben' in an online german-swedish translator and got the word 'puke' or 'throw up' :lol:
@all concerned
There is still something fishy about it. Since the letter is recommended, it has a trackingnumber. I used that number on the german postal site, but I had to guess the date it was sent because the stamp on the letter is too blury and the site requires a date to be able to search. Now, on 20.04.2004 I finally got a match. Assuming they don't use the same trackingnumber for several letters/parcels at different dates, I got what I wanted.
(note: this is still an assumption)
The wierd thing is that Tibor sent me an email on April 22, where he asked me again for my address. Quote:
'Need again your address to check it, and I send you than the bill and the id number of the parcel.'
Why would he ask me for my address if he already sent the letter? Or is this just paranoid thinking... (?) :-o
Maybe he sent me a brick...
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And the Saga continues
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Wow good news, finally. Well at least apparently...
I had some stuff retained in customs before for no apparent reason and with some pressure they got it processed.
The strange thing is that since this all goes to different countries it's strange that all got stuck at the same time.
But if it's some "central for international distribution" that would be an explanation, cause all stuff would go throught that place.
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@Jose
The problem is if they are in customs they could stillbe stuck there for quite a while.
@preacher
If Bernd is telling the truth then he had a lot to sell. Maybe it's just hard keeping track of all the orders he had so he to ask everyone again. I got an similar email from him around that time.
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@punpkie
Yeah, but hey, if that's the case, it's still great news that the cards exist :-o Unless he sent us a brick like preacher said :-D
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Mmmm...it does sound promising doesn't it.
@preacher
I guess your 'recommended' letter is actually the 'registered' letter Binder referred to. If so, it will have a unique reference number/bar code which allows you (theoretically) to track it. I say theoretically, because once the article gets into 'the system' it could stay in one place for a long time. So there'd be no updates from the tracking engine.
The letter I sent to Albstadt Police is tracked to the point where it was 'handed over to the services abroad for delivery'. That has been the result for the past five days or so.
Maybe the Police letter and our cards/receipts are all stuck in this 'Redistribution Center'? Whatever is going on, your letter puts the German system in a very bad light. Even worse than others have said about it. It's unbelievable!
I guess we will all be keenly awaiting our mail delivery over the next few days - or maybe weeks!
Cheers,
JaX
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And to think that I've just finished typing a request for information on the guy to Paypal... 8-) Not that it still can't go all wrong though.
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If it turns out OK, I won't mind having egg on my face one bit! I'll have a PPC card to compensate!
If it really is the scam we all think it is, we've done the right thing.
AND, if this thread gets any longer, there'll be the Film Rights to consider! Hollywood blockbusters have been made with less!
Cheers,
JaX
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Mr. Binder has, maybe without his own knowledge, created the longest thread in Amiga.Org history :-P
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@all concerned
If anyone else gets one of these registered lettes can you let us know. Lets home there are actually more of these letters somewhere around. :-)
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@Jax
I think we done the right thing. Given the time that has passed, and without almost any communication from the seller, it was the only sane thing to do.
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Another thing, E-Mails I send to his account are NOT bouncing btw...
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@precher
Nice.. why dosnt i get a mail =) i live in sweden 2.
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Because you're Bernd Binder?
Haha, just kidding!
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Grrr why does everyone think that :-P
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Hoya!
Because of your avatar! ;-)
Be funky
M A D
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It's been a while since I have realy looked at this thread but anyway. As I mentioned before, when I bought an 060 from Bernd Binder it took ~3 months to reach me and the date on the postage stamp contained the date at which he said he had posted it. So when I paid for the PPC this time (though I dealt with a Tibor but the rest of the details for bank account/address etc was the same) I just assumed it was going to be the same deal.
It also took ~3 months for some Amiga hardware I bought from the US to arrive and again, the date on the stamp was the date I was told it was posted on.
I have to admit though, after reading all that was going on here not long after the bank cheque I sent to Germany got processed, I definately started feeling a tad worried :(
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:crazy:
I think i need a vacation!
How long has it been around about since he sent the cards?
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I have a major problem with companies and private sellers who take months to deliver. The problem is that they don't tell you it's going to take ages, even if they know! In my opinion, it is dishonesty on the part of the seller, and a part of the cost of the item.
The seller should be up front about any waiting times beyond one week (inside EU).
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ffs, why does it take so long? I can get packages from HK in under 3 days...
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Because they get stuck in customs if you use standard postal. They might be a bomb you know ;) I hope I dont have to pay any handling charge if and when it comes...
I just looked through my back emails and I was told it was sent on 11 March 04. That's only 2 months so maybe I've still got a while to wait. :(
As I said last night though, at least things are looking up. :-D
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:
This thing ain't over till the Fat Postman sings!
Cheers,
JaX
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I've been on the phone for several hours today trying to track my parcel. A colleague in Germany helped me by talking to the 'Deutsche Post'. They claim that the parcel had been delivered to Sweden (ie. me) on 23.04.2004.
So, with only a german tracking number I started calling various postal companies in Sweden: Swedish Postal Service, DHL, EMS.
I've been jumping from department to department, but no one can find my parcel. Not a single hit!
So the only thing left, I'm told' is to make a complaint to the Deutsches Post. The only problem is that this complaint has to be done by THE SENDER! And you now how easy he is to find... Furthermore, he can't prove a thing, because I HAVE THE RECIEPT!
@punkpie
I'm not sure I'm that hopefull. yet... Sorry.
So my next step is to try contacting DHL in Germany to see if the parcel passed through their system, and maybe got a new trackingnumber (airbill number)
It's wierd that a large company like DHL in germany doesn't have a tollfree number... :pissed:
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Oh brother. No cards and one receipt. :lol:
The fact remains that none of us all over the world received a single card, so this is still 99.9% rated as a scam, in my book.
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*bump* :-)
any news? :-(
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This is getting even stranger... :-x
OK. I've actually come to the conclusion that this isn't a scam. I'm hopeful of that. Not unless the entire German/Swedish postal service is invloved. The only thing I can think of is that the parcels have been undevelivered and gone back to bernd. Which could well be a scam.
@preacher
Did the German Postal company actually say which address they claim it was delivered too?
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Hoya!
@x56h34
Which game is your avatar inspired from?
Postal services SUCK!
Be funky
M A D
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@MAD:
Creatures 1 and 2 from C64. :-)
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Hoya!
Thanks mate.
Be funky
M A D
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:bump:
Its gone quiet, i don't like that! :nervous:
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@CU_AMiGA
Let's hope it's the lull before the (Cyber)storm.
