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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: orb85750 on August 23, 2012, 11:02:50 PM
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Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami? (Hopefully not vaporware.)
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No and No
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Looks like Natami is on life-support, don't hold your breath.
No news on the netbook, maybe Hyperion will release some info in October at the show. The funny thing is that everyone is more interested in tablets now ;)
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No news on the netbook, maybe Hyperion will release some info in October at the show. The funny thing is that everyone is more interested in tablets now ;)
Speak for yourself. I have no interest in an oversized smart phone. :D
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Speak for yourself. I have no interest in an oversized smart phone. :D
+1 to this. Finished hardware projects are rare enough in this community, the last thing we'd need is for perfectly good time and effort to go into something so useless.
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Tablet Sales Overtook Netbook Sales in Q2 2011 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/242635/tablet_sales_overtook_netbook_sales_in_q2_2011.html)
Imagine what the Netbook market will be like in 2013/2014.
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Tablet Sales Overtook Netbook Sales in Q2 2011 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/242635/tablet_sales_overtook_netbook_sales_in_q2_2011.html)
Imagine what the Netbook market will be like in 2013/2014.
It will be declining due to the introduction of the Direct Brain Implant PC. ;)
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Tablet Sales Overtook Netbook Sales in Q2 2011 (http://www.pcworld.com/article/242635/tablet_sales_overtook_netbook_sales_in_q2_2011.html)
Imagine what the Netbook market will be like in 2013/2014.
Good question. I suppose it depends on when people will wake up and realize that netbooks and laptops come with keyboards built in and use real, full-fledged operating systems you can install anything you like on.
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Anyone know why Natami is not progressing? It seemed to be coming along so well for a while -- hoping it was the next generation Amiga.
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Tablets are primarily consumption devices, the user can consume various forms of information and entertainment. On screen keyboards are fine for basic uses, but not for longer periods of work. Luckily Bluetooth keyboards exist for most tablets.
However a netbook (especially a decent AMD based one) is actually far more useful if you are going to be doing anything more involved that consuming data and giving trivial input.
Both can co-exist in a household.
I think it's been around a decade since someone first suggested ARM as a possible AmigaOS target. A port back then could have led to AmigaOS being a major player in the tablet space by now. Too late now.
As for Natami, the team had a meltdown and they all went off to do their own thing. The NatAmi head person, Thomas, decided he wanted to do ALL of the work by himself for some personal achievement reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's pretty much dead, at least for the foreseeable future. FPGAArcade is the best bet right now.
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Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami? (Hopefully not vaporware.)
When? Well, I think it will probably will be released somewhere in between "some day in a distant future if hell freezes over and pigs starts to fly during a total sun eclipse" and "never ever"...
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Tablet-sales-to-hit-100-million-units-in-2012 (http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/28490-tablet-sales-to-hit-100-million-units-in-2012)
That's almost 30% of the entire PC market.
I think it's been around a decade since someone first suggested ARM as a possible AmigaOS target. A port back then could have led to AmigaOS being a major player in the tablet space by now. Too late now.
Hardly. If it'd been completely rewritten and given away for free then someone might have used it on a cheap device, but probably not for very long. The market is pretty much iOS or Android.
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+1 to this. Finished hardware projects are rare enough in this community, the last thing we'd need is for perfectly good time and effort to go into something so useless.
Minds like you is what ruined commodore, a tablet will be sold in more units than any computer even if it is driven by a exoticOS (= AmigaOS)
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee, if there even is a netbook market in 2015 it'll be lumped in the "other" category as statistically irrelevant.
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Well "NetBooks" and "UltraBooks" will more or less merge with tablet+kbd replacing the lower end.
The reall issue with the LimeBook (aka OS4book) is that it allready was a bottomdweller when it was introduced years ago.
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee, if there even is a netbook market in 2015 it'll be lumped in the "other" category as statistically irrelevant.
Funny how some people can't understand why people like me have absolutely no need for a tablet. How many tablet users only have a tablet? Very few, I bet.
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Speak for yourself. I have no interest in an oversized smart phone. :D
You know - i was kind of like you for a while before owning a Smartphone i couldnt see the point of a tablet. But having got used to a smartphone. I recently aquired one of the firesale HP Touchpad's (Mine runs WebOS & Android (cyanogen)). I can safely say it is a handy thing to keep in the living room or to take on holiday. (Great for watching movies on a plane etc). Particularly if you are going on a budget (or so they would have you believe) airline. If you are only taking hand luggage it saves the weight and space of a Laptop. All i am saying is dont dismiss tablets completely they do have benefits over both a laptop and a smartphone.
All that said - i for one would pre-order one of these amiga netbooks provided the price is sane and the specs are good enough. For me this is the most sensible
amiga move i've come across for a while. Im sure its not going to take over the world but cost is the one thing thats keeping next gen amiga's from being in the hands of fans.
I believe that the OS is slowly becoming less relevant with the trend of moving everything into the cloud. A system just needs a good browser with up to date support for all the various standards. I've not used an next gen amiga but i assume the latest browsers on OS4 are on the ball - with the exception of Flash which thankfully is dying. I think this situation was evident to my when using the HP Touchpad's WebOS - while its App store is pretty barren - in WebOS the browser is good enough to run most of the apps in the cloud - so app support for the most part is not a real issue. Its only when it comes to games that you
find the issues. Now an AmigaOS based netbook or even a tablet wont have this problem - it already has a nice back catalogue of games which - lets face it - are the same types of games we are seeing re-hashed on the Smartphones with updated graphics.
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Speak for yourself. I have no interest in an oversized smart phone. :D
+1
I would like a TABLET with AMIGA X1000 technologies inside! Is it possible? :biglaugh:
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@Darrin
I somehow doubt you would be lukier if you only had a 10" (or smaller) netbook ?
Smartbook (like the MacBookAir) on the other side provide just enough power&useabilty to serve as ones only computer.
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@ Polyp2000
I agree they can be useful in certain circumstances (I do a lot of travelling too). I just can't see myself buying one just for the 2 hours a month when it might be useful. :)
I'm happy to unpack my laptop if necessary and it runs for 5-6 hours without charging. Any minor stuff like reading emails or surfing the web can be done on my cellphone.
I think my main worry about a tablet is breaking it or losing it. A laptop is too big to lose and a cellphone fits in the pocket. Tablets come inbetween.
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Natami lives and is being developed. I am one of the system testers. However the homepage and a lot of the promises about the system is the work of Gunnar von Boehn, who left the project several months ago. That is why the public activity on the Natami page and forum is low. Surprisingly few people wants to know actual facts about the system in its current state, they want to hear promises and propaganda. And with the guy willing to make propaganda gone - well, you get it ;)
The Natami is most likely to resurface under another project name, with goals more in line with what the main developer Thomas Hirsch wants to do with the system. We will see if there will be further public updates or not until completion.
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@ Polyp2000
I agree they can be useful in certain circumstances (I do a lot of travelling too). I just can't see myself buying one just for the 2 hours a month when it might be useful. :)
I'm happy to unpack my laptop if necessary and it runs for 5-6 hours without charging. Any minor stuff like reading emails or surfing the web can be done on my cellphone.
I think my main worry about a tablet is breaking it or losing it. A laptop is too big to lose and a cellphone fits in the pocket. Tablets come inbetween.
@darrin - yup .. thats why i didnt spend the earth on a premium one!
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I've spent £130 on a 64GB Blackberry Playbook. Partially because it's QNX based, mostly because it's a ridiculously cheap price for a well built high quality bit of hardware that sadly didn't do that well. I can stick it in my bag, it's under a pound in weight (netbooks being around 3lb), and it will do most if not all of the portable things I want a device to do.
But, I have my netbook and my main laptop, and my main PC, and my home server, for all the other things.
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Both can co-exist in a household.
Strictly speaking this is true; however, neither can exist in the first place if the focus keeps jumping back and forth between one or the other while neither of them have even been made.
A port back then could have led to AmigaOS being a major player in the tablet space by now. Too late now.
Not a chance. The tablet market has been about proprietary, vendor-controlled software for years now, and certainly since the iPad made them trendy and people actually started buying them. A non-proprietary OS, on which people can install any software they like right out of the box, would be anathema.
Minds like you is what ruined commodore, a tablet will be sold in more units than any computer even if it is driven by a exoticOS (= AmigaOS)
Wow, li'l old me, a corporation-slayer? Why, I never knew I had it in me! I was just pointing out that spastically jumping between projects as the trend-winds change is going to result in no units being sold, but if we want to go there: why do you think that an "Amiga" tablet is going to sell more than an "Amiga" computer? Certainly not because the target market for tablets (teenagers and twenty-somethings with too much money, middle-aged people who are scared by real computers) have any idea what the Amiga is or feel any loyalty to it. Not because of technical superiority either, because any desktop OS is going to be ass on a tablet. Or do you think the existing Amiga community is going to run out and buy a hundred thousand tablets each?
I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee, if there even is a netbook market in 2015 it'll be lumped in the "other" category as statistically irrelevant.
"It's the future! It's totally the future because Steve Jobs said it was the future, so there, nyeah! You can't disagree with him because he's richer than you, and now that he's dead the Pope's probably gonna canonize him!"
Tablet = laptop - keyboard - useful OS - freedom of choice in software - hard drive. Yeah, that's innovation.
I believe that the OS is slowly becoming less relevant with the trend of moving everything into the cloud. A system just needs a good browser with up to date support for all the various standards.
Ahh, "the cloud," that magical invention of magic wherein your data ascends to a higher plane of existence, free from the toil and suffering of this physical world, to a Gnostic sort of heaven where it is freed from the corruption of the flesh forever and exists in a transcendent state of Pure Mind. Come one, come all, to the Temple of the Cloud, to speak with your data through the Spirit Links!
What's that? You say that it's not absolved of its physical nature? That it has been spirited away to a data center in Texas? But, but, that's a real place! Things can happen to it there! Why, if the Internet weren't faster than a hard drive, there wouldn't be any advantage at all to "the cloud!"
...what? It's not?
...Oh.
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That is why the public activity on the Natami page and forum is low. Surprisingly few people wants to know actual facts about the system in its current state, they want to hear promises and propaganda. And with the guy willing to make propaganda gone - well, you get it
I want to hear fact about the system. Hell, I'll volunteer: somebody keep me updated, and I'll update the site myself.
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Natami lives and is being developed. I am one of the system testers. However the homepage and a lot of the promises about the system is the work of Gunnar von Boehn, who left the project several months ago. That is why the public activity on the Natami page and forum is low. Surprisingly few people wants to know actual facts about the system in its current state, they want to hear promises and propaganda. And with the guy willing to make propaganda gone - well, you get it ;)
The Natami is most likely to resurface under another project name, with goals more in line with what the main developer Thomas Hirsch wants to do with the system. We will see if there will be further public updates or not until completion.
Nice for you if you are one of the "system testers". I cannot remember your "nick" in the Natami-Forum but that is not important. From my side Thomas can publish what he wants under the name he wants, I do not care. But stop this kind of "propaganda" with the bad guy(s) on one side and the white knight (Thomas Hirsch) on the other side because it nerves...
