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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga.org site announcements => Topic started by: MobbyG on November 23, 2009, 12:10:03 PM
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The new owner of Amiga.org has asked to reveal his identity on Amiga Roundtable! We are not only honored but we’re excited to do it! Tune in to our live show November 29th, 2009 at 11am Eastern Time (15:00 GMT) on Ustream! Submit your questions in the comments of the announcement on the AmiZed Studios website!
Stream Link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amiga-roundtable (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amiga-roundtable)
Announcement Link: http://www.amigaz.org/2009/11/23/art-episode-45-new-amiga-org-owner/ (http://www.amigaz.org/2009/11/23/art-episode-45-new-amiga-org-owner/)
The new owner(s) haven’t told us who he/she is yet, so it’s going to be a surprise to us as well as you. And they have been good at hiding any clue to their identity. Either way, it should be an awesome show! So submit your question now!
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Is it doomy?
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You don't actually need to be a rocket scientist to realize it's Bill Panagouleas.
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If it is i guessed at that ages ago, do I win a prize :)
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If it is i guessed at that ages ago, do I win a prize :)
Yes you win a nice Animal from the muppets avatar to use on the site...oh.
(I'll have another rummage in the prize bag...)
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If it is i guessed at that ages ago, do I win a prize :)
Here you go:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Papukaijamerkki.svg/352px-Papukaijamerkki.svg.png)
(here's the explanation of this somewhat obscure badge: wikipedia: Sirkus Papukaija (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirkus_Papukaija))
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I, for one, welcome our new owner.
...and if it's Bill P. then thats WAY cool too!
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Is it doomy?
If it is then may god have mercy on us all.
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Here you go:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Papukaijamerkki.svg/352px-Papukaijamerkki.svg.png)
(here's the explanation of this somewhat obscure badge: wikipedia: Sirkus Papukaija (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirkus_Papukaija))
Why thank you kind sir. :lol::lol::roflmao::roflmao:
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So amiga.org is going to become "video-amiga-toaster.org" now?
You know, here in Europe, Amiga stood on four solid legs withouth the toaster for quite a while, its not that important to the success of the Amiga that some people think IMHO.
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So amiga.org is going to become "video-amiga-toaster.org" now?
You know, here in Europe, Amiga stood on four solid legs withouth the toaster for quite a while, its not that important to the success of the Amiga that some people think IMHO.
I could not agree more. The VT was a niche product that had zero impact on the vast majority of European home users.
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i hope that Bill Panagouleas will make a.org appearance look like it used to do, today its appearance design wise is horrible...
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All hail our new overloard!
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If it is i guessed at that ages ago, do I win a prize :)
My guess was the same, but we don't get a prize. That went to J-Golden. XD
You know, they could give me a free copy of Aladdin 4D and I'd make some animations for them. XD
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I'm routing for ,His Holiness, the Great Spaghetti Monster!
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The new owner is this guy -->> :banana:
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No no, the new owner of A.ORG is...
BROCCOLI!!!
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You don't actually need to be a rocket scientist to realize it's Bill Panagouleas.
Perhaps not, but does it at least help?
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So amiga.org is going to become "video-amiga-toaster.org" now?
Unfortunately it seems this way.
BTW curious thing the aw.net fallout. MobbyG leaving (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5159&start=140#69286) and all that. Must be a coincidence, surely.
We will see what will become of amiga.org.
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Oh for gods sake! Just tell us who it is! Why all this drama folks!
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I don't like some of the negative tones in some of these replies, nor the sarcastic, or the mocking that some of the messages might be taken for. Let's not put down the new owner before he/she/they are even introduced.
I also guessed that it was DiscreetFX long ago (maybe first), but I am not so sure anymore, but if it is, why start assuming negative things about Amiga.org becoming nothing more than a site to promote the Video Toaster products, or put down the positive impact that the NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer had for the Amiga?
Yes, I agree that the VT/Flyer had little to no effect on EU Amiga users, but it probably kept Commodore alive a few months longer with the increased sales of A4000's to the TV industry in the US and Canada, that would not have been there without the NewTek VT/Flyer.
Give the new owner(s) a chance to introduce themselves and explain their reason(s) for purchasing A.org and their plans for future changes (IF ANY), that will effect all of us. Let's not show the new owner(s) our worst side before we even know who they are, and if it is Bill P. and company, so what, it could be so much worse. Trust Wayne and his statements that he has turned the reins over to someone who will take good care of this place that we all enjoy and have loved for so many years and hope that it will continue for many more years to come.
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I don't like some of the negative tones in some of these replies, nor the sarcastic, or the mocking that some of the messages might be taken for. Let's not put down the new owner before he/she/they are even introduced.
I also guessed that it was DiscreetFX long ago (maybe first), but I am not so sure anymore, but if it is, why start assuming negative things about Amiga.org becoming nothing more than a site to promote the Video Toaster products, or put down the positive impact that the NewTek Video Toaster/Flyer had for the Amiga?
Yes, I agree that the VT/Flyer had little to no effect on EU Amiga users, but it probably kept Commodore alive a few months longer with the increased sales of A4000's to the TV industry in the US and Canada, that would not have been there without the NewTek VT/Flyer.
Give the new owner(s) a chance to introduce themselves and explain their reason(s) for purchasing A.org and their plans for future changes (IF ANY), that will effect all of us. Let's not show the new owner(s) our worst side before we even know who they are, and if it is Bill P. and company, so what, it could be so much worse. Trust Wayne and his statements that he has turned the reins over to someone who will take good care of this place that we all enjoy and have loved for so many years and hope that it will continue for many more years to come.
Dont tell me you`re the new owner.
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This is (quite possibly) OT, but here we go:
The problem I have with DiscreetFX (be they the new amiga.org owner or not) is that they seem to live in some distant parallel universe where VT (and a lot of other antique) still is relevant. Sure it was quite groundbreaking at its time, but surely we can't just ignore the fact that it's 2009 now? Things have moved on.
Also DiscreetFX's lack of understanding on portability issues alone begs to question their professionalism. You just can't take highly specialized early 90s 68k assembler code (with some hw banging, too) and make it portable overnight. Adding a bounty on it (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47458) won't make it any more plausible.
Toaster Character Generator is just plain horrible assembler code hell. Just for the excrement and giggles I took a look, and ran away screaming:
$ find ToasterCG -iname "*.i" -o -iname "*.a" | xargs wc | tail -1
83768 245689 2030809 total
Rewrite tens of thousands of lines of 68k assembler to portable C? Thanks, but no thanks.
And finally I find the way of DiscreetFX posting "news" (http://www.amiga.org/forums/search.php?searchid=808963) quite annoying.
PS. I know I'm going to get a beating for saying all this aloud, but I felt I had to let it out.
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@Piru
Careful when you talk about your new owners....
(http://www.yahoofreak.com/animated%20emoticons/Christmas%20Animated%20Emoticons/christmas%20tree.gif)
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@Piru
I really respect the hard work you have put into MorphOS. One quick question though, have you ever used the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer? I agree porting the code may be hard but it was and still is a great system for what it is. A classic way to edit and do video switching on AmigaOS. If you ever get a chance use one, you might be surprised how cool it is and it sold a ton of Amiga's in the USA and kept NewTek alive. Thanks for your perspective on this. Your a great programmer and your opinion, whether people like it or not has value.
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@Piru
have you ever used the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer?
No
I very well know what it does and how, and I am specifically aware of the limitations. It no way matches the modern hw and sw, not ever remotely.
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I don't like some of the negative tones in some of these replies, nor the sarcastic, or the mocking that some of the messages might be taken for.
Whoever bought amiga.org deserves all the spanking he can get for making a soap opera out of it ("we'll reveal our identity in seven days").
If it is indeed DiscreetFX, he freed up USD 7000 of his (and his investor's) money on Friday by cancelling the AmiZilla bounty - blaming parts of the community for that move - and then used a (probably) similar amount to buy amiga.org on Saturday. That does look bad, I'm not surprised there's so much negativity around.
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Wow, this thread certainly has taken a weird turn. Not knowing who the new owners are, just wanted to say a heartfelt 'thanks' to Wayne for maintaining and putting up with us all. Looking forward, let's not forget what this community is mostly about though: old skool (I really do hate that phrase, just trying to relate to some of the younger crowd) Commodore Amiga enthusiasts that like to talk about, purchase and configure original hardware. I hope the new owners respect this and in someway, continue to support said community of legacy computing users. There *is* animosity here that I do not see in other classic gaming or computer related forums and I know we can sometimes get on each others nerves from time to time (I know I can be good at this very thing), but for the sake of the transition, can we put some of it aside for a little bit? Don't want to scare off the nubiles... lol
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I'm routing for ,His Holiness, the Great Spaghetti Monster!
Blessed art thou touched by His Noodly Appendage brother. May amiga.org be so blessed.
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@Piru
I never said it matched today's solutions, it is what it is. The only way to do video switching and non-linear video editing on a Amiga unless you have a Draco. Draco is cool too but it does not do real-time effects and switching. If you price video switchers you will find they are quite costly.
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Unfortunately it seems this way.
BTW curious thing the aw.net fallout. MobbyG leaving (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5159&start=140#69286) and all that. Must be a coincidence, surely.
We will see what will become of amiga.org.
I am still puzzled by this. I don't think he was vilified. MobbyG has every right to his opinion of course.
I was even more puzzled by the press release that started that thread. I'm not sure if it could have been written any worse than it was. It was bound to cause an uproar as written. And I don't think it takes a genius to see that. Now one may argue that a person should not have to take the community's shortcomings into account when writing something like that. But even if you grant that, there is still the reality to deal with that writing stuff like that is going to get people talking, get them asking questions, and even disagreeing with you!
Whoever the new owner is here, I wish them the best of luck.
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On a personal note, I don't care who the new owner of A.org is or why it's such a secret - we'll all know soon enough so why worry?
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I thought Amiga.org would of been the best place to announce the new ownership...
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Unfortunately it seems this way.
BTW curious thing the aw.net fallout. MobbyG leaving (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5159&start=140#69286) and all that. Must be a coincidence, surely.
We will see what will become of amiga.org.
I cannot speak for MobbyG on this but as a contributor to the show... hell I guess Rich and I started it so to speak.. I have been staying out of this drama as best I can to be honest. (I always figured that I would be the first person to get us heat.) I would like to assure you that to the best of my knowledge what happened over on the other site, and the new owner announcement show is completely unrelated.
In fact the, at the time, prospective buyer, contacted me via PM on this site back in October I think. Their identity was unknown to us all via the account that sent the PM and still is. I mean we all chatted back and forth with guesses from everything from Bill to John C. Dvorak of all people. Who the hell knows. I really just hope that by the end of the recording this Sunday, I don't walk away feeling like more of a pawn that I already do now.
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In fact the, at the time, prospective buyer, contacted me via PM on this site back in October I think. Their identity was unknown to us all via the account that sent the PM and still is. I mean we all chatted back and forth with guesses from everything from Bill to John C. Dvorak of all people. Who the hell knows. I really just hope that by the end of the recording this Sunday, I don't walk away feeling like more of a pawn that I already do now.
You guys have at least verified with Wayne that that account really is the new owner though right?
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You guys have at least verified with Wayne that that account really is the new owner though right?
You are kidding, right?
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You are kidding, right?
Normally I would not ask such, just assuming someone would verify that first. But stranger things have happened in the Amiga community unfortunately.
But I'll take that as you have verfied. Cool. If it is Bill though that will be kind of funny, since he is a part of the show already. lol
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Normally I would not ask such, just assuming someone would verify that first. But stranger things have happened in the Amiga community unfortunately.
But I'll take that as you have verfied. Cool. If it is Bill though that will be kind of funny, since he is a part of the show already. lol
I hear ya.
Oh and gosh..it was actually on the first week of September. I vetted the account with Wayne shortly thereafter.
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PS. I know I'm going to get a beating for saying all this aloud, but I felt I had to let it out.
And we're a better forum for it, thanks
Plaz
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Sorry to be a party pooper but... the new boss of Amiga.org is none other than... [8-bit drum roll]...
... dun dun dah...
Mehdi Ali
http://www.unitechelectronics.com/medhiAli.jpg
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Bill McEwen
Bill Buck
Bill P
I'm hoping it's just a coincidence! :nervous:
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Sorry to be a party pooper but... the new boss of Amiga.org is none other than... [8-bit drum roll]...
... dun dun dah...
Mehdi Ali
http://www.unitechelectronics.com/medhiAli.jpg
Frak!
Yeah, as Sean said, we have been kind of kicking it around as to who the new owner is. I have a theory the owner is in Europe. Just by replies sent to us in PM and the grammar and such. Not sure how right I am but I'll find out Sunday.
As will all of you... *DRAMATIC ORGAN MUSIC*
(Sorry.. I was watching Cat in The Hat last night)
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bill mcewen
bill buck
bill p
i'm hoping it's just a coincidence! :nervous:
rotflmao!
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@Piru, (Edit2: I respect your opinions and your right to have such opinions, but do not totally agree with them.)
Reasons deleted as they are off topic.
@Thread, Has anyone considered that the buyer could be AmigaKit, or Individual Computers, or a partnership of both of them?
Edit: Nah, Jens would not have anything to do with the nuts around this place. Who ever the buyer is, they must have some reason for spending the money to get it, and probably a plan, or hope to get some of that money back from the members here, or advertising revenue from the site, but that is a hard task, as Wayne himself claimed that there was very little income from ads on Amiga.org.
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Whoever bought Amiga.org, good luck!