JaX
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@CU_AMiGA:
You just wanna show us your new avatar! ;-)
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@punkpie
Did the German Postal company actually say which address they claim it was delivered too?
No, just that they delivered it to 'the address in Sweden'... Either way, I have no proof that the parcel actually reached Sweden :-?
We have a very well-working postal service here and and they can't find the parcel.
The problem is that neither Deutche Post or DHL in Germany has a toll free number I can call (that I know of at least). If any of you find such a number, feel free to email me or send a PM. I will of course do my best to to try to find my parcel. I'll keep you posted.
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Anybody else recieve their receipt yet- weren't you all promised one?
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No parcels, no receipts, not even a peep from the cops.
Seems that hub of the EU dynamo (Germany) is but a sleepy shadow of the country it pretends to be!
JaX
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Did anyone else from Sweden buy a card? Has anyone else recieved a receipt?
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Im in sweden.. and havnt recived anything yet.
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:bump:
:nervous:
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Awww. I was hoping someone had some news when I saw this popup again :-(
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Just been to the post again myself...no bloody {bleep}ing anything!! :-x
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I dont think the police will do a thing. When I contacted them about DCE I got one email telling me they will investigate then noting any more from them. When I talked to a lawer about it I was told that I was out of luck basicly unless I flew to germany to talk to a german lawer. I wasnt about to try that for a $1000 accelerator card.
Good luck to all of you still!
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odin wrote:
I just won an auction on EBay by kralle900. It's getting weird:
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Rekeninghouder: Rene Nandke
Bankrekeningnummer: XXXXXXXX
ID-code bank: XXXXXXXXX
Naam bank: Postbank München
De verkoper zegt:
Kontoinhaber und ebay-Mitgliedsname sind nicht identisch - aber das ist in Ordnung.
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The last bit says that the EBay-membername and the accountholder's names are different. And that it is okay...
I requested the contact details of 'kralle900' from EBay, and that's our Mr. Toth:
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Gebruikersnaam: kralle900
Naam: Karoly Tóth
Bedrijf:
Plaats: Albstadt
Adres:
Land: Deutschland
Postcode: 72461
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No phone number or address given.....
:-?
For what it's worth, I haven't received anything from this Mr. Toth either.
He emailed me the 13th saying he was in hospital untill the weeked and that he would send the stuff then.
(Note this is not about PPC cards).
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What a way to scam people.
Buyer: Where is my stuff!?!?!?
Seller: Sorry...hospital...
Buyer: Where is my stuff!?!?!?
Seller: Sorry...hospital...
Buyer: Where is my stuff!?!?!?
Seller: Sorry...hospital...
Buyer: Where is my stuff!?!?!?
Seller: Sorry...hospital...
Buyer: Where is my stuff!?!?!?
Seller: Sorry...hospital...
etc...
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There must be a LOT of disgruntled buyers since Mr B is constantly getting beat up and hospitalized :pissed:
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The funny thing is that kralle900's feedback on EBay is quite reasonable...
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indeed
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So maybe he's not actually that bad after all... maybe it is the all the german post offices' fault. maybe. :-(
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An' maybe pigs might fly...!
An' maybe the Fat Postman really, really will sing...!
An' maybe we'll gather lilacs in the Spring again...!
An' maybe......!!
JaX
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Another update.
I got back home from work today, and behold...no not the PPC card, but the receipt has arrived. :lol:
Anyways, here's the deal. According to the receipt, the package was sent on April 5, 2004. Bernd said that the item was shipped on March 3, 2004. So even if this receipt is genuine and the parcel is real, his shipping date is about a month too late. So my point is, even if he has sent me something, it's been delayed by him for a month before actually sending it.
There is a tracking number on this receipt as well, my name written in hand, and a website which you can use to track the package with. It's http://www.deutschepost.de/briefstatus (http://www.deutschepost.de/briefstatus). I've looked up the tracking number in the system and I got a message which translates to something like this: "The transmission was handed over to 5.5.2004 to the international letter center for reforwarding abroad.". So I guess the next day, this international letter center got the shipment, but then what happened? I don't know. That's all it says.
BTW, the envelope in which the receipt was sent has got a stamp with a date that says "May 20, 2004". It was sent to me only 2 days ago, heh. I can believe this as the stamps on the envelope add up to 5.50EUR in total, so this was a very fast letter shipment, I would assume.
OK, so it seems that something is in the mail for me...but where is it? Why haven't I received it? :-?
What does everyone think?
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by JaXanim on 2004/5/21 23:08:37
An' maybe pigs might fly...!
An' maybe the Fat Postman really, really will sing...!
An' maybe we'll gather lilacs in the Spring again...!
An' maybe......!!
mhhh . . .fat . . .postman . . .could it be Thomas Dellert?
He has already found an alternative job? it could be :-)
Good luck guys :-)
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I still think we're screwed. I haven't received either yet and I live next to Germany. I have ordered stuff from companies in Germany that took about a week to receive me.
It's all taking way to long.
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Good morning all. I just got a knock at the door (at 9 am on a saturday morning I may add ;)) and, low and behold, my receipt has arrived.
Doing a quick check on the status page I get a different message to the last 2 people that checked.
"The transmission became to 27.4.2004 in the post office branch Poststr. 30, 72458 Albstadt in-supplied. Unfortunately no further information could be found to this transmission."
Bugger. Or am I looking in the wrong place?
The receipt states the card was sent on the 27th April, not March. I think these cards were sent a lot longer after he said. The date stamp on the receipt also states it was sent on 17-05-2004. This is getting weirder.
Also how much did it state on the receipt on your receipts the cost for mailing was? Mine says 2,05 EUR. That's not a very large ammount for internationally mailing a parcel. Maybe that has something to do with it?!
One last thing. Why the hell was I charged 11GBP for mailing when he only spend 2,05 EUR on it. Anyone with a knowledge will know thats a considerable difference.
I do still believe these cards were sent. But I still think it has something to do with the parcel service used and the fact he sent them after he said he had.
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If shipping was really only 2,05 EUR he didn`t send it as a pacel but as a Europe Maxiletter. This will explain the limmited tracking possibilities and the card would be packed in a very slim cardbox the Deutsche Post has to offer. I have such a cardbox here and theoretical a PPCcard could fit in there, but the chances it would survive the delivery would be very slim.
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Well, if he did that with our cards then I'll bet they were allready dead when he sent them. Why else should you use such a rediculous sending method.
I still think we're screwed. These receipts mean absolutely nothing to me. He could have had help from someone at the postal service. And from the news I saw a few months ago, this isn't at all that unlikely.