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Ahh, "the cloud," that magical invention of magic wherein your data ascends to a higher plane of existence, free from the toil and suffering of this physical world, to a Gnostic sort of heaven where it is freed from the corruption of the flesh forever and exists in a transcendent state of Pure Mind. Come one, come all, to the Temple of the Cloud, to speak with your data through the Spirit Links!
You are an excellent writer.
Thank you for mocking the Tablet Lemmings and Cloud Lemmings for me so that I don't have to. :)
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@commodorejohn
What makes you a better predictor of the future than current sales figures? You are here on a board asking about a 20 year old computer that has around 5,000 users scattered across 4 camps, how do your tastes in anyway reflect the tastes of the general population?
It easy to fantasise the tablet away, I was in an Amiga user group meeting on the day Windows 95 premiered, when the presenter spent half his talk fantasising Windows 95 away. That worked well.
Early PC users looked down their noses at this childish rodent thing called a "mouse." Who in the world would ever use one of those?
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What makes you a better predictor of the future than current sales figures?
Simple: I look beyond current sales figures, not relying on the assumption that things will continue forever as they have for the last two years (in which case tablet sales would outpace global population growth by something like 25x,) and consider the ultimate long-term usefulness of the thing: it is no more capable than a laptop (typically less,) not very much cheaper, and typically a worse deal in terms of power-for-money. Its sole advantage is that it's lighter, which laptops are continually working towards anyway. Eventually they will reach a saturation point of "light enough," and tablets will have no more advantages left, Q.E.D.
Anything can sell well for a short time. As I've written, (http://amiga.org/forums/blog.php?b=361) the Abdomenizer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lopLN3kUGQ4) was able to sell 3.5 million units, and that was just a plastic saddle you were supposed to do sit-ups on with an imbecilic infomercial. A professional force with an enormous budget like the Apple marketing department could sell used Kleenex in iPad quantities for two years, and have the rest of the industry scrambling to get their own used Kleenex to market. The question is what's going to happen when the novelty wears off, tablets are no longer "cool," and people start assessing them based on their actual usefulness and not just their specs compared with other tablets.
Early PC users looked down their noses at this childish rodent thing called a "mouse." Who in the world would ever use one of those?
Yes, tablet evangelists do like to say this a lot. But the mouse actually solved a problem in computer input better than the other solutions, which is why it's stuck around as long as it has. The tablet solves nothing and introduces a host of disadvantages compared to the laptop. I think history will judge one a lot more kindly than the other.
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The question is what's going to happen when the novelty wears off, tablets are no longer "cool," and people start assessing them based on their actual usefulness and not just their specs compared with other tablets
Tablets are taking off as media consumption devices. If there's anything that the TV has taught us, it is that people love consuming media. Tablets are great at this. I see no reason for them to lose popularity.
However like TVs the upgrade cycle could be quite long, because there won't be a real need for the upgraded tablets coming out, much like if you aren't itching to buy the latest SmartTV because your current one is perfectly adequate. All tablets can do is get better displays, get lighter/thinner, and get faster.
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Tablet = laptop - keyboard - useful OS - freedom of choice in software - hard drive. Yeah, that's innovation.
Usually I can see where you're coming from, but during this line in particular you must have been drunk or half asleep.
Right, no keyboard, kind of a pain sometimes, but as for freedom of choice in software, have you seen the Android market (and to a lesser extent in terms of freedom, the iOS AppStore?) Think Ubuntu Software Center, tons of apps you can install with one or two clicks. Even without the tons of stuff available there, there's additional software you can throw onto these devices.
Useful OS? Linux not good enough for you? All the OS needs to do is run the desired apps, but if you really want to make it more like a "real" computer, you can always drop to a shell.
No hard drive? Sure, no spinning platter, but who the hell wants one of those anymore, especially on a portable device? Solid state storage works just fine, and throws across the room happily. Obviously if you need terabytes of stuff in your hand at any given time you'll need something more, but as mentioned previously tablets aren't PC replacements and are geared more towards accessing content stored elsewhere.
Tablets <> PCs, right, and most of what you can do on a tablet can be done on a smartphone, sure, but if you can get past the lack of keyboard you really can get stuff done with a tablet without straining yourself.
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@commodorejohn
Tablet = laptop - keyboard - useful OS - freedom of choice in software - hard drive. Yeah, that's innovation.
Actually, it is. It's 95% of what people want to do in a simplified, easier to use, more reliable, and less expensive package. That's innovation. Bigger is not always better.
Ahh, "the cloud," that magical invention of magic wherein your data ascends to a higher plane of existence, free from the toil and suffering of this physical world, to a Gnostic sort of heaven where it is freed from the corruption of the flesh forever and exists in a transcendent state of Pure Mind. Come one, come all, to the Temple of the Cloud, to speak with your data through the Spirit Links!
What's that? You say that it's not absolved of its physical nature? That it has been spirited away to a data center in Texas? But, but, that's a real place! Things can happen to it there! Why, if the Internet weren't faster than a hard drive, there wouldn't be any advantage at all to "the cloud!"
Actually, data hosted in a true cloud is not at any single data center - the data exists in many so that no single data center failure would cause a disruption.
"The Cloud" may just be a buzzword, but the reality of what it is and its advantages cannot be ignored. Taking a photo on your phone, then going home and picking up your tablet and having it be there - that's cool, and that's made possible by "The Cloud".
"The Cloud" has made it easy for everyday people to have instant access to their email, contacts, calendar, etc. - from multiple devices, all in sync. Update your calendar on your phone and come home and your PC will have the appointment as well - all without syncing via cable.
"The Cloud" has allowed people to backup their important data to an off-site location with ease. People who probably never would have backed their data up before because they can't be bothered with manually backing up their data, swapping hard drives, taking a copy off-site, etc.
Are their downsides? Sure. Hey - I'm old school too. I like to know where my data is, I like having my backup in my hands so I know it's safe. But the reality is "The Cloud" has brought us so many capabilities that make technology so much more useful it's not even funny.
Simple: I look beyond current sales figures, not relying on the assumption that things will continue forever as they have for the last two years (in which case tablet sales would outpace global population growth by something like 25x,) and consider the ultimate long-term usefulness of the thing: it is no more capable than a laptop (typically less,) not very much cheaper, and typically a worse deal in terms of power-for-money. Its sole advantage is that it's lighter, which laptops are continually working towards anyway. Eventually they will reach a saturation point of "light enough," and tablets will have no more advantages left, Q.E.D.
It may not be more capable than a laptop, but it's a heck of a lot more convenient. My notebook sits on a shelf 99% of the time since I purchased my iPad. The reality is that most things I want to do on my notebook I can do so much more effortlessly on my tablet. I can browse the web in bed, or while eating lunch, or while taking a crap if I'd like. ;) They're instant on - so easy to pick up, tap my email icon, and read my email than grabbing my notebook, waiting for it to come out of sleep mode, opening Outlook, waiting for it to sync, etc.
The lack of a keyboard sometimes stinks, but to be honest if I need to do some real work I go to my office where I have a nice keyboard, nice mouse, and dual screens. We'll have to wait and see how Microsoft's tablet with cover/keyboard works out, but personally I don't like typing on my notebook keyboard much more than typing on my tablet's on-screen keyboard.
For me, and for many people, notebooks are getting squished between tablets/smartphones and desktop PCs. I don't see the desktop PC going anywhere anytime soon, though people are keeping them longer and the new customer growth potential is not there so new sales growth will suffer. People are buying tablets for their kids instead of PCs, and the family shares a PC. I do see the notebook market shrinking as tablets advance.
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+1
I would like a TABLET with AMIGA X1000 technologies inside! Is it possible? :biglaugh:
Why not? PWRficient and Xmos are low power chips, xmos is used in a few expansions gadgets for the iphone. So you say it as a joke but technically is not impossible, economically? unless you are Microsoft or Apple the only 2 companies captable of spend millions for create a need for a solution that have not a problem then no
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Why not? PWRficient and Xmos are low power chips, xmos is used in a few expansions gadgets for the iphone. So you say it as a joke but technically is not impossible,
It was very low power in it's day but tablets are something else altogether. They require much lower power and PWRficient is well above that level.
It could probably be done but you'd have to reduce the frequency by a hefty margin and cut the memory speed right down. You'd probably still need a big battery and a fan though.
The processors on the Sam boards are much more suitable for tablets.
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Simplicity is the reason tablets sell well, no mouse, no keyboard, no fancy gui, just you and your fingers and an app.
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It was very low power in it's day but tablets are something else altogether. They require much lower power and PWRficient is well above that level.
It could probably be done but you'd have to reduce the frequency by a hefty margin and cut the memory speed right down. You'd probably still need a big battery and a fan though.
The processors on the Sam boards are much more suitable for tablets.
Of course for tablet usage you have to reduce the frequency but at 1 or 1,2 GHZ surely is enough faster to compete to ARM and equal in power consumption, after all the Apple ARM chips have Pa Semi technology in it
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Simplicity is the reason tablets sell well, no mouse, no keyboard, no fancy gui, just you and your fingers and an app.
My tablet came with a keyboard.
I have replaced my laptop with the tablet . I can even plug in a Hardrive or a wireless mouse and micro +normal sd cards.
It works great on web. Makes no noise, no heat and can do all my office work i do offshore "raports" etc.
Has a quadcore cpu that seem to handle all lesser tasks ok.
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So how about that OS4 Netbook or that mythical FPGA super Amiga I've heard so much about?
As far as I'm concerned, anything running OS4 is an expensive novelty that I just can't justify purchasing, but an FPGA successor to the classic Amiga is an expensive novelty which I will find a way to justify purchasing.
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Usually I can see where you're coming from, but during this line in particular you must have been drunk or half asleep.
Nah, I drink in the evening, and I'd had my morning coffee by that point.
Right, no keyboard, kind of a pain sometimes, but as for freedom of choice in software, have you seen the Android market (and to a lesser extent in terms of freedom, the iOS AppStore?)
Android is better on this point, yes; centralized software distribution still makes me leery. In any case, the iOS App Store is exactly what I was talking about.
No hard drive? Sure, no spinning platter, but who the hell wants one of those anymore, especially on a portable device? Solid state storage works just fine, and throws across the room happily.
SSDs work just fine, yes - except that they're many times more expensive per megabyte. People brag about 64GB tablets - ooh, wow, that's over half of what my low-end laptop I purchased three and a half years ago came with!
And if you're worrying about it surviving being thrown across the room, drive technology is not your chief problem.
Obviously if you need terabytes of stuff in your hand at any given time you'll need something more, but as mentioned previously tablets aren't PC replacements and are geared more towards accessing content stored elsewhere.
See, this is what irks me about this debate: tablet evangelists keep moving the goalposts. "They're going to replace desktops," "hey, you can't compare them to desktops, they're not meant to replace them!" "They're going to replace netbooks," etc. etc. etc.
Actually, it is. It's 95% of what people want to do in a simplified, easier to use, more reliable, and less expensive package. That's innovation. Bigger is not always better.
