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IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« on: March 13, 2003, 12:00:49 AM »
MacGuardians (German) report from CeBit that IBM's PowerPC 970 will debut at up to 1.8GHz as originally expected. (IBM's Microprocessor Forum presentation in October 2002 indicated initial speeds for the PowerPC 970 ranging from 1.4GHz - 1.8GHz.)

The 2.5GHz models described in an IBM press release more recently are reportedly for the subsequent generation of 970's, but will apparently utilize the 0.13 Micron Process, contrary to ZDNet's report.

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/03/20030312094607.shtml

 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2003, 12:03:50 AM »
PPC970 looks interesting now that the top speed will be 2.5ghz and not 1.8... at 2.5ghz it might hold the speed crown for a time.
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2003, 12:05:23 AM »
It'll be ridiculously expensive I would imagine
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2003, 04:32:41 AM »
yeah probably like 800$ per-chip or so... remember what the current top-end G4's cost...and just tack on a little extra.
It'll be good for servers and low/middle end workstations though...looking at it objectively it will probably cost alot and eventually fall clearly behind X86-64... but 64bit PowerPC at 2.2ghz will be something to see. If it holds the speed crown or at least is competative I'll probably buy a Mac ;)
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2003, 06:04:36 AM »
reality check, high end is always pricey:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8223
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2003, 06:31:27 AM »
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yeah probably like 800$ per-chip or so... remember what the current top-end G4's cost...and just tack on a little extra.
It'll be good for servers and low/middle end workstations though...looking at it objectively it will probably cost alot and eventually fall clearly behind X86-64... but 64bit PowerPC at 2.2ghz will be something to see. If it holds the speed crown or at least is competative I'll probably buy a Mac ;)


Does the Itanium (intels 64bit solution) even exceed 2ghz? Besides its not backwards compatible to the slightly more marketable Clawhammer? AMD 64bit.

Another thing, I am pretty sure that the x86 64bit CPUs are almost entirely different architecture and doesn't hold the same blistering Ghz speeds as their 32bit brethren. So it may seem PPC 970 might have the edge. Whether it holds onto it, is another quesion altogether.
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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2003, 07:55:36 AM »
What's interesting to note about the 970 is that it's a cut-down high-clock version of the POWER4 series of CPUs, which has already proven itself in battle over a number of years. Both the 64 bit X86 alternatives have so far failed to reach the market (unless you count 900MHz Itanium 2 chips for $2700 as reaching the market).

However, prediction is never accurate, even more so when it comes to predicting the future ;-)

So for now we must continue to take anything that's presented as "fact" with a grain of salt. If the 970 can indeed hit the market in reasonable clock ranges at a reasonable price it will most probably be something of a success. But how much really depends on how Intel/AMD go from here. Do they continue to produce faster and faster 32 bit chips, or start migrating people over to 64 bit? Impossible to say. But I really expect Intel to reach something of an upper limit in clock frequencies soon.


Edit: I would just like to comment that I'm not saying POWER4 ain't been as expensive as Itanium 1 and 2. I meant to make the point that the 970 is a more marketable version of a battle-proofed chip, whereas Itanium 2 is still only for HIGH END  :-)
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2003, 07:57:48 AM »
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Another thing, I am pretty sure that the x86 64bit CPUs are almost entirely different architecture

Define "entirely different architecture" for K8 vs K7 families.

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and doesn't hold the same blistering Ghz speeds as their 32bit brethren.

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2003, 08:01:57 AM »
Hmm, the "Unverified source" story? :-)
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2003, 08:18:00 AM »
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Both the 64 bit X86 alternatives have so far failed to reach the market

That would be false in regards to AMD's Opteron. Refer to AMD's "beachhead" programs (some sort of “early bird” program).

Define “hitting the market" (i.e. you seems to apply different “hitting the market" definitions on different products).

IBM's PPC970 64bit CPU is not the only one to attend the CeBIT show.

Refer to http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8274
Summary
- Several mass-producing X86 motherboard manufactures will be showing their X86-64 motherboards products i.e. these include Tyan, MSI, Gigabyte and Asus.
- MS's Windows 64bit (beta build) edition will be also on show.
- AMD Athlon 64 laptops.

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(unless you count 900MHz Itanium 2 chips for $2700 as reaching the market).

 Note that IA-64 was based HP's PA-RISC. Secondly, what was the price for Power 4 CPUs again?

Careful with your claims or assertions.


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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2003, 08:29:13 AM »
You didn't read the comment I edited in, did you? I feel I properly answered BOTH of those questions BEFORE you asked them.
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2003, 11:49:51 AM »
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Note that IA-64 was based HP's PA-RISC. Secondly, what was the price for Power 4 CPUs again?


Weren't CBM thinking of making next gen Amiga's using PA-RISC processors?
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2003, 11:58:17 AM »
the itanium is essentially in 'beta' right now... as much as it's bieng marketed it isnt bieng marketed at the 'desktop' its in a higher-class then the desktop.. it's priced out of our hands for a reason... the application and OS support isnt there... I've got a friend with an Itanium and it's not very fast nor does the WinXP for it hold a candle in the stability department to the X86 deskto-class chips.

X86-64 will probably be marketed right at the desktop from the get-go it's a desktop chip... it isnt here yet...and nor will there be X86-Win2K/XP for it initially when it arrives that takes advantage of it bieng 64bit... aswell as no X86-64 apps initially.

I personally think Intel will go X86-64 in the end just because of market pressure.


If the PPC970 comes out...and it kicks ass...and I could get a mac with two of them for 3000$... even if their 1.8's?... I'd go for it...if they where competative... I think they will be

as of right now macintrash's are pathetic in my eyes... their non-competative and they offer lousey benchmarks even compared to single X86 machines..


yes commodore's next generation Amiga was going to use PA-Risc wich is direct relative to Itanium...more like an inbred uncle then a father though.
 

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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2003, 12:09:22 PM »
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However, prediction is never accurate, even more so when it comes to predicting the future


How exactly do you predict the present or the past?! :)
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Re: IBM PPC970 64bit CPU at CeBIT
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2003, 12:12:57 PM »
@mips_proc

What would you do with that stupendous amount of CPU power??

(C&C: Generals is the only SW bit that joe ordinary might need that kind of single-box CPU power for)