And I also still don't have a receipt.
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That doesn't sound good :(
Can you send a maxletter outside of Europe? I noticed x56h34 was in Canada.
@x56h34
How much did it say yours was to send?
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Interesting considering he was charging 11 euros for shipping...
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Still haven't recieved a bloody thing yet! :pissed:
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@punkpie:
It doesn't say how much it cost to send it anywhere on the receipt. Where does it say on yours?
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its says it about a 3rd of the way down, on the right.
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It doesn't say anything, unfortunately.
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guys, one word of advice...
patience!
the reason why its taking so long is self explanable...
here is what i belive happened (happens to me alot) :
1. seller gives u a date, then he forgets it..delays and delays...
2. seller finds it ackward to admit he didnt send it when it was said so he keeps quiet about it.
3. package is sent and STOPPED by the customs due to the seller used unordinary packaging and most likely not enough stamps on it.
4. the customs + postal service does an investigation, and send the package to the next step , while this is happening they forward the reciet to the buyer + the extra fee for using too little stamp money (yes this is the BUYERS problem...ugh)
5. sellers package hits the new country marked with lots of weird ass notes and is stopped by the customs, then its opened and checked, if the seller is unexperienced then he probably forgot to make an EN22 or EN23 note on it so the customs automatically delay the package from 2 weeks to 4 weeks.
6. while everything is happening a dispute evolves between buyer and seller, seller wont admit that he failed and everything gets pretty ugly, then all of a sudden the package arrives to the house of the buyer and all is (hopefully) perfect and buyer sends a short mail where it states... IT CAME... all ok...bye..
i have had packages comming from usa that have taken over 4 months! and yes it was infact sent at the day the seller told me, why?...nah just protocols in the customs and this is normal , belive me thats why YOU ALWAYS GOTTA TELL SELLER TO USE AN EN22 OR EN23 package note where it states whats inside and value and the value shouldnt be higher than 20 uk pounds unless u want to pay alot of toll on it (doesnt count for EU country's , i mean from EU to EU its no prob but EU to UK = PROBLEM etc)
i am sure the packages will turn up at your house approx 3 weeks after the reciept came, but remeber it depends on where u live, ie if ure in the states u might get unlucky like i did, 4 MONTHS after the reciet came!
cheers and good luck .
ps:i dont think its a scam and i say this from experience.
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@all
I spoke with Deutsche Post just now and this time I got some more information from them. It turns out that the reference number on my reciept belongs to a parcel that has been delivered to Switzerland about a mount ago (23-04-2004)
The guy I talked to couldn't give away the reciever's address due to privacy reasons and we both agreed that the only thing left to do is for the seller to file a complaint towards Deutche Post. So, this is where I am right now. If I can't get hold of mr Binder, the only hope left is that the police will sort this out.
The guy I spoke with at the Deutsche Post was very nice, and I told him about our situation. I asked him if he could help some friends of mine track their parcels aswell. He agreed and with his permission I publish this:
Steffen Wagner, Deutsche Post, Investigation Bureau
+49 69 97 502 140
The aswering machine says welcome, basically, and that someone will answer soon. Just ask for Steffen. He speaks pretty good english, so that shouldn't be a problem. Would be interesting to see if mr Binder sent me the wrong reciept or if he just sent me 'a reciept'.
I kind of had a feeling that something like this might happen...
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To add fuel to this situation. I too got a receipt today!
It looks like a piece of paper you get from the supermarket with your grosseries listen on it.
It says the package was sent on 29-03-04. That's way later than he said it was. So the package is only on it's way for less than a month.
What's even more rediculous is the time it took for this receipt to receive me.
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To me it seems that the guy was counting on your monies to buy the card from a third person but something went wrong along the way. I don't mean to worry you even more, but what would have stopped him from posting, eehhm, say, a book, and then, when you try to complain, he'd claims that you are liars and in relity you got the cards?
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I think I'm sticking with lempkee on this one. I've had a few problems before with packages getting stuck in customs. I bought 2 tshirts from a US company. They took 2 months to get here and when they did I had to pay £19 in handling charges. Typical.
If the same thing happens to my card then I will pay the charges. I'll be annoyed but at least I'll get my card out of it. I just hope it works...
"think positive" 8-)
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Just FYI, I've still nothing at all...
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I dont know if I can buy off on it taking that long. I got a CSPPC card a few years ago from a guy in Germany and it only took three weeks to get to me here in the US. I also got a used CSPPC from Finland and it too only took three weeks. I think you all have been taken advantage of the huge need for PPC cards due to the OS4 thing still.
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Lempkee wrote:
(doesnt count for EU country's , i mean from EU to EU its no prob but EU to UK = PROBLEM etc)
ahem, i'll just remind you that the UK is in the EU :-P
[all be it because of the socialist labour party and mr blair... :lol: ]
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Why does everyone get stuff but me.. i want my receipt to.
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Well, I got my reciept and found out that my parcel was sent to Switzerland and that didn't make me any happier.
The guy is obviously a fraud. End of story. I'm sorry guys, but I'm getting quite tired at this.
The only thing left is to wait for the police to take some action.
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I agree with preacher. These receipts could be phony (they most likely are) and the tracking numbers on them do not provide any useful info at all. I mean the receipts may be genuine, but they do not provide enough proof that they represent OUR packages and not some misc. stuff (previously delivered to someone else, and unrelated to our problem here) which Binder is trying to use to deceive us even further.
The fact that preacher's tracking indicated that the package was shipped to an entirely different country gives you a good enough reason, IMHO, that this is a scam. I mean how likely is it that postal office sent a package to an entirely different country, by mistake?
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I mean how likely is it that postal office sent a package to an interely different country, by mistake?
@x56h34
Funny you mention this. I actually asked the guy at Deutche Post that and he told me that's impossible. Of course, packages can get lost and so on, but they will never be delivered if the address don't match.
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@Flowman
I still haven't received anything either...(Portugal here).
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Everybody else has posted in here, i guess i might as well get one in too.
:-)
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@All concerned
I don't think it helps much for people to post here just for the sake of it. We aren't all gonna go away after all. This thread will keep getting bumped up by helpful comment till the Fat Postman sings - however long that may take.
@girv73
@koaftder
Are you both victims of this scam or what? If so, you have both appeared very late in the day!
JaX
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JaXanim wrote:
@All concerned
I don't think it helps much for people to post here just for the sake of it. We aren't all gonna go away after all. This thread will keep getting bumped up by helpful comment till the Fat Postman sings - however long that may take.
