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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #59 from previous page: December 04, 2002, 10:22:41 AM »
DIVIDE ET IMPERA

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2002, 10:28:40 AM »
@takemehomegrandma:

Yes, I remembered just when I had already posted it. But maybe at least Ben (since it's not that far for him to Aachen) visits the fair privately?

As Thendic's statement indicates, it's really necessary for both brothers (MOS/OS4) to work together against the "enemy" both do have in common.

And with the Pegasos (with April) being the only bugfree PPC-board currently, it would really make even more sense for Eyetech to cooperate as Thendic offered to them. Otherwise both "camps on the same side" might lose against the Linux-plans of Terrasoft & Mai.

As Ralph said regarding the April-chip: "In the total scope of the computer market...sure..no big deal. But for the current ppc battlefield it is a big deal as it is a matter of Shakespeare's phrase in Hamlet."
 

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2002, 10:30:46 AM »
>DIVIDE ET IMPERA

I'd say it was a proposal for quite the opposite. Don't know the latin for THAT though  :-D

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2002, 11:30:59 AM »
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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2002, 11:43:51 AM »
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I'd say it was a proposal for quite the opposite. Don't know the latin for THAT though


How about AD NAUSEAM?

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2002, 01:18:38 PM »
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How about AD NAUSEAM?


Nah, I wouldn't say that.

Can't we agree to QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM after Aachen? ;-)

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2002, 02:44:34 PM »
ET TU BRUTUS?

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegas
« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2002, 11:43:47 PM »
Finally somebody is going to sort out this legal BS. No more thinly veiled threats. No more "we're gonna sue, we're looking into it, we're preparing legal action" BS. Lies, all of it.

Finally somebody is calling the damned cards.
 

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2015, 02:03:33 AM »
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OK, last word before Aachen Show....

The is no Mai without April.  The Articia does not work as promoted.  There.  We have said it.  Everything that has been promised for the AmigaOne and the Pegasos will not work without April -- April is *mostly* a "patch."   With April the Articia will work as advertised, without April the Articia will not.  Betatesters of the A1 and the "Betatester (Pegasos)" know that there are difficulties.  

In September and October bplan developed the "patch" with Mai.  There is no other patch for the Articia and there was no other assistance from anyone else in creating it.    This is why the Pegasos, A1 and Teron are not available in quantity and  why they will not be until the patch is mounted on the respective PCBs and shipped.  

Check out the estimated shipping dates at the YDL site.  Do you think they will get anywhere else sooner?  Where is the biggest market?  Is it MorphOS and OS4, or is it LinuxPPC?  Where do you think Mai will focus?  Not here (MorphOS/OS4)!  Our sales commitments for the first 1000 Pegasos went 817 to Linux and the rest to this community (less two for OpenBSD and two for OpenBeOS).

Mai does not care about this market.   They care about the Linux market.  They want to sell the Articia and their board.  They make chips and want to sell them.  LinuxPPC is a bigger market for them.  That will be their new focus.  We are the poor stepchild now.  Please forget all the delusions about the new Amiga or the Pegasos that will re-conquer the world when the hardware shows up.  If we want success this is going to be hard work and a long haul.

In the meanwhile, you won't have to worry about MorphOS or OS4 being pirated by someone here now.  There is a whole new world of potential users with an OpenSource/Freeware  mentality that is about to consume this market and make it more irrelevant.  This is a post-Napster world.... and Napster was only the beginning.  Individual "freedom" has replaced respect for others.  Something is wrong with this picture and it needs to be fixed, but it will not happen with dongles.

If this community wants a future it needs to start working together.  We are spending plenty of money to make the Pegasos successful, but it is not our final focus.  We are a niche market -- both OS4 and MorphOS.  We need unity if we want to be more than a lingering historical footnote.

The Mai story is not over yet.  The first patch is not enough.  We figured this out in November when Mai was scurrying back to Tiawan to make what they thought would be the final solution.  It is not.  There are more problems.  We finally solved all this a week and a half ago.  Plus, we have added a couple of other features that are better accomplished in hardware than software (and don't believe a few lines of code will make the first patch work).  If YDL sets off on their current course, they will "crash and burn" in a month after they finally introduce the product.  The Linux market is unforgiving when it comes to hardware bugs.  With all the success they will seem to achieve their liability will grow correspondingly.