"It's 95% of what people want to do" because that's what Apple told people they wanted. Nobody was clamoring for a device that did less for more money per GB/GHz. Bigger is not always better, but a device doesn't have to be big to be full-featured.
Actually, data hosted in a true cloud is not at any single data center - the data exists in many so that no single data center failure would cause a disruption.
Right, of course. That privilege is reserved for man-made disasters. (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/all/)
"The Cloud" may just be a buzzword, but the reality of what it is and its advantages cannot be ignored. Taking a photo on your phone, then going home and picking up your tablet and having it be there - that's cool, and that's made possible by "The Cloud".
"The Cloud" has made it easy for everyday people to have instant access to their email, contacts, calendar, etc. - from multiple devices, all in sync. Update your calendar on your phone and come home and your PC will have the appointment as well - all without syncing via cable.
Yes, The Cloud frees mankind from the tyranny of Cables. And, you know, leaves you stuck depending on wifi and/or cell reception, which as we all know is omnipresent, cheaper and faster than cables, and completely reliable. BEHOLD THE FUTURE.
"The Cloud" has allowed people to backup their important data to an off-site location with ease. People who probably never would have backed their data up before because they can't be bothered with manually backing up their data, swapping hard drives, taking a copy off-site, etc.
Yes, it's now easy to back up your data - because copying files to another drive was totally arcane and unfathomable, and commercial backup software totally didn't exist. Now you can back up your data over a slower connection to a service that can freely mine your data as it sees fit and probably stipulates that in its license so you can't complain about it, and is open to the Internet so a mildly clever hacker can get to it! That's progress!
It may not be more capable than a laptop, but it's a heck of a lot more convenient. My notebook sits on a shelf 99% of the time since I purchased my iPad. The reality is that most things I want to do on my notebook I can do so much more effortlessly on my tablet.
Well, that's lovely for you then.
I can browse the web in bed, or while eating lunch, or while taking a crap if I'd like.
As can I, with my laptop - and I can type a response, on a real keyboard, without needing a third-party peripheral. Also I can run software from absolutely any source without needing to hack the OS to install it.
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SSDs work just fine, yes - except that they're many times more expensive per megabyte. People brag about 64GB tablets - ooh, wow, that's over half of what my low-end laptop I purchased three and a half years ago came with!
Reality is most people don't need the kind of storage larger HDDs are touting today. Some do, yes, but I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people have less than 100GB of data on their home PCs and less than 50GB on their office PCs. 128GB SSDs are well under $100 now, and dropping like a rock.
And if you're worrying about it surviving being thrown across the room, drive technology is not your chief problem.
I've dropped my smartphone and tablet countless times, and with a decent case your screen is protected - I've never broken mine. Now, if it wasn't solid state it would be a different story.
"It's 95% of what people want to do" because that's what Apple told people they wanted. Nobody was clamoring for a device that did less for more money per GB/GHz. Bigger is not always better, but a device doesn't have to be big to be full-featured.
Uhh, no. 95% of what most people want to do is web browsing, email, calendar, contacts, games. All covered by a tablet or smartphone.
Yes, The Cloud frees mankind from the tyranny of Cables. And, you know, leaves you stuck depending on wifi and/or cell reception, which as we all know is omnipresent, cheaper and faster than cables, and completely reliable. BEHOLD THE FUTURE.
It's more than just cables, though that is a major reason. Do you know how many people I deal with that haven't synced their smartphones in months, then lose them? All data lost. With a cloud sync that isn't an issue. I want my calendar synced instantly so my co-workers can see my schedule - I don't want to have to wait until I get back to the office and manually sync via cable. Plus many more reasons.
Yes, it's now easy to back up your data - because copying files to another drive was totally arcane and unfathomable, and commercial backup software totally didn't exist. Now you can back up your data over a slower connection to a service that can freely mine your data as it sees fit and probably stipulates that in its license so you can't complain about it, and is open to the Internet so a mildly clever hacker can get to it! That's progress!
Actually, yeah it is. Yes, for some people copying data between drives, rotating the drives, and keeping one somewhere off-site is a big deal. Connection speed for most is not a big deal because once the initial backup is done only changed data is sent across the wire. I hear of people losing external hard drives, flash drives and smartphones all the time. I can't say I've ever heard of a decent online backup service getting hacked (like Mozy). And no, keep your tin foil in the drawer - they won't mine your data.
As can I, with my laptop - and I can type a response, on a real keyboard, without needing a third-party peripheral.
I could take my desktop to bed too, but that wouldn't be very practical. I could also carry around my notebook all day but the reality is a tablet is far more convenient.
Honestly it seems like you've simply reached that age where you "don't need any of that new fangled technology". Hope that never happens to me.
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee, if there even is a netbook market in 2015 it'll be lumped in the "other" category as statistically irrelevant.
Tablet PCs from Fujitsu are great, these 8" tablets are useless for the most part. Maybe every prick who buys a Toyota Corolla buys one for every member of his family but high sales clearly have nothing to do with the worth of a product ;)
100 million morons/7.5 billion people on earth means FA to me.
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee, if there even is a netbook market in 2015 it'll be lumped in the "other" category as statistically irrelevant.
Thumbs up!
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I don't understand why people are in such a rush to become dependant on a network and cloud services that they don't actually need. The idea of having to pay for data access so that I can get my files to my device from the 'cloud' is just absurd to me. Give me enough space to store everything I need so I don't need to get gouged by the telcos when I want to listen to an mp3 on the bus.
You want to talk about convenience? Why can't these devices sync wirelessly to my home server directly instead of using some dubious online service? I'll tell you why: greedy tech companies want to monetize things that are currently free. This is why I don't like android. Sure, it's a solid enough platform, but it's controlled by a company that ultimately wants to sell advertising and services, not hardware. The new Nexus tablets don't even have SD card slots, presumably so the user is forced to constantly shuffle data in and out of the cloud.
The funny thing is, though, I can't wait for these devices to become the standard for the average user, so that desktops can get back to being awesome workstations for geeks instead of the continually dumbed-down internet box for grandma.
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I don't understand why people are in such a rush to become dependant on a network and cloud services that they don't actually need. The idea of having to pay for data access so that I can get my files to my device from the 'cloud' is just absurd to me. Give me enough space to store everything I need so I don't need to get gouged by the telcos when I want to listen to an mp3 on the bus.
Who says they're in a rush and paying for it? I'm not sure if there's big money in pay cloud services right now, outside of the corporate market maybe. Services like iCloud are offered free of charge - value adds.
You want to talk about convenience? Why can't these devices sync wirelessly to my home server directly instead of using some dubious online service? I'll tell you why: greedy tech companies want to monetize things that are currently free.
They can! Just build the software and infrastructure. I sync all my devices with my own Exchange server. I can't see a reason why someone couldn't build an app to sync data elsewhere, you just have to write the software to do it.
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Why can't these devices sync wirelessly to my home server directly.
The security architect part of me just died a little when you said that..
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desiv
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Natami lives and is being developed. I am one of the system testers. However the homepage and a lot of the promises about the system is the work of Gunnar von Boehn, who left the project several months ago. That is why the public activity on the Natami page and forum is low. Surprisingly few people wants to know actual facts about the system in its current state, they want to hear promises and propaganda. And with the guy willing to make propaganda gone - well, you get it ;)
The Natami is most likely to resurface under another project name, with goals more in line with what the main developer Thomas Hirsch wants to do with the system. We will see if there will be further public updates or not until completion.
Thanks for the info. I know there are many of us that would like to receive updates (of any kind) and are excited about the future release of Natami -- or whatever it's called at the time of its release.
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Natami lives and is being developed. I am one of the system testers. However the homepage and a lot of the promises about the system is the work of Gunnar von Boehn, who left the project several months ago. That is why the public activity on the Natami page and forum is low. Surprisingly few people wants to know actual facts about the system in its current state, they want to hear promises and propaganda. And with the guy willing to make propaganda gone - well, you get it
Thank You for Your explanation.
Maybe it's time to change homepage, and official denial of Gunnar propaganda.
The Natami is most likely to resurface under another project name, with goals more in line with what the main developer Thomas Hirsch wants to do with the system.
A more realistic and We understand?
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Well "NetBooks" and "UltraBooks" will more or less merge with tablet+kbd replacing the lower end.
The reall issue with the LimeBook (aka OS4book) is that it allready was a bottomdweller when it was introduced years ago.
Agreed with Kronos. Scrap the design, and build a more suitable one with Varisys.
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+1
I would like a TABLET with AMIGA X1000 technologies inside! Is it possible? :biglaugh:
No, PA Semi board is way to complex. Maybe SAM 460 could make it.
In theory PA Semi is made for low power non desktop use, but such board never surfaced.
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Natami lives and is being developed. I am one of the system testers. However the homepage and a lot of the promises about the system is the work of Gunnar von Boehn, who left the project several months ago. That is why the public activity on the Natami page and forum is low. Surprisingly few people wants to know actual facts about the system in its current state, they want to hear promises and propaganda. And with the guy willing to make propaganda gone - well, you get it ;)
The Natami is most likely to resurface under another project name, with goals more in line with what the main developer Thomas Hirsch wants to do with the system. We will see if there will be further public updates or not until completion.
Thanks Forcie, very sad to hear human factor within team slows down public release.
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Agreed with Kronos. Scrap the design, and build a more suitable one with Varisys.
If you do that you also need to treble the estimated price.... which destroys the entire point of making a netbook in the first place....
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If you do that you also need to treble the estimated price.... which destroys the entire point of making a netbook in the first place....
OK, offer a promised model AND offer a more advanced variant with 766MHz SAM 440 board, integrated RadeonHD and 1GB DDR RAM, fast SATA 2,5 hard drive and max monitor size. Linux, MorphOS and OS4 preinstalled would be nice, Squeeze for 10, MOS for test (105E Key) and OS 4.2 as bundled.
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My tablet came with a keyboard.
I have replaced my laptop with the tablet . I can even plug in a Hardrive or a wireless mouse and micro +normal sd cards.
It works great on web. Makes no noise, no heat and can do all my office work i do offshore "raports" etc.
Has a quadcore cpu that seem to handle all lesser tasks ok.
I have the same one, it would be great if someone could do a port of uae that could capture the android mouse pointer like winuae does on windows.
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Actually, Gunnar put off a lot of people (me included).
Thomas might be better off without him.
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OK, offer a promised model AND offer a more advanced variant with 766MHz SAM 440 board, integrated RadeonHD and 1GB DDR RAM, fast SATA 2,5 hard drive and max monitor size. Linux, MorphOS and OS4 preinstalled would be nice, Squeeze for 10, MOS for test (105E Key) and OS 4.2 as bundled.
"And two hard-boiled eggs."
*HONK!*
"Make that three hard-boiled eggs."
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Actually, Gunnar put off a lot of people (me included).
Thomas might be better off without him.
I'm not that familiar with the dynamic..
Wasn't Gunnar the hardware guy?
Are there still any real low level hardware guys involved or is it all software guys left?
Is the current board done enough that it doesn't need any more hardware work?
Just wondering...