@girv73
@koaftder
Are you both victims of this scam or what? If so, you have both appeared very late in the day!
JaX
girv is, koaftder just posted here because everyone else has
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Kind of pointless.
Can people stop bumping the thread unncecessacarily, it makes people think something has actually happened. When people have news they will post it, it isn't like they are just going to forget about the thread.
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It's getting weirder. I finally received the Ebay auction I won off of kralle900; I received a package with the sender being Bernd Binder on the label. In it I found 2 two euro coins, a 'Print Studio Pro' CD-ROM and a letter where he explained that he didn't have the 'Personal Paint' CD anymore (which the auction was about). He had multiple copies and thinks he sold one too many (perhaps, he wasn't sure (?)).
It seems, while he may be a bit untidy and absent-minded, he is an honest and friendly person(s?).
The package was sent the 24th of May. Underneath the addresslabel bearing my address was another label where the addressee was Bernd Binder. Sent to the same address which he put on my label as senderaddress. The postal stamp says 'Briefzentrum 72' and '24-05-04'.
The address is BTW the same as the one preacher posted on page 13 of this thread. It looks like he isn't using a phoney address after all.
Mind you the amount of money involved in this particular transaction is negligable when compared to the #?PPC#? cards.
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Fun thing i just checked my mail i never read.. and guess what i found it it from mars 25.. my parcel tracking nr.. =) fun now i need to call tomorrow and check it out.
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@odin:
And this officially makes me totally confused. :-?
At this point, it kind of seems possible that he was late on sending our cards, plus he used surface mail which takes months to get delivered, but I am still 90% in "I got scammed!" mode. :-(
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I just don't get it. As for myself, the package has already been delivered, but to the wrong address. The rest of you that actually got a reciept - call Deutsche Post and ask where your parcel is. I find it VERY hard to believe that a guy could mix up 10 reciept out of 10, and just send them to people without double checking that he actually sent them to the right person. On top of it all, he cancels his email address, so that no one can get hold of him. Maybe he suffers from ahlzimers or something...
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Well, as long as we are guessing :-), how about this theory.
Since he is often in the hospital, maybe he needed the money to fund something, like an operation, and thus scammed us to get some badly needed funds? :-?
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Got my receipt today from the post, was probably there since Monday or Tuesday.
I don't know german at all so here's the results that the nr. I got gets on the German post's site, maybe you can translate it. I replaced the tracking nr. with asterisks, but if any of you want it to compare or something just say it. The thing was shipped on 14.04 by the way.
Hier können Sie den Sendungsstatus Ihrer EINSCHREIBEN und NACHNAHME
Sendungen abfragen.
Den Sendungsstatus zu Paket- & Expresssendungen finden Sie auf der Website
von DHL.
Einzel-
abfrage
Abfrage für
Geschäftskunden
Ihre Anfrage führte zu folgendem Ergebnis:
*************:
Es konnten keine Informationen zur Sendung gefunden werden.
Für weitere Fragen/Informationen wenden Sie Sich bitte an unseren Kundenservice Einschreiben und Nachnahme National 01805/29 06 90 (12 ct je angefangene 60 Sek. im Festnetz) Mo. - Fr. 8 - 18 Uhr.
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Ihre Anfrage führte zu folgendem Ergebnis:
*************:
Es konnten keine Informationen zur Sendung gefunden werden.
Is the only interesting bit, unfortunately it reads:
Your request led to the following result:
*************:
No information for the shipping could be found
:-(.
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lempkee wrote:
i have had packages comming from usa that have taken over 4 months! and yes it was infact sent at the day the seller told me, why?...nah just protocols in the customs and this is normal , belive me thats why YOU ALWAYS GOTTA TELL SELLER TO USE AN EN22 OR EN23 package note where it states whats inside and value and the value shouldnt be higher than 20 uk pounds unless u want to pay alot of toll on it (doesnt count for EU country's , i mean from EU to EU its no prob but EU to UK = PROBLEM etc)
But most of the recipients are in the EU, therefore, apart from scanning the packages for prohibited substances etc, there should be no customs to deal with. Rememeber, no duty to import from one EU country to another....
Oh, and UK is part of the EU, despite what some people may think :lol:
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@odin
Thx. Well, even worse than I thought.. at least it could be in that mail central service that others mentioned...
I'm glad Jax helped us geting our info to the police, but I'm starting to doubt it will work ... They'll probably tell us to get a lawyer, wich will slowly take more money off our pockets. I remember the european community had some entity to solve, or help in cases like this, or am I wrong?
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@Jose
Just out of curiosity, did you receipt have a price on it? And how much was it if it does?
Also did he write anything on the receipt in a similar way to the rest of us?
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Did the people who received a postal receipt have to ask to get it sent to them or did they get it automatically? I am assuming the former since as far as I know I never got one. Either that or it has been lost in the mail with my PPC accel card and GFX card.
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@punpkie
No, couldn't find any price.
There was something written that was then filled with lines over it...
@prowler
I didn't ask specifically for the receipt, but I did send two or three mails asking what happened with the card.
I'm still gonna try to phone the german post when I get home and see what they get with that number..
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how did ur guys tracking nr look like.. ?? cuz i still havnt got my receipt.. but i have that nr he mailed me 3 months ago.
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@jaxanim: yep I'm involved in this. I ordered a PPC+BVision
off an Amibench advert, total cost 250GBP. I just discovered
this thread the day after the letter was sent to the German
police.
Of course I have received no hardware but my "receipt"
arrived today (UK-land)!
It came in an airmail envelope "LUFTPOST PAR AVION
PRIORITAIRE" postmarked 27/5/2004 by Deutsche Post
with postage 2.60EUR.
The receipt itself looks a little something like this:
....
Deutsche Post AG 72461 Albstadt
85052729 4270 22.04.04 16:05
(handwritten) "PPC - John Girvin"
Sendungsnummer: RG 3255 2525 4DE
Einschreiben International
....
The Deutsche Post parcel tracker told me:
"The transmission was handed over to 23.4.2004 to the
international letter center for reforwarding abroad"
I dunno what to make of all this really...TBH I'm still in
a "You've Been Scammed" mindset and probably only the
arrival of a PPC card will change that.
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@girv73
Welcome to the Club!
At least you and several others have got the 'receipt' of posting. However, nobody appears to have got anywhere with it, other than getting more frustration.
Maybe the Royal Mail could help? If I finally get my receipt, I'll ask them what they know about the Deutsches Post system.
