Amiga Inc answers your questions (updated)

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It's not really that hard to understand.  Hyperion started work on OS4 (presumably) in 2004.  Something sent up a red flag and Amiga Inc themselves started working on OS5 to run on multiple platforms like they always stated.

Whether or not OS5 shares anything with OS4 or not remains to be seen.  One thing is for certain.  It would have been nice if AmiWest was more than one day because it sounds like may be shaping up nicely if Amiga shows up.

Wayne

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Updated 10:52pm Wednesday, Sept 13th :

Wayne Hunt -- Bill, there is a lot of concern that "OS5" is "just another add-on to Intent".

Bill McEwen : Amiga OS 5 is NOT built on top of Intent and it is not related to Tao. This is 100% Amiga and yes there is a path from OS 4 to OS 5.

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AmigaOS 5 == Multi platform == AROS?

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From what I can gather(my pure speculation), Hyperion (Ben, not the Friedens) had the contract to develop OS4 and were paid in full for it but refuse to turn it over, citing that they are owed even more money than the contract allowed for.

Now, it's all in the hands of the lawyers as to who did what.

In the meantime Amiga Inc took what code they had (and it could have been all of it for all we know) -- hired some programmers and started working in-house on OS5 which was always slated to work on multiple platforms.

Remember folks, the apparent fight between Hyperion (not the Friedens) and Amiga Inc could have literally started two years ago for all we know.  Also, people are really prone to slide a date here and there without meaning any harm.  Kinda like my Dodge truck which is an 05 built in late 04.  

What I'm trying to explain is that "two years" on this may have been "December 31st 2004" which means technically less than what? 19 months? Anyway, it's easier (and human nature) to round up that number to "2 years"

Me?  Personally, I'm a skeptic.  While I understand what Bill's gone through and have sympathy for his losses and respect for his determination, I don't know what to believe, or not to believe until I see OS5 running on something besides antiquated PPC hardware (which is my preference).

Even though I can't afford, nor justify, the flight to Amiwest for a one-day show, I'm SINCERELY hoping that we see and hear more there.

Wayne

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> There is no one in the amiga scene with these
> kinds of money today.

Maybe, just maybe... and I know this will boggle the mind...  Maybe Bill is aiming higher than this tiny hobbyist market which is why he's not interested in talking to a bunch of garage-level companies.

Wayne

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But who in there right mind would invest such money into AmigaOS? There are a bunch of other platforms out there that is more up2date.

That remains to be seen, but it's probably just a matter of marketing, and Bill was a marketeer before this, so...

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> I just have to say that the more I think of it...
> the more straightforward the answers seem to be.

That's what I'm trying to say.  I know the Amiga community acts like a bunch of pedantic vultures any time anyone says anything.  Picking every single word apart and going "what Bill meant to say was...." but McEwen's answers are there and they are straightforward, and they are logical.  

The biggest problem between what was said and what you see now is that it was sent (by necessity) through the lawyers who wouldn't let him say some things as EXACTLY as he had hoped.  

Suffice to say that there are some with agendas, and there are some who will never be happy no matter what Amiga Inc (or anyone else) does, or doesn't do.

Wayne

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> with all due respect. 6 -7 years later whe should
> have SOMETING? Why waist more time?

By all means, stop wasting your time and feel free to move on.  We'll miss you terribly, but that's just the price we will have to pay for being such stupid suckers.

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@Bolten,

It's because you just had to jump out here with an agenda.  Trust me, I understand because I too have been fscked over by a Bill (not McEwen) and yes, I have trouble holding my tongue some times, but your post was inappropriate and -- as usual -- out of place in this thread, not to mention it violated several of the site (and thread) posting guidelines.

Also, you might want to rethink that whole "Attack Wayne" philosophy as well, because while I have a moderate amount of sympathy for your plight, traditionally it doesn't play well with me.

Wayne

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Pierre,

No one was censored.  His post -- though inappropriate -- still exists.  It has simply been removed from public viewing for legal reasons that I won't go into.  

The community asked a question, it was answered.  This is not the place nor time for Mr. Peck to -- yet again -- attack Mr. McEwen on a personal level.   We all know he's pissed because he feels he is owed something, so him speaking out in the fashion he did is no more valid than when I point out that I (and the entire US team) was fscked over by Bill Buck and Genesi.

That being said, if Mr. Peck wishes to contest the assertion by McEwen that he was, in fact, offered a settlement and refused to take it, then that's a different story.  The fact is however that Amiga (Washington state) no longer exists as a corporate or other entity and therefore no longer owes anything to anyone.

If Mr. Peck wishes to contest that, he can easily and rightfully do that in a court of law.  He'll lose, but he can try.  Anything else is just bordering on libel and subject to retaliation by Amiga Inc.

I'm sorry that you're so closed-minded as to consider that "censorship", but I personally don't want to be placed in the middle of a battle between Peck and McEwen.  I've given up expecting my $12 grand from Buck.  It's time he gets over whatever he thinks he's owed by a company that no longer exists.

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Again, I ask you why you are in this thread with such a crappy attitude when you should just ignore it?

> yeah well amiga inc is disolved so I don't think
> you can still commit "libel" or be retaliated by
> "Amiga Inc."

Good thing you're not a lawyer, but for the fact, the personal attack was against Bill McEwen, not specifically Amiga Inc.

Again, Mr. Peck has done nothing to challenge the assertation that he was offered a settlement and declined it.  How I feel or what I'd do is completely irrelevant since no one knows the terms of that offer.

Suffice to say that if I were offered a reasonable settlement from Buck, I probably would have taken it and moved on.   Happy?  No, but I would have had closure and been able to chalk it up to his bad management, and my bad choices.  

Closure is obviously what Bolten is missing and needs from this.

Wayne

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I've asked him for a few answers, yes.  I haven't exactly gotten around to "round 2" yet.

Wayne