I dont care who you are because if you spent 10K USD on buying Amiga.org then, you sure do like Amigas, and at the end, thats all that counts to me! :)
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Well this year has brought a lot of good news to the land of Amiga, mainly the end of the Amiga Inc. drama, and there really isn't anything standing in the way of AmigaOS anymore. (cep maybe the passage of time hehe)
Who knows, maybe some form of 'consolidation' is underway, I dunno. Maybe trying to recover all the shards of once was Amiga and reassembling them. (yea I know, pipedream lol). But hey, if Google can convince people Chrome is a good idea, then there is a lot of hope for Amiga too hehe.
But then again I though BeOS should have done better than it did, so what do I know? :afro:
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I suspect that video production, both amateur and professional, was one of the few things keeping Commodore going in the early nineties. (Anyone who's read the various hindsight views of Commodore, please chime in.) I recall telling Wil Wheaton circa 1994 that I no longer used my Amiga and didn't have a Video Toaster, and his reponse being that an Amiga wasn't good for much without one. He was pushing the VT4000, LightWave 3D, and the Screamer (R.I.P.) at the time, but his answer was true nonetheless. (I really wanted to talk to Kiki, but my girlfriend at the time had a crush on Wil, so Wil it was. He had a nose ring then, which I suspect was code for, "See! I'm not Wesley Crusher. Really.")
EDIT: Have to append this funny annecdote. The girlfriend had had a crush on Wil since Stand By Me. She and I were both pretty goth in those days, and Wil had goth tendencies. She was standing in a corner watching a Toaster-based Terminator 2 demo of some sort when Wil walked over to chat her up. She brushed him off and gave me the "oh, please" look, not recognizing him, and started turning away. Someone then approached Wil with another fellow saying, "Let me introduce you to Wil." I have never seen a more vivid transition from shock to disbelief to grief in my life. Classic. Things settled once she realized that Wil was just as much of a geek as the rest of us. It's fifteen year later, she and I are still friends, and we still laugh over that incident.
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Is it McBill?
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The new owner of Amiga.org has asked to reveal his identity on Amiga Roundtable! We are not only honored but we’re excited to do it! Tune in to our live show November 29th, 2009 at 11am Eastern Time (15:00 GMT) on Ustream! Submit your questions in the comments of the announcement on the AmiZed Studios website!
Stream Link: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amiga-roundtable (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/amiga-roundtable)
Announcement Link: http://www.amigaz.org/2009/11/23/art-episode-45-new-amiga-org-owner/ (http://www.amigaz.org/2009/11/23/art-episode-45-new-amiga-org-owner/)
The new owner(s) haven’t told us who he/she is yet, so it’s going to be a surprise to us as well as you. And they have been good at hiding any clue to their identity. Either way, it should be an awesome show! So submit your question now!
Hi,
Oh! the new owner is going to announce who he is on the Amiga roundtable. This sounds a little square to me.
Submit your comments on questions -- Why?
Why did you buy it?
Are you sane man? Buying a website full of us loonies?
Awesome show --- ZZZ zzz ZZZ zzz ZZZ, logs sawing
$10,000 ---OK! Just goes to show you can sell anything this day and age.
To the new owner
Welcome to Amiga.org
smerf
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Frak!
Yeah, as Sean said, we have been kind of kicking it around as to who the new owner is. I have a theory the owner is in Europe. Just by replies sent to us in PM and the grammar and such. Not sure how right I am but I'll find out Sunday.
As will all of you... *DRAMATIC ORGAN MUSIC*
(Sorry.. I was watching Cat in The Hat last night)
If your theory is correct it does not sound like Bill P.
With that in mind is there any reason why Bill P. will not just deny it already if it is not him? He dropped a hint iirc as if he at least knows more than you other guys from the show do.
I hope this is not another prank like in the last episode about having info on Hyperion's project.
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You are in fact incorrect. I dropped no hint anywhere. DiscreetFX does not comment on rumors and speculation.
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I still maintain its Red!, why else would Red get rid of his store? he needed the cash for the site. This way he doesn't have to deal with Crazy customers, just the occasional banning here :)
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I know it's a virtual impossibility around here, and this has been really fun to read, but please stop jumping to conclusions? You may be wrong, you may be right. Only time (and the new owner(s)) will tell.
As for why wait, I don't want to speak for the owner(s) but Roundtable asked me -- before anyone else -- if they could get the first interview, and I made a commitment to give them the scoop, because they were so understanding of the fact that I wasn't at liberty to disclose anything.
The only rumor I'm willing to unflinchingly support (out of sheer boredom) is that it is indeed Doomy. ROFL.. No, not really, but that would be hilarious.. It's also not Spanish lesbians, though I do truly agree I could probably have gotten more money for the domain. :)
Suffice to say that none of you -- or all of you -- know everything you need to know for now, save for the fact that everything will be fine.
Wayne
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You are in fact incorrect. I dropped no hint anywhere. DiscreetFX does not comment on rumors and speculation.
Actually you have commented on rumors you've wished to debunk quite a bit. I'm confused why you would not just debunk this one if untrue as well?
Here is what I took as a hint:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5159&start=80#69171
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Actually you have commented on rumors you've wished to debunk quite a bit. I'm confused why you would not just debunk this one if untrue as well?
Here is what I took as a hint:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5159&start=80#69171
You are the only one I see mentioning Amiga.org at that link.
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Well forgive me, but saying:
"We made the mistake of showing him all the relevant good and bad Amiga community websites a few months ago for reasons that will become crystal clear very soon."
certainly sounds to me as if you know more about things related to Amiga websites than others from the show. And your show is very soon.
It certainly sounds like a statement looking for interest and wondering what it might mean at the least. I may have misinterpreted the hint, but it still reads like a hint of something to me.
Again, you say you don't address rumors, but you have to some.
You also seem ok with the current rumor that you are the buyer or at least part buyer to stay ongoing. And the statement I quote certainly seems to be looking to attract some interest.
Like I said before, I sure hope this is not something like the prank pulled in the last show, where the big reveal about Hyperion's project was "its being done on earth!".
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generally I like discreetfx and their attitude against amiga users.
but, having another 'bill' come in charge of something related to amiga gives me the creeps :(
just kidding bill, I hope you'll do fine !
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thanks wayne and thanks for running this web site it was one steady thing in ever changing world for me .
as for other things l feel just because l own a motorbike doesint mean l agree or have to be same as another motorcyclist.
just we like same thing, eg l like amiga but we can have are own opinions and thoughts but is better to postive am sure everone logs on here wants amiga platform to survive
l going become a dad and got fired from my job of 13 years so been funny last 6 months
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The new owner is....
Anonymous Former Netscape Executive!!
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its aPEX
a1k.org taking over amiga.org
:D:D:D
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As for why wait, I don't want to speak for the owner(s) but Roundtable asked me -- before anyone else -- if they could get the first interview, and I made a commitment to give them the scoop, because they were so understanding of the fact that I wasn't at liberty to disclose anything....
Still want to come on? We can pre-record before Sunday and then we can play the interview on Sunday's show.
It's up to you. PM me or email me and we can set it up if you want to do it.
I've narrowed it down. I think it's Fabio. I know.. I was surprised too.
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l going become a dad and got fired from my job of 13 years so been funny last 6 months
I really hope things work out for you. Being unemployed sucks.
Wayne
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Shouldn't that be 16:00 GMT ?
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Shouldn't that be 16:00 GMT ?
I think so too, it´s dead quiet - they are "off air" and I took off early from an other appointment I had to watch a slideshow...
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I think so too, it´s dead quiet - they are "off air" and I took off early from an other appointment I had to watch a slideshow...
I have 9:23 am CST (GMT -6)
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its on at 16.00 GMT (i think).
less than half hour to go :-)
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Cancelled!!!
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lmao ... what an anti-climax
come out and play mr a.org owner ... the weather's lovely :)
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Thanks to Joe Torre and Wayne for coming on the show and saving the train wreck..
I am NOT a happy camper...
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I guess the new owner is a bit shy.
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...or maybe someone was having a bit of fun at Amiga Roundtable's expense!
HALLO I AM ANONYMOUS NEW AMIGAORG OWNER
THE SUM OF $99,2342,525USD IS WAITING FOR YOU
PLEASE RESPOND
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With warm hearts I offer my friendship, and my greetings, and I hope this letter meets you in good time. It will be surprising to you to receive this proposal from me since you do not know me personally. However, I am sincerely seeking your confidence in this transaction, which I propose with my free mind and as a person of integrity. My name is Jacob Kamala the son of Mr. A.Y Kamala, a farmer from Zimbabwe, murdered in the land dispute in my country. As led by my instinct, I decided to contact you through email…
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...or maybe someone was having a bit of fun at Amiga Roundtable's expense!
HALLO I AM ANONYMOUS NEW AMIGAORG OWNER
THE SUM OF $99,2342,525USD IS WAITING FOR YOU
PLEASE RESPOND
uh! from Nigeria?
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Will The Real Amiga.org Owner Please Stand Up?
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LOL
These kind of stuff only happens in the Amiga world....
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LOL
These kind of stuff only happens in the Amiga world....
Not really, but we like to think we're "special". The world already sees us as being special, but in a short-bus kinda way.
Wayne
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We're special f'r sure, sir! :lol:
But still this a kinda like everything Amiga - anyway, don't think it'll take another five years to reveal the new chief, will it?
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Thanks to Joe Torre and Wayne for coming on the show and saving the train wreck..
I am NOT a happy camper...
I'd like to believe you MobbyG. But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not. You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net. And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect: Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.
Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what? I like Amiga.org, its a very cool site, but in the grand scheme of things its "only" a vintage computer system forum board. Hardly state secret material.
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Will The Real Amiga.org Owner Please Stand Up?
...and hold one of those fingers on each hand up.....
Oh wait, he sort of just did that! What a waste of everyone's time.
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I'd like to believe you MobbyG. But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not. You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net. And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect: Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.
Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what? I like Amiga.org, its a very cool site, but in the grand scheme of things its "only" a vintage computer system forum board. Hardly state secret material.
Yeah.. Here it is... I'm pissed and if you don't believe me.. tough! Deal with it.
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DANG DANG DANG IT!!!!!
I jumped on for all of a minute to hear there was a "train wreck" on the show but had to take the wife to the air port!!!!
What happened?!?!?!
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Yeah.. Here it is... I'm pissed and if you don't believe me.. tough! Deal with it.
I'll "deal with it" just fine MobbyG. Like I said, I'd like to believe you. Its just damn peculiar given the series of events. This type of stuff happens in the world of Amiga way too often as it is. Bottom line, its sad this was another instance of nonsense.
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I'd like to believe you MobbyG. But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not. You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net. And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect: Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.
Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what?
Allow me to step in here. This is not MobbyG's issue, well, I guess it is, but it's by NO means his fault, nor did he have anything to do with the things that went down today. He provides a GREAT service to the community and under no circumstance should anyone be upset with him in ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM.
Back in August, as I announced the sale of Amiga.org, I was contacted by the Amiga Roundtable folks to whom I responded that "I could not disclose the info, but would be happy to let you guys use your program to announce it when possible".
I then contacted the new owner(s) and suggested that "since they were nice enough to ask, I think we should give them the scoop".
It wasn't until AFTER the broadcast started this morning that either myself, or Bill P (who will be serving as the site's admin) knew anything about the new owner's choice NOT to disclose their identity.
To that end, let me say this...
I KNOW this is frustrating for you all. I UNDERSTAND how everyone in this community feels they have a vested interest, hence some inate "right" to know everything. I'm not going to sit here and tell you otherwise, but...
None of you have heard me disclose the owner(s) name(s) to date. I'm contractually obligated not to at this point, and would never violate that trust.
While there would have been much better ways to handle today's situation, if the new owner(s) want their identity to remain private, then I -- and even moreso, we all -- have to respect that.
Now that we've had the round-table (such as it was), I can assure each of you of several facts in this situation;
- First and foremost, the proverbial check has cleared. This is a done deal as far as I'm concerned and agreements have been finalized. I'm just waiting for the domain transfer request to take my name off of it.
- Bill P is *not* the owner. He is, quite simply, a middle man in this endeavor, and is now responsible for facilitating the web site's day-to-day operation. If this were a corporation, you could think of Bill P as the CTO (Chief Technology Officer)
- Neither Bill McEwen, Bill Buck, nor Doomy (aka George Campbell) are involved.
- Things should not change around here for the foreseeable future, save that I believe Bill P is much more in-tune, energetic, and enthusiastic about the Amiga and the community than I am, so I think things will improve from here on out.
- No admins or moderators (save for BillP) should change.
- There is the potential to upgrade the site to the new 4.0 software level which essentially rolls everything I've added on into the core of the site.
- I have made two suggestions to Bill P and the new owner(s), the first is to develop a backwards compatible theme (if possible -- though doubtful it is) and to consider giving away free hosting to all Amiga projects, events, and user groups through the use of subdomains, such as we do for the UGN.
All this being said or given -- and if you take me at my word -- the owner's identity will come to light eventually. Until then, does it really, really matter?
Wayne
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What exactly has happened?
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moto
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What exactly has happened?
In a nutshell, the new owner(s) decided, for reasons unbeknownst to me at the very last minute, not to reveal their identity, leaving MobbyG holding the bag with 30 or so pissed off Amiga users on his program.
We let Mobby have a few minutes of well deserved rant, then Joe, Bill P, and I were able to jump on and (hopefully) make everyone a little happier.
I personally would like to apologize for the situation and thank MobbyG for both a great, and valuable service to the community. I wish I could have changed things, but I do have confidence that things will be just fine if we all just resume the enjoyment of our Amigas and pay no attention to the men behind the green curtain.
