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"hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« on: September 02, 2010, 06:24:16 AM »
"hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
 

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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 07:10:48 AM »
Yes, technically it is compatible. But IMHO it's complete nonsense to use such a big drive on an Amiga.

First of all you can only use the first 4 GB of it, so there are 156 GB wasted. There are drivers to use more, but these drivers occupy RAM. And even with these drivers it's not possible to use more than 128 GB, so there are still 32 GB wasted.

RAM also limits the size of partitions. To format an FFS partition you need ca. 150 KB RAM per gigabyte IIRC, otherwise the format program will not work.

IMHO a CF-IDE adapter with a 4GB CF card is a much better solution. Needs less power and is absolutely quiet.

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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 08:20:38 AM »
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"hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?

...try with Kickstart 2.05 (37.300) or KS3.x + OS3.5 or 3.9 + SFS  or PFS3 (if you want to have large partition)!

"Different variations of drives supported pre v37.350
v37.350 the first version to have no size limit
4GB maximum drive supported generally
v37.299 Will not auto-boot any hard-drive
v37.300 will boot drives only of 40Mb or smaller ( questionable)
There have been reports of 37.300 supporting bigger drives"
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http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz33.htm

Becareful with the large size HDD if its power supply is taken on the A600.
As Thomas writes: the better choise is "a CF-IDE adapter with a 4GB CF card"
« Last Edit: September 02, 2010, 08:23:18 AM by VingtTrois »
-A3K(T)040@35MHz/78MB/KS3.1/OS3.9/Buster11/PICASSO II/GVP IO/A2088XT/DENEB/HDD18GB
-A3K(D)030@25MHz/134MB RAM/KS3.1/OS3.9/Buster11/RETINA Z2/OKTAGON 2008/VLAB YC/MIDI/DKB3128/HDD18GB
-A2K/ROM 1.3-3.1/2MBCHIP/8MB/A2091/OKTAGON 2008/A2058/TANDEM IDE/FlickerFixer-Scandoubler/Genlock
-A1200/KS3.1/2MB+9MB/CF2GB A1200[/
 

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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 08:58:58 AM »
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Yes, technically it is compatible. But IMHO it's complete nonsense to use such a big drive on an Amiga.


Thomas, curious as to why you think "it's nonsense to have such a big drive on an Amiga". I have two 500GB drives on my main Amiga Set up and only have about 120GB of free space left, so I will soon have to add more. It all depends on what you use them for and store on them, for some folk like myself 160GB wouldn't be anywhere near sufficient. :)
 

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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 10:23:52 AM »
Actually I meant an unexpanded Amiga. But even if I take it literally, it's still true. I'd guess that 90% of your 880GB of data is not Amiga-only. Downloaded files, recorded videos, photos, mp3s, paintings, other creative data, all that usually needs to be accessed by several people on several computers. So it's a better idea to store those things on a network drive rather than locally on one computer. And using an Amiga as a network drive is only frustrating rather then useful IMHO because of its limited speed, network-wise, HDD-wise and CPU-wise.

I am using a PC with WinXP and 4 x 640GB configured as RAID 5 as a network drive. It's got gigabit ethernet. Accessing it from another PC is like accessing a local drive, no noticable speed difference. And accessing it from an Amiga is still fast enough to do software development with source and object files stored on the network.

WinXP is the right choice for a network server because it's the only OS which can be accessed by both, modern Vista-oid systems and ancient SMB implementations like used for AmigaOS.

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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2010, 10:31:07 AM »
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Actually I meant an unexpanded Amiga. But even if I take it literally, it's still true. I'd guess that 90% of your 880GB of data is not Amiga-only. Downloaded files, recorded videos, photos, mp3s, paintings, other creative data, all that usually needs to be accessed by several people on several computers. So it's a better idea to store those things on a network drive rather than locally on one computer. And using an Amiga as a network drive is only frustrating rather then useful IMHO because of its limited speed, network-wise, HDD-wise and CPU-wise.

I am using a PC with WinXP and 4 x 640GB configured as RAID 5 as a network drive. It's got gigabit ethernet. Accessing it from another PC is like accessing a local drive, no noticable speed difference. And accessing it from an Amiga is still fast enough to do software development with source and object files stored on the network.

WinXP is the right choice for a network server because it's the only OS which can be accessed by both, modern Vista-oid systems and ancient SMB implementations like used for AmigaOS.


@Thomas, yes your 100% correct with regard to what I use my HDs for. The bulk of the space is mainly taken up with backup copies (ISO Images) of my DVD movies collection and music as well of course as 20 odd years of collecting amiga stuff, don't know about networks though, I have never used my Amigas in a network, I only use the amiga for my own personal use. :)
 

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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2010, 12:29:55 PM »
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WinXP is the right choice for a network server because it's the only OS which can be accessed by both, modern Vista-oid systems and ancient SMB implementations like used for AmigaOS.
Hmm. I've had no problem accessing latest linux samba share by using smbfs.

That being said, I haven't used vista/7 to connect to my NAS, but I have hard time believing there would be be any problems.
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Re: "hdd Ide 160 Gb Samsung 5400 Rpm - Pata" is compatible with A600?
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2010, 12:58:39 PM »
I can confirm that I connect to my buffalo linkstation NAS with win XP pro, Vista ultimate 64bit, Vista 32bit, Windows 7 64bit Pro, MorphOS, Mac OSX Tiger,Ubuntu 8.04,9.04 and 10.4 LTS
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