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I am not involved anymore. Gunnar is a hardware guy but in reality it is and was Thomas Hirsch who develops this board (he is a hardware guy too, I think he and Gunnar both worked at IBM)
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I'm not that familiar with the dynamic..
Wasn't Gunnar the hardware guy?
No. My understanding is that Thomas Hirsch is THE hardware guy working on the new SAGA board and that no other hardware guys are helping with the board design.
Are there still any real low level hardware guys involved or is it all software guys left?
Jens Künzer and Christoph Hoehne are supposedly still working on the fpga CPU. At least Jens has made posts that indicate so and Christoph has bought Gunnar's proto board after he left.
Is the current board done enough that it doesn't need any more hardware work?
No. It's usable but not complete. Some features are not active as they are unfinished, untested or need bug fixing. I would imagine many can be fixed in the fpga or firmware without hardware changes.
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So can anybody actually state for a fact what the new intended specs for thge Natami are going to be?
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So can anybody actually state for a fact what the new intended specs for the Natami are going to be?
Maybe, but he ain't talking :/. The release specs would be whatever Thomas decides is good enough when he decides to release it. My guess is that it will include:
-SAGA (much faster and better/larger chip memory, blitter, planar gfx)
-68060 processor board, 512 MB of DDR2 memory
-USBv2, PS2, Ethernet, IDE with DMA, CompactFlash/flashdisk, PCI and classic Amiga ports
-built in scan doubler/deinterlacer and DVI port
Probably included would be:
-optional N68050 fpga CPU
-chunky modes
-significantly upgraded audio (16 bit)
Maybe included:
-fpga FPU
Unlikely to be included:
-case
-complete drivers
-all bugs fixed
-3D
-fpga MMU
The later the release date the more that could be included of course.
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@ matthey:
Thanks. That sounds awfully close to what the FPGA Arcade is going to give us with the daughterboard expansion. I'll be interested to see what (if any) expansion slots might be included in the design.
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@ matthey:
Thanks. That sounds awfully close to what the FPGA Arcade is going to give us with the daughterboard expansion. I'll be interested to see what (if any) expansion slots might be included in the design.
Yep. The fpgaArcade will be first and maybe a little cheaper. The Natami will have a PCI slot and should be a little faster. The big question is who will provide better support and updates. They both could win if they are done right. I've got money ready to support both if they can get their acts together ;).
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I'm hoping a PCI slot is included just to allow a good PCI graphics card.
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I hope the netbook appears, I simply can't justify forking out the big bucks for an os4 machine and I'm sure there are plenty of people who are the same. A cheap entry-level alternative is definitely required.
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What makes you think it will be cheap?
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I'm hoping a PCI slot is included just to allow a good PCI graphics card.
It's there in the real MX developer/proto board:
http://www.natami.net/gfx/NatAmi64_MX/natamipinout.png
I believe it would be the first non-bottlenecked PCI solution for the 68k.
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What makes you think it will be cheap?
I was going to make a Scottish joke but that would be inappropriate.
So I guess the answer is; unrealistic expectations. ;)
Tablets are fine until you want to type or edit text.
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So what is "S-Zorro" on that diagram, anyway? Is there actually a Zorro bus controller that one could theoretically hook a backplane to?
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What makes you think it will be cheap?
http://www.vincentperkins.com/AmigaNG/netbook.php
"Announced at Amiwest 2011, Hyperion has began work on a port of AmigaOS4 to a Netbook device. Designed as an entry level all in one machine for Amiga enthuses and is be a low cost and low power entry to OS4 world. Not much is known about the device and its eistamted performace on such a low powered machine but t the very least anything that runs on the classic version of AmigaOS4 will run on this device and it is also hoped that the upcoming Firefox port, Timberwolf will run and be usable on the device. It is expected sometime 2012 but its been said that workbench already boots into the machine and drivers are being worked on so it may arrive as early as Q1 of 2012. PRICE: £250 to £500 (with OS4)"
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http://www.vincentperkins.com/AmigaNG/netbook.php
"Announced at Amiwest 2011, Hyperion has began work on a port of AmigaOS4 to a Netbook device. Designed as an entry level all in one machine for Amiga enthuses and is be a low cost and low power entry to OS4 world. Not much is known about the device and its eistamted performace on such a low powered machine but t the very least anything that runs on the classic version of AmigaOS4 will run on this device and it is also hoped that the upcoming Firefox port, Timberwolf will run and be usable on the device. It is expected sometime 2012 but its been said that workbench already boots into the machine and drivers are being worked on so it may arrive as early as Q1 of 2012. PRICE: £250 to £500 (with OS4)"
It needs more ram . . .
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@ matthey:
Thanks. That sounds awfully close to what the FPGA Arcade is going to give us with the daughterboard expansion. I'll be interested to see what (if any) expansion slots might be included in the design.
All 5 Natami MX boards produced to date have 512MB RAM and Ethernet 1000 soldered on. That is significantly beyond what FPGA Arcade is promising us with the daughterboard expansion.
I wish both projects the best of luck. And I am planning to buy both when/if they become fully available.
My only complaint about FPGA Arcade that keeps me wanting a Natami so badly is they are starving my poor widdul miggy of all her RAM. All Amiga software can easily address a 4GB memory address space which is about 3GB of useable RAM, (the rest is reserved for registers, expansion cards, etc). But nobody will build us any hardware to actually use that much ram.
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So what is "S-Zorro" on that diagram, anyway?
It is used exclusively by the SuperDuper(tm) 060 CPU Card + Static Ram.
Is there actually a Zorro bus controller that one could theoretically hook a backplane to?
Nope. But PCI is your friend :)
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-built in scan doubler/deinterlacer and DVI port
Natami has no deinterlacer.
Claudio could maybe sneak a deinterlacer into the system but the last I checked he was too mad at Gunnar (as are many others) to actually put in the hours of work it would take to get it in. So basically you can forget about it.
On Natami if you want a noninterlaced screen then your program must actually open a noninterlaced screen such as any normal 31.5 Khz mode.
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I was going to make a Scottish joke but that would be inappropriate.
So I guess the answer is; unrealistic expectations. ;)
What was the joke out of curiosity? Anyway how can a scottish joke be inappropriate?
I think they will put the cost up and up until they realise that it will cost waaaayyyy too much and drop the project altogether. But that's just me.
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It needs more ram . . .
I really hope they will make low end and high end model.
Even Pi has those.
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All Amiga software can easily address a 4GB memory address space which is about 3GB of useable RAM, (the rest is reserved for registers, expansion cards, etc). But nobody will build us any hardware to actually use that much ram.
Make that 2GB addressspace and 1.5GB useable RAM as there are far to much function in the OS that return pointer as (signed) LONG with negative value pointing out some kind of error code.
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Natami has no deinterlacer.
Claudio could maybe sneak a deinterlacer into the system but the last I checked he was too mad at Gunnar (as are many others) to actually put in the hours of work it would take to get it in. So basically you can forget about it.
On Natami if you want a noninterlaced screen then your program must actually open a noninterlaced screen such as any normal 31.5 Khz mode.
I stand corrected but disappointed :(. That also means at least one other "hardware guy" at least worked on the main board. Of course you have the inside scoop being a "Natami Team" member. I still don't understand how Gunnar pissed people off so bad.
Make that 2GB addressspace and 1.5GB useable RAM as there are far to much function in the OS that return pointer as (signed) LONG with negative value pointing out some kind of error code.
Isn't there only 1 or 2 of those? I guess 1 is too much though. Why would the limitation be 1.5GB instead of 2GB? Not that I could imagine using that much memory on a 68k machine. I don't think TCL can use than much memory even if he buffers everything in Total Chaos :).
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Not that I could imagine using that much memory on a 68k machine.
I think 7zip can use 2GB all by itself.
So can any modern web browser.
I don't think TCL can use than much memory even if he buffers everything in Total Chaos :).
The standard battlecry of the gamecoder is "MOAR RAMZ!!!" :D
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Claudio could maybe sneak a deinterlacer into the system but the last I checked he was too mad at Gunnar (as are many others) to actually put in the hours of work it would take to get it in. So basically you can forget about it..
Although, if Gunnar left the project a few months ago, that shouldn't be a problem anymore??
desiv
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Although, if Gunnar left the project a few months ago, that shouldn't be a problem anymore??
You'd think...I'm sure the interpersonal drama was a pain and all, but a deinterlacer would be a seriously useful feature - be a shame for the system to not have it for no good reason.
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The netbook was just made up to steal some thunder from MOS which was about to be released to run on Mac PPC laptops. I doubt it was ever a real product.
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What makes you think it will be cheap?
http://www.osnews.com/story/25251/AmigaOne_X1000_To_Ship_by_Year_s_End_Amiga_Netbook_Announced/
$300 - $500 is certainly cheaper than current options - if they manage to produce it in that price bracket.
Like I said I hope they do, it can only be a good thing for the OS.
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http://www.osnews.com/story/25251/AmigaOne_X1000_To_Ship_by_Year_s_End_Amiga_Netbook_Announced/
$300 - $500 is certainly cheaper than current options - if they manage to produce it in that price bracket.
Like I said I hope they do, it can only be a good thing for the OS.
Maybe. But i have a terrible feeling that they will add on the development costs on to the selling price to break even. Just look at the X1000, that rose in price significantly when it was first announced to when they released it.
But if it is cheap i will buy one.
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So, cutting to the chase ... there's no news on the myth-illogical 'NETBOOK' for OS4, AND there is little likelihood it will ever appear, so NO news is NOT good news, and especially as it's now way past Mid-2012, seeing as it's September 2012
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So, cutting to the chase ... there's no news on the myth-illogical 'NETBOOK' for OS4, AND there is little likelihood it will ever appear, so NO news is NOT good news, and especially as it's now way past Mid-2012, seeing as it's September 2012
The OS4 "notebook" was just a ploy by Ben Hermans to try to stop people from buying the X1000 after his falling out with A-eon. It didn't ever have to actually exist.
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The OS4 "notebook" was just a ploy by Ben Hermans to try to stop people from buying the X1000 after his falling out with A-eon. It didn't ever have to actually exist.
What fallout? :confused:
Do you have a link?
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Just look at the X1000, that rose in price significantly when it was first announced to when they released it.
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Yes, but they differ significantly in that the OS4 netbook is a real product basically.
Already being produced.
They just needed to port OS4 to it...
The problem that I see...
It should have been released already...
The fact that it's not out yet and no word on it.... Doesn't sound good.
Too bad..
desiv
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I haven't read all the comments, but if they have any news on the netbook it will surely be announced at Amiwest this year.
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II still don't understand how Gunnar pissed people off so bad.
Then you don't know Gunnar. He can get really personal. And he got really pissed off at me one time when I mentioned that comparing fps rates on MorphOS ports made with SDL to native Natami code was deceptive.
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Last night i was looking at the Genesi Smartbook and couldn't help but wonder. Imagine the possibilities. Why don't we just switch over to ARM and be done with it.