Wayne
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- Bill P is *not* the owner. He is, quite simply, a middle man in this endeavor, and is now responsible for facilitating the web site's day-to-day operation. If this were a corporation, you could think of Bill P as the CTO (Chief Technology Officer)
By all means and purposes he actually is the "owner". All we know the owner could be some former executive or the santa claus (or frigment of his imagination). Bill Panagouleas will be calling the shots.
I don't think I feel very comfortable about the idea.
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Deleted - Piru said it better.
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Wtf?
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I don't think I feel very comfortable about the idea.
It's undoubtable that some people will have their own problems with the situation for whatever unfathomable reasons they come up with. Especially where the Amiga community is concerned, but frankly speaking, neither you, nor anyone else, can say what will happen in the future, or indeed whether or not anything at all will change.
Until something that actually matters DOES happen, this is all just much ado about nothing, which makes it absolutely no different than anything else that happens -- or more to the point, doesn't happen -- these days.
It boils down to a simple thing. The new owner(s) were essentially talked into going on the Roundtable by Bill and I, then changed their minds -- for whatever reason -- at the last minute. Again, not a big deal, but admittedly could have been handled better, if for no other reason than to save MobbyG the headache.
All I'm asking is that everyone just chill out and relax (I refuse to say "chillax") until there's an actual honest-to-God reason to "be uncomfortable" about.
Wayne
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All this being said or given -- and if you take me at my word -- the owner's identity will come to light eventually. Until then, does it really, really matter?
It only mattered once it was announced that it would be told today. That announcement sought to include us. It sought to build hype as well. Thats gotten seriously old in the Amiga community in general.
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It only mattered once it was announced that it would be told today. That announcement sought to include us. It sought to build hype as well. Thats gotten seriously old in the Amiga community in general.
No disagreements there. I just thought your anger was a bit displaced when pointed at Rich, who did a fantastic job of it all.
Wayne
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Who cares, TBH? Wayne got paid for his years of service and the site is still active. What more could you possibly want? A name is just that, a name.
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Two more weeks...™
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No disagreements there. I just thought your anger was a bit displaced when pointed at Rich, who did a fantastic job of it all.
I'm not angry Wayne. I'm just speaking my mind. Given the other stuff that went on with the show its sadly not surprising this happened. Certainly he approved advertising info about the Hyperion project being show content when it was really a gag the week before, etc. He quits Amigaworld.net in a big display when his co-host is the new admin of this site in the lead up to advertising of this show.
And why did his co-host, the middle man of this deal as you put it, why did he let this happen after all the fanfare advertising this?
It just an unecessary circus in my mind. I've got way bigger concerns in my life to be "angry" about this though.
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On schedule and rocking™
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Lol ! Got to laugh, this outcome was noooooo surprise at all. It almost would have felt wierd if it would actually had went along plan and someone had stood up and told right out who they (owners) where.
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This is ridiculous........
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Its soooooooooooooo funny ! I've been a member here as far as I can remember (Almost), daily I check for the "Return of the Rock Lobster"...even holding onto a PPC 233 just in case something wonder is going to happen and we can't get the dude who has bought this most venerable of amiga sites to come out of closet to say Hi, what chance is there anyone "Outside" to believe, this forum, its members and the amiga and/or the life after for the amiga needs and will be taken seriously in future.
All I will say to them whomever they maybe "Poor Show Old Chap" !!!! Being Late is never a good start to a good friendship !!!!!!!!!!!
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I dont really care but off course I am curious.
I mean, this is not like the Most Ambitious Project (which IMHO will break or make it for next-gen Amiga commercial success), it is only the owner of the biggest Amiga-related community on the net.
So because I think it is no big deal makes it even more interesting why someone would become scared and afraid of telling someone else he ownes amiga.org?
Mr Wayne of amiga.org, could you perhaps ask this very scared man/alien/human-entity why he/she/it is so afraid of saying hi. It is not like he has to go public with his real name, he can such as I just register himself on the forum name himself "voodoo3" for example and post a simple "Hello Amiga users of the world, Toas... -sorry- .. Amiga f"n roxxors".
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Thanks again Wayne for coming on and saving the show. And I appreciate your kind words...
@interwebs
Here's the raw audio...
http://www.amigaz.org/2009/11/29/art-raw-audio/
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I'm not angry Wayne. I'm just speaking my mind. Given the other stuff that went on with the show its sadly not surprising this happened. Certainly he approved advertising info about the Hyperion project being show content when it was really a gag the week before, etc. He quits Amigaworld.net in a big display when his co-host is the new admin of this site in the lead up to advertising of this show.
And why did his co-host, the middle man of this deal as you put it, why did he let this happen after all the fanfare advertising this?
It just an unecessary circus in my mind. I've got way bigger concerns in my life to be "angry" about this though.
Thank God ffastback. I am very glad to hear you are not "angry" about this.
Sometimes you just have to put down your guard and realize that not everything is a conspiracy. Your recent commentary about our show leads me to think that you have a podcast up your sleeve perhaps.. and boy that would be great. In fact I welcome anyone to do what Rich does and start your own podcast.. yeah kids..come on!
Try to do your part in adding something creative to our small amiga community and get picked apart. Yes you too can spend a large bit of your free time and spare cash putting effort into something and then become famous as the next victim that gets raked over the coals from a few in our community that have nothing better to do. Oh its a blast! Oh the pirks are great kids. Yes you could even be accused of doing something fishy regarding a third party business arrangement in which you have nothing possible to gain.. but hey it means more popcorn for everyone! Yahoo! Climb aboard! :)
ffastback I really don't know what your motives are - but I got to tell you..you are quickly becoming once of the most ponderous guys in our community that I have ever come across.
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By all means and purposes he actually is the "owner". All we know the owner could be some former executive or the santa claus (or frigment of his imagination). Bill Panagouleas will be calling the shots.
I don't think I feel very comfortable about the idea.
are you saying Wayne is lying???
I really think that is unfair.
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hmmm...BBRV (Bill Buck & Rachel Velasco) ??? No ?
"PLEASE TRY AGAIN LATER..." ;-)
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As long as the site stays as is and the people within, i ain't to bothered who owns it.
Great podcast today, first time i had the chance to actualy hang out in the channel and see/hear it live.
Under the circumstances "the new owner being errr.. alittle shy" i thought it went great, nice lineup of guests.
Keep it up Rich and Co. ;)
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oh well, there goes Amiga.org
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This reminds me of the time that guy said the Boxer was coming...
This reminds me of the time the Walker was coming...
This reminds me of the time that guy said there would be an MMC(Magical Mystery Computer)...
This reminds me of the time OS4 would be done in 2 more weeks...
This reminds me of the time they said I could plug my A1200 MB into the new A1 motherboard...
This reminds me of the time that Amiga OS5 was suppose to be better that OS X....
This reminds me of the time I was suppose to be able to buy a Dragon...
This reminds me of the time Merlancia said....ANYTHING....
In other news, Amigans bend over and touch their toes for yet another dude they never met.
Amiga, "The Glory Hole of the Internet!!"
Amiga, "Put Your Self In Our Glory Hole!"
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Many need to get a grip -- this is not a catastropic incident. Amiga[TM] is on the rebound, which is what really matters IMO.
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Sometimes you just have to put down your guard and realize that not everything is a conspiracy.
Not saying its a conspiracy. Its just weird stuff lately that wastes people's time. The show hyped info about Hyperion's project it did not have recently. It now hyped this, and one of the hosts of the show was middleman in the deal to get the site.
This is Bill P.'s 2nd Mr. Anonymous. And he is a host on your show.
Your recent commentary about our show leads me to think that you have a podcast up your sleeve perhaps..
Uh, let me answer with your own words: "put down your guard and realize that not everything is a conspiracy". No I am not.
ffastback I really don't know what your motives are - but I got to tell you..you are quickly becoming once of the most ponderous guys in our community that I have ever come across.
My "motive"? I'm simply speaking my mind, nothing odd about that on a forum. You are welcome to your opinion about me just as I am entitled to mine about recent behavior from some of the hosts.
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I have been assigned the task of Site Admin so I will work hard to earn everyone's trust. I can understand how some can get jaded in this community. It's been a long road to travel since Commodore's death in 1994. We have a great moderation team in place and Amiga.org has a great legacy that must be preserved for the Amiga community and it's offshoots. Please give us a chance to do the best we can and prove ourselves. There are also other great Amiga sites, and it takes a team of sites to rebuild this exciting community.
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I have been assigned the task of Site Admin
By whom?
;-)
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are you saying Wayne is lying?
Are you saying I am?
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I have been assigned the task of Site Admin so I will work hard to earn everyone's trust.
Good. You can start by naming the new owner.
That'd be a good start in earning our trust.
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I think I can understand why the new owner(s) would want to keep their identity a secret. Having read through this thread, if I had bought Amiga.org, I wouldn't want to say anything. Regardless of who it is, it seems there are a bunch of people who have already decided that this person is the devil, hell-bent on ruining all of lives. Even if the owner(s) posted a simple "hello" anonymously as "TheNewOwner", they would be flooded with replies accusing them all sorts of atrocities. Personally, I'd rather stay completely silent for a year or so trying to win the users' trust first. I'd let people get used to me, show them that their fears were unwarrented, and try to make things better. Then, if people were generally happy, I'd pop in and say, "Hi! BTW, I'm the new owner. I'm glad you're mostly happy with the way things are running around here." However, truthfully, if that really annoying vocal minority were still being just as "vocal", I'd probably never tell people who I was. I would live knowing that I'd never be able to satisfy those idiots and just be content with the knowledge that most people are happy without having to put myself through the needless headache of the constant harassment.
Seriously, I think the most amazing thing about the Amiga is that there are still developers, retailers, and web admins willing to put up with this constant bickering and harassment. Give it a rest people!
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Good. You can start by naming the new owner.
That'd be a good start in earning our trust.
If and when the new owner(s) decide(s) to come forward, you'll have the name.
I'm betting that the negative comments of some is simple resistance to any change, but the Web site was sold, the owner(s) and Bill have been in play for at least 2 weeks now, and nothing's changed whatsoever... Right?
Until then, I've explained repeatedly that nothing changes, and that neither Buck, McEwen, or Doomy are involved, so PLEASE feel free to explain here and now, why any of you might have any complaint whatsoever?
If you will do that, in a non-bitchy, non hostile manner, perhaps there is something we can discuss to help calm your nerves? Of course, just like every time I change a font, or a menu location, there are always some people who -- no matter what -- won't be happy about anything. I was once married to someone like that, so I'm familiar with the type.
Considering how much some of you overreact to such trivial things, I
honestly had the thought today of wondering which amongst you has already done a godaddy search for another mutinous exile...?
:lol:
Seriously guys, it will be ok. Stop freaking out over something that frankly doesn't matter. If anything, things will be better as you won't have me around to blame things on.
The site you see before you is true. The facts are also true. Only the names have changed to protect the innocent..
Wayne
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If you will do that, in a non-bitchy, non hostile manner, perhaps there is something we can discuss to help calm your nerves?
I guess the question is, "Why not tell us?" I mean do we really need more secrets around this community? As always, secrets and non-disclosure are a large part of why this community is so torn apart and why so many people are gone.
I mean it's such a non-trivial thing so why all the games? Seems like they are trying to use the old "Streisand Effect". So it naturally draws some suspicion.
And, of course while no one forces us to use this site, there is a certain amount of "our" personal information this person has purchased so it would be nice to know who is in control of it now.
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@Wayne, I'll bet you are really glad to have sold this looney farm and can walk away from it now, or in the near future (but I hope you won't).
I am just as disappointed that the new owner(s) have decided to wait longer to reveal themselves to us (well maybe almost as disappointed as some), but there are a few here that are trying to blow this way out of proportion. I would have to agree with the few members that I have not seen post here too often, but have taken the time to come out and call the vocal minority on the carpet for making this bad situation so much worse than it should be. This vocal minority acts like they have a right to know and probably a right to tell the new owners how to run this site as well.
I am afraid that this vocal minority is going to do far more damage to this site than the new owners might ever do. I certainly think that all the bitching about the fact that the owner(s) changed their minds and did not reveal themselves has wasted ten times the bandwidth than the fact itself.
I am sorry that some have a dislike or problem with the fact that Bill P. is the new administrator of this site. I think he may do a fine job here and look forward to the future of Amiga.org and hope that everyone will give the new owner(s) and Bill P., as well as all of the former moderators who are staying a chance to show that Amiga.org is still the best Amiga focused website anywhere on the planet. If he does a crappy job and screws up my favorite Amiga website I will be one of the first to join the vocal minority in the bitch party, but until that time, I will give him and the owner(s) the benefit of the doubt and let their actions here speak louder than all the bitching that is going on just because we don't know their names and don't like that they changed their mind(s) at the last moment about telling us who they are.
As others have pointed out, it is us, the members of A.org that make 90% of the contributions to what makes this site great, so as long as we, the members are still here, this site should be just as great as it ever has been.
Go ahead and flame me now, but I wish everyone could just calm down. This does not have to be such a dramatic change for any of us.
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After reading everyones posts I can't shake the question: What if their was never an announcment about the trade of ownership?
I mean seariously, why is it such a hangup that we don't know the owner? As Wayne said, nothing has changed on the site and if the new owners were thinking of doing drastic and insideous things to it, members have voiced their opinions well enough to curb any of that.
The last time I checked, I came to this site because we are all, in one shape or another, freinds. So can't we all just take a deap breath, count to ten and relax?
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So...
Once the domain is transferred to the new owner(s),
wouldn't the curious among us simply be able to do a whois?
