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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2009, 04:11:50 AM »
You know I used to think that a FPU card with the 8 megs ram was ok. But they go so high in EBAY (espcially if you're in the USA) that it just made more sense to pay more and get the full speed and ram capabilities of an 030/50. Having 60 meg ram disk is cool..

I've owned most every Amiga, to go beyond the 030, it just doesn't make sense unless your a demo coder, pixel artist, and such.

For ImageFX just use AmigaKIT on a PC with all the old Amiga productivity apps installed, is like having a supercomputer.
 

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2009, 03:35:35 PM »
Hi Guys, thanks so much for all the posts and replies. I have told the girlfriend all the kind things you said, and she sent me out to tidy the garage :( and take the decorations down and box them up and clean the car, and put the xmass tree in the garage:(
so i dug out my old commodore 64 :)

i wont lie and say i understand everything you told me - but i have registered a copy of WHDLOAD and will soon down load it.
i will also order amiga forever - what is it?

which is easier to install and set up a flash drive or a HDD, because amigakit.co.uk will set-up a HDD for me before they ship it.
thanx guys
ps - is an 030 accelerator a ram expansion also or do i do that sepereatly?
cheers for your time and patients  
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2009, 04:36:15 PM »
Most, in fact I think all, accelerators are also ram expansions though you might need to find a ram SIMM seperately. Ebay is usually pretty good or amigakit. People on here also usually have a few lying around as spares or "just-in-case" :-D

Flash drive and HDDs are the same for setting up as far as I know. If you're not confident on doing it then get the HDD from amigakit and have him set it up for you so you can just get on with enjoying it!

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2009, 12:58:13 AM »
HI again guys, well its back to work :( but at least i have some more money coming in and its snowing:) so i may have to stay at home and play Amiga.
just a quick question. what is the difference between a 12030 and a 68030.
cheers dudes
pz
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2009, 05:51:36 AM »
I think you're a little confused. 68030 is just the type of Motorola processor Commodore used, which comes in flavors of 68000, 68020 (which came standard in 1200's), 68030, 68040, & 68060.
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2009, 01:38:37 PM »
Greetings PZ, and congratz on an interesting piece of hardware!
Calling yourself a "Newbie", I`ll treat your Q`s in a n00b-manner. ;)

"i wont lie and say i understand everything you told me - but i have registered a copy of
WHDLOAD and will soon down load it. i will also order amiga forever - what is it?"

First off, WHDLoad is an excellent way of making the A1200
play all those old games without switching off AGA-gfx etc.
It does so by emulation.
Some AGA-shoot`em-ups work better without WHDLoad though.

As you may, or may not, recall, the Amiga came in different
shapes and sizes, culminating in the A1200 and A4000T?
Those came with a tad bit faster CPU`s and better gfx,
making some old games harder to get to play ball.

Now, AmigaForever is a complete package for emulating an
Amiga-environment (Workbench, different hardware, gfx-card)
on a fairly modern pc.
Like the one I`m using right now.
It`s a windows-program package complete with Kickstart-ROM`s etc.

All I use is WinUAE atm.
That`s basically what you need to emulate Amiga.
(Together with Workbench and a copy of your A1200 KS-ROM.)

Beside me is a desktop C=Amiga1200 though, pretty much like
yours.
You could go 2 ways in expanding your A1200 (which I believe was your
initial question). :)

1. You could build it into a tower-model.
Some companies sells ready-made custom models, I`m not well
traversed in that area though.
This would give you access to some modern hardware among other perks.

2. My solution was to expand on the current desktop design.
I added an acceleratorboard (trapdoor under A1200).
It`s a Blizzard with a 030cpu, 68882 maths co-processor,
and most importantly 64Mb RAM.
I upgraded the Kickstart3.0 ROM to 3.1.
I added a larger hard-drive together with an IDE-splitter
to which i could connect an external CD-RW.
I bought AmigaOS3.9.
I then got a *compatible* PCMCIA-networkcard getting www etc.
Some PCMCIA memory cards could be used as fast harddrive solutions
as mentioned somewhere in the thread.

Now there`s hardly more room to expand on without fitting
it into a tower :)


"so i dug out my old commodore 64 :)"
Gee, I wish I still had mine, all my girlfriend do is
use my Amiga for gfx-apps and games.

The best of 2009 to you!