Maybe worth calling Royal Mail Customer Care on 08457 740 740.
Cheers,
JaX
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Finally got my reciept yesterday:
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Einlieferungsbeleg/Quittung
Bitte Beleg gut aufbewahren!
Deutsche Post AG 72461 Albstadt
85052729 2696 17.05.04 11:51
PPC Reynolds (handwritten)
....................................
Sendungsnummer: RG 3255 3501 3DE
Einschreiben International
(Blankspace)
....................................
Servicenummer National
Telefon: 0 18 05/29 06 90
12 ct/60 Sek. im Festnetz
Mo.-Fr. 8-18h
Servicenummer International
Telefon: 0 18 01/80 55 55
4,6 ct/60 Sek. im Festnetz
Mo.-Fr. 8-18h und Sa. 8-14h
Internet: www.deutschepost.de/briefstatus
Vielen Dank fur Ihren Besuch
Ihre Deutsche Post AG
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What am i meant to do with this reciept and what part of it is the tracking number? I typed down all of the reciept details, so that should help.
Cheers,
Oh yeah, and :bump: :-)
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I should think the tracking no is "RG 3255 3501 3DE"
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Thanks. But i don't have a clue what to do on the site. Can sopmeone do it for me? Cheers.
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@CU_AMiGA:
If you go to that page, and click on the link that says "Sendungsstatus" and afterwards enter the tracking number and date on the receipt, you'll get a message that says (translated to English):
The transmission was handed over to 19.5.2004 to the international letter center for reforwarding abroad.
The usual message, it seems. It only gives you a bit more hope, since the date is May 19, which isn't bad, assuming that Binder actually sent something to you on May 19.
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Hi all!
I've finally took time to do something more and phoned the german post investigation department or something, and told them the situation and gave the nr. on my receipt.
The result is that my order has been deliveredto Sweden :pissed:
The person that attended the phone suggested that the guy might have been stupid and exchanged the receipts.
So if anyone got one to Portugal let me know...
I'll happily give my nr. to someone from Sweden that has the wrong receipt.
I think the best way is to call:
Deutsche Post, Investigation Bureau
+49 69 97 502 140
They go through various ways to find the thing I think. I couldn't find anything on the german post site and I was pretty sure I had filled the forms and stuff as others suggested.
Now the guy makes us look around like fools for the receipts ... :-x
By the way I was told the package corresponds to a very bad, and small enclosure almost for letters and small things, according to what the person told me. I also told her the price of the item and she said that that shipping method doesn't allow insurance not even close to 300Euro :pissed:
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She also told us to get a loyer together...
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Two more details:
She told me that with the tracking nr. one should get the flight nr. Then with the flight nr. one can make an investigation on the country of delivery, if I understood correctly.
Whatever correcponds to my receipt was delivered on the 24th of April (or was it May, but I'm pretty sure it was April...) to Sweden.
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The receipts are phony, no doubt about it. He must have used our names as reference to something entirely different, which was actually sent to other countries, but it sure wasn't the non-existing ppc cards.
Example:
He goes to postal office and sends a package to Sweden for let's say some music CDs, and in the comments/reference section he puts "Jose - PPC" and then sends THAT receipt to you when you complain about not receiving anything. He makes himself look like he actually sent the package to you, but it's all a reference section trick.
I can only hope that Police could do something about this.
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@x56h34
Yes, but it still would be nice to be able to track one of those packages and see what was really in it...
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@Jose
I agree, but the logic in me just doesn't want to quit, I guess. :-) I mean, how many times can postal office screw up and send 10 out of 10 packages to a wrong country from the same sender? :-)
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Whats happened to JaX? Has he any news?
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@CU_AMiGA
No, nothing. If I get any feedback at all, I'll post immediately.
Haven't even had an acknowledgement of receipt of the letter to Albstadt Police. I sent it at extra cost to get a signed for receipt, but Royal Mail's tracking system appears to be as useless as the Deutsches Post version.
Using Royal Mail's tracking system, I can't get beyond the ubiquitous message that the package has been 'handed over to others for delivery abroad'.
What's the point of paying extra for tracking when the track is lost once the mail leaves our shores! It seems as far as Royal Mail is concerned, it's out of their hands. So why do they charge so much?
I tried to get an answer to that question by calling the Customer Care Centre. All you get there are recorded messages saying they're too busy to do extra searching beyond the automated service (which as I said is useless!)
They're 'very busy ensuring the mails get delivered on time'....unquote
So how come they're making millions in profit this year but have missed every single productivity target set by the Regulator? (OffPost I think it is).
Anyway, I've nothing to add other than I haven't even got my 'binder-receipt' yet.
Cheers,
JaX
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Dunno guys,
I think your best bet is to plan a vacation to Germany and drop by Mr. Binder (or Bender more like) in person (and I don't mean to beat him up, but just to face him).
And Germany is a nice holiday country! Or so I've been told :-).
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Some update
i checked out jose tr nr today.. and some guy in malmö have picked it up 04-04-21.. have phone nr to the guy and will check out what he got, and why he have jose package.
@jose
i have pm u all the info
@to all other
does u guys have msn icq irc or something where we can talk.. cuz this 28 pages thread isnt the esiest way to comunicate =) pm me and u will get my msn or icq.
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What's the point of paying extra for tracking when the track is lost once the mail leaves our shores! It seems as far as Royal Mail is concerned, it's out of their hands. So why do they charge so much?
You can probably use your tracking nr. on deutsche post's homepage. The packages coming from abroad entering Norway always keeps the original tracking-nr., you just have to use it with the respective offices postal service. (In this example Norway's.)
Most probably the german post works the same way. Find their site and punch in the tr.nr.(from GB or from wherever you sent it), and see if you get anything useful. It usually works for me.
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@Morley
Oh, never thought of that. Good idea!
So, I've been to the Deutsches Post websit and tried to track the letter from there.
Guess what? The Shipment Status service for registered letters crashes! System Server Error.....
See, just like the Royal Mail service, useless!
One thing I did notice (btw, there's an English version) was the price schedule for various forms of package registration and delivery. Each tier of service is only a few Euros. Maybe this could explain the seemingly low postal rates apparently used for the packages (those with receipts that is). The cost may just be for the extra registration service (?).
If anyone with a receipt checks on the website, they may figure out what the cost recorded on the receipt actually paid for.
Other than that...ZZZZ...zzzz....zzzz....
JaX
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Hoya
As extreme as it may seem...
Since you have been ripped off for quite an ammount.
Since MANY people have been had.
Since you KNOW each other.
