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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« on: July 23, 2013, 09:33:54 PM »
If Windows is dying, it's because they hacked it to death trying to turn it into a tablet OS, not because of this "death-of-the-PC" myth nonsense.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 11:36:29 PM »
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8.1 will address many of the complaints that came along with W8.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 01:01:05 AM »
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It wouldn't ever fully die because of a lot of people like MS. I'm not sure if you can count people who just want their computer to 'do things' and don't care what OS it's running.
But that's the thing that's really baffling about Win8. There is no better way to piss off the people who want "it just works" than to change the way things are done for no good reason and demand they get used to it...
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 03:36:59 AM »
Keep repeating your same old mantra, persia. Maybe if you wish hard enough it will come true.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 06:55:01 AM »
Quote from: bbond007;741931
At one point Windows NT did run just like you describe, on multiple architectures... I know, I has a ARC bios Olivetti prototype machine that ran NT 4.0 -  which was actually quite nice.  The machine has a MIPS processor. I had to chuck it when a cheap KVM blew out the PS2 port. before that, it would actually run 16bit x86 Windows programs under emulation but not 32bit.
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I've seen NT4.0 running on SGI and DEC Alpha machines too. :cool:
Indeed - I just got NT 4.0 up and running on an Alpha board the other day (gotta get some more RAM before I can put 2000 on it...) They even supported PowerPC, way back in the mists of time...unfortunately, they ditched everything but x86 with 2000 (save for a leaked RC1 beta that ran on Alpha,) but Windows Server up through 2008 did run on Itanium (I know that must thrill you as much as it does me :rolleyes:) Looks like they finally went x64-only for Server 2012, though - huzzah for homogeneity :/
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 06:56:30 AM »
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Deniers gotta deny.
Your rhetorical prowess is overwhelming.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2013, 10:06:50 AM »
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2. Microsoft should adopt a more flexible business model giving consumers the right to use their software products for free if they agree to accept advertisements - for example during bootup/shutdown or on the desktop. A lot like how Google derives their income.
NO. Computing needs ads like colons need cancer.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2013, 06:38:41 PM »
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I look forward to websites dedicated to PC believers.  Maybe a red (Windows 8) versus blue (Windows 7) camps, both demanding new hardware for their aging OSs as the world moves on largely oblivious to them.
I like how you're no longer even pretending to make an argument, just snidely insisting that This Is How It Will Be because blind faith in the predictions of a bunch of tablet zealots. Don't stop believin', man! Hold on to that feelin'!

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This garbage that the tablet is taking over is  just that, garbage. HP has said they are not going to make ANY desktop  pcs from now on - only tablets. Yet another great business decision from  HP.
Wait, I thought they went back on that? (Because, you know, it was a stupid decision intended to "look decisive" by their CEO-of-the-month?) Or did they change their mind again?

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Just as a side note.  iPad sales have "fallen" 14%  this qtr compared to last year. Is that the death knell of the iPad?  I  think not.  But the news for PC sales is that they've "slumped" 10%.   Note the "language" difference. Enjoy the tech media ride!
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Traditional PC sales *are* declining, but I am  more inclined to think that people simply aren't buying/replacing  machines as often as they used to.  The technology has slowed down.  I  used to build a new gaming PC every XMas.  I now do it every 2-3 years,  as there's simply no logic in spending many thousands of dollars for  what will get me 10% FPS in games between the two difering older/newer  machines.
Exactly. There's no evidence that PCs are being used less, just  bought less (and even that's being played way the hell up.) But  that doesn't fit with the death-of-the-PC narrative tablet zealots want  to create, so it can't be the case!

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The ribbon interface is the epitome of horrific,  terrible, badly thought out design. I wish death upon the person who  thought it up, and their families. There is much hate here.
Amen.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 06:35:19 AM »
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It was the direct link from NT to Digital VMS that came from RSX-11, Which came from PDP-11, and yes you may have guessed it, early versions of Unix TSS and C.  UNICS Timeshare, or UNIX TSS being the source for all Unix variants.
Oy, this again...Wikipedia doesn't mention anything about RSX-11 being based on Unix, nor do I see anything on the subject from a quick web search. Dave Cutler, the project lead on RSX-11M and later architect of VMS and Windows NT, was also known for open disdain towards Unix. And arguing that there must be a basis because both of them ran on PDP-11s is like saying that I'm a derivative of Don Knotts because we're both human beings...
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 07:22:49 AM »
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Your argument on PDP-11 and the OS that drove the origins of RSX-11 is just as valid or invalid as mine for the same non-evidential reasons.
What? You're the one making the claim; the burden of evidence is on you. What basis do you have for claiming that RSX-11 was based on Unix?
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2013, 08:38:28 AM »
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No burden on me John, I'm only dancing. You replied to me with no more evidence than my original preposition. My basis is knowledge. Can you mind meld over forums?
You're the one that made the claim, mister. Where did you acquire this knowledge? Can you provide a link? If not, can you share about your source?
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2013, 05:45:06 PM »
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My sources are real life and books (remember those) and they are varied. The original catalyst for my interest was sparked by discussions back in the mid-late 80s with Digital VAX system engineers who worked onsite.
Okay, so DEC engineers told you that RSX-11 was Unix-derived? Or was it from a book? If so, which book? Maybe my library chain has a copy...
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2013, 02:42:47 AM »
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Android is basically Linux wit a usable GUI.
And a less creaky, archaic userland.

Also: could we ban persia from posting pictures, please?
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2013, 05:35:08 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;742402
Android uses the GNU userland, I use it every day.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to what I read, it doesn't have the full set of GNU libraries - and it certainly doesn't have X or any X desktop environment.
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Re: Did we all just witness Windows start to die?
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2013, 05:58:50 PM »
Hmm, really? And you didn't have to manually install an X server?

Guess someone needs to update that page...
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