I'm curious about the new owners myself but I don't see what the fuss is all about, sure, it is odd that the new owner pulled out of an interview at the last minute, but hey, I think by definition all us Amiga owners are a little odd/unconventional...
Maybe the big reveal will be a huge anti climax anyway... It may well be just some boring Joe we've never heard of and unremarkable in any other way...
If I'd had 10k that I wouldn't miss I would have bought it with no ulterior motive other than to preserve Amiga.org... Why does there need to be a conspiracy when the mundane is much more likely?
In short, chillax! :roflmao:
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Until then, does it really, really matter?
Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.
goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
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Hi,
I only joined Amiga org earlier in the year and have found the members to be very useful with information when i needed it.
I hope that this issue doesnt cause any more members with good knowledge to leave this website.
All we need is closure on this...
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.
goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
+1 Jens !
I'm 'afraid' about that !
It will be great if no informations about us is used for commercial plans. Anyway we can't control that.
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Sooooooooooo, you guys REALLY think Wayne would haphazzardly give everyones info. to some Tom, Dick, or Mary without:
A) knowing the new owner in such a way that he feels absolutly safe in handing over the site/info.
and/or
B) making sure clauses are in plcae that would hold the new owner to the same rules and promises that owner AND users registered under.
Seriously, why is there little to no trust all of the sudden? Where is this paranoia coming from?
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I think I can understand why the new owner(s) would want to keep their identity a secret. Having read through this thread, if I had bought Amiga.org, I wouldn't want to say anything.
And that was always an option. Instead he/she argeed to give a "scoop" (as Wayne likes to call it) to the show often co-hosted by the middleman to the deal and new site admin. And it was decided to advertise the time and place of that public show well in advance.
As a member of the general Amiga community I did not ask for the identity. What I think is not good here is yet another circus-like situation from yet another failed announcement of an announcement that wastes people's time after the people making the announcement themselves are who worked to make folks interested.
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.
goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
Hi Jens
Please stay, as the Site Admin I can assure you that everyone's personal information on Amiga.org is secure. All members privacy is respected and kept safe. If you still want your account removed I will respect that request and do it at the end of the week.
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Have we lost Jens and possibly VingtTrois as valued members of the community? Has the rot started over all this hype, rumors and failed appearences by the new owner of A.org? Are we staring at the abyss? Admin can say 'your info is safe' but ..?
Answers please ... anonymity or not, I believe we deserve nothing less than to know who it is that owns this place now or I fear more will depart.
Step up to the plate new A.org owner, show us who you are!
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Have we lost Jens and VingTrois as valued members of the community? Has the rot started over all this hype, rumors and failed appearences by the new owner of A.org? Are we staring at the abyss? Admin can say 'your info is safe' but ..?
Answers please ... anonymity or not, I believe we deserve nothing less than to know who it is that owns this place now or I fear more will depart.
Step up to the plate new A.org owner, show us who you are!
No, I'm not "lost", juste in doubt about the future of this website ;-) I'm expecting the name of the great new ower of AMIGA.ORG ...
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No, I'm not "lost
Good ... I was just checking :)
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To the new owner(s) of A.org, do the professional thing and announce yourself as such. I see no benefit to this community of Amiga enthusiast to wait for your disclosing your identities, unless to your own knowledge that it will be received poorly. Already I have seen some negative affects starting to erode at the membership with Jens now requesting to be removed, which he has been a huge asset to this site amongst many others who share their knowledge and expertise with this community and have made A.org what it is. Your call.....
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Hi Jens
Please stay, as the Site Admin I can assure you that everyone's personal information on Amiga.org is secure. All members privacy is respected and kept safe.
You were surprised recently when the anonymous large donor to Amizilla closed that DFX sponsored bounty. Lets hope you are not surprised again by some action of the new anonymous owner of Amiga.org in the future.
At a minimum the new owner has done something very confusing already. And even though you were the middleman on the deal, his site admin, and a co-host of the ART show, you could not convince him to stick with his decision. Ultimately he is the person in charge, and he has already shown he is not afraid to leave you and MobbyG holding the bag, or to do stuff other than what you would want.
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Are you saying I am?
you are making stuff up with no facts. I like a entertaining fiction as much as the next person, but I know the difference between reality and fantasy.
In the post I am referring to you directly questioned Wayne's truthfulness. Frankly I think that is uncalled for.
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I guess the question is, "Why not tell us?" I mean do we really need more secrets around this community?
A fair question and concern. Thank you.
I can't speak for the new owner(s) because I haven't really had the chance to talk to them about it yet. I don't think it's a marketing thing at all because yes, it "forces" you to use the site to find info, but on the other hand, it does so in an extremely negative way which isn't the right way to do things at all.
I absolutely agree that there were better ways to handle yesterday's situation, such as not setting it up that way, but it all worked out pretty well, all things considered.
If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say that Bill and I had completely talked them into the ART announcement thinking it would be the best way to do it. Unfortunately, I think that the new owner(s) are much more private person(s) than that and really don't want to be the center of things or to be a "rock star" in the community.
That I can easily understand, considering how often I've been vilified and strung to a cross in the community. While I happen to have grown into the "rock star" status, it's not for everyone and I've got a feeling that the new owner(s) simply want life as we all know it to continue in my absence with someone we can trust (Bill P) not to screw it up at the wheel.
As their reason was explained to me from the beginning, they knew that I as getting out, they had seen what happened to the community in 2000 with the closing of the AWD, and just didn't want me to simply shut it down one random day as Kevin did with the AWD.
The simple truth is that while I love this site and I truly enjoy dealing with everyone here (and truth-to-tell, even get a kick out of all the melodrama), I haven't physically touched an Amiga in 10 years. I sold my 3000UX shortly after the fall of Commodore while I could still get payoff prices for the loan. As I said on ART yesterday, I've never found an Amiga I couldn't crash within about 12 seconds.
As such, while I do this job of keeping the site rolling, you can all understand (hopefully) that there are simply people out there that can do a better job. You guys DESERVE someone who can do that, and when I was approached by the new owner(s) with their idea to have Bill P run the day-to-day, I was elated.
I can't even remotely fathom why anyone would have a problem with Bill P, but I also can't think of anyone FROM this community who can do a better job at supporting the community the way it deserves. Of everyone left in the community, there were only two choices in my mind, the other being Kermit Woodall of NovaDesign, but he's pretty much moved on to real life like I need to.
I firmly believe that while I could have easily gotten more money selling the site to Spanish lesbians, the new owner(s) have exactly the attitude necessary to run this site, and the fact that they want to remain "in the shadows" tells me that they're far more serious about it and much less concerned about being a "rock star", which is -- in my mind -- utterly flippin' fantastic.
In the end, all I can ask is that everyone remain calm and just give it a chance. Besides. Ask yourself honestly whether there's anyone in the community (or outside of it) that I could have sold the site to that you wouldn't be immediately critical of, then admit to yourself the answer is really no.
Once you do that, you'll be in a much better mental position to deal with the changeover, and I'll be in a much better position to take my hands off the reigns and start living my pathetic little life. :)
Wayne
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.
goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
Let me assure each of you to two very clear things here.
1) I will not delete any accounts because anyone's in a panic over this. Doing so leads to either orphaned posts or screwed up threads with thousands of responses simply missing.
2) There is absolutely zero information obtainable by anyone, save for your pseudonym (username) and perhaps your e-mail address. No one, including myself, has EVER had access to anything other than that, and in the entire 15 year history of this web site, I've sent out exactly 3 mass mails informing you of changes to the site.
Frankly, in this community, I have a hell of a lot of respect for you Jens. I truly do. Your work for the platform and the community is amazing. I understand everyone's concerns and fears over any change. We're Amiga users and used to being melodramatic, but I was not expecting such a violent knee-jerk reaction to -- again -- something so trivial.
Seriously, the guy a few posts above had it right.
If I had never announced the sale and just did it, would any of you have cared, or even noticed? It's not like I was posting every day and jumping in at every chance to be noticed.
If you truly want to walk away and not use your account, that's entirely your choice.
I'm sincerely hoping you'll (and everyone else will) calm down and realize that life as we know it on this site will continue unabated. Especially since I'll still be around for the foreseeable future to help guide things.
Wayne
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.
goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
why dont you just use a fake/duplicate account like i have! :p
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why dont you just use a fake/duplicate account like i have! :p
In your case, I'll make an exception.
I hope no one takes this seriously as I'd hate to have to start killing accounts en masse and banning the original accounts.
Wayne
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are you still in control then wayne? or am i still banned from using my "hey yo!" catchphrase!
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A fair question and concern. Thank you.
If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say that Bill and I had completely talked them into the ART announcement thinking it would be the best way to do it. Unfortunately, I think that the new owner(s) are much more private person(s) than that and really don't want to be the center of things or to be a "rock star" in the community.
The problem is he or she agreed to the announcement and then bailed last minute. The community did not ask for a show with this event as the highlight. But once it was told it was getting it and told it should tune in, it should have gotten it. Amiga history clearly tells us that hype with no producing what was hyped is bad news.
Since you are not sure if they are singular or plural owners, does this mean you've never spoken to any of them?
Bill does have a history of using buffers. If his account at aw.net ever said anything off he'd say he did not write it but that an employee he had to scold/discipline for it did. He said he ran the money on the Amizilla bounty, but when it was closed, he said he actually did not. I hope that we don't end up in another situation where things are done and then the new site admin blames the new owner. Someone just as faceless as the other above examples.
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The problem is he or she agreed to the announcement and then bailed last minute. The community did not ask for a show with this event as the highlight. But once it was told it was getting it and told it should tune in, it should have gotten it. Amiga history clearly tells us that hype with no producing what was hyped is bad news.
Again, can't argue yesterday. There were better ways to have handled it, including telling Bill and I "no". Unfortunately it is what it is, and your choices are to get over it, or.... well, accept it.
In reference to my missives for their(s) owner(s) and such, I'm simply trying to use language to let you know that I *will not* disclose the owners, nor will I, by use of language, drop hints as to who "they" are. Male or Female, singular or plural, again, doesn't make any difference.
Whether or not you trust my word after 15 years does.
Wayne
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Please stay Jens. I don't know what kind of personal information, other than perhaps an email address and/or website url that you don't want bombarded with spam anyone might have placed here at A.org, that anyone should worry about being in the hands of any new owner(s), but I hardly think that it should be a reason for leaving.
@Thread, I truly believe that this whole mess is going to end in a huge anti-climax and everyone will be yelling about why it was such a big deal NOT to reveal the owner(s) identity(ies).
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but isn't it sort of clear who the new owner(s) is/are? I may be wrong, as I have only my intuition, or common sense to tell me what that obvious answer is and no other evidence or inside information from anyone.
Isn't it likely that the new owner(s) is/are the same company that has recently gotten some criticism, either here or on other Amiga related website forums for advertising practices and then shortly afterward has gotten outright attacked for some unfavorable actions regarding a long running contest? That same company would likely want to wait until the unfavorable attention has been mostly forgotten, or at least has stopped being written about before revealing themselves to be the new owners of Amiga.org and risk the unfavorable attitude regarding the other actions that are unrelated to this site having a negative impact here, and possibly even causing a few more members to leave here.
Personally, I wish a few things had been handled better, that the owner either would have declined to announce themselves on ART in the first place, or had not decided to change their minds and gone through with the announcement, as what ever negative effect they might have perceived could have happened from going through with the announcement on schedule would most likely have not been as bad as their decision to retract their decision to go ahead with their revealing their identity(ies), but that is all water under the bridge now and we can only go forward. Also, if my guess is correct, some other decisions that the company has made could have been handled a little bit better, but nobody is perfect and I have confidence in the company and their enthusiasm for supporting the Amiga community and I think that Wayne has made a good choice in finding a buyer for this site.
Again, I will just state that although I would like to know who the owner(s) are just like most of the rest of the members here, I will continue to put my trust in Wayne and Bill P. and only judge the new owners on what they do here in the future, not on the fact that I don't know their name(s) yet.
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.
goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
IMHO it's not only about access to personal information.
In a community forum like amiga.org, you get to grow lots and lots of relationships with various people. Some you learn to trust, some you learn to distrust. Some you get to like, some you don't like as much. And you have a chance to act accordingly, i.e. all depending on whoever your counterpart is. Like mingling with guests at a party. Some people you don't like and you avoid them, but some people you really like and drag them away to the bar and have a long and pleasant conversation. But *the host* of the entire party is the *site owner*. In a way that is the most important relationship of them all in a community forum. Because if you dislike certain people you know is going to be at a party, you might still want to go there if you also know that you will have some good friends coming there as well. But if you don't like *the party host*, if you dislike his/her/their values, opinions, i.e. what they stand for, chances are that you choose to stay at home or go to someone else's party instead.
I think it's more than fair to let the guests know who's hosting the party. I want to know who I am building a relationship with. I want to know what he/she/they stand for. For example, I would never go to a party hosted by some Neo Nazi, Fascist or some ultra religious zealot. I wouldn't even want to be connected to that stuff in any way. I don't want to invest time, heart and thought into a party that's hosted by someone I might not even like.
Not disclosing this info is more than strange. It's stupid. And pathetic. If you aren't prepared to stand up as the site owner, you shouldn't have taken over the site to begin with.
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I think Wayne's words are pretty clear, he wouldn't sell us out. Whoever he's sold the board to has to be for the good of the board. The fact that he's staying on to assist to the new owner proves that, if any proof was needed.
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you are making stuff up with no facts.
