It just needs a paralell port and Rombo Vidi 24 drivers ;)
Will this system be able to run :
-moviesetter
-disney animation studio
-aladdin 4d
-deluxe paint 4
-brilliance
-amos professional
please let me know !!!
Will this system be able to run :
-moviesetter
-disney animation studio
-aladdin 4d
-deluxe paint 4
-brilliance
-amos professional
please let me know !!!
There's nothing similar to AMOS for OS4 and it's unlikely to change.
Aladdin 4D works fine as it is in OS4 but the other, not sure about Movie Setter, will need to be run via UAE.
Possible other thought...
UlimatePPC /040 project...everyone complained about this ppc chip issue at the time too. (no support and "wrong" ppc chip) so it didn't happen.
But after OS4.1 is ported over to the A1222, won't that mean the UlimatePPC project
would have the support it didn't have before and we with 4000/3000 could have "NEW"
ppc /040 cards???
UlimatePPC /040 project...everyone complained about this ppc chip issue at the time too. (no support and "wrong" ppc chip) so it didn't happen.
But after OS4.1 is ported over to the A1222, won't that mean the UlimatePPC project
would have the support it didn't have before and we with 4000/3000 could have "NEW"
ppc /040 cards???
Yes, in theory, most of the huge amount of work to support the dual core P1022 would also support the single core P1013. I believe the non-standard FPU is the same for both.
Yes, in theory, most of the huge amount of work to support the dual core P1022 would also support the single core P1013. I believe the non-standard FPU is the same for both.
@rednova
-moviesetter
I don't think so, but database over compatible software is lacking.
-disney animation studio
I don't think so, but database over compatible software is lacking.
http://intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php?category=2&letter=d
My guess is that it will hard to get it working, from time to time you find a gem that works, but most often you end up with UAE, as fallback.
If only the source code was available.
-aladdin 4d
I think A-EON, has that source code, don't know who is working on it or when it going to done.
-deluxe paint 4
With a lot hacks and tricks, you can get Deluxe Paint working somehow.
You are better off using PPaint that has native AmigaOS4 version.
Or if your desperate you can run it in UAE, this might be better way.
-brilliance
No
-Amos professional
There was project called XAMOS, to make AMOS for NG Systems, sadly the developer who worked on XAMOS died unexpected. I don't know if the source code is available or not.
I started on similar project many years ago; the source is a poor state, the project sort of died because I was really just interested in getting on of old program working. So I started re implementing AMOS, but as work progressed, it did not make sense to emulate AMOS, nor did it make sense to write my program in the same way as I did back then. So the AMOS idea was abandoned, as well, as original idea to port the program as it was.
One obvious issue I run into, is that does not make sense to emulate AGA on RTG system, at cost of lower resolutions, colors, and speed. And it did not make sense to make modern AMOS, that was not compatible. I guess that is way it died, as well as fact; it was never the end goal.
Anyway if the idea is make makes it easier to make games by suing some simple commands, then there is SDL and Allegro. That do provided commands that easy to program to make games.
Well, depends on your point of view.
Ive wondered why they went with PPC instead of x86.
Ssolie's explaination when it comes to his personal intrest in the OS seems fair enough, if not very efficient.
Well, depends on your point of view.
Ive wondered why they went with PPC instead of x86.
Ssolie's explaination when it comes to his personal intrest in the OS seems fair enough, if not very efficient.
@BeOS
- BeOS failed when they tried to ship their own HW (the BeBOX)
- BeOS failed when they tried to replace MacOS as the default OS on Macs shipping at that time
- BeOS failed when they tried to take MS headon by negotiating with OEMs over shipping PCs bundled with BeOS !!!instead!!! of Windows
Be never tried to slowly build up a userbase by just shipping a good OS at a reasonable price for easy to get HW and is therefore 100% irrelevant when discussing an x86 port of any legacy OS.
this is what I found:
http://anna.amigazeux.org/detail.php?category=forum&file=0996487745.msg
"Both Beos and Linux serve as a stern warning about what happens if you try to compete with Windows on the same hardware: you become relegated to a Windows add-on product without any native software to speak of."