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Who says they're in a rush and paying for it? I'm not sure if there's big money in pay cloud services right now, outside of the corporate market maybe. Services like iCloud are offered free of charge - value adds.
iCloud is free for 5GB, the smallest device is 16GB so if you backup to that, it pretty much takes up that space now you want to share photos between your iPhone and iPad and Mac thats more space. Documents, more space. Music, more space. Apple knows most users will run out of 5GB quickly and need more. The 'free' part of iCloud is the free hit of the bong to get you hooked.
Netbooks will be killed by Ultrabooks on the bit bigger and expensive but more usefull side and tablets on the cheaper and smaller but a touch less usefull (no keyboard less storage) side.
That said, I agree with a lot of folks here, most who own a tablet it is not all they own. Tablets are travel, reading, video watching, bit of surfing. Type a document or long email you go to your laptop, desktop, netbook or ultrabook. Could you use a bluetooth keyboard with your tablet? Sure. But now you wrestle two devices around, etc. Easy just to grab the laptop. Keyboard is already there.
I think with more emphasis on cloud OS becomes less important, and on a tablet is is least important. You dont expect a tablet to do tons of things. A laptop, netbook, desktop you expect to do more on. So in a market nowadays, Amiga OS would probably fare better on a tablet over other things. Then again, I would love to see Amiga OS on anything modern that wasnt insane priced. I bought a PowerBook to run MorphOS just to get a portable Amiga experience.
So we have to face facts, any Amiga netbook, ultrabook, laptop or desktop is likely to be sold mainly to existing Amiga fans. Tablets might have a wider audience if positioned/priced right but of course even there you have the big gorillas in the room of iPad and Android (Nexus 7 anyone?). The BB Playbook and HP Touchpad learned this the hard way.
I am glad to hear Natami is still in the works. I want to see that come out since it sounded better than most other similar hardware emulators.
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I haven't read all the comments, but if they have any news on the netbook it will surely be announced at Amiwest this year.
If they don't provide at least some new information at, or before the 2012 AmiWest Show, something is really wrong, considering the initial statement from last year's AmiWest Show was that the Hyperion OS4.x NetBook would be released some time around June or July of 2012.
If that statement is not what other people remember hearing at last year's show, I would like to read a direct quote of what was said to refresh my memory. My memory of the projected release date could be incorrect, as everyone knows my memory ain't what it used to be.
(Edit: I found a YouTube video of the announcement made during the 2011 AmiWest Show which clearly says a projected release during the first half of 2012, so it is really a shame that no information has been released from Hyperion, now that we are nearing the end of the 3rd quarter of 2012. A simple statement about what is going on is all that they needed to give us, to protect the respect that Amiga users have given to Hyperion. Each time they choose to ignore us, or keep us in the dark with zero information about why they have not met their projected goals, they lose a little bit more of the respect all OS4.x users want to keep giving to them. We as users would like Hyperion to give us the same amount of respect as we give to them. After all, we have paid for their product and show confidence and respect for them by continuing to purchase their product, even when it is not perfected and still needs more work. We trust them to continue working on OS4.x as they have promised they would. I would hope that they can return some of that trust, by giving us some information about what is happening within their company, which we are supporting and want to continue supporting.)
I don't blame Hyperion for missing a projected release date, that happens with tons of computer software and hardware companies probably more often than projected release dates being accurate, but I am disappointed that they have not released a single shred of information about the proposed OS4.x NetBook this Summer, when all of us were expecting something. If not an actual release of the NetBook, at least some kind of information or update on the progress of their work on porting OS4.x to it and getting the drivers written to use the most/all features of the NetBook.
Amiga users have more patience than any other computer users in the World, but that patience should not be abused by companies that want our continued support.
Don't get me wrong, as a new X1000 owner, I want Hyperion to succeed and prosper as much as possible, as their success and continued progress on OS4.x is vital to my continued enjoyment of my X1000.
That does not mean that users of OS4.x can't offer constructive criticism of Hyperion's decisions and practices, but hopefully any criticism by OS4.x users will be done in a helpful way and not with the intent to hurt the owner of the OS we want to run. I did not buy my X1000 to run Linux on (but I am glad that it can).
I know that this message might anger some of the supporters of Hyperion and OS4.x, but I think that we, the users of OS4.x need to express our opinions and views about the decisions and actions (or lack of actions) of Hyperion, if we are ever going to expect them to act differently and hopefully meet our expectations and their own promises, or projections. I understand that setbacks happen and resources are extremely limited, but that is no good excuse for not communicating with your supporters. This goes for all flavors of NG Amiga systems.
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iCloud is free for 5GB, the smallest device is 16GB so if you backup to that, it pretty much takes up that space now you want to share photos between your iPhone and iPad (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1311&_nkw=ipad+3rd+generation&_sacat=See-All-Categories) and Mac thats more space. Documents, more space. Music, more space. Apple knows most users will run out of 5GB quickly and need more. The 'free' part of iCloud is the free hit of the bong to get you hooked.
True there is a 5GB limit for the free account, but it's important to note that any iTunes content (music, movies, apps, etc.) do not count towards that total - they are backed up for free regardless. You can also pick and choose which content you want to backup. For most people what's most important is camera data (photos and videos). I have to say, of all the people I know with iPhones and using iCloud, I don't know anyone paying for it.
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True there is a 5GB limit for the free account, but it's important to note that any iTunes content (music, movies, apps, etc.) do not count towards that total - they are backed up for free regardless. You can also pick and choose which content you want to backup. For most people what's most important is camera data (photos and videos). I have to say, of all the people I know with iPhones and using iCloud, I don't know anyone paying for it.
Not sure iTunes content is "backed up" in iCloud. You can redownload all of your purchases through iTunes anytime on any device you use your account on. This was a change from earlier days of iTunes where you lost it all and could not redownload if you didn't back it up and started after Amazon started sellign MP3s and like with their books kept track of what you bought so you could get it again anytime and they also dont count purchases toward your cloud storage.
I dont know of anyone paying YET for it either. But you know as more apps use it to transfer data (there really arent that many yet since you need apps on both phone, pad and mac) space will fill quickly. People also need a bit more time to warm to letting someone else store your stuff and trusting them not to lose it, and to have access to it whenever you want it.
My iCloud is full just with my 64gb iPad and 64gb phone backing up but I dont care, and dont use it to transfer pictures, and I have a 500GB Seagate Satellite GoFlex drive to deal with my videos. My music is all putchased from Amazon who give me it in MP3 format that works in my car radio instead of iTunes which gives me Apples format
Ultimatly we all know, Apple (and Amazon and the rest) want you to pay monthly for more storage as a continuous income stream.
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I simply do not understand why someone needs so much storage space. The only thing i can think of is collecting movies or something. I have a 600GB HD in my laptop and an external HD 1.5 TB and i can't fill the thing up. I have like 100 movies on there and still have 1 + GB left over. I don't get it. Why do you need so much storage space? :confused:
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
That is because companies have factored us out.
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'cos a USB HD wont plug into an iPad or an iPhone. And isn't usable if you make it plug in. iTunes or another 3rd party product is the only way to back it up. Apple doesn't just want you to buy iPads they want you to use them as the only window to your stuff. That they hold for you...good plan.
BTW, I just recieved my new OS4 netbook by courier today...
Ohh hang on.. that was a dream wasn't it....!
<<== Hang on Jean-Luc has been using the prototype for years..
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I simply do not understand why someone needs so much storage space. The only thing i can think of is collecting movies or something. I have a 600GB HD in my laptop and an external HD 1.5 TB and i can't fill the thing up. I have like 100 movies on there and still have 1 + GB left over. I don't get it. Why do you need so much storage space? :confused:
We have a new digital camera that takes 16 gigabyte pictures so each picture takes up five megs. Since our camera has 24X zoom, I took it to the ballgame and my wife is a sports fan so I ended up taking 292 pictures. I did a little math and that is a gigabyte and a half of pictures for one outing. When you have kids, you photograph them at school events, sporting events, birthdays, parties, etc. If you do video, it is easy to fill up 1.5 terrabyte drives.
I could get by on backing my computer up on a 64 gigabyte thumbdrive but I have a 160 GB hard drive that is almost full. MP3 music takes up a lot of space.
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We have a new digital camera that takes 16 gigabyte pictures so each picture takes up five megs. Since our camera has 24X zoom, I took it to the ballgame and my wife is a sports fan so I ended up taking 292 pictures. I did a little math and that is a gigabyte and a half of pictures for one outing. When you have kids, you photograph them at school events, sporting events, birthdays, parties, etc. If you do video, it is easy to fill up 1.5 terrabyte drives.
I could get by on backing my computer up on a 64 gigabyte thumbdrive but I have a 160 GB hard drive that is almost full. MP3 music takes up a lot of space.
16 Megapixels I think you mean.
You can usually change the photo quality to JPG and higher compression.
But they still wont fit on a OS4 Netbook.
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Funny how some people can't understand why people like me have absolutely no need for a tablet. How many tablet users only have a tablet? Very few, I bet.
Our laptop died so I wanted a way to read the plans on electronic kits and build them without spending a lot of money and I ran out of space for books because our bookshelves are full and I don't have room or space for new bookshelves.
I now have an Amazon Kindle Fire. It boots quick. It is light. I can check websites really really quick without being tied to a desktop. I can take it to restaurants that have free wifi.
It is an e-reader. I also learned how to send myself microsoft word documents and I can make my own e-documents so I can have important papers with me when I need them on the go.
It keeps my son happy with the games. I can also play MP3 music with it so it is nice to take your books on vacation instead of carrying around 3 or 4 paperback books.
The new Kindle Fire HD that just came out is not add free; I don't know why people put up with this nonsense but we don't have a reason to ever upgrade.
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One of my friends downloads a lot of music. He will download 10 or 30 songs at one time, then listen to the first 10 seconds of each song, then decides he hates those songs, then he will download another 10 or 30 songs. Then he do it all over again. He quickly goes through iphones and ipods as a part of his "collection". I don't get it :confused:
I suspect he is doing what everyone else is doing - deliberately filling up an ipod/iphone with worthless data just to brag about running out of space. I think its a right of passage or something. Dunno. I mean, people are downloading so many songs there simply isn't enough time to listen to it all. So why are they doing it?
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Topic...
OS4... Netbook...Natwherarewe.
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I hope the Natami Will get released out of nostalgia purposes bridging the gap between the Amiga and new technology without the need for multiple add-ons. That said, I am still happy with the existing Amiga technology and don't want to be bomboozled by modern day stuff which we have already. I guess this is the project they have in mind for the Natami. I think most Amigan's creative output would be well enhanced with such a machine. The X1000 is the closest computer to a new Amiga that I've seen.
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One of my friends downloads a lot of music. He will download 10 or 30 songs at one time, then listen to the first 10 seconds of each song, then decides he hates those songs, then he will download another 10 or 30 songs. Then he do it all over again. He quickly goes through iphones and ipods as a part of his "collection". I don't get it :confused:
I suspect he is doing what everyone else is doing - deliberately filling up an ipod/iphone with worthless data just to brag about running out of space. I think its a right of passage or something. Dunno. I mean, people are downloading so many songs there simply isn't enough time to listen to it all. So why are they doing it?
Have you explained to him that it's possible to delete stuff off an ipod/iphone? He doesn't have to get another one once one fills up...