I don't think so. Which stuff did I make up? Obviously I cannot know who the real owner is (and I made some educated guesses), but the fact (as presented us by Wayne himself) is that Bill Panagouleas is "a middle man in this endeavor, and is now responsible for facilitating the web site's day-to-day operation. If this were a corporation, you could think of Bill P as the CTO (Chief Technology Officer)".
By all means and purposes he remains to be the closest thing we have for the "new owner".
In the post I am referring to you directly questioned Wayne's truthfulness.
That certainly wasn't my intention. I think you're reading too much into my comment.
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Isn't it likely that the new owner(s) is/are the same company that has recently gotten some criticism, either here or on other Amiga related website forums for advertising practices and then shortly afterward has gotten outright attacked for some unfavorable actions regarding a long running contest? That same company would likely want to wait until the unfavorable attention has been mostly forgotten, or at least has stopped being written about before revealing themselves to be the new owners of Amiga.org and risk the unfavorable attitude regarding the other actions that are unrelated to this site having a negative impact here, and possibly even causing a few more members to leave here.
Well that would be kind of crappy to announce after we've already been told that DFX's owner was only a middleman to get the deal done.
My guess, and its completely a guess is that Tedd Gallion is the anonymous Amizilla donor and the anonymous new owner of Amiga.org. Now Bill says Tedd is not an employee, but he has posted under Bill's DFX account at aw.net a number of times and someone purporting to be him posts on Moo Bunny and even published an alleged email from Bill telling him to stop posting there. In that case I guess they could still argue Bill is not the new owner, but it would come off as murky IMHO.
So anyway, I hope you and I are both wrong on our guesses.
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This site isn't a party and having any contact with the site owner is very unlikely unless the site owner wants to participate in the forums themselves, which if they are a very private person, is again very unlikely.
As for the new owner(s) views and opinions regarding how the site is to be run, Wayne has repeatedly stated that nothing is going to change and the new owner(s) have expressed that they have no intention of making changes, so until something does change, there is nothing we have to worry about, or to endlessly discuss.
Your party and host analogy only reaffirms the reasons I gave in my previous post why the new owner might not want to disclose their identity(ies). If the new owner(s) have had some recent bad press elsewhere, or here in the forums, they would naturally not want to reveal themselves if more members here feel the way you do about the host/party analogy.
Yes, it is odd and uncomfortable that the new owner has not stepped in and introduced themselves to us the way we would have liked, but that is all it is and I think we should not be making more of it, or try to dissect the reason(s), or motives for such decision is a waste of time. The reason given (being a private person(s) that does not want to be the center of attention) has obviously backfired as the amount of attention and discussion on this topic has become huge. Maybe that is the real reason for not disclosing the identity(ies) of the new owner? To generate more interest, even if it is causing negative attention, it is still attention bordering on sensationalism. I certainly hope that is not the reason though.
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...it is odd and uncomfortable that the new owner has not stepped in and introduced themselves to us the way we would have liked
No its "odd and uncomfortable" that the new owner has not introduced themselves to us in the way they agreed to and bailed at the last minute from doing so. There was never any request from the community that he/she reveal themselves on the ART show.
Either stick to your guns to stay anonymous from the start with no fanfare/circus or just politely introduce yourself without any hype/public promotion vehicles. Whats so hard about that?
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This site isn't a party and having any contact with the site owner is very unlikely unless the site owner wants to participate in the forums themselves, which if they are a very private person, is again very unlikely.
I have been registered here for many years, I have made many posts, and in all those years and in all those posts, I don't think more than one or a few tops was directed at Wayne. Chatting with the site owner is obviously *not* what I was talking about above.
Wayne assured us that the new owners aren't Bill McEwen, Bill Buck, or Doomy. Why do you think he *even felt the need* to make such an "assurance"? So that nobody would feel that they were at risk having to have personal contact with these people? No, of course not, he did so because those are the worst kind of party hosts he himself can imagine, and he can also imagine what would happen to the amiga.org party if it would turn out that those were the new hosts, i.e. he fears that it would have a negative impact on guest attendance. I could easily add a few names who would have the same effect, like MikeyC, MikeB, Ben Hermans, Anonymous former Netscape Employees, etc.
As for the new owner(s) views and opinions regarding how the site is to be run, Wayne has repeatedly stated that nothing is going to change and the new owner(s) have expressed that they have no intention of making changes, so until something does change, there is nothing we have to worry about, or to endlessly discuss.
With all respect - Wayne doesn't have anything to say about what the new owners decide to do a bit down the road. But not even that was my point. My point was that *it does matter* who's throwing the party. And that anyone should have the right to decide to who's party to attend, and for that to be even possible, you must know who the party host is.
Your party and host analogy only reaffirms the reasons I gave in my previous post why the new owner might not want to disclose their identity(ies). If the new owner(s) have had some recent bad press elsewhere, or here in the forums, they would naturally not want to reveal themselves if more members here feel the way you do about the host/party analogy.
And that is OK in your opinion?
I think there are many comments here suggesting otherwise. There is a reason to why people want to know. They want to know who's party they currently are visiting.
Yes, it is odd and uncomfortable that the new owner has not stepped in and introduced themselves to us the way we would have liked, but that is all it is
It's more than "odd" and "uncomfortable", it's close to outrageous.
and I think we should not be making more of it, or try to dissect the reason(s), or motives for such decision
Excuse me? Say what?
The reason given (being a private person(s) that does not want to be the center of attention)
Then he/she/they should perhaps *not* have taken over the biggest amiga forum on Internet? Come on...
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As I said earlier Wayne, it's just poor really on the part of the new owner to indicate Do then Does Not !
Trust and Reputation is important when it comes to such a venerable site such as this, and the lack of trust shown leads me to wonder what else will be promised and not kept.
In you Wayne, I trust, knowing your kind words over the years however I do hope that something is learned from this experience and be they wish to be known or not, they should remember not to treat the user base so lightly in future.
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I think people should listen to wayne and not get carried away. I am sure the information will come out in time.
as for my two cents on who the new owner(s) is, I am betting its microsoft..... just so they can say "Finely, we can support a great OS and system" hehe
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if the new owner is gonna close the site or change it to something else than amiga. he will not have is name exposed, there is alot of amiganuts around. lets face it a.org as it is today you wil not earn money on, so changes must be done i guess. time will tell what will happen.
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I just posted this elsewhere and don't feel like retyping it. It sums up all I have to say (and repeatedly said) on the matter, so here;
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On Monday, Nov 30, 2009, jorkany wrote:
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> Maybe so, but I don't see how you will have any say in it once the
> domain registration has been transferred.
Frankly, you're right (and even more frankly, I'm ok with that), but what everyone refuses to accept is that the new owner(s) sunk what is -- for the tiny and excessively verbal Amiga community -- a huge chunk of change into keeping the site up, live, and as it currently is.
If you will actually stop to consider and accept that, the fact that they won't do anything stupid to destroy the property they just bought should be relatively obvious.
Not everyone buys a property in order to tear it down and build a parking lot. I know that between Amiga Inc, Genesi, Hyperion, and a host of other companies it's par for the course, but the only thing that keeps Amiga.org going is you guys. Without you guys, there isn't a site to worry about and the new owner(s) know that all too well.
They bought it because literally I said "I think I'll just shut it down one day soon". As such, I'm absolutely confident in their word that they don't intend to screw it all up or sell it to Spanish lesbians.
Wayne
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I'm really jealous of some of the people posting in this thread. I wish my life were so simple and uneventful that I had to make such a big deal over something so insignificant. It must be nice to have so little stress in your life!
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What a huge fuss over very little. Wayne is still here, most of our moderators are unchanged and the new owners have no more information or access to information about any user than Wayne or anyone else ever did.
I'm a little curious about who the new owner is, and I wish them luck.
After the usual explosions of paranoia against their unknown person(s), who simply wish to keep this community going, I'll continue to be amazed as to how anyone can cope with us all!
Andy
PS: Wayne I think you've handled all this really well.
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"sell it to Spanish lesbians" .. the one disappointment is that they won't ;)
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I'm just curious about something.
Botched announcement aside (and that's what it was), is there ANYONE IN THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY -- hell, even on this planet that you guys would NOT be having this little melodramatic hissy fit over?
If everyone can name me that one person, I would probably faint dead away.
Face it. The Amiga community is nothing if not overtly melodramatic in a very real way about every little thing, so if anything, I find this just another source of amusement in the road.
I'm not trying to devalue your concerns as much as I am simply trying to share a bit of perspective over the whole thing. The fact is that I am "retiring" and SOMEONE had to either step up or the site would simply disappear one day.
Yes, probably to be replaced by Spanish Lesbians so I could put it on sedo.com and sell it for money, but the point remains the same.
The site is here, nothing has changed, life goes on. There is no single person, group, or entity on the planet you guys would not have freaked out over, so please, can't we just move on to the next little micro-melodrama and go back to enjoying the Amiga? Pretty please?
Wayne
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If everyone can name me that one person, I would probably faint dead away.
Jeremy Clarkson.......nuff said.
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I'm not trying to devalue your concerns as much as I am simply trying to share a bit of perspective over the whole thing. The fact is that I am "retiring" and SOMEONE had to either step up or the site would simply disappear one day.
Yep, but why does it has to be Obama ? He was other problems too... Like saving the planet.
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x303*:D :D :D
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I can't stop thinking about this, and finally see it from your perspectives. Let me say that I understand. I get it.
Whether you love me, or think me the Anti-Christ (as some have said), Wayne Hunt is a known evil that you've all dealt with for 15 years now.
As a webmaster and forum guru, I have my own quirks. I have my own pet peeves, I am insanely predictable when it comes to getting certain buttons pushed, and for a lot of the same reasons each time.
Now comes the day that I've chosen to move on with my own life, and you guys are left hanging by the botched announcement of the owner(s). You're all pissed, you're all concerned, and yes, even a little scared of "the future". Again, I do get it.
Enter a new era where you have to not only figure out the new guy(s), but learn their quirks and peeves.
It's a scary thing, and I just want to say firmly and openly that I get that.
Just please take me at my word that -- money aside -- I would not have sold this site to anyone that I thought would have done it -- or this community -- harm. I wanted above all else, for the site to continue and even improve if we could get the right person(s) to run it and make these improvements.
If I felt otherwise, I literally would have put it on the open market to see if I could sell it as an adult domain, gaining myself FAR more money than I received.
I'm not asking you to forget your concerns. I'm not suggesting in any way that you're not validly concerned. I'm just asking that you each take a moment to consider things from my perspective as well as I am from yours.
Everything will be ok..
Wayne
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@takemehomegrandma,
My opinion obviously is 180 degrees from yours on this topic. I also do not agree with your assessment of why Wayne stated that Bill McEwen, Bill Buck, or Doomy are not the new owner(s).
If the new owner has indicated (through Wayne so far, who I trust and I think you also trust) that the site is not going to change, so why is such a big deal being made about what the name of the new owner(s) is/are? If the new owner has agreed that Wayne is to remain here for an unnamed amount of time to smooth the transition, then we should give that transition and some time beyond a chance. Yes, no one can guarantee what the new owner is going to do in the future, but you also cannot predict that anything bad will happen even if the new owner turns out to be Bill P., or Tedd Gallion, or a company with many employees and investors called DiscreetFX, or the former Netscape Executive.
You all can judge the new owner(s) and think the worst will happen if you happen to dislike any of their previous actions, or you can go on participating on this site just as you have always done and enjoy this site until something happens to change it that you do not like. Then you can decide if you want to stay and continue participating here, or if you want to leave. Personally, I think choosing to leave here as soon as you find out a name, or names of the new owner(s), just to spite them because you have disagreed with one or two of their previous actions or posts, is childish, but is anyone's choice. I choose to be optimistic and believe what Wayne has been saying all along, that this site is in good hands and will continue to be the premiere Amiga site on the Internet for the foreseeable future. This site is more about it's members than the owner, no disrespect to Wayne intended.
Just because the owner(s) have not revealed themselves yet does not change this site, no matter how much you and others try to say otherwise. It is still all the same members that contribute here. The site has not been flooded with advertising (which I guess is some people's fear).
@Boudicca,
I think you should continue to trust what Wayne has said repeatedly, until the new owner actually does something besides changing their mind about revealing their identity. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion to what is actually important on this site by a few people for no good reasons that actually affect the site, IMHO of course. I think there are many silent members here, plus Wayne himself, that agree that the "circus" as some have put it, has been created more by the people unhappy about the lack of knowing the owner, than the owner(s) themselves.
I am tired of trying to calm people down in regard to this topic so all of you can be glad that you won't have to read my long posts on this topic anymore. As far as I am concerned, I am not happy that the owner(s) have not yet revealed themselves, but it has been beat to death already and needs no further discussion by me, as I have made my thoughts on all of this clear already. I think we all have better things to do than worry about a name, or names, until something actually changes here.
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I'm just curious about something.
Botched announcement aside (and that's what it was), is there ANYONE IN THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY -- hell, even on this planet that you guys would NOT be having this little melodramatic hissy fit over?
The only melodrama I see here is a new owner who agreed to go on a hyped show to "reveal him/herself" and then was a no show. I didn't ask for the new owner's name before that. I didn't ask for a hyped delivery vehicle for that news either. And neither did most folks. This little podcast media circus thing was not the community's doing.
You don't want to be revealed, fine don't agree to be revealed. You are private and shy but want to reveal yourself, fine don't choose a hyped media event that you will chicken out of.
Instead of going on offense to say the community is the issue maybe the simplest answer is the best one. The new owner screwed up and wasted folks time.
And sorry but it does not help to have weirdness with this anonymous entity tied to Bill after there was other weirdness with another anonymous entity tied to Bill just a couple of weeks ago.