Well, depends on your point of view.
Ive wondered why they went with PPC instead of x86.
Ssolie's explaination when it comes to his personal intrest in the OS seems fair enough, if not very efficient.
Now, as far as I know, Hyperion only have a license for a PPC port. If they wanted to do an x86 port, they would have to re-negotiate with Amiga, Inc, and I doubt that would be successful.
Since I am also part of the anti-x86 lobby
Reason 1: Hyperion does not have a licence for x86, only for PowerPC.
I would really like to port AmigaOS 4.1 to x86.
There is no limitation to AmigaOS 4.x.
Then there are some legal issues like some licences being tied to PPC only.
The Ben Hermans quote about "some licences being tied to PPC only" most certainly refers to the licenses he has from the OS4 developers for their *new* code.
May 18, 2006 - Hans Joerg Frieden before the lawsuit while he was still spokesman for Hyperion on AW.
Source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=19063&forum=17&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#294497)
August 8, 2008 - Hans Joerg Frieden during the lawsuit:
Source (http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=23172#forumpost23172)
October 18, 2009 - Ben Hermans on settlement restrictions:
Source (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29777&forum=2&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0#514408)
June 12, 2011 - Ben Hermans after the settlement on PPC and ARM:
Source (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33800&forum=25&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0#618192)
August 9, 2014 - Well after the settlement and a theory based on the prior statements made publically by Ben Hermans:
Source (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30303&forum=2&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#738671)
Sorry about the off-topic and please try to keep comments from contractors seperate from those made by Hyperion management if you want to understand this.
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So basically in layman's terms when/if PowerPC dies then OS4 dies with it?
Is the licence for any Power ISA processor or specifically the PowerPC? Mind you, I can't see it being ported to IBM Power 8 hardware but it would be cool if it was. :)
X8000 - the workstation for the classes? You just need to make debts for it you need 20 years to repay?`:lol:
@thread
ok, folks. all of the linux/BSD/UNIX discussion has been moved here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=798932). please continue that part of your conversation in that thread, and keep this thread focused on tabor. thanks. :)
-- eliyahu
So basically in layman's terms when/if PowerPC dies then OS4 dies with it?
Is the licence for any Power ISA processor or specifically the PowerPC? Mind you, I can't see it being ported to IBM Power 8 hardware but it would be cool if it was. :)
I take no credit for this screenshot, it showed up on one of the Amiga Google+ forums:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/109112031330987449775/posts/ZsWGzzwL1f5?cfem=1
I take no credit for this screenshot, it showed up on one of the Amiga Google+ forums:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/109112031330987449775/posts/ZsWGzzwL1f5?cfem=1
That's all well and good running Linux with the whole OS and applications compiled specifically for the exact CPU and FPU.
Running OS4 on it with FPU emulation for the applications is a whole other story.
45mips and 3mflops under linux euae?
In response to the the state of things and using PPC because of past decisions; it is what it is. AmigaOS is still developed BeOS isn't.
PPC chips are available and new machines are being designed and made so it is a win of sorts.
Would Amiga companies make Amiga hardware if Hyperion supported x86/x64?
No. Would there be any money left to fund the AmiStore and 'Amiga' software development? No. Could this change in the future? Probably.
AmigaOS is still developed BeOS isn't.
Haiku does not count?
Haiku does not count?
numbers will tell the story.
Unsustainable. There is only one PPC manufacturer left for small quantities of PPC processors and the selection of embedded processors is currently limited as can be seen with the handicapped Tabor board's non-standard FPU.
During the Amiga Technologies days, that idea was considered. The backlash from the community was immediate and vehement. It would not have been a popular choice.
2. Will this run MorphOS?
No.
Hmmmm, How do you know?
Nothing is set in stone.
because he is member of the MorphOS team and knows the internal discussions?
3. Will this Tabor board out perform Sam boards?
Its great news, whats the price?
Maybe, but still, nothing is set in stone.