A suggestion for the new AmigaOne X1000

[gazgod]

Sorry, but I don't agree here, Ok, there's no memory protection, there's no multi-user architecture, no Posix and no "whatever fancy feature you feel a question of life & death", but I don't think average people will ever list OS features and decide what to buy.

They will, instead, ask basic questions like "will this make me surf the web without issues? will this allow me playing my videos? will this hel me with my every-day duties?" and so on. You can positively answer to all these questions even without such "modern" features, but providing the necessary applications.

With the current number of Amiga users you are right, but IF (big if i know) it became a mainstream OS the lack of modern features would make it a hackers dream. We currently have security by obscurity but without protected memory, multi-user etc writing exploitations would be fairly simple and very dangerous online.

But as for a Amiga games console, thats probably the daftest proposal I've heard in a long time, does the proposer know that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all sell there consoles at a loss relying on licensing software to generate income, the complete opposite to hyperions business model which is overpriced hardware and no software.

Gaz

[zylesea]

I think if the new Amiga is to be a succsess i would suggest that just like when the first A1000 came out back in 1985, the new Amiga must be GROUND BREAKING, not just a machine which can run OS4 etc...

They should design a games console, but more powerful than the Playstation3 or Xbox360 with better processing power, better graphics hardware etc...

This is dreaming. Those hobby, few ppl, low budget wannabe companies in Amigaland don't even have remotely the resourses to do so.
My stance on how a ppc Amigaish computer would have a slight chance to sustain its business would be to do a low cost, low power uptake, tiny system.
A G4 1200-1500MHz compares in overall performance quite good to an Atom. The Freescale 8610 would be the ideal basis for such an effort. Woud probably be a bit more expensive than an Atom based design, but if done right, not several *magnitudes* more expensive. And for sure it wouldn't change the IT world, but I would be pretty confident, there would be a fair chance it sustainable on the market.
Unfortunately A-eon chose the expensive route and thus pretty much a dead end. Amiga today is today not about high end (defenitely not), but about hobby, liking all those little differences, preference or simply being used to (as long time Amiga user). Of course there are ppl willing to spend serious money for that, but probably not enough to sustain a business on it. By targetting the hobby crowd (say a new system in Atom/Mac mini G4 class for 250 EUR) I am sure quite some maschines could be sold.

[tone007]

My suggestion (not very original, I know): Integrated Minimig!

[persia]

Yep, the only thing protecting OS/4 from viruses and worms galore is obscurity.  Remove that and you've got the perfect host.  Fortunately there's really no danger of that....

With the current number of Amiga users you are right, but IF (big if i know) it became a mainstream OS the lack of modern features would make it a hackers dream. We currently have security by obscurity but without protected memory, multi-user etc writing exploitations would be fairly simple and very dangerous online.

But as for a Amiga games console, thats probably the daftest proposal I've heard in a long time, does the proposer know that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all sell there consoles at a loss relying on licensing software to generate income, the complete opposite to hyperions business model which is overpriced hardware and no software.

Gaz

[kolla]

Sorry, but I don't agree here, Ok, there's no memory protection, there's no multi-user architecture ... will this make me surf the web without issues?

Exactly - and there you are. Without memory protection and ability to set different security levels (aka "multiuser) there will be issues with "surf the web". Seriously, one cannot recommend any Amiga system for banking or whatever, since any application on the machine can read the memory of the browser and dig out whatever info they want.

[gazgod]

Exactly - and there you are. Without memory protection and ability to set different security levels (aka "multiuser) there will be issues with "surf the web". Seriously, one cannot recommend any Amiga system for banking or whatever, since any application on the machine can read the memory of the browser and dig out whatever info they want.

And also any rouge web session has access to the the entire system memory and storage.

It will be interesting if timberwolf is susceptible to firefox exploits that are out there. I for one wouldn't save any passwords within it and probably wouldn't use it with any authenticated session. But as I no longer have any OS4 systems its purely theoretical.

