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11 oscars = overrated
« on: March 01, 2004, 11:25:30 AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/entertainment/film/3429373.stm

Ben Hur and Titanic also got 11 oscars.  Oooookay :-)
 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2004, 01:10:46 PM »
And for anyone who thinks Titanic deserves 11 oscars has BAD[/i][/u] taste! :-)

(yes I pulled out all the formatting stops for the emphasis it deserves :-D)
 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2004, 08:16:26 PM »
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For example, as Mikeymike has said Titanic is a good film, but not brilliant, anyone with a modicom of film experience will realise that it does not compare to the classics (a la Ben Hur).


Hold on a second!  I have never said Titanic is a good film.  It is cack of the highest order!

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I think it would be a far better to give films awards for their staying power.  If people are still raving about a film say ten years after its release, it's worth giving an award to.  It annoys the hell out of me, when there are the "top 100 of all time" for something like music, where they have a track by Robbie Williams in the top ten, and right next to it another track that is still considered brilliant thirty years after its release.

Personally I doubt the LotR trilogy will exhibit the sort of staying power I'm talking about.  IMO it lacks real substance, and is basically a Hollywood, watered-down, cliched re-hashing of a quite decent plot from a book that will still be talked about for at least the next 50 years.  The book may not be considered the best sample of literature but it has a decent plot and ideas.
 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2004, 12:48:19 AM »
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Peter Jackson took very few liberties with the story

Erm, perhaps you ought to read the book (again)?

Yes, only a certain amount of time can be used before the film becomes too long, but in places ol' PJ decided that the original plot wasn't good enough, and suddenly Aragorn goes from being a man who has walked the world, taken part in some of the major battles, and approximately 80 years old (and still looking "middle-aged", out of 250 odd years before he died), to being a wayward 20 year old who won't accept his responsibility/destiny.  I don't know about you, but I've heard the latter plot idea before!

I have had a conversation with my brother a number of times about the LotR films.  We're both major fans of the books, and I think the number of times I've read LotR is around the count of 20.  One of us will start the conversation, talking about something or rather in the films, where my brother will say "oh, it wasn't that bad...", conversation goes on a bit... "oh, except that... oh and that, jesus christ!  and what about the exorcism Gandalf is apparently performing on Theoden... do these guys have no idea what subtlety is?", and then we have torn the films to pieces on points, not nitpicking, but where perfectly good plot that could have stayed in is removed for dodgy cliche plot.  In the books, the idea of Wormtongue being sent to talk Theoden into thinking that he's growing old to the point of losing his grip so that Saruman can do what he likes is a good one.  The books go on about how Saruman and Wormtongue were extremely good at what they did with great subtlety.  In the films we have an actor is is bound to be a bad guy to anyone who has seen a single film out of the nearly 200 where Christopher Lee has played a bad guy, and he does it in virtually exactly the same way he always does!  There's no explanation why Saruman decided to turn to evil in the films, it's just "because it's Christopher Lee! you know, that bad guy!".  And don't forget the line that nearly made me retch in the cinema "you have my sword! my bow! my axe!", Jesus Christ.  Who wrote that garbage.  Lines from the book are then thrown in randomly like they were quoting some book at random, then they get back to their totally unsubtle and uncreative plot, complete with over-acting and random plot "twists" that end up not being plot twists and just to "spice up the action a bit".

And to people that wonder whether it "could be done", converting LotR properly to the screen, I recommend watching the unfinished animated version, the Bakshi version IIRC it is referred to.  That also cuts huge swathes out of the books, but it still lends respect by not screwing with what it leaves in!  It has its faults, but it is a far more satisfying watch than the films are.

 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2004, 09:46:26 AM »
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Glaucus wrote:
It's a sad day on Amiga.org when we see moderators trolling!  ;-) How did I know Mikeymike was gonna have something to say about Peter Jackson's coup at the Oscar's? :-D


/me looks all innocent

moi? :-? :-)

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Yeah, well, let's not forget that there's plenty of people who think that the books are crap


See my comment earlier about people who like Titanic ;-)

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I just hope the academy doesn't decide to reward Lucas in such a way for his Star Wars crap! Ugh!!!

AFAIK the Star Wars series haven't been given any oscars.  Considering their staying power, I think that's a mistake.  I can't think of anything they particularly excel at technically, so maybe one or two of them should have been given best film once.

 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2004, 05:21:49 PM »
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AFAIK the Star Wars series haven't been given any oscars. Considering their staying power, I think that's a mistake. I can't think of anything they particularly excel at technically, so maybe one or two of them should have been given best film once.
I'd give them awards for special effects, but that's about it. The acting is nothing special, the story is fairly simple and linear, the directing style is boring and the screen writing is terrible. If anything should have won any awards it should have been the first one (episode 4), or perhaps the Empire Strikes Back.

I wouldn't say the screen writing is terrible, and I've seen worse (but not worse as in 'terrible') directing that is still classed as 'ok'.  They had to have got something right in order to be as popular now as the day they were released.
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Episode 1 & 2 were crap! If you gave Lucas awards for them, you might as well give Star Trek movies best picture as well.

Agreed.
 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2004, 10:19:48 AM »
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Yeah, to truly judge the series you have to see the extended versions. The theatrical releases were just there for the masses, the extended versions are for the die-hard fans.


You mean you have to pay the film company twice to three times the normal amount you'd pay to go see a film.

*cough* RIPOFF *cough*
 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2004, 02:33:12 PM »
Oh joy.  PJ is doing "The Hobbit" now.

The pun was initially unintended, but I see it's quite apt :-)

 

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Re: 11 oscars = overrated
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2004, 03:58:16 PM »
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I thought he was going to do a King Kong remake first :-?.


Yup.