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As a webmaster and forum guru, I have my own quirks. I have my own pet peeves, I am insanely predictable when it comes to getting certain buttons pushed, and for a lot of the same reasons each time.
Well lets just hope its not the former Netscape exec guy replacing you. I found the message he had published through Bill a bit creepy, with that talk about removing donations and withholding other project donations based on him taking things not even said about him at all as personal insults. It was just plain weird.
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The only melodrama I see here is a new owner who agreed to go on a hyped show to "reveal him/herself" and then was a no show.
Again, I understand that as well, though the proportion scale is broken for some.
I need everyone here to understand that -- if anyone -- I share a large bit of blame in said non-announcement, as it was my suggestion which ultimately lead to the ART situation to begin with. When pushing for it, I did not realize that the new owner(s) were intending more of a desire to remain private, so I fully accept the mea culpa.
I wish it could be different now, but it's not. It literally is, what it is, so we can sit here blowing it further out of proportion, or we can all just call it a non-event and go back to our normally scheduled lives realizing we're neither better nor worse for it.
BTW, Even though I sounded like an idiot (I take things way too frivolously and I apparently sound like Kermit the Frog), I think the ART came off well with a lot of help from Joe Torre, and I look forward to the opportunity to participate in another some day.
Wayne
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I think we can all rest assured that the Spanish Lesbians who made this possible will not be forgotten.
As Doomy might sing "Only Spanish Lesbians Make it possible..."
(http://www.yahoofreak.com/animated%20emoticons/Cartoon%20Animated%20Emoticons/singing%20cartman.gif)
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My prediction:
New owner comes forward...and nothing happens.
Oh, by the way:
I forgot to say my prayers before bed last night and ... nothing happened!
Unbelievable.
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Amazing how this announcement so closely mirrors what has been going on with Amiga Inc. for years! lol Something we should all be used to by now ;-) Glad to see some things will never change. Scratch that! lol
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BTW, Even though I sounded like an idiot (I take things way too frivolously and I apparently sound like Kermit the Frog), I think the ART came off well with a lot of help from Joe Torre, and I look forward to the opportunity to participate in another some day.
You sounded fine, i on the other hand sounded like a groggy gnome... I didnt even manage to grab a cup of coffee before i realized i was hours late for the show...
The show turned out great, both you and Joe were very interesting guests, considering the situation, you guys most certainly saved the show.
As for this being blown out of proportions... god yes... I´ve never seen so much fuss over such a simple little thing like a website changing owners, i cant imagine that this would be anything more then a "non-event" on any other non amiga related site?
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As for this being blown out of proportions... god yes... I´ve never seen so much fuss over such a simple little thing like a website changing owners, i cant imagine that this would be anything more then a "non-event" on any other non amiga related site?
It changing owners is not an issue. Nor would it be an issue if the new owner stayed anonymous from the get go (IMHO anyway). The show came to us however seeking an audience for this "event" a.k.a. coming out party. Not the other way around. The show was the one advertising and with exclaimation marks about this.
On non-amiga sites there would not have been a podcast event for this in the first place.
The secrecy in general seems silly for starters. The no-show is someone not keeping their word. Thats disappointing and not the best way to start a relationship.
Any way you slice it that was not cool. Now maybe you think people have "overreacted". But it sure would be nice if folks running stuff in Amiga land stopped making the same mistake over and over and over and over again (i.e. the failed announcemet of an announcement) creating silly situations begging for reactions in the first place.
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Mil-spec Spanish Lesbians.... ;-)
What disappointed me was the cheesyness of the whole affair. I don't really care who owns the lease... If they run it badly, people will leave, and the place will die, but at least Wayne got something back for his time.
I told folks in the Sunday-nite chat recently that the Amiga saga all the way back to 1985 reminds me of a really bad novel. It keeps getting even more silly as chapters pass... but you've invested so much time in reading it so far that you just can't put it down. ;-) It's almost comedy.
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I'm really jealous of some of the people posting in this thread. I wish my life were so simple and uneventful that I had to make such a big deal over something so insignificant. It must be nice to have so little stress in your life!
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moto
HA! you and me both, buddy
yikkies, I'm crazy busy and just drop in to see what is up and all hell is breaking loose over NOTHING. Mt out of a molehill,
jesus, mary and joseph!
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I'm just curious about something.
Botched announcement aside (and that's what it was), is there ANYONE IN THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY -- hell, even on this planet that you guys would NOT be having this little melodramatic hissy fit over?
Wayne
Wow, I missed some fun it seems :lol:
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Bill Panagouleas will be calling the shots.
I don't think I feel very comfortable about the idea.
Bill has always been a nice guy, WTH is wrong with him?
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Heh. Good to see Amigaland still can provide some popcorn moments, I was losing confidence.
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This:
"I told folks in the Sunday-nite chat recently that the Amiga saga all the way back to 1985 reminds me of a really bad novel. It keeps getting even more silly as chapters pass... but you've invested so much time in reading it so far that you just can't put it down. ;-) It's almost comedy."
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Again, I understand that as well, though the proportion scale is broken for some.
Absolutely.
We all went bananas there for a while. And we fired eachother up there for a moment.
In retrospect it would be best served if the show was cancelled. Rich vented hotly... We all was shocked, and few of us tried to be calm and understand what had happened. With yourself as an honest exception - well, and the amiga.org admin who was there (Bill).
That it now has blown out of proportions is a responsability we all have to share. But an extra portion or two goes to Rich as he hosted the show. He has many years in broadcasting, like he said he should have rolled with it.
BTW, Even though I sounded like an idiot (I take things way too frivolously and I apparently sound like Kermit the Frog)
Hehe, what you said sounded sound enough. But yes, your voice would be gread in comedy ;-P But then, who am I to talk?
I think the ART came off well with a lot of help from Joe Torre, and I look forward to the opportunity to participate in another some day.
ART is a lot of fun when it works. cancel@45 or what ever we should call it was fun for a while. A few minutes into it. But little new insight came from it this time around, and less laughts. At least no sweet laughter.
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12 pages?
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redfox
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That it now has blown out of proportions is a responsability we all have to share. But an extra portion or two goes to Rich as he hosted the show. He has many years in broadcasting, like he said he should have rolled with it.
This show was planned for weeks, its like ordering a birthday clown, hyping it for a while to all your friends, all your friends friends, etc. Only to have a worn out alcoholic stand in show up. Rich got stood up here, everything was planned, everyone though we were golden, then it fracked it self for whatever reason that might be. Rich had to save the show, he deserves credit for that, even if some might feel that the language was harsh im sure people have had plans go down the drain in one way or another at some point. And its not always a good happy comfy little accompanying feeling when shit does go wrong. And as a professional talk show host, im sure Rich felt obliged to deliver what has been hyped for the past few weeks, who wouldnt?. And as he said, he had better tings to do then have an interview with a guest thats not around.
Im sure by this time next week this will all have blown over and we can return to our little ppc vs arm vs x86 threads and curse the world for choosing windows.
Where do you get off saying it was uninformative or whatever anyway, did i misinterpret that? I found the interview with Wayne & Joe extremely interesting and informative, atleast :S
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12 pages?
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redfox
No, its 13! Oh, my bad still 12.
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Post #174 FTW!!! :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
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hi rich
your awsome dude l know how is sometimes you give so much and you just havent got anymore to give out keep up the faith
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enough drama, I don't care who the new owner is, now bring on the spanish lesbians!
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Whether you love me, or think me the Anti-Christ (as some have said), Wayne Hunt is a known evil that you've all dealt with for 15 years now.
Oh, I don't think any one blames you for the announcement of an announcement not turning into an announcement. ;-) Well, I don't anyway.
I think the whole situation is sort of just so thick with irony. It's nearly unbelievable that our little community has stuff like this happen to it over and over. I mean I know Sh*t happens everywhere, but it is a little... funny, for lack of a better word, that people can't just "communicate" in the Amiga world.
It's not an issue of "who" the new owner is, it could be Jesus or a naked hot chick, it more a matter of 'playing games'.
So, here we are, a great site being owned be another person incapable of communication.
Bill McEwen and anyone related to Amiga Inc. had horrible communication skills.
Bill Buck just spams and is almost just 100% marketing speak.
Hyperion plays it's games like announcing their most ambitious project ever (an announcement of an announcement type thing we see so much) only to then turn around and act annoyed at the community for speculating what the project could be.
Now we have someone taking over the best Amiga site playing shadow games.
Oh, well, it is what it is. We'll see how it plays out I suppose.
More important than anything, are you planning a staying around these parts? (lord know why you'd want to! ;-) )
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enough drama, I don't care who the new owner is, now bring on the spanish lesbians!
Hell yeah!!
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_01/LesbiansSWNS_468x507.jpg)
(http://rantventrant.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ugly-lesbians.jpg)
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The best thing about Amiga.org is it's community of members, they are awesome. Great moderation team is already in place too.
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OMFG!! OMFG!!!! OMFG!!!!!!
This is worse than 9/11, the Battle of the Somme and the Black Death x 1,000,000!
Like most people the fear and shock gripped me so tightly that I vomited all over the desk. I've spent the last 12 hours curled up in the fetal position, crying my eyes raw. I mean, my God, what is happening to the world?
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Oh wait...
@Wayne
Did you sell the site on the premise that it is already populated by Spanish lesbians? You wouldn't know otherwise from reading this thread (it looks like it's some member's time of the month :biglaugh:)
@Ffastback
Don't worry guy, your continual posting on this matter provides complete confirmation of the absence of any caring on your part. :rolleyes:
@takemehomegrandma
I'm sure any moment now, the more regular denizens of these esteemed forums will be taking to to the streets, wailing like mothers who's children have been brutally murdered. Any second now Wayne will see the error of his ways and return the money, vowing to dedicate his life, with no respect to his personal needs or health, to this site.
Because frankly, and I'm speaking from the heart here, the world would literally stop turning if you ever stopped occasionally posting about BBRV's ability to crap gold, while explaining to us how the Friedens, Ben Hermans, et al are a bunch of evil soul devouring clowns (Like a pack of Pennywises I guess - scary! :eek:).
Without you to remind them that MOS is compiled from source code written by God himself, and that AOS4 is compiled from the dead carcasses of puppies and kittens that were bludgeoned to death by the Friedens using a handlebars of a bike they stole from a small child, this place could fall apart in no time. Left unchecked, people could *gasp* form their own opinions about something they don't really care about all that much. :eek:
Oh yes! I loves me some drama :D
(But I'm also reminded why I don't stop by very often anymore)
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Hey Wayne,
Sorry to hear about the minor upset of the announcement.
On the upside, it must be nice to see the contrast between past and future in sharp definition: that you no longer have to answer to anyone on here about this kind of crap, and can just step back and enjoy the forums :-)
Take it easy dude.
Rich
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@ uncharted et al...
And some come here and talk about melodrama... :roll:
Look, just say who owns the site. All this is beyond ridiculous...
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@Ffastback
Don't worry guy, your continual posting on this matter provides complete confirmation of the absence of any caring on your part. :rolleyes:
You are welcome to your opinion. "This matter" was entirely unnecessary. I did not start this thread. And I have only posted replies to the posts of others.
I personally think its pretty messed up for an Amigan to pull something like this after all the similar sideshows we have been subjected to over the years. Its not important to my daily life, but its my opinion nonetheless. If you don't like that I reply to others from that perspective oh well.
Oh, and BTW, as someone from NYC I have to say I find your inclusion of 9/11 in your mocking rant distasteful and unnecessary. Thats just more crap drama that none of us need.
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This show was planned for weeks, its like ordering a birthday clown, hyping it for a while to all your friends, all your friends friends, etc. Only to have a worn out alcoholic stand in show up. Rich got stood up here, everything was planned, everyone though we were golden, then it fracked it self for whatever reason that might be. Rich had to save the show, he deserves credit for that, even if some might feel that the language was harsh im sure people have had plans go down the drain in one way or another at some point. And its not always a good happy comfy little accompanying feeling when shit does go wrong. And as a professional talk show host, im sure Rich felt obliged to deliver what has been hyped for the past few weeks, who wouldnt?. And as he said, he had better tings to do then have an interview with a guest thats not around.
While the cursing was exploding out of my speakers I thought I was hearing the Great Howard Stern yelling at his staff for something stupid they just did. :furious: I found it all very entertaining, frankly. It was real. And i can totally appreciate being let down when a guest has promised to come on.
but the guys didn't dwell on that. they continued on. as we all should.
Where do you get off saying it was uninformative or whatever anyway, did i misinterpret that? I found the interview with Wayne & Joe extremely interesting and informative, atleast :S
I agree! I just listened to the Roundtable last night (because Some of us have a life and are busy) :) and really enjoyed the show and was riveted by what they were saying. I also recall Joe showing me his blue LED (HAHA) - me and half the population, i suspect.
:lol:
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Popcorn delivery.
Where do you want it?
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Popcorn delivery.
Where do you want it?
*Yawns*
Yeah, this thread's boring now...
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While the cursing was exploding out of my speakers I thought I was hearing the Great Howard Stern yelling at his staff for something stupid they just did. :furious: I found it all very entertaining, frankly. It was real. And i can totally appreciate being let down when a guest has promised to come on.
I also recall Joe showing me his blue LED (HAHA) - me and half the population, i suspect.
:lol:
True , true, i bet a good portion of the live stream listeners thought he was gonna blow up and that would be that for the rounded table.
I´ve never heard Rich go off like that, i must say, i´d hate to be the guy that messes up his day and happened to be on the same continent. Quite inspirational, truly a lesion in how to blow off some steam on the air.