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If they don't provide at least some new information at, or before the 2012 AmiWest Show, something is really wrong,
If you haven't yet realized "something is really wrong" and has been for years with Hyperion & Co., you never will.
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@Kesa
He is a collector. And nothing new there... 20 years ago they were copying every single game they could find, tried 10 minutes, then another.
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I simply do not understand why someone needs so much storage space. The only thing i can think of is collecting movies or something. I have a 600GB HD in my laptop and an external HD 1.5 TB and i can't fill the thing up. I have like 100 movies on there and still have 1 + GB left over. I don't get it. Why do you need so much storage space? :confused:
Just because YOU don't need a lot of storage space doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Not everyone has the same needs as you do...
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That is because companies have factored us out.
But, but Chuck! Don't you know that money is always right? So if you don't like what the rest of the industry is doing, and they're making lots of money, you must be wrong! You're just resisting Progress, you shameless old codger! We know it's progress because marketing and tech journalism told us so!
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But, but Chuck! Don't you know that money is always right? So if you don't like what the rest of the industry is doing, and they're making lots of money, you must be wrong! You're just resisting Progress, you shameless old codger! We know it's progress because marketing and tech journalism told us so!
I remember the generation older than me who have different values. I asked a grown man about himself and he wouldn't answer me when I was a child. I asked another neighbor and her reply was that some people actually value their privacy which is why I chose to avoid Facebook. I see the news of people who were arrested and the news gets a hold of people's Facebook photos and publishes them on the internet so either the family is selling them to be able to afford a lawyer or their rights are being violated because we're innocent before proven guilty.
I remember when our phone didn't ring unless it was friends or family. Now I could answer the phone all day because a telemarket calls to sell me something and I'm on the do not call list. I called my state senator and she said it isn't illegal for telemarketers to call me.
Remember the Iraqi trading cards? A spammer has to send out one million spams a day just to make six thousand dollars. I bought a kindle, downloaded a weather app and there were three pages of boxes that I could click on to have my privacy protected and now when I visit certain news sites, the icons don't show up anymore because the news icons that you click on are the very cookies that track you.
I could answer the phone all day but I don't because no one is paying me to say "no".
The idea is that you can opt out of having your rights violated. Since I can opt out, I know all of it is infringement which is illegal on the part of companies because i've always had rights to my privacy that were ignored and if I didn't then I wouldn't have to opt out and the infringement on our rights are illegal.
I know farmers in remote regions that could make money and have cell phone towers put on their property to improve reception but they value their way of life and they value the landscape.
I am not Google's or anyone's property and I would have to say to them, "I'm disappointed that you would all use me like that."
These are companies without values, I'm not their property, I don't want to be hosed and I'm disappointed that other people would let them use them.
So if avoiding Google email makes my life more private, I'll do without it.
The Dixie Chicks sold a billion dollars worth of records and they didn't see any of it. Why do you think that is? We have a culture that lets others use us.
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I think the commodification of every aspect of our society is incredibly toxic. The notion that there is no instance that should not be turned into a source of income, is very inhuman, even if you are otherwise pro-free trade.
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I think the commodification of every aspect of our society is incredibly toxic. The notion that there is no instance that should not be turned into a source of income, is very inhuman, even if you are otherwise pro-free trade.
Quite so. That was the reason I never got onto Facebook (well, the initial reason - there's been no shortage of additional ones since then.)
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I think the commodification of every aspect of our society is incredibly toxic. The notion that there is no instance that should not be turned into a source of income, is very inhuman, even if you are otherwise pro-free trade.
Typically you will find that in areas lacking in wealth, or having existing wealth devalued by government policies which will force people into creative methods of wealth generation.
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Typically you will find that in areas lacking in wealth, or having existing wealth devalued by government policies which will force people into creative methods of wealth generation.
Then what's it doing in Silicon Valley?
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Dammy, I can assure you that we will find zero instances where you and I agree on economic policies ;)
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Then what's it doing in Silicon Valley?
Considering the devaluation of the USD (QE I,II, Twisting and soon to be III), inflation including food/energy, and decline in wealth in Silicon Valley via falling property values, I would say yes.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-25/tech/31396730_1_housing-market-housing-values-zillow-home-value-index
Things are not getting better for most people. A super cheap netbook for OS4 would be perfect, if it could do the job that the average person would expect it to do but from all that I've read, 400MHz ain't going to do it. Now if it's going to be priced near 10" tablet with quad core CPU, may as well forget all about it and save alot of people time and effort.
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If they don't provide at least some new information at, or before the 2012 AmiWest Show, something is really wrong, considering the initial statement from last year's AmiWest Show was that the Hyperion OS4.x NetBook would be released some time around June or July of 2012.
I follow Hyperion's OS4 since the beginning. And if I found any consitency over the years it is that they announce and promise a lot and fullfill only a pretty small farction. Hence, I don't believe any announcement w/o evidence.
This netbook thing was a marketing stunt and not a sophisticated one. That was easy to see from the beginning and I said so when it was announced. they found this stupid Limebook, looked briefly to the specs and decides to call that the OS4 netbook. Unfortunately this netbook is a f*cked up one. The supply (at least) outside China is de facto not existant, a driver for the PowerVR gfx engine is not easy to make (no open documentation) and additionally the 512x chip family comes w/o a hardware warranted cache coherence. The limebook itself, looks rather like a toy computer. It's old and outdated now.
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Considering the devaluation of the USD (QE I,II, Twisting and soon to be III), inflation including food/energy, and decline in wealth in Silicon Valley via falling property values, I would say yes.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-25/tech/31396730_1_housing-market-housing-values-zillow-home-value-index
Except that, as the article notes, in the areas with the big companies (and these being some of the biggest companies in world history,) they're actually rising. (I'd be interested in seeing some more recent data, though, now that Facebook's "looming IPO" has suffered hilarious performance issues.)
You say that the commoditization of humanity is tied to poor economic health and impeded growth, but I'm just not seeing that. US-based companies have led the way in this for years, and we're certainly not among the poorest nations, flagging though we are. And for two examples, Google's creeping dominance of the information-trafficking business and Facebook's out-and-out commoditization of human relationships both started long before the 2008 crash (I don't know exactly when you could point to for Google, but the launch of GMail could be seen as a starting point, and that and Facebook both launched in 2004.)
In any case, your premise (if I'm reading it correctly) basically boils down to the idea that greed is a function of lack, which I think is essentially contrary to all observed behavior in all of human history. If people and companies only sought to acquire more than they have because they don't have enough, then we should see people and companies above a certain level of wealth (not necessarily subsistence-level, maybe more like what you could call "luxury-level") being by and large content with what they have, while anybody below that line would be, as a rule, striving to reach that point.
That's not what we see. That's not what we've ever seen. What we see is that a lot of the people who have well more than enough strive to acquire even more, and a lot of the people who are below "luxury-level" (but above subsistence-level) are more or less content to remain where they are, even if they might theoretically like to have more. It's the exact opposite of that premise.
Now, I'm not the kind of person who's going to say that trying to get more than you need is necessarily a bad thing. I think it can be pathological and unhealthy, but maybe not always. What I do think is that it's not inherently good, either* - which means we must judge a person so doing individually, on the basis of what they do in pursuit of that. Throwing venture capital at a company because you have cash to spare and think their product is going to pay off? Nothing wrong with that (assuming it's not a company manufacturing baby-chippers or something.) Building a company designed to commoditize human friendship, so that you can sell relationships to advertisers? No. No, that's some supervillain-level crap, and we just plain don't need that.
* (this is where I differ from modern-day Republicans, who seem to be caught up in a blind, Randian worship of success irrespective of its motive or means)
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Not sure iTunes content is "backed up" in iCloud. You can redownload all of your purchases through iTunes anytime on any device you use your account on. This was a change from earlier days of iTunes where you lost it all and could not redownload if you didn't back it up and started after Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/) started sellign MP3s and like with their books kept track of what you bought so you could get it again anytime and they also dont count purchases toward your cloud storage.
Not sure what happens on the back end, but Apple says "You get unlimited free storage for purchased music, movies, TV shows, apps and books". Of course they may simply be linking to the store copy of the purchase - would make sense. Why store the same movie over and over again for thousands or millions of users? That would be awfully innefficient.
Ultimatly we all know, Apple (and Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/) and the rest) want you to pay monthly for more storage as a continuous income stream.
Absolutely! They are in business to make a profit.
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For USD 25 they qive you access to high quality versions of your 10s of thousands of pirated mp3s. Not a bad deal.
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If you're into piracy, high-quality music rips are not that difficult to come by, and they're free, to boot! Even better deal!
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If you're into piracy, high-quality music rips are not that difficult to come by, and they're free, to boot! Even better deal!
It does sort of amuse me that you can buy portable MP3 players and phones with 16+ GB of storage, while they claim to totally be against music piracy.
Because everyone I know is going to fill that storage space up at 1 dollar per song, real soon now.
But they are really totally against piracy.
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Well, I can see an argument being made for legitimate music purchase on ethical grounds, especially now that there are services where a significant chunk of that money actually goes to the artist and not the eighteen middlemen imposed by the music industry standard model. But it's still funny to hear something that costs money praised as "a good deal" compared to something that costs nothing...
Me, I just buy used LPs on eBay.
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It does sort of amuse me that you can buy portable MP3 players and phones with 16+ GB of storage, while they claim to totally be against music piracy.
Because everyone I know is going to fill that storage space up at 1 dollar per song, real soon now.
And people owning CD's and actually ripping those to MP3's is of course totally unthinkable?
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And people owning CD's and actually ripping those to MP3's is of course totally unthinkable?
But most people don't have 1000's of cds in their collection (If they say they do they are lying).
I would also like to point out that when you "buy" songs from itunes you don't actually own the songs you simply receive a licence. Bruce Willis is suing Apple because he spent thousands building up his collection and is not allowed to give his collection to someone else.
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But most people don't have 1000's of cds in their collection (If they say they do they are lying).
But then again, you don't need 1000's of CD's to fill up something like 16GB, a couple of hundred is enough. Most of my friends (who aren't casual listeners) own CD's and/or LP's to fill up way over 16GB as decent quality MP3's.
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I have enough LPs recorded to fill 16gb many times over, and I've only recorded a few hundred of my LPs, about 20% of my collection. No downloads for me at all (no point having a decent audio system and putting lossy compressed audio through it!).
My needle-drops are 200khz (100 for mono) variable bitrate OGG Vorbis (much better than mp3), so they're nothing unusual.
Incidentally Sansa mp3 players are great for OGG and FLAC - can't do that on an iPod. :)
Heck, I could fill 16GB in about 50 tracks (as long as those were tracks were by Yes or Genesis or something :) )
However, I am - of course - in the minority. Most people I meet just use a digital five-finger discount.
One thing though, this isn't a new phenomenon. Anyone old enough knows that in the 80s you could walk into many shops and buy blank tapes, C15 for computers or C90 for audio.... and nobody ever believed they were all being used to make new games and music. Then it was blank CDs. Now "blank" ipods. It's nothing new.
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We also never had the internet in the 1980's either. Comparing the 2 are not really the same.