Before you think this is another marketing stunt, here is something new.  We know what Eyetech pays for the Teron/A1; we know what the A1 distributors pay.  We would be willing to match the prices all around less 5% and provide an immediate solution to the community.  We make the Pegasos.  Eyetech does not.  We have many of the same distributors.  We can compensate Allan Redhouse through his success (something he is clearly about to loose with YDL Teron pricing).  Hyperion too.  Oh yes, you want to buy a G4 A1?  Wake up people!  Read the disclaimers on the YDL site.  Do you understand what needs to happen before this will?  There is a Pegasos G4 now.  The question is not how fast the processor *can* work, the issue is how fast the processor *does* work!  Let's get better organized.  We are about to be crushed.  

If we pulled eveyone together on this we might even honor those $50 coupons!  :-D

This market and community is in complete confusion.  There is no leadership or vision and we need both fast or we can forget it.  This is a public statement in good faith to Eyetech and Hyperion.  Allan and Ben are formidible marketing opponents.  We can forget the past if you can.  We need to get into the same boat.  Amiga Inc. has lost its leadership mantel.  Selling coupons, promoting unachievable concepts and making wild claims about the next deal have worn tired and false.  Fortunately, all have not blindly followed this route and Hyperion and Eyetech have a solid agreement in place that protects them in the event of Amiga Inc bankruptcy.  And, before you think this is a "group hug" thing, we have paid our King County, Washigton legal counsel a retainer.  We will commence legal action against Amiga Inc. this month.  This is not some "get legal" BS.  This is business and the Amiga Inc. management do not understand what business is.  They "blew it" and we have had enough of their interference in our future.

The whole Mai/YDL collaboration has changed the situation dramatically.   We hope this statement helps you understand this better.

We will give Hyperion a board.  We will support the A1 Betatesters as we have our own.  We don't have to trade sources or get Ralph having a beer with Ben, but we could all move ahead this way.  Eyetech can certify the Pegasos to meet Amiga specifications -- they are positioned to do this.  Hyperion and Eyetech can promote OS4.  Great.  We might even develop some collaborative efforts quickly.  We should.

Things are moving very fast.  We have alot to do.  Thanks for reading this post and please think about it carefully.  See you in Aachen!

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2015, 07:05:54 AM »
The straight man stands up and says: "So when can we expect a release?".......
 

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2015, 07:54:25 AM »
That long post has to be taken in context. Bill Buck wasn't some kind of saint trying to preserve the Amiga like comes across from just that one post. I remember all too well the things that were happening back then from both camps, and that was ultimately what put me off getting a Pegasos.

By the way, I just installed FE on my trusty A1XE yesterday (you know, the one with Articia but no April). Still working nicely, just as I like it.

(I love the fact that about 50 users who have been away from here for years have just got a notification of a thread update though! :) )
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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2015, 08:10:56 AM »
I guess BB & RV are staying as far away from the Amiga scene as possible, these days?  I think I still have one of his business cards kicking around somewhere.  He certainly was an evangelist, that's for sure!  :lol:

Edit: They still have a blog?  If I cared enough, I might google this further, lol.  ;)
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Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2015, 09:22:43 AM »
BB and RV own Power2People, the Aros bounty site.
 

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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2015, 11:26:00 AM »
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That long post has to be taken in context. Bill Buck wasn't some kind of saint trying to preserve the Amiga like comes across from just that one post. I remember all too well the things that were happening back then from both camps, and that was ultimately what put me off getting a Pegasos.

By the way, I just installed FE on my trusty A1XE yesterday (you know, the one with Articia but no April). Still working nicely, just as I like it.


No Saint indeed, but he was bang on the money on every point. (except the flawlessly bit, hence Peg2).

What put me off Pegasos (I was into Amiga hardware at the time) was simply that it didn't run AmigaOS, so I couldn't see the point back then... when I eventually tried MorphOS out on a Peg, after trying AmigaOS on A1s (se and xe) I realised my mistake and was quickly sold on it though.

Not having 'the name' back then was demonstrably a big disadvantage, and to some degree (much smaller now) still is.
How to get someone to try something they've not heard of, and think they're probably not going to like (even if it tastes as sweet as honey?)

(Ironically I found this searching for info on April... wondering whether XMOS might have been configurable to do the same job... had it been on the A1s.)

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(I love the fact that about 50 users who have been away from here for years have just got a notification of a thread update though! :) )


Maybe they'll visit and see how things have turned out. :/
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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2015, 11:31:57 AM »
BB & RV Rippping off Wayne was one of the contributing factors to  Wayne leaving the scene :(
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Re: Genesi announces completion of April (TM) chip for Pegasos
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2015, 11:37:24 AM »
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Maybe they'll visit and see how things have turned out. :/


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