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2009, 10:48:33 PM »
Thanx Voyager74 and everybody else who has taken the time to welcome me in, and answer my noob quewz :)
I have been working my butt off this week doing as many hours as I can to get some money to spend on my miggy.
I want an 030/50 accelerator with as much ram as i can get. I take it i then don't need to bother with a standard ram expansion as stefcep2 has, even though this would probably suit my needs - i am getting obsessive :) . I am also going to get cables etc to link to my pc. I would also like to get a HDD with IDE splitter for CD-rom. Oh and a network card :) eventually.
 However, i am a little confused when it comes to Kickstart ROMs! is my standard A1200 Kickstart 3.0 ROM?
should I upgrade to 3.1 for gaming? what benefits will it bring?
is it a case of flashing the ROM chip like upgrading my mobo bios on my pc, or is it a hardware modification?
Also should i upgrade my OS?
I am having a lot of fun planning all this and its taken me back a few years, its brought back a lot of happy memories.
I also have you guys to thank for that too
so cheers to you
PZ
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2009, 12:57:26 PM »
Np PZ! :D

If you only went with a RAM-board upgrade, You might regret it later.
Expanding the A1200 as-is, is a bit limited.
You'd be better of with, as u mentioned, 030+FPU board.
Like the BlizzardIV or such.
I believe it takes up to 128Mb, I only use 64Mb though.

Since you have no HDD, you should be presented with a boot-up
screen that tells you which version of the KS_ROM's u have.
And no, there's no flashing option.
You open the casing and pluck out the ROM's by hand, and insert the new ones.
Upgrading your OS is not imperative, but with a CD-/DVD-ROM, a faster Miggy, and internet, getting OS3.9 would treat you with some cool stuff as part of the OS.

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2009, 02:05:23 PM »
It's sort of confusing.  

OS 3.1 can run from the usual 3.0 rom chips that most 1200s came with.  

The os was expanded with lots of extras in version OS3.5 and again in OS3.9.  Both came on CDs due to the extended improvements and enhansments.  Both require newer 3.1 rom chips.  All of the improvements (especially OS3.9) can tax a stock 1200.

AmigaKit sells 1200s with the option of newer roms (a few more dollars) or you can buy the chips and install them yourself.
 

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2009, 03:12:05 PM »
cheers guys. I am still at work at the moment but will check things out when I get home. still can't get easy adf tranfer kit to pick up my flash card . will have another experiment laters.
Oh and is an FPU card a requiremnt for retro games?
cheers for the advice chaps
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2009, 11:04:25 AM »
Hi again PZ...

No, a maths-coprocessor is *not* required to play vintage
games, not in any way.
With perhaps the exception for Doom/Hexen/Heretic (?).
An FPU usually is needed for heavier gfx/3D-apps.
Or nice to have when there are specially written versions
of an application that makes use of it.

Basically, some games would plain work if u boot the Amiga,
and hold down both mousebuttons, and disable AGA-gfx etc.
There are programs that allow you to boot up in Kickstart1.3 (Amiga500).
Many games would work with that...

But WHD-load is the safest bet to get any of those old games
to work no matter what.

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2009, 08:08:07 PM »
Hi

I'm in a very similar situation - I "discovered" my old A1200 at my mother's house at the weekend and I'm keen to get it up and running again. The analogue video (composite / rf) output died years ago, but it would always work on a VGA monitor or with the modulator from an A500.

I'm in no rush to get it all updated in one go, so I've started off by ordering a flickerfixer and 3.1 ROMS from Vesalia. If the flickerfixer sorts out my display problem, then next thing I want to do is to get a CD/DVD hooked up so I can get OS3.9.

My first question is, can anyone recommend an IDE splitter?

Ultimately I'd be looking to add a compact flash adapter as well as the HD and CD/DVD. I want to keep the PCMCIA slot free for ethernet.

I'm currently running an 030/882 accelerator, 8mb fast ram and a whopping 210mb HD, but I may consider getting an 060 in the future.

James
 

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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2009, 08:31:17 PM »
@James,
greetings dude. I want a flicker fixer also - think amigakit have new stock in,
I never had a HDD back in the day, still dont have one. next purchase before flickfix.
Pz
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2009, 08:45:19 PM »
@JimmySage

Welcome!  As you are in the UK, feel free to visit our UK Amiga store: www.amigakit.co.uk - we stock a wide range of Amiga products from flicker fixers to IDE splitters.  We also offer repairs and technical services.  Our UK office can be contacted by phone on 029 2000 6344 if you require and advice or help.
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Re: old timer returns to the A1200 and is now a NEWBIE
« Reply #28 from previous page: February 11, 2009, 08:57:54 PM »
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@JimmySage

Welcome!  As you are in the UK, feel free to visit our UK Amiga store: www.amigakit.co.uk - we stock a wide range of Amiga products from flicker fixers to IDE splitters.  We also offer repairs and technical services.  Our UK office can be contacted by phone on 029 2000 6344 if you require and advice or help.


Yes I've seen this site, and I will probably order as much as I can from you. I'm sorry I didn't see you last week, but I will use you from now on.

James