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Heck, I could fill 16GB in about 50 tracks (as long as those were tracks were by Yes or Genesis or something :) )
Let us not forget Jethro Tull, or Focus, ELP, or Pink Floyd... :)
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Let us not forget Jethro Tull, or Focus, ELP, or Pink Floyd... :)
Hehe. I always knew Amiga users had taste. :)
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It does sort of amuse me that you can buy portable MP3 players and phones with 16+ GB of storage, while they claim to totally be against music piracy.
Because everyone I know is going to fill that storage space up at 1 dollar per song, real soon now.
But they are really totally against piracy.
Really? I legally own over 60GBs of MP3 files but I wasn't dumb enough to buy them from someone like Apple at $1 a song. Of course I didn't even buy them as MP3s. I bought the original audio CDs and ripped them to FLAC for lossless storage and convert them to MP3 as needed. ;^D
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But most people don't have 1000's of cds in their collection (If they say they do they are lying).
I would also like to point out that when you "buy" songs from itunes you don't actually own the songs you simply receive a licence. Bruce Willis is suing Apple because he spent thousands building up his collection and is not allowed to give his collection to someone else.
Define 'most people' and most new devices with 16GB+ of storage aren't only storing MP3s either. In my circle of friends I have several that legally own over a thousand LPs, Tapes, and CDs.
The days of a dedicated MP3 player aren't gone but most people are buying Smart devices that play movies too. Put a few legally owned movies on the device, photos, recorded video and MP3s and 16GB isn't that big. That's why I stream much of my content to my puny 16GB devices. ;^D
-Nyle
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I have enough LPs recorded to fill 16gb many times over, and I've only recorded a few hundred of my LPs, about 20% of my collection. No downloads for me at all (no point having a decent audio system and putting lossy compressed audio through it!).
My needle-drops are 200khz (100 for mono) variable bitrate OGG Vorbis (much better than mp3), so they're nothing unusual.
Incidentally Sansa mp3 players are great for OGG and FLAC - can't do that on an iPod. :)
yeah, the lack of formats it supports is rather aggravating.
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And people owning CD's and actually ripping those to MP3's is of course totally unthinkable?
Where I work, we employ mostly younger people. I'd be highly surprised to find many 19 to 21 year olds owning even 10 CD's nowadays.
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Where I work, we employ mostly younger people. I'd be highly surprised to find many 19 to 21 year olds owning even 10 CD's nowadays.
That is true. The Music industry has had a huge decline as digital has come along.
It's easy for some(not you.) to point all the fault at piracy but when I was a kid I had the ability to copy any record or tape but I still bought the majority of my music. Yes, it is easier to get copies today but still I think a large part of why many do not buy the music is because the industry refuses to change with the times. They had the chance to embrace digital and lower distribution costs and pass that on to the consumer but chose not to.
As it stands, IMNSHO the cost of a MP3 album or individual tracks are far too high for many people. I think the industry would see a Renaissance of sales if they'd stop putting out so much cookie cutter music and lower the price on their digital media.
The movie industry needs to do the same thing - exclusive pay per view rentals have made them fat and lazy. The new generation wants it's media streamed over the Internet and typically wants some form of unlimited streaming package instead of $3.00 per movie view.
The excuse for high price is always piracy and the high price always causes more to pirate. So where is the solution?
-Nyle
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It's actually sort of interesting, because the music industry now basically works on a model of "pay us if you want to, you can get the product either way", whether they admit it or not.
Supply and Demand gets interesting when the supply is set to infinity :)
edit: And you are right of course as regards industry attitudes. THe problem is they based their entire business on controlling the distribution. When that control was taken away, it turned out, they didn't have a backup plan, because they never expected to do anything else.
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And people owning CD's and actually ripping those to MP3's is of course totally unthinkable?
Especially when you can go to a large public library and borrow their CD's.
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Especially when you can go to a large public library and borrow their CD's.
You can, but then ,you might as well just torrent it. It's no more legal in the eyes of the law.
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The excuse for high price is always piracy and the high price always causes more to pirate. So where is the solution?
-Nyle
I own a house and have a family so the days of buying a lot of CD's a year is something you do in your 20's because you don't know any better unless you are rich. When I went to the University, no one was wearing headphones because everyone was studying or worrying about what they had to get done because we were actually that busy and the university actually had semesters between the semesters for people who were super studiers.
I had two hard drives fail so investing a lot of money into digital downloads without a backup is not something I'm going to do. The exception of the rule is if the CD is from overseas and it would cost me more money to import.
I can put my CD's into my Will. You can't do that with MP3's.
The customer has all the power. If you don't buy, they can't make you take their business plan.
I'm not going to be locked into iTunes because I don't live in a walled garden nor do I want to be shackled to a platform or format.
I actually order CD's from online and pay postage to have them shipped. I keep most of my CD's.
My wife has a lot of CD's and she got them from a CD club that give you offers. These clubs still exist.
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Thats another thing: The push is very much with music as it is with software towards "renting" rather than ownership. You pay to use a service for a given period of time. It's never owned by you.
This extends to plenty of electronic widgets too. You have a license to use it, but you don't have ownership to modify or tamper with it.
At the risk of being doctrinaire, remember that private ownership is for the people who own the productive forces, not for you.
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What fallout? :confused:
Do you have a link?
Sorry, missed your post earlier. If you recall Ben Hermans was one of the founding partners of A-Eon. Ben Hermans is no longer a partner at A-Eon. According to a post made on moobunny shortly before the split there was a boardroom argument and things got physical resulting in the split up, but as far as we know that is just a rumor.
What is not a rumor is, a while back A-Eon was re-incorporated in Cardiff, UK. Previously it was a CVBA incorporated in Belgium. The partners are now Trevor Dickinson and Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit.
Today:
http://a-eon.com/?page=about
Previously:
http://www.amigamccc.org/journal/1004aeon.htm
("The principals include Trevor Dickinson, Tony Moorley and Ben Hermans")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000
("A-Eon Technology CVBA in partnership with Hyperion Entertainment")
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This extends to plenty of electronic widgets too. You have a license to use it, but you don't have ownership to modify or tamper with it.
At the risk of being doctrinaire, remember that private ownership is for the people who own the productive forces, not for you.
I could use Verizon VZ Navigator and pay each day or I could use a dedicated GPS that I have been using for the last 6 years. I might use VZ Navigator if I was in an emergency and desperate but the productive forces do not have ownership of me because there is always competition. I watched a youtube video on how to change the battery in my Tom Tom GPS and I bought a battery off of Ebay for less than $9 dollars with free shipping. My GPS was a gift and it could last ten years or more and major roads don't move so I'm pretty happy with getting GPS service for free.
We don't go to Mac (Star) machines (automated teller machine) that charge you .50 cents.
My wife only goes to the store and stocks up on items that are on sale.
If you don't do this, you will be out of money and won't have enough money to retire because you are paying a chizeler and honest market forces are always cheaper than a chizeler. That extra money called discretionary spending is what you need to save for retirement.
I've also been watching Sears mowers on sale which aren't a real sale. I watch the price of the mower for each sale and I'm laughing because a sale isn't a sale when the item is more expensive or the same price as it was all summer. No sale for me. I'll wait till October or January to see if the price is any lower but I'm not forced to buy.
I will continue to think outside the box.
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Sorry, missed your post earlier. If you recall Ben Hermans was one of the founding partners of A-Eon. Ben Hermans is no longer a partner at A-Eon. According to a post made on moobunny shortly before the split there was a boardroom argument and things got physical resulting in the split up, but as far as we know that is just a rumor.
What is not a rumor is, a while back A-Eon was re-incorporated in Cardiff, UK. Previously it was a CVBA incorporated in Belgium. The partners are now Trevor Dickinson and Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit.
Today:
http://a-eon.com/?page=about
Previously:
http://www.amigamccc.org/journal/1004aeon.htm
("The principals include Trevor Dickinson, Tony Moorley and Ben Hermans")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000
("A-Eon Technology CVBA in partnership with Hyperion Entertainment")
Thanks.
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If you recall Ben Hermans was one of the founding partners of A-Eon. Ben Hermans is no longer a partner at A-Eon. According to a post made on moobunny shortly before the split there was a boardroom argument and things got physical resulting in the split up, but as far as we know that is just a rumor.
What is not a rumor is, a while back A-Eon was re-incorporated in Cardiff, UK. Previously it was a CVBA incorporated in Belgium. The partners are now Trevor Dickinson and Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit.
Lulz! Did anyone ever get along with Ben Hermans? :roflmao:
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Funny how some people can't understand why people like me have absolutely no need for a tablet. How many tablet users only have a tablet? Very few, I bet.
Yeah but then again "How many people really only have an Amiga One X1000?" Very, Very Few I bet.
smerf
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Yeah but then again "How many people really only have an Amiga One X1000?" Very, Very Few I bet.
I dunno, but I can tell you which one's going to be easier to type on...
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I absolutely dispise touch screens. Such a pain in the arse to type on. Give me buttons/keys anyday!
@Smerf. Stop being a cranky old fart! Also get your subscription fixed.
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I dunno, but I can tell you which one's going to be easier to type on...
Bluetooth keyboards say hi. :) The case I have for my ipad has a full keyboard. So I'm going to assume you meant the tablets(since they don't have usb issues and all).
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12 hours and the Australia Apple Store should allow me tol pre-order my iPhone 5. 64 GB, come to daddy!
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Bluetooth keyboards say hi. :) The case I have for my ipad has a full keyboard. So I'm going to assume you meant the tablets(since they don't have usb issues and all).
Oh yes, definitely I meant tablets. Why, with third-party solutions, you can make them almost as good as a laptop with weak hinges and a chiclet keyboard!
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Oh yes, definitely I meant tablets. Why, with third-party solutions, you can make them almost as good as a laptop with weak hinges and a chiclet keyboard!
Or this thing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2191539/iTypewriter-iPad-gets-unofficial-typewriter-dock-mimics-pre-PC-days.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/21/article-0-14A35ED4000005DC-211_634x476.jpg)
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Man that's cool.
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Lulz! Did anyone ever get along with Ben Hermans? :roflmao:
I don't recall ever having great difficulty with him. There were things we didn't agree on, but it was a friendly different way of seeing things.
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I don't recall ever having great difficulty with him. There were things we didn't agree on, but it was a friendly different way of seeing things.
Yup. In my personal conversations with him, he was never a bother, but whenever he's mentioned, there always seems to be a scathing to his name. :sealed:
The only thing I would be excited to see is everyone showing full-on OpenGL.
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Or this thing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2191539/iTypewriter-iPad-gets-unofficial-typewriter-dock-mimics-pre-PC-days.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/21/article-0-14A35ED4000005DC-211_634x476.jpg)
lol I almost bought that thing because frankly it's pretty badass. :D I wish it had the old handlebar return on it tho like what was common for that style typewriter.
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Lulz! Did anyone ever get along with Ben Hermans? :roflmao:
Many are responsible for the death of Amiga, and he is one of them, although very late in the game (when there still was a slight chance of some kind of a revival). But more importantly, he is responsible for dragging the fine Amiga legacy in the mud for the last decade, and he alone is responsible for most of the destructive innuendo legal crap we have seen, the community split, and tons of FUD and lies. In short: He is not a good guy, and has never been.