Since MANY AORg members can read this thread...
Since the German/English/whatever postal service just DOES NOT give a damn
I guess you have quite a bit of legitimacy.
So, what about contacting a BIG organism, like Interpol or a European commission against fraud? I know, it may sound easy to say but after all, WHY on Earth Binder, who appears more and more to be a crook, should win???
Just my two pence :-)
Hope you will win...
Be funky
M A D
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MAD wrote:
Hoya
As extreme as it may seem...
Since you have been ripped off for quite an ammount.
Since MANY people have been had.
Since you KNOW each other.
Since MANY AORg members can read this thread...
Since the German/English/whatever postal service just DOES NOT give a damn
I guess you have quite a bit of legitimacy.
So, what about contacting a BIG organism, like Intrpol or a European commision against fraud? I know, it may sound easy to say but after all, WHY on Earth Binder, who appears more and more to be a crook, should win???
Just my two pence :-)
Hope you will win...
Be funky
M A D
isn't interpol to do with copyrighted movie stuff?
oh wait, that's fact...
euro pol could be useful...
apart from a visit and "having a _friendly_ face smashed to table...i mean, heart to heart" :-)
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@MAD
It may be worth a try, I suppose. After all, what do we (the UK) transfer £50million a day into Brussels for?
(I don't expect an answer to that question, so please anyone, don't divert this thread!)
I'll put together a comprehensive email to OLAF (the EU Fraud Commission) and see what happens. Clearly the Postal services are too busy making profits to get concerned about their customers!
Don't expect an overnite update on this. It'll take a while to compose.
Cheers,
JaX
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@JAX and everybody else
Why not just call the police in Albstadt and ask if they have got the letter and have taken some steps? Some of you that have been frauded must speak german, and if you don't, somebody at the police is sure to speak english.
Remember, -Germany is definetly _not_ a banana republic, I would be very surprised if mr. Binder or whoever he is gets away with this in the end. Maybe he has spent all your money and it can't be recovered, but at least he'll get busted.
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@Everyone concerned
I just sent an appropriately modified copy of the letter to the Europen Union Fraud Commission (OLAF).
Don't hold breath, but stay hopeful!
JaX
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As strange as it sounds has anyone actually tried speaking to Mr Binder again? :-?
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Morley wrote:
Remember, -Germany is definetly _not_ a banana republic, I would be very surprised if mr. Binder or whoever he is gets away with this in the end. Maybe he has spent all your money and it can't be recovered, but at least he'll get busted.
Dont be so quick to assume. DCE has got away with the exact same thing, only in reverse. They took cards and never fixed them and kept them all. The numbers they have is far more money then these 10 cards you all are talking of. I know of 25 from Software Hut here in the US alone. I sent a letter out myself to the local police in DCE's town and got nothing back other then asking for more information, and then nothing again.
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Hey guys. So any news :-?
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Acill wrote:
Morley wrote:
Remember, -Germany is definetly _not_ a banana republic, I would be very surprised if mr. Binder or whoever he is gets away with this in the end. Maybe he has spent all your money and it can't be recovered, but at least he'll get busted.
Dont be so quick to assume. DCE has got away with the exact same thing, only in reverse. They took cards and never fixed them and kept them all. The numbers they have is far more money then these 10 cards you all are talking of. I know of 25 from Software Hut here in the US alone. I sent a letter out myself to the local police in DCE's town and got nothing back other then asking for more information, and then nothing again.
Uargh...why is it always really big bad guys that always get away? The german police never forget about my speeding-tickets...two more and I'll loose my permit to drive in Germany :lol:
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any one kicked his butt yet?
Its the lowest of the low, caniving money out of vulnerable, easily-led, weak-minded techies, otherwise known as Amigans :-)
Next I think we should go after Eyetech and those AmigaONE dudes :-)
Only kidding I am totally pro-A1, though I dont like the restrictions placed on us, I can appreciate how they came to be.
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So we are just going to sit back and let this geezer get away with this mass murder?! :pissed:
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
So we are just going to sit back and let this geezer get away with this mass murder?! :pissed:
Don't sit back. Call the police in Albstadt every day and ask them what is happening. Pester them. Every bl**dy day.
If you act like you don't care, (ie. send a letter and then just do the waiting game), they're gonna put the case in a drawer and forget about it. You _have_ to be annoying in order to get them to work on a headache
like this case.
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I think somone has already rang the police. I think we should get a member living in Germany to pay Bernd a visit. I am fed up of playing the good guy.
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Morley wrote:
CU_AMiGA wrote:
So we are just going to sit back and let this geezer get away with this mass murder?! :pissed:
Don't sit back. Call the police in Albstadt every day and ask them what is happening. Pester them. Every bl**dy day.
If you act like you don't care, (ie. send a letter and then just do the waiting game), they're gonna put the case in a drawer and forget about it. You _have_ to be annoying in order to get them to work on a headache
like this case.
i agree
sorry, very sorry, i'm really really very sorry, i just had to :bump:
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@all:
Any news? :-)
I've checked the status of the eBay username "kralle900" and he is no longer a registered user.
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This is a joke isn't it? :-(
I have had enough of this nonsense. If anyone is living in Germany then PLEASE visit this address and demand where the hell our PPC cards are (and while you're at it, give him a black eye from me), it is the only option i can see now:
Bernd Binder
Heusteigstr. 35
72461 Albstadt
Germany
If this address gets deleted for whatever stupid nonsense or whatever (couldn't think why though cos this asshole has made monkeys out of all of us) then please pmail/email me.
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Still no resolve to this case? Wow, not thats a total shame. I agree with all of you. Someone needs to take a trip to his address, We have several regular German users here dont we?
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Maybe we should all chip in for the expenses, that is if someone from Germany is willing to visit Bernd, and has to travel a certain distance.
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Certainly. Seriously guys, this maybe ugliest way of handling things, but what chance have we got, we have no other options here. There was a German poster on this topic, i will hunt around and send him a PM.
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Okay PM him with address and link to this thread. Lets hope he replies.
Cheers,
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@all concerned
Getting someone (?) to go to Albstadt and give Binder a thumping may seem like a satisfactory way to deal with this issue. It would however, be just as illegal as the fraud he's purpetrated on us. In fact it might be regarded as a much more serious offence and anyone of you conspiring to cause him bodily harm might well end up an even bigger loser. Criminals are very streetwise when it comes to self-preservation and their victims often come off worst in any court action they bring. I have no doubt he would do that if someone injured him.
Please don't include me in any such plan.