Joe showed you his *cough* LED?
Now, I dont know if i want popcorn anymore.
@ZeBeeDee
All of the above? Except the last one? Evis in a ufo driven by the new owner?
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I'm just curious about something.
Botched announcement aside (and that's what it was), is there ANYONE IN THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY -- hell, even on this planet that you guys would NOT be having this little melodramatic hissy fit over?
If everyone can name me that one person, I would probably faint dead away.
Wayne
I would have liked it if you had sold it to me. :rtfm:
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Joe showed you his *cough* LED?
Now, I dont know if i want popcorn anymore.
heh, Joe loves flashing his blue LED all over the place.
:roflmao:
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Wow, you post pictures of Spanish lesbians on here and no one cares... Geez...
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Elvis *is* the new owner.... I saw him get out of his UFO at the Burger King with a bag o' cash, then drive off in a red & white checkered Caddy. ;-)
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Wow, you post pictures of Spanish lesbians on here and no one cares... Geez...
I care!!
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This is a very silly thread. I won't be seen posting on this one.
D'oh !!!
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This is a very silly thread. I won't be seen posting on this one.
D'oh !!!
You did tho! so welcome back ;)
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Me, too. What's the password to the Spanish Lesbians section?
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Me, too. What's the password to the Spanish Lesbians section?
Something like "Spanish Lesbian" but in Spanish, I don't have the characters on my keyboard to help sorry. Try "Spanisha Lesbeos", its darn close.
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lesbiana española ?
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amigas? :)
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lesbiana española ?
Sorry "Don't speaka Da Lingo!", Mush ! Sounds Cushty tho, laters I'm mashing at the mo and me sis needs some peshtay brought over for fags.
Shaz
Mush = Friend (Male)
Cushty = Good
Mashing = Making a Pot of Tea
Peshtay = Money
(Colloquial local dialect - Newark upon Trent, Nottinghamshire, England,origins: British Romano)
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heh, Joe loves flashing his blue LED all over the place.
:roflmao:
Oh please Cecilia: Please DO "tell all" !
I'm proud to admit I showed you my wares!
(I have pix, so bring it woman!) 8*D
Good times, good times...
...But just to correct the record: My showing off of a "Blue-LED" as a novelty for attention back around 1987, when the LEDs cost over $40 dollars EACH, and were only used in medical devices (Zaney, but I bought two of them from Phillips).
I think you have a memory of me showing you not a Blue, but rather an UltraViolet LED.
The most recent escapade of me showing an exotic LED was (before most of the public had seen them) the UltraViolet LEDs (390um) that I brought to Kermit Woodall's Amiga Expo show in Baltimore 2002. At the Expo I popped many new "LED cherries" with all the assembled guests - NOBODY had ever seen a UV-LED before!
Fortunately, I brought dozens of the UV-LEDs and gave most of them away to fellow hackers, (WITH a color warning sticker that I'd printed about them not being eye-safe!).
When they have X-Ray LEDs, I will be the first person you know to get and show them around to others!
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The UV-LED warning sticker I mentioned above, is below:
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The best thing about Amiga.org is it's community of members, they are awesome. Great moderation team is already in place too.
Yes, contrary to all evidence in this thread to the opposite. (I know I was through with the topic of this thread, but I see the subject of the worth of this site as a different topic than the question of who the owner(s) are).
I think I should stop even watching this thread, but you know how it is hard to turn away from watching a train wreck.
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Yes, contrary to all evidence in this thread to the opposite. (I know I was through with the topic of this thread, but I see the subject of the worth of this site as a different topic than the question of who the owner(s) are).
I think I should stop even watching this thread, but you know how it is hard to turn away from watching a train wreck.
All aboard....
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Oh please Cecilia: Please DO "tell all" !
I'm proud to admit I showed you my wares!
(I have pix, so bring it woman!) 8*D
Good times, good times...
...But just to correct the record: My showing off of a "Blue-LED" as a novelty for attention back around 1987, when the LEDs cost over $40 dollars EACH, and were only used in medical devices (Zaney, but I bought two of them from Phillips).
I think you have a memory of me showing you not a Blue, but rather an UltraViolet LED.
The most recent escapade of me showing an exotic LED was (before most of the public had seen them) the UltraViolet LEDs (390um) that I brought to Kermit Woodall's Amiga Expo show in Baltimore 2002. At the Expo I popped many new "LED cherries" with all the assembled guests - NOBODY had ever seen a UV-LED before!
Fortunately, I brought dozens of the UV-LEDs and gave most of them away to fellow hackers, (WITH a color warning sticker that I'd printed about them not being eye-safe!).
When they have X-Ray LEDs, I will be the first person you know to get and show them around to others!
AH! you are Correct!
My visual memory (which is better than my verbal memory) makes me recall a very light bluish color on the LED - which would kinda make sense as they were UltraViolet and not really BLUE
anyway, good job on the interview. I know how hard it is to remember details when you are 'on the spot'
it's good to have this kind of Amiga History being documented.
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I don't get it. Why won't the new owner stand up and announce? The overwhelming majority of us would give a round of applause and thanks for carrying the torch.
Also, in firefox, for some stupid reason, as I type in this box, the spell checker won't work. New owner, pleause fixx thiss.
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Good luck to the new owner, whomever that may be.
What I find quite interesting is that compared to back in the good old days of the Amiga, such a new owner would be guarenteed elevation to celebrity status. Today they are met with suspicion. Quite understandable of course.
I feel a little concerned about how the site might change. It would be nice to hear of the new owner's vision for the site, where they see the site fitting in amongst the other Amiga sites, where they did stand in the old RvB wars, personal views, relationships or past relationships with Amiga notables.
I think a bit of background would make everyone feel a bit happier.
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¡Acoja con satisfacción a nuestros nuevos Overlords lesbianos españoles!
SpottyWot is distressed when one of his antennae goes straight and spiky. So DottyWot finds an animal that is proud to be covered in lots of straight, pointy spikes.
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Also, in firefox, for some stupid reason, as I type in this box, the spell checker won't work. New owner, pleause fixx thiss.
hmmm, in Opera when i use the Quick Reply the spellchecker doesn't work, but it does work in the normal Quote/Reply box
how odd
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Erm, isn't the spell checker a feature of your browser, rather than a feature of the site?
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Erm, isn't the spell checker a feature of your browser, rather than a feature of the site?
For whatever reason, Opera doesn't seem to enable the spell checker in the quick reply box. I'm guessing it sees it as something other then a standard text input box - perhaps similar to the title text box (where the spell checker also doesn't work.)
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The quick reply box is just a text area. However, it is disabled by default and only enabled by a javascript call when you click quick reply. Perhaps when initially parsing the page, the browser doesn't bother to enable spell checking on fields it thinks aren't modifiable.
Either way, it seems to be a browser issue.
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Erm, isn't the spell checker a feature of your browser, rather than a feature of the site?
yes, it is - and i LOVE it!!
For whatever reason, Opera doesn't seem to enable the spell checker in the quick reply box. I'm guessing it sees it as something other then a standard text input box - perhaps similar to the title text box (where the spell checker also doesn't work.)
The quick reply box is just a text area. However, it is disabled by default and only enabled by a javascript call when you click quick reply. Perhaps when initially parsing the page, the browser doesn't bother to enable spell checking on fields it thinks aren't modifiable.
Either way, it seems to be a browser issue.
obviously, what's weird is that i Just noticed this. for some reason I thought this HAD been working. I just upgraded to Opera 10.10
in my linux i'm still using Opera 10.00 so when I boot into that I'll make a test and see if I just misremembered
in any case, before anyone accuses me of not keeping on an Amiga Topic let me remind people that I was introduced to Opera AT an Amiga convention BY an Amiga programmer
so THERE! :lol:
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Um, You haven't seen the Patterson video? Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo...
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Um, You haven't seen the Patterson video? Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo...
(http://goremasterfx.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/messin-with-sasquatch.jpg)
So the new owner of A.org is the sasquatch? Blimey! didn't see that one coming :laughing:
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So what happened to ART Episode 45?
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My guess is now Matthew Leaman of AmigaKit....
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The simple fact is there should be NO REASON NOT TO IDENTIFY THE NEW OWNERS.
IF they have nothing to hide that is, only people who walk in the shadows with their hood up are people who do not want to be recognised or known for good reason.
Sure it's just a website, there are others, is the new owner someone that members here will take offence to?
Why buy the freakin site if you aren't comfortable announcing you purchased it.
It is ALL very suspicious sorry, this is why people don't like the mystery, and until the new owner comes clean I won't be comfortable posting here.
For all I know it could be the russian mafia or the taliban who now own it haha
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The simple fact is there should be NO REASON NOT TO IDENTIFY THE NEW OWNERS.
IF they have nothing to hide that is, only people who walk in the shadows with their hood up are people who do not want to be recognised or known for good reason.
Sure it's just a website, there are others, is the new owner someone that members here will take offence to?
Why buy the freakin site if you aren't comfortable announcing you purchased it.
It is ALL very suspicious sorry, this is why people don't like the mystery, and until the new owner comes clean I won't be comfortable posting here.
For all I know it could be the russian mafia or the taliban who now own it haha
The simple fact is that the new owner has NO OBLIGATION to reveal their identity if they don't want to and all the ranting that has gone on here has not helped the situation.
Maybe the owner(s) is/are just someone or some group that wants to support the Amiga community, but does not want to be a public person. So they get someone else to run the site and their purchase is a kind of anonymous donation to keep this site running and in good hands.
Get over it and be thankful that the site is still running just as it always has been and it is still the best Amiga forum site anywhere.
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Amiga_Nut
It's answers like yours which only serve to prove that there is a legitimate reason to wish to remain anonymous in this community sometimes.
No one here has any inaliable "right" to know anything at all about the owner(s). This is a web site. A public service which I worked to build with the help of the community itself for almost 15 years to serve the community. Nothing more, nothing less.
My identity is known today only because I wished it to be so. I could have just as easily remained in the shadows all these years and were it not for public appearances, and no one would care.
The "simple fact" as you so oversimplified, is that since I haven't actually OWNED an Amiga in years, I was ready to find different things to do with my life rather than worrying about "the next drama fix" around here.
Simply stated, I was ready to close this web site, and if need be, I was even willing to put it up as an adult site to try and make even more money from the sale of the domain name.
The current owner(s) -- who (for those of you who refuse to read or comprehend -- is NOT Bill Panagouleas) had the money to make it happen, and whether through their own influence, or at the request of Bill P, stepped up to make it happen.
That doesn't mean that they were interested in physically dealing with the day-to-day of Amiga.org. For all I care to divulge, the new owner(s) could have simply been wanting to save a site that they, themselves enjoy regularly and simply didn't want to see it disappear.
There is no conspiracy, there's no need for 18 pages of drama, there's no need for the infantile stupidity that's being shown by some, but were it not for the over-the-top drama, it wouldn't be the Amiga community.
My official take on it is that if you like this web site, then just shut up and enjoy the fact that it's still here and the fact that the owners have no intent of changing anything.
Another simple fact is that considering my current employment and economic status, selling the domain name / web site would have been unavoidable either way.
For the record, Panagouleas and the same moderators that have ALWAYS been running the site are now officially running the day-to-day. I'm still hovering nearby because I have friends here, and until you all go to segwayne.com or whyzzat.com, I'll always be here.
Final facts:
Things aren't changing. Everything is status quo, so please. Be happy and enjoy the gift that this purchase is to the community, considering that if they hadn't stepped up, you wouldn't be here right now.
Regards,
Wayne Hunt
segwayne.com
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{bleep}, I only have 17 pages of drama :biglaugh:
Ok ok, I must say that "I LOVE A.ORG" :banana:
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Hi,
@Wayne
You are definetly right sir, nothing is changed at amiga.org, the loonies are ranting, raving and whinning to find out who the new owners are.
bwah ha ha,
it is killing everyone to find out who the new owners are, keep on guessing!!
Wayne and the new owners are driving us loonies back to the funny farm, which is exactly what amiga.org is.
Why can't we just all watch and enjoy the show?
Lets say it
Wayne, Who are the new owners?
Wayne, Who are the new owners?
Wayne, Who are the new owners?
Wayne, Who are the new owners?
Wayne, Who are the new owners?
There I asked till blue in the face and the new owner is me, or is it?
smerf
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Okay, you have forced me to admit that the new owner of A.org is ................ Tiger Woods!
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Okay, you have forced me to admit that the new owner of A.org is ................ Tiger Woods!
Jeezus! Isn't it enough that he's had multiple affairs without going after our coveted Spanish Lezbo's as well?
:laughing:
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The simple fact that this partly ridiculous and tedious discussion has been going on so long (too long for me) unobstructed and uncensored ensures me that we'll be able to enjoy our beloved a.org for years to come. I'm curious about what actually has happened, too - but as long as the site thrives, I can very well live with an absent owner. :)
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Everyone is telling us that we can trust the new owners, they will keep their word.
Someone confirmed in this very thread that my account will be deleted "by the end of the week", as I requested. That was almost two weeks ago. Need I say more about trust?
I do care who's party I attend. I don't want to be associated with someone who doesn't share my political opinions, and frankly, I do have a right to know who's site it is: German law requires the "Impressum" with a valid street address of the responsible person on every website. It may be different in a different country, but I don't respect that. In the US, collected data belongs to the one who collects, which is - in my opinion - legalized theft. That's why SWIFT has decided to move their backup server out of the US (and I have no idea why the EU decided to still give financial data to the US, but that's a totally different topic).
