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I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« on: January 09, 2008, 11:26:52 PM »
HERE!

Oh man, I just know this is a steal. I'll be able to get it working just fine. Not quite an Amiga killer, but my 128 sure is an Amiga killer  :-P
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 11:34:54 PM »
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adolescent wrote:
Looks a little busticated.


Naah, looks like an easy fix to me. These old computers have electrolytic capacitors that dry up or leak. Open her up, spend a weekend replacing capacitors, re-seat socketed chips and it should be good to go. It "not working" is probably why I got it so cheap. I've already rejuvinated an old Televideo TS803H this way. The picture shows me the monitor works and it is not total DOA. Piece of cake. :-D
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 12:22:18 AM »
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monami wrote:
it looks way before my time... what exactly is it?  


Kaypro 10, a luggable computer. Before there were laptops, there were luggables.
4Mhz 8bit processor
64K RAM
5.25 floppy drive
10MB hard drive
9" green screen (monochrome) monitor, 80x24 text
CP/M operating system

The Kaypro 10 was introduced in 1983, back before Microsoft had any real foothold in the computer market. Back then CP/M was the standard OS for business. It is hotly debated, but truth be told MS-DOS is a ripoff of CP/M which would probably be illegal if it was released under today's laws.

A cool thing is my C128 also runs CP/M, so I can run the same program on my 128 as I do on my Kaypro and my Televideo :-D
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2008, 12:33:24 AM »
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Contiki port?


I don't think a CP/M Contiki port ever happened. However, a buddy of mine has a made a functional tcp/ip for cp/m among other goodies :-)
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 03:40:44 AM »
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a buddy of mine has a made a functional tcp/ip for cp/m among other goodies


Sweet! Thats a good friend to have. Link?


http://tcp.dr.ea.ms/
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2008, 04:59:21 PM »
I was busy yesterday, but back :-)

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Don't you mean 'I can read the same disks on my 128 as I do on my Kaypro and my Televideo'? Or do these machines all use the same CPU? Isn't the 128 a 6502 (variant), meaning it won't run Z80 binaries?


Others have replied correctly. The C128 also has a Z80 CPU for CP/M mode. I can confirm from first hand knowlege that CP/M binaries are compatability across a wide number of machines, the C128 being one of them.

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I remember people touting one of the pluses of MS-DOS was that you could read the same disk on whatever computer was running it, as opposed to CP/M which was meant to be the case, but just wasn't because everyone had their own implementation of CP/M. Microsoft just standardised one variant from the bunch.


When it comes to the floppy disks themselves, it gets a bit tricker, yes. Most CP/M boxes had their own floppy format that other machines usually could not read. The list of various CP/M floppy types is quite long. A Osborne formatted floppy would not work in a Kaypro, for example.

However, this is where the C128 with 1571(and 1581) shines. The 1571 and 1581 are amazing drives. There is a free program called Juggler that allows C128 CP/M to read and write more than 140 CP/M disk formats. I have used this in the past and it works perfectly. Pretty neat taking my old Televideo Wordstar floppy and running that version of Wordstar on my 128 without a hitch :-D
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 05:46:31 PM »
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Can you put up pics of her internals when you start your project, and some after pics?  i love restoring old comps and this one looks like a real fun one.  Good luck


I should be able to, if there is interest. I kind of wished I did that with my Televideo..
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 05:48:18 PM »
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Do you think it will run in my TRS80 4P ?


Most likely, if not AJK would likely give a hand making it work.
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Re: I just bought one sweet, sweet computer!
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 05:51:14 PM »
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what about CP/M in ZX Spectrum +3 128K, would that tcpip run on that? (my first computer, eh the nostalgia..)


More than likely, as long as it has a Z80 cpu. The code may need tweaked for the rs232.
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