I would suggest a visit to Albstsdt Police is the first thing to do by our 'local representative' (?)
Anyway, regular readers may remember me contacting the EU Fraud Department in Brussels (OLAF) some weeks ago. Well, by coincidence, I got a reply yesterday.
As might be expected, they aren't interested in this case. They said:
'Your case is not within the 'legal competance' of OLAF, whose responsibility is to protect the financial interests of the EU.'
So, they'll look after financial institutions and their billions, but individuals can get stuffed.
No surprises there then and a good example of why I voted for UKIP in the recent euro elections.
Cheers,
JaX
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I had a similar problem in South Africa with a very unscrupulous Amiga distributor back in the days when the A600 had just been released. I paid him a deposit and he imported the machine for me.
Well I got jerked around because he sold me a US A600 with a HUGE homemade hashed transformer connected to the powersupply. I said I wanted a standard UK powersupply, he messed me around for weeks promising it had been ordered, and in the end I took the A600 back and paid him the difference on a B2000.
But there was a problem with the ROMs and manuals (some missing) and when I opened the machine I could see he had put old second-hand ROMs in there. The legs were bent and scratched, and there was non-standard kit in there. So then we played this same game of phone calls, excuses, empty promises, and in the end my patience ran out.
We paid a friendly visit to the guy one night when the whole family was there and said we would not move from the premises until a refund was given (for the whole setup) or the proper ROMs and manuals were handed over. No discussing, no physical stuff, just hanging around menacingly at the front door, that sort of thing.
The guy in the end opened a brand new Workbench 2.04 kit and I got the ROMs and manuals from that. Never dealt with him again.
In another incident involving a well-known electronics chain here in the UK, a friend of mine got a VHS that chewed the very first tape he played and then would do nothing but fast forward with any other tape. There was a weird smell of burning components from inside the machine. They took it back to the store and said 'It's busted, it chewed a tape, we want a refund or a replacement.'
The store lady said she was sorry but there were no more of those models left and she could give a replacement but not a refund since it could not be proved that the machine was not damaged by my mate's tape. He said tapes don't make components burn in the machine and wanted to speak to the manager. She said she was sorry but the manager was away on an important workshop and would they like the replacement machine (and offered him a unit that was less spec and cheaper than the one that died). Of course my mate refused and said he wanted the equivalent or a refund. She said he could only have one the same value or less, and as there wasn't one the same value left, he must accept the lower model.
Well, he walked out of the store and waited just outside on the pavement. Every customer who wanted to come into the store, he turned around, shouting loudly : 'Don't buy from XXXXXX, they ripped me off and won't give me a refund.' This went on for only half an hour, with about 8 customers turned away. All of a sudden the manager (who had mysteriously returned early from his course) appeared and offered my mate some tea in his office. My mate got a VHS twice the value of the busted one, and some biscuits and a very polite apology for his suboptimal shopping experience at XXXXXX.
A pity you don't have contacts near where this Binder is, 'cos it would be nice especially in a small town for a few chaps to carry a few signs saying 'Binder is a rip-off' or 'Binder is a thief' kind of like a picket outside his house.
You can't get done for that. What's he going to do, call the police? What's he going to say? If he says the stuff has been sent, you can show the police the receipts and ask Binder to track them. I think as long as Binder isn't personally inconvenienced, you guys will get nothing.
But if it was me involved, I'd be taking a little holiday to Germany and there would be a few sandwich boards made when I got there...
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So you wanna go Ghandi on his ass? :)
( Passive resistance )
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>So you wanna go Ghandi on his ass? :)
>
>( Passive resistance )
I myself would find it more satisfying to go Ghandi 2 on the guy. For the vast majority that don't know what that means, watch UHF, Weird Al's movie. :)
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I don`t want to rain on anyones parade, Gentlemen, but.....
The only thing these people understand is the threat of physical violence!
I work in the building trade, and come across this type of person all of the time, they fob you off with excuse after excuse until they get pissed off with your persistence.
Then they don`t even bother to reply to phone calls, e-mails etc.
I think you can kiss your money goodbye, I`m sorry to sound so negative, but this is my gut feeling about this.
Although this is only my two pence worth!
Cheers
Steve
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As somebody already mentioned, Germany is not a banana republic - you can't just phone the police and tell them: "hey this guy sucks, go beat him up".
Bernd Binder has not committed a federal crime (in this case, the German authorities would have to investigate on their own), so you'll have to file an official complaint (I don't know the correct english term, 'to denounce' maybe?) - this usually involves filling out lots of papers and proving your own identity with a passport. I doubt that 'filing a complaint' is possible by simply sending a letter...
The only option I can see (I'm far from being an expert in this regard) would be to hire a (German) lawyer.
He probably would send a few letters to the address mentioned in this thread and then (asssuming the recipient won't answer) he could contact the authorities on your behalf.
The problem is that the amount of money involved is not exactly huge (compared to a lawyer's salary...)...
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WOW! This thread's going on forever! I haven't followed it, so I don't know where it went, but it seems to be a hot topic of discussion. :-)
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x56h34 wrote:
@all:
Any news? :-)
I've checked the status of the eBay username "kralle900" and he is no longer a registered user.
I see a new user called "binder900" on eBay selling Amiga stuff. Coincidence?
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Ghandi 2 rocks... Maybe you should go at him Conan the librarian style? :)
Anyway, to contribute to the thread, I have been scammed aswell. Not on e-bay, but a local guy here in Sweden. He cheated me out of ~700 €. He went to court and my claim, together with 52 or so others, got him convicted to pay everyone their money back. Since I didn´t get it from him, I filed a report with "Repo" ( Not sure what the english word is, but the guys that go after you if you owe a lot of money to someone. Not bikers, but the legal institution ) and they said that he didn´t have anything of value.
He has scammed hundreds of people on more than 40.000€ alltogether, but the PTB can´t touch him... All the money is probably on an account that isn´t in his name. He has a car, but they can´t touch it, since its registered to his mom, or whatever... Hate that guy... He makes a fortune on some poor {bleep}s, but he never has to pay anything back...
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I filed a report with "Repo" ( Not sure what the english word is, but the guys that go after you if you owe a lot of money to someone. Not bikers, but the legal institution )
Hey, guys!
Why don't you all just call the Angel's German subsidary, and ask them to handle this matter for you? :-)
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Perhaps binders licence plate number would help?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9895&item=7912935329
thats if it is his car...
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I bet it probably is. Perhaps someone should make a "purchase" and make sure his address is the same?
I've had enough too. It's about time the German police did something. Did we ever get any aknowledgement from them at all? Also, does anyone still have Mr Binders phone number?