I kind of expected the new owner to let me know who he is to change my mind. Obviously, he has no idea who I am and what I do, he doesn't care about my decision to leave this site and delete all the content that I left here. Oh wait, does he/she care? My account wasn't deleted, my content is still here, although I don't agree with that any more.
I want to leave the party. Unlock the door. Now.
Jens
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No one here has any inaliable "right" to know anything at all about the owner(s).
Hi Wayne, first time i've posted anything about this issue here.
No-one has a "right". Correct. Some countries have laws (like above poster says) about what must be in the WHOIS information. Australia is pretty strict on it's own auTLD domains.
However, it is a requirement of accredited .org registrars to make sure the WHOIS information is accurate. If not, they are in breach of ICANN's conditions.
http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/advisory-10may02.htm
It's an old announcement, but it's still current.
Here's another: http://www.icann.org/en/gnso/whois-tf/report-19feb03.htm
So, no we don't have a "right"... but you're basically admitting to breaching the Terms and Conditions of your domain registration... or if the registrar is notified, then they are required to change it to the correct information. It's easy enough to prove it's not correct right now.
Edit: FYI, "NameSecure" is an ICANN accredited registrar.
There's a lot more info at: http://epic.org/privacy/whois/
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@Schoenfeld
My father almost died and just had open heart surgery and I am out of town because of that. I have done little if anything on Amiga.org due to the serious unexpected heath complications my father had.
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Everyone is telling us that we can trust the new owners, they will keep their word.
Someone confirmed in this very thread that my account will be deleted "by the end of the week", as I requested. That was almost two weeks ago. Need I say more about trust?
As *I* said, accounts do not get deleted. Anyone, including Bill P who said differently may be a little confused, which is why I'm still hanging around to teach them. Whomever may have said differently needs to understand why things happen the way they do.
It has nothing to do with trust, though I'm thoroughly surprised someone as intelligent as you is taking part in all this sillyness.
Your account remains. Whether or not you choose to use it (and I hope you do) is entirely up to you sir. It has zero to do with politics and everything to do with the integrity of both this web site, and the data therein.
That being said, if you refuse to see reason or logic, I sincerely wish you good luck, and thank you for everything you did for this community and the Amiga platform.
Wayne
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Mick,
As someone who spent over 10 years working directly for an ICANN accredited registrar (directnic.com), allow me to point out that you're both canonically off your rocker and heading far away from the reservation.
ICANN regulations require legitimate information be held by the registrar. True. ICANN regulations require that legitimate information be held for each domain name. That "legitimate" information simply means a valid address and phone number of a person who can speak for the domain name. ICANN DOES NOT however say that the information has to be yours, or even the owner of the domain name.
As long as the domain's owner CAN BE CONTACTED BY MEANS of the information on file, it is valid. That means if ICANN wants to speak to the owners, I'll be sure to let them know.
ICANN also does not prohibit anonymous registrations, or better said, registration by proxy, which is why every registrar now offers a domain privacy option.
My name is still listed on the domain name's WHOIS information simply because the announcement of the new owner(s) has not been made. Once it has, I'm sure the domain's WHOIS entry will change.
Until such time, flatly stated. "I'm sorry, you're wrong, thanks for playing". :)
Wayne
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@Schoenfeld
My father almost died and just had open heart surgery and I am out of town because of that. I have done little if anything on Amiga.org due to the serious unexpected heath complications my father had.
I sincerely hope he's doing better. Best hopes for a speedy recovery.
Wayne
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I sincerely hope he's doing better. Best hopes for a speedy recovery.
Wayne
Thanx for the very kind words Wayne, it is most appreciated. He will be in the hospital for a long time so we take it day by day. He survived the difficult surgery and is slowly getting better.
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@Bill P., I hope your Father recovers quickly and fully.
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@Bill P., I hope your Father recovers quickly and fully.
Thanx for the kind words amigadave. He might get out of ICU on Sunday so we are hopeful that will happen.
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@Thread,
What if the new owner is Dick Van Dyke? Can you understand why he might want to remain anonymous? Specially now that so many members have blown this up to such a big deal.
1. He is a long time user and fan of the Amiga.
2. He is elderly and out of the "Lime Light" and I would guess would not want to be the center of attention and have his name thrown about by the likes of many members here after seeing many of the recent posts on this site.
3. He may have simply changed his mind about revealing his identity after thinking it over for a couple of weeks leading up to the ART broadcast.
4. He is one person that likely has the money to pay the asking price for the site and not have to worry about making any return on such charitable contribution to our community.
5. He would not want to make any changes to the site or have anything to do with the day-to-day operations of the site.
I have no idea if Dick Van Dyke is the new owner, but would not be surprised if my guess is correct. And if it is correct, how foolish are many of you going to feel for making such a fuss about finding out the owners identity?
Lastly, to Jens, I guess you did not see Wayne's post after Bill P.'s post that said no accounts would be deleted. I respect what you have done for the Amiga community and have half a dozen or more boxes with Individual Computers labels on them from items I have purchased that you have produced, but I do not appreciate your attempt to have the owner reveal themselves by requesting that your account be deleted and all posts that you have ever written here deleted with it.
That tactic (though thankfully declined by Wayne) seems very similar to blackmail or a veiled threat, though I am sure you will see it quite differently from your point of view.
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The simple fact is there should be NO REASON NOT TO IDENTIFY THE NEW OWNERS.
Maybe, just maybe a woman bought it. She bought it to give to her Husband as a Christmas gift and doesn't want to ruin the surprise.
And maybe, just maybe, she's a really good wife and WILL let him turn it into his own private Spanish Lesbian website.
God! Let it be my wife!!!
Can't wait till the 25th now!!!
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That tactic (though thankfully declined by Wayne) seems very similar to blackmail or a veiled threat, though I am sure you will see it quite differently from your point of view.
Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... the privacy policy (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=privacy) of amiga.org says who amiga.org is, and also suggests that deletion of accounts can be done by mailing Wayne. If amiga.org refuse to live up to their own privacy policy, who should one sue?
As I see it, the new owner is shooting himself in the foot for not being open about it, if anything it just means that many of us will simply leave. But for all I know, maybe that was the plan all along.
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Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... the privacy policy (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=privacy) of amiga.org says who amiga.org is, and also suggests that deletion of accounts can be done by mailing Wayne.
Thanks for reminding me to update the terms of service. It'll be updated shortly.
Wayne
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Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... the privacy policy (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=privacy) of amiga.org says who amiga.org is, and also suggests that deletion of accounts can be done by mailing Wayne. If amiga.org refuse to live up to their own privacy policy, who should one sue?
As Wayne's name is presently on the title deeds to A.org, people would sue him (sorry Wayne but there it is). Jens is perfectly within his rights to persue this further, even if it means going to court.
If the site is not going to uphold it's privacy policy and remove said account upon request then they are liable.
IMO Jens is in the right here and Wayne should either block access to the account or remove it forthwith.
The divisions have started, battlelines drawn and it's between 2 of the biggest names in the community - All in the name of an anonymous owner ... go figure!
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The divisions have started, battlelines drawn and it's between 2 of the biggest names in the community - All in the name of an anonymous owner ... go figure!
You realize that ALL of this is utterly bleeping moronic, right?
It's bleep like this that caused the primary reason for my desire to move away from any association with this community. While there are still several great people left in the community, by large majority, we're left with the pedants, back seat lawyers, and spoilt children who feel they have some inaliable rights to a public service.
With sincere apology, I realize I've lost all sense of civility, but frankly, there it is.
edit: Jens' account is now closed. Not deleted, but closed. Any private information from his account has been removed and he will NEVER have access to it again. The terms of service will be updated shortly. Stupidity closed.
I'm now removing myself from this thread because frankly the stupidity shown by some of you children has pissed me off. Where I thought there was intelligent life, some of you have gone out of your way to prove I was wrong. Happy now?
Wayne
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As much as I don't follow Jens' logic and regret his decision, I don't think it's fair to deny his request for deletion and change policies after he's made his request. How about changing the account's name to something anonymous and disabling login for that account? That way the account wouldn't exist any more yet we wouldn't lose any posts.
Nothing in the privacy policy states/stated any right to demand deletion of all posts - nor would even German law suggest this.
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"You realize that ALL of this is utterly bleeping moronic, right?"
Sarcasm more likely.
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I really don't know why I'm bothering to point this out to the kids, but from the Privacy Policy, ala Terms of Service;
"You may request deletion of your Amiga.org account by e-mailing wayne@amiga.org from the e-mail account listed in your account."
"YOU MAY REQUEST".
No such request has been made through e-mail. Even if it were, it is still the right of the site to deny a request.
The wording however could be, and will shortly be improved to denote such.
Wayne
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Obviously anyone may request anything from whoever. As far as common sense goes, that passage implies a right to have one's account deleted although it doesn't exactly say so.
You're splitting hairs here and as stated before, that's not fair and pretty disappointing.
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Been following this thread from the beginning and it amazes me how it just keeps going with nothing but a negative feeling. Is there no end?
Have to say though, If I'd felt strongly enough to invest in a community project I would want to be part of it. Each to there own I guess.
Enough of the negative,
@MobbyG - As a fellow broadcaster I understand you're frustration on the ART show. Think you did pretty well in the end.
@Wayne - Hope this isn't the final straw, and when it all blows over you feel like sticking around.
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The simple fact that this partly ridiculous and tedious discussion has been going on so long (too long for me) unobstructed and uncensored ensures me that we'll be able to enjoy our beloved a.org for years to come. I'm curious about what actually has happened, too - but as long as the site thrives, I can very well live with an absent owner. :)
well said :)
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Since I'm probably the only A.O member who hasn't earned a point in this thread, perhaps I should chime in!
Whoever you are, whatever the motive, thanks for keeping the site up and in good hands! Wayne's right, what does it matter who "owns" it. Isn't a site really owned by the members who take the time to participate?
Happy Holidays to all! Time for Peace on Earth and on Amiga.org!
Bob
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Perhaps it's time to do it the american way... who should one sue?
What? You are implying that the American solution to problems is to sue, and that is truly insulting... :madashell:
In fact, I believe America, and by inclusion myself, have been seriously and irreparably harmed by that statement!!!
You will be hearing from my Attorney shortly!! I will email him.. no, wait, we're meeting for lunch anyway.. oh, I've got him in slot one on my speed-dial so I'll just call...
desiv
:lol::lol::lol:
(Couldn't help it..)
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For the record, I couldn't care less who owns the site, however, not having Jens here is a serious blow to this community.
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Indivision ECS STINKS!
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Indivision ECS STINKS!
Nice review ... best you go break out the A520 modulator again then.
Be happy!
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Nice review ... best you go break out the A520 modulator again then.
Be happy!
What's the story behind your sig?
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@interwebs
Here's the raw audio...
http://www.amigaz.org/2009/11/29/art-raw-audio/
Hmmn 404 for me, where can I hear the audio?
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05 Clear Screen.
10 Wow.
20 In the interest of maintaining sanity (to all), I suggest nobody read or add anything to this thread.
30 Show some respect and patience already.
40 No reason why A.org has to be turned into some cats litter box.
50 I'm very saddened how this turned out, especially for Wayne and Jens.
60 And Tone007... c'mon - surely not so. Or was that in some kind of retaliatory faux pas? Nevermind.
70 goto line 20 and STOP ;) lol
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60 And Tone007... c'mon - surely not so. Or was that in some kind of retaliatory faux pas? Nevermind.
It's not as good as the Indivision AGA, and not just because of the lack of AGA.
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This thread is developing a nasty overtone.
If this site was ever to close down, we would all be screwed.
Let's get everything in perspective here.
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This thread is developing a nasty overtone.
If this site was ever to close down, we would all be screwed.
Let's get everything in perspective here.
Not really, we still have Amigaworld, Amigans, EAB etc.
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Not everyone feels welcome on those other forums.
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Not really, we still have Amigaworld, Amigans, EAB etc.
Not everyone feels welcome on those other forums.
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Not everyone feels welcome on those other forums.
I agree, as I am proud of my zero post count on amigaworld and don't even have a sign on for amigans.net. The level of idiocy seems to increase on both of these sites and make me feel if I posted I would soon be banned*.
Personally I couldn't give a flying F**K who owns amiga.org, Wayne has done a fantastic job especially considering he lost interest in the amiga years ago (something that I can personaly understand as i tend to drift in and out of amiga use). If the new owner doesn't want to come public that's up to him/her. I'm far more worried about the level of personal data that google collects about me than anything I've ever posted on this site.
Gaz
*especially when I've been drinking like now :)
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Until such time, flatly stated. "I'm sorry, you're wrong, thanks for playing". :)
Wayne
OK :)
Can I just point that I don't want my account closed, nor do I mind who owns Amiga.org, nor will it stop me from being an active member here.
I'm just a curious cat, so I looked up the relevant policies and presented them as I interpreted them.. since I wanted to know who the new owners were :) I tried!
Edit: Cammy, you're welcome on both. AW has a culture of people who speak their mind, however harsh their comments may be, and expect the same done back to them.. I personally try to be polite so I don't get people jumping down my throat.. but I don't mind a good argument every now and then. We all miss you on IRC too.
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Deleted.
I suggest this thread be locked as it is serving no useful purpose any longer. I think that everyone has had ample time to voice their opinions on this subject.
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this thread ... is serving no useful purpose any longer
It's serving at least one, and that is as a sad reminder to me of why I don't even look at this site much any more. I've loved spending time here over the past few years, I'm very grateful to Wayne for keeping it going for so long, and I'm glad that somebody has agreed to continue his great work. But judging by some of the responses here, I don't think I'll be bothering to come around much any more.
:cry:
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moto