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Many are responsible for the death of Amiga, and he is one of them, although very late in the game (when there still was a slight chance of some kind of a revival). But more importantly, he is responsible for dragging the fine Amiga legacy in the mud for the last decade, and he alone is responsible for most of the destructive innuendo legal crap we have seen, the community split, and tons of FUD and lies. In short: He is not a good guy, and has never been.
Oh here we go again with your 10 year old vendetta against Ben Hermans. The best you guys can usually do is link to some comments he made on Ann almost a decade ago, rightly are wrongly I'm sure he has moved on, cause in recent years I only see mudslinging and FUD originating from one direction, Yours!
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Oh here we go again with your 10 year old vendetta against Ben Hermans. The best you guys can usually do is link to some comments he made on Ann almost a decade ago, rightly are wrongly I'm sure he has moved on, cause in recent years I only see mudslinging and FUD originating from one direction, Yours!
Did you even read the title of the thread? It's about the OS4 netbook that was announced last AmiWest which was to be available "first half of 2012". Take a look at your calendar, note that we are in the last half of 2012.
Unless ssolie was just making **** up off the top of his head, that announcement originated from Ben Hermans, and the announcement was a lie. There are plenty of other example from the recent past, take your blinders off, OS4 world is a fantasy world full of gnomes and fairies.
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@jorkany
Hello culprit no 2.
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@jorkany
Hello culprit no 2.
So the OS4 netbooks have been released during the first half of this year? Jorkany is pointing out a fact, no reason to smear him for it.
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So the OS4 netbooks have been released during the first half of this year? Jorkany is pointing out a fact, no reason to smear him for it.
yes and well let's just say he is also well known for spewing out the opposite of 'facts' and this unfortunately is a well known fact;)
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12 hours and the Australia Apple Store should allow me tol pre-order my iPhone 5. 64 GB, come to daddy!
True dat... (http://www.b3ta.com/board/10847027)
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What is the best way to milk a sheep? :confused:
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What is the best way to milk a sheep? :confused:
Via the teats, I'd presume.
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Via the teats, I'd presume.
Nowadays they have a facebook app for it ;)
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What is the best way to milk a sheep? :confused:
We don't have a Cow. We have a Bull...
(http://i48.tinypic.com/4r3n.jpg)
/Kingpin
:D
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Let's just reserve final judgment on the OS4 netbook until amiwest. Hopefully, there's some big news that catches us all by surprise. (Yeah, I know.)
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Good idea. But if it does not happen i think the community deserves a pretty big explanantion.
Does Ben Hermans ever post on Amiga.org or any other Amiga forums? If not, why not?
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Does Ben Hermans ever post on Amiga.org or any other Amiga forums? If not, why not?
If I were him I wouldn't post here. Too many people here with axes to grind. I'd imagine he'd go to the more os4 friendly forums.
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Minds like you is what ruined commodore, a tablet will be sold in more units than any computer even if it is driven by a exoticOS (= AmigaOS)
AmigaOS would be horrible on a tablet. A decent touch driven UI and apps all need to be made that way from the start/ground up.
Try using an old Windows XP powered tablet or VNC to a desktop on an iPad to see how horrid the experience is.
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So, the last posts were 3 months ago. Its been over a year since they announced the Amiga notebook was coming.
Any update ?
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Someone jumped the gun on how easy it would be to port os4 to an existing ppc laptop product... Either that or they couldn't get that existing ppc laptop dirt cheap enough. They want to buy low and sell high to rape the amiga community enough to make it profitable enough for them...
If you want a next gen amiga laptop... MorphOS and AROS win!
I can't wait to see the benchmarks now that MorphOS is ported to sam... Will be funny to see side by side comparisons...
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It is nothing new. Comparisons has been possible for ages with Pegasos hardware.
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So here it is,almost 2013, netbooks in general have become an endangered species and the OS 4 netbook is slightly less real than a unicorn.
Did it ever exist?
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Something would be nice, but I can wait.
The only problem is, that I am sort of holding my money for this notebook, rather than buying a Sam based system.
So if I am not the only one that are waiting for the notebook. They might give us some news, since it can't be good for ACube
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What do you need, a giant sign lit up in neon stating formally it's dead with Ben Herman's signature on it, supplemented by a mass mailing of condolence letters? It's as much as been announced that it's dead, if it even ever actually existed in the first place.
Did you see a formal announcement from Hyperion about the other Mystery Devices from the mid 00s being canceled? I suppose you're still waiting on those as well...
As far as ACube goes you should probably get that SAM. ACube has proven to be a reliable company and has supported their users fairly over the years, I'd trust them long before trusting Hyperion.
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I posted earlier, they found a ppc laptop they thought they could get dirt cheap in bulk and port OS4 to...
It didn't happen... People have posted info on the actual ppc laptop here before...
If you want an amiga next gen laptop, try AROS or morphOS.
An os4 laptop was just pie in the sky that never materialized....
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You learn something new everyday...
Just to warn everyone... I was not aware, but you can not use the term "raping the community" it is a violation of the terms of service here.
I think my post was pretty sedate except for that term. It is a well known
fact that many amiga grave robbers have done things that are not so
ethical. My statement was about that.
What about "robbing the community" as an acceptable substitute, I hope thats okay. In my previous deleted post I said something about "raping the community". I apologize to the entire amiga.org community. Going forward, I will simply say people are "robbing" the community.
I'm sorry if my comments were offensive to any rape victims who may use
this forum. I hope my use of the term "robbing the community" will not be offensive to any forum members here who may have been robbed.
:argue:
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@haywirepc
yes, that is a more acceptable phrase. thanks for your understanding.
-- eliyahu
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My first thought was "Making unsolicited love to the community" but "robbing the community" is probably fine as well. Albeit less creative. Lol.
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Your right that is better!
Either way, my statement was they thought they could get those ppc
laptops dirt cheap, port os4 to them and then... "rob the community." for those outdated spec ppc laptops.
I guess it didn't work out.
Silly amiga grave robbers, next gen amiga laptops are for AROS and MorphOS.
Reasonably priced... Working nicely and here today.
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Some how you haven't understand how capitalism works. You make a decision, so it is your own problem if you feel rxped after that.
I would be perfectly happy with dirt cheap laptop with OS4. Some people are like cancer, always spreading negative feelings to ohers.
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Your right that is better!
Either way, my statement was they thought they could get those ppc
laptops dirt cheap, port os4 to them and then... "rob the community." for those outdated spec ppc laptops.
I guess it didn't work out.
Silly amiga grave robbers, next gen amiga laptops are for AROS and MorphOS.
Reasonably priced... Working nicely and here today.
Perhaps "surprise sex the community"?
"Jerry Lee Lewis to his First Cousin the Community"?
"Catholic Priest to Altarboy the community"?
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"dirt cheap laptop with OS4"
But your missing the point. It would have been a dirt cheap laptop, but somehow because it could run the magical os4, it would not have been dirt cheap to
the community.
A dirt cheap to the community laptop with os4 with make actual business
sense. Lets not get crazy and start expecting that all of a sudden.
:laugh1:
Bilgerat is much more creative than me.
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Well they did initially state a few hundred, so that is dirt cheap.
Anyway I would prefer to get information from a reliable source rather than the usual AOS bashers.
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I don't mean to be a basher, but come on man, they make this announcement, then they just forget about it when it does not happen? At least explain the delay or say they cancelled the project...
As far as AOS bashers, I don't mean to be so harsh but I just think when you
price something so high that even big fans of amiga can not afford it, or justify the high cost with the 10 year old spec hardware, its kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
Making product announcements of a low cost alternative then just pretending
that announcement did not happen when people ask about where the product
is...? thats shooting yourself in the other foot.
Because of the high cost, I got into AROS instead of AOS. Truthfully though,
I spend most of my hobby computer time on linux now.
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I don't mean to be a basher, but come on man, they make this announcement, then they just forget about it when it does not happen? At least explain the delay or say they cancelled the project...
As far as AOS bashers, I don't mean to be so harsh but I just think when you
price something so high that even big fans of amiga can not afford it, or justify the high cost with the 10 year old spec hardware, its kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
Making product announcements of a low cost alternative then just pretending
that announcement did not happen when people ask about where the product
is...? thats shooting yourself in the other foot.
Because of the high cost, I got into AROS instead of AOS. Truthfully though,
I spend most of my hobby computer time on linux now.
man! Right now I am going crazy with the Rpi and all the crazy OSes being ported to it.
CommodoreJohn turned me onto RISC OS, which is pretty nice, even if they had some weird 21 bit scheme for a while (WTF Acorn? Had to British it all up, did you?).
Now, they have Plan9 (from outer space - couldn't resist :laugh1: ) for it as well, which is pretty fascinating.
It is actually a pretty nice time for obscure OSes these days.
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It will be declining due to the introduction of the Direct Brain Implant PC. ;)
It's called beer where I'm from. ;-)
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man! Right now I am going crazy with the Rpi and all the crazy OSes being ported to it.
CommodoreJohn turned me onto RISC OS, which is pretty nice, even if they had some weird 21 bit scheme for a while (WTF Acorn? Had to British it all up, did you?).
Now, they have Plan9 (from outer space - couldn't resist :laugh1: ) for it as well, which is pretty fascinating.
It is actually a pretty nice time for obscure OSes these days.
Risc OS on the Pi is AWESOME. Just what Amiga OS should be, in the right hardware.
And it was 26 bits, not 12!! hahaha! It only affected the program counter in some situations, so many old time Archimedes software works natively on the Pi.
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Well they did initially state a few hundred, so that is dirt cheap.
Anyway I would prefer to get information from a reliable source rather than the usual AOS bashers.
then sit and wait for a dis-announcement from a reliable source if you insist. it can take forever, but if it is what you prefer.. btw, its os4 bashers, not aos bashers. i think we all favour amiga, but not necessarily everything that just claims to be it.
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Something would be nice, but I can wait.
The only problem is, that I am sort of holding my money for this notebook, rather than buying a Sam based system.
So if I am not the only one that are waiting for the notebook. They might give us some news, since it can't be good for ACube
There's been no news for a year and the Sam boards are more powerful and more flexible. If you think a 440/460 would satisfy your Amiga NG needs then go for it now. I wouldn't wait around for something we have seen so much as a screenshot of.
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Natami project is dead, or not? Anyone?
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Natami project is dead, or not? Anyone?
As dead as the mythical OS4 NetBook I'm afraid.
The FPGA Arcade on the other hand looks like it might start shipping in numbers one of these days.
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There's been no news for a year and the Sam boards are more powerful and more flexible. If you think a 440/460 would satisfy your Amiga NG needs then go for it now. I wouldn't wait around for something we have seen so much as a screenshot of.
I did
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As dead as the mythical OS4 NetBook I'm afraid.
The FPGA Arcade on the other hand looks like it might start shipping in numbers one of these days.
NATAMI.... so much work, so much progress, so much hype -- such a waste if it's dead and buried now.