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I've always had the theory that there are two people on the end of this: the REAL Bernd Binder who is innocent and resides at the given address, and the scammer- who has posed as Bernd to gain "credibility".
How did most of you end up paying him in the end? Paypal? BACS?
He wouldn't need to have a matching address to collect his money via those methods.
I remember CU telling me that he sent his money via post to him as cash. Well, for this- the REAL Bernd recieves CU's letter with cash, and takes the money.
Did anyone sent him a cheque through through the mail? Then we can check whether they are one and the same (Address will match Bank Account)
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This looks like the same person. kralle900 was selling car and Amiga parts, as well.
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What you can see on the picture is a temporary licence plate. It`s a bad photo but as far as I can see it expires on 21.08.04
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Someone buy a cheap item from him and then give out his email address so we can all give him a piece of our minds. I don't see why someone living in Germany can't visit this fraudster and question him, maybe even hold a Gandhi style protest.
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Hello Guys.
I have only just stumbled across this thread.
If anyone has any details of this person they would like to send to me I can add him to the ban file for AmiBench, Oddly no-one contacted me about this Seller so the first I heard about it was when I read this thread today.
Obviously I'm not very happy that you guys have been ripped off and I will do what ever I can do to help you sort this out.
if you wish to email me, with regards to this then please do.
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@all concerned
You can contact Binder via his eBay ID (binder900) using eBay's Member Contacting system.
I suggest everyone sends an eBay message to him asking where the Hell is your card? I did so earlier.
Let's make it quite clear to the creep that this ain't over yet.
Cheers,
JaX
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@all newcomers
I suggest that newcomers to this thread, who have theories on who is or who isn't responsible for this saga, should read the thread from the begining. It's all been discussed at great length and it serves no purpose to start yet more sub-threads on the issue.
Please keep this thread free for those who've been scammed and for anyone with practical or positive advice to help out. We've had all the other stuff yonks ago.
Many thanks,
JaX
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Hello
So guys. Let's settle this once and for all. There is DEFINATELY nothing we can do about this? Even after Binder gets released from prison or whatever?
Regards,
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It's a dead end. We already tried everything possible (without going directly to his house or prison :-)). Unless someone wants to pay Bernd a direct visit, what more is there to do really?
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ICBMs?
*sighs*
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Does anyone know what prison he is in, or how to find out?
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I've nothing new to add to this topic except to say that there appear to be several posts missing from the end of this thread dated 2004.
I received a letter from the Albstadt District Solicitor explaining that the PPC card issue would not be persued by the police because Binder was being charged with more serious offences.
I don't see that post, nor the translation someone added(?).
Whatever, I think this issue is quite dead. I reckon if there was any chance of getting our money back, the Police would have said so. If anyone is planning some sort of vendetta, please count me out, we have to move on.
Cheers,
JaX
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when I saw this thread poping up again I had just a small hope that there could be some good news....
"... because Binder was being charged with more serious offences."
Lame excuse wasn't isn't it ?! :pissed:
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I just don't like seeing very good money thrown away!
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Well I imagine that the only way to see the money you handed over is by throwing yet more money at this for lawyers and then taking him to some kind of Small Claims Court (Do they have such a thing in Germany). But then again, I don't think it will make it to court if the guy is serving for something more serious.
I think you'll just have to take it on the chin and remember this as a learning experience :-(
Looking back, it is quite scary as to how close I came to sending him my savings, literally one click away on Paypal!
Have you since bought another PPC, CU? I remember you had some bad luck with your other one.
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~Sighs~
Thanks for the information update. At least he's getting charged for something.
I managed to get another PPC card last month, from someone I know, for £40 so I'm quite happy about that. It's just a shame that so many other honest people were taken by this guy.
And I'm very sorry for starting this thread and alerting some people of him in the first place. It all looked so promising for a while.
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@punkpie
Actually, from another angle, your thread was very usefull. We may have got screwed, but thanks to your thread, it prevented other people from getting the same treatment as well.
Regards,
A PPC card for £40!!! :-o
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tangletown wrote:
Have you since bought another PPC, CU? I remember you had some bad luck with your other one.
That one is being negotiated. But i am keeping my mouth shut due to certain circumstances. I now have a Blizzard 1260, and don't plan on getting a PPC at the moment.
Regards,
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OK, not really bumping with this post, it's already exposed.
I spent around 3 hours reading this fascinating thread (with frequent breaks for tea) and was distraught to find the "business end" rudely chopped. So what happened? It seems he was arrested. Was this as a result of the JaX letter? Were there any hints in the local press as to what was going on?
My commiserations to all involved.
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@lurkist
I've no idea whether my letter to Albstadt Police contributed to Binder's arrest or whether it was merely coincidental to it. From my interpretation of the Solicitor's letter, they were not really connected.
Maybe someone from AOrg could indicate what happened to the transcript and translation of this letter? There was nothing sensitive or compromising, especially since this thread has several hundred posts, some of which are pretty pointed.
After the Solicitor's letter, the thread withered. As I said at the time, I think the Fat Postman started to sing. No-one followed up the story (if there was one) in the German press. I doubt it even made the Albstadt Gazette.
As to what the 'more serious' charges were, we'll probably never know. There is no information around here to suggest Binder has been jailed, fined or even had his knuckles rapped. All that appears conjecture and wishfull thinking. His eBay registration was however terminated in June 2004.
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@punkpie
Don't worry about that. I for one had contacted Binder/Toth before you posted it on here. I think several others probably did too. It was too good to miss, eh? Well, tha'll live'n'larn as we say in Yorkshire.
Cheers,
JaX
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re: the disappearing posts:
That was due to the servercrash (iirc?) which took a few days (weeks?) of posts with it. Sometime in October wasn't it?
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@odin
Ah so.
JaX
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Well that wasw a good laugh! :-)
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just read the whole thing from the very beginning, sale looked promising....
sad ending indeed.
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so, ppl got scummed and u think it is a good laugh...
you are miserable....
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It's a great lesson. That thread should be made into a pamphlet and handed out to ppl who buy things over the net. As things went day by day. The excitement and trepidation. The drooling over too cheap hardware to resist. It's textbook. Amigans are the type that are easy for this type of scam. The whole community has been scammed over and over for over a decade since the big scammers Mehdi Ali(SPIT!) and Irving Gould(SPIT!) had their laugh. It makes me want to load my shotgun with rock salt.
coldfire
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We all have the Wisdom of Solomon when talking with hindsight.
JaX