Gaz

[tone007]

since any application on the machine can read the memory of the browser and dig out whatever info they want.

Shhh, that's how Hyperion plans to pay for all those X1000 boards.

[Hell Labs]

Assuming that they didn't care about backwards compatibility, how hard would it be to add memory protection? Is it a case of lacking manpower or are there actual design problems preventing it?

[hbarcellos]

hmmmmmmmm, instead of a suggestion, I have a question?
If those AMD k6-2-400 comparable sam440ep boxes cost ~1.000 euros, the new X1000 (that possible can be compared to a Pentium D) would cost how much?

[gazgod]

hmmmmmmmm, instead of a suggestion, I have a question?
If those AMD k6-2-400 comparable sam440ep boxes cost ~1.000 euros, the new X1000 (that possible can be compared to a Pentium D) would cost how much?

Maybe a k6 400 is a bit on the low side (I haven't seen any comparison benchmarks), but I doubt the 440 could keep up with a equivalent speed Celeron let alone a P3.
As we don't know what CPU is going to be on the X1000 (many have speculated) its difficult to guess but if i had to put money on it I'd say the Pentium D will runs ring around it.

As for price, my guess is £1200-£1500 (1950-2400 USD). But having owned a Sam and experienced the quality of OS4 I certainly won't be buying one anytime soon at any price.

Gaz

[persia]

A new advertising campaign -

Sam 440ep almost as powerful as an iPod touch but free of useful software

It would be very sneaky to go for honesty!

[amiga92570]

A new advertising campaign -

Sam 440ep almost as powerful as an iPod touch but free of useful software

It would be very sneaky to go for honesty!

Terrific, where can I get one?:drink:

[dougal]

I made that suggestion because i see it pointless spending so much money just to buy a system which ONLY has an OS to offer and nothing else. No apps, no games NOTHING! Well not nothing but not much.

It would be much more of a worthwhile system if it has a few killer apps and maybe at least just to start with one or two decent games which have some sort of name and not something unheard of.

[gazgod]

I made that suggestion because i see it pointless spending so much money just to buy a system which ONLY has an OS to offer and nothing else. No apps, no games NOTHING! Well not nothing but not much.

It would be much more of a worthwhile system if it has a few killer apps and maybe at least just to start with one or two decent games which have some sort of name and not something unheard of.

Agreed, If Hyper-ron really want to push the Amiga they need to invest in the applications to run on it. Whether that is funding developers to to port required software to AmigaOS (eg open office), or coming up with software on there own and marketing it independently from the OS (and I don't mean 10 year old PC games). Granted initially they won't see any return on investment but it depends on whether their business plan is to sell a few boards and copies of the OS, or to develop a computer platform.

Gaz

[Flashlab]

I made that suggestion because i see it pointless spending so much money just to buy a system which ONLY has an OS to offer and nothing else. No apps, no games NOTHING! Well not nothing but not much.

So, now you have finally figured out that the AmigaOne X1000 will never be a mainstream system. Question you need to ask yourself is whether you find it worthwhile to buy one for yourself. And I guess you know already...

[dj.echo]

I have read all and a lot but every one is missing the point look at 500 and the 1200 it is not a pc it was never meant to be so why does every one
try to make it look like one it was ahead of its time it all ways was one board that is where it should all start one board invent its own custom chip for graphics sound and processing every one who took over the Amiga just wanted to make quick cash didn't bring much new to the table the Minimig is the way to go but should made to act like a 1200 not a 600
just think you can put the 1200 on one chip your os 4 on a new chip but for the home one board if i wont some thing that looks like a pc i will get a pc and most of the big game houses started life on the the Amiga but thy wont the only things thy remember is $£ that's it at one point Sony where looking to buy the Amiga what if what if ..? i have £1.0000 the Passion just need the teck .... i have worked for psygnosis sony i used to make demos years ago still use the amiga to make music now and yes a pc to
the clue is in the name
any way rant dun www.soundclick.com/ensuk :afro: