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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: CBMer on February 04, 2008, 02:19:40 AM
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Greetings all:
Following a couple of years very active in the professional and general User Group community, I joined Commodore in the late 1980's and played a key role out of headquarters. But this was all in the pro arenas, which unfortunately was never as visible to the consumer user base nor the general public.
But there was a LOT of action, including real wins at the time. At one point independent research (Sheer & Chaskelson) reported that we had achieved #1 status (real units sold) in 7 Professional markets/categories. These, of course, included Graphics, Animation, Video and Multimedia segments.
I have... well, a bunch of stuff from those days. This includes some very unique, special items and some of the "insider" materials and memorabilia. I'm going first to the existing Amiga User/Enthusiast Community, before the stuff hits eBay.
Anyone might be interested?
Cheers,
Christopher
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Anyone might be interested?
Does a Bear s*** in the woods? :-D
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Anyone might be interested?
Uh, Yeah!?!
I don't have any money to invest but would love to see a webpage or article with nice photos and descriptions along with your recollections of the items. It would be a great thing to add to the history of Commodore!
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As it happens, I am contacting some of the persons stewarting some existing Amiga History sites and the like to discuss doing something like that.
Ironically, I'd attempted to contact Amiga, Inc. some time ago to offer some of the stuff to them... and they weren't interested. Go figure.
I'll post here as any manifest progress is made.
Thanks for your interest!
Cheers,
Christopher
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@CBMer,
Yea, The current Amiga Inc is not interested in anything that has to do with the real Amiga what so ever. This includes its history....
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I'm sure that a lot of us are interested. How about some details?
-Nyle :-D
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Any chance you've got the Hedley Davis Memorial Disk Drive featured in Dave Haynie's Deathbed Vigil? It would be great to see if that made it out of West Chester :-)
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I am also interested in some historical goodies. I already have one of the few A2200 motherboards (at least I think their are only a few) - adding some interesting tidbit will be fun!
You can contact me at douglas@tdscomputer.com
(I also have a Commodore branded calculator from the late '70's, too!)
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Amazing!! - A carrot get`s "Dangled" & everyone starts wearing "Buck Teeth". :-D
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A CBM management type person! Quick! Burn him! :-D
(Ofcourse I'm just kidding, what with upper management smurfs like Ali and Gould often being blamed partly for C='s downfall and all)
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@CBMer
Of course we're interested, but you should know we're a skepticle bunch. Do you have a list and pictures of items?
@Kin-Hell
Well there's so few things to get excited about these days, it doesn't take much anymore.
Plaz
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A CBM management type person! Quick! Burn him!
Sounds more like a sales rep if I had to guess. They always get all the cool souvenirs. :-)
Plaz
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hell ya :-D what ya got ;-)
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I have... well, a bunch of stuff from those days. This includes some very unique, special items and some of the "insider" materials and memorabilia. I'm going first to the existing Amiga User/Enthusiast Community, before the stuff hits eBay. Anyone might be interested?
Oh hell yes :-o
I run cdtv.org.uk (http://www.cdtv.org.uk) (Yeah its out of date, I will get around to updating it soon) so anything CDTV specific is of great interest to me. Im also always after rare late generation stuff (Zorro 3 era) but hey anything interesting. :)
(I already have a CDTV CR, unpopulated A4KT's, cdtv prototype and a load of internal CDTV docs)
Anyhow, looking forward to the list :D
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wow that hits close to home. I am from the Philadelphia area and pass through west chester, PA all the time.
I used to take trips to GVP in KOP to pick up ram chips for my A530 many moons ago.
i like reading inside stories, especially about CBM so that alone with be fun to hear about.
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@CBMer
I'll take the CD32 Full Motion Video card.................I know you must have one ;-)
But seriously....I am an Amiga psycho enthusiast to the 3rd power.
Tell us what you got!
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Oh, come on. This guy is just another scam artist trying to make a quick buck.....and Americans never start a message with "Greetings all" and end a message with "Cheers". He could be a transplant though, but I doubt it.
Anonymous, former West Chester big executive, who worked at the headquarters in the pro arena! Bah! What a load of crap! If he really had anything worth buying, and was legit, he'd be well known, not hide his identity and tell you exactly what he was selling. This is like some guy in a trench coat on the street corner trying to sell me "real Rolex" watches.
His user ID is one day old with a grand total of 2 posts. Yeah, real active in the Amiga community....NOT!
BTW, I hear he also has beach-front property located in Arizona that will be auctioned on eBay along with his "insider" materials and memorabilia.
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@ ferrellsl
Oh, come on. I'm getting sick of newcomers to the scene getting blasted as scam artists right out of the gate. It happened, completely undeservedly, to Dennis and the Minimig, and again to the guy who leaked the files to boot OS4 on the MacMini (though the legality/morality of that action is a matter of dispute). Ultimately, both items turned out to be real and functional.
So let the guy make his case. If he does turn out to be talking nonsense, you'll have wasted a few minutes reading a thread, nothing more. I welcome the possibility of learning something about the platform's history.
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@Matt_H
Make a case? This isn't a court. And comparing this guy to Dennis and the Minimig is ludicrous. Dennis wasn't trying to sell anything nor hide his identity. He told us who he was and what he was doing and offered his work to the community.
This isn't about a history lesson. It's about a guy who wishes to keep his identity hidden while at the same time hawking hardware, software and memorabilia. This guy is either Bill McEwen or he really DID work at CBM/Amiga Inc. and learned quite well from Bill! :-D
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@ferrellsl
No connection?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=commodore+Christopher+Kohler
If this is he, then after being snubbed by AI and thinking I'd found the true community, I'd be a little disheartened.
You?
#6
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OK,
Even if this guy is on the level, most of this stuff will get snapped up by the likes of Doomy and the other dealers, who will up the margin by 300% then try and sell it back to us.
@CBMer
Why not put some of this stuff on Amibay instead of Ebay? At least Amibay doesn't allow traders, is run by committed Amiga sceners and isn't an auction site. That way, the main scene might have a chance to get stuff at reasonable prices.
http://www.amibay.net or http://www.amibay.org or even http://www.amibay.co.uk
Cheers
WTF
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Do you have any Commodore stock certificates?
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@number6
What happened to all your posts and your famous logo?
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@weirdami
What happened to all your posts and your famous logo?
Heh! I never added my avatar here.
The pessimistic view: "I'm lazy".
The optimistic view: "I'm saving bandwidth"
#6
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@ ferrellsl
His name is in his profile. And his first post. And so's his email address. I'm not sure I'd call that hiding.
@ number6
...Although that's probably a different guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kohler) in your Google link.
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Now any chip masks would be "quite" useful..
Or any serious schematic of the chipsets.
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What is a Commodore stock certificate worth?
weirdami wrote:
Do you have any Commodore stock certificates?
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@AmigaMark
As much as I'm hoping to have to pay for it. :-P
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Too many posts to Quote..I`d be here all night, but all the same, I am absolutely crying at some of the posts in here!
"Burn Him" had me crying from the start & "Well there's so few things to get excited about these days, it doesn't take much anymore", just killed me! :lol:
Then there are the real skeptical ones making remarks like, "Oh, come on. This guy is just another scam artist trying to make a quick buck....."
Hey, Christopher, do your best m8y, whatever! :-D
Meantime, how about the Wolves on this Forum just back off a bit & take a break. Kitty-Kats are over on your Right flank! ;-)
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Let's at LEAST give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually does something that could even remotely be fraudulent, like say, an actual sale offer! What's it hurt us if he turns out to be a fraud and says he's going to sell us something and then never takes anyone's money???
AND, I have been known to use colourful phrases like Greetings All, and Cheers, and certainly I am no Brit! (despite my last name)
Besides, I would gladly shake the hand of any former C='er, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
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AMC258 wrote:
Let's at LEAST give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually does something that could even remotely be fraudulent, like say, an actual sale offer! ...
Besides, I would gladly shake the hand of any former C='er, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Just opensource the chipmasks, I still don't believe they are gone, so put them on Aminet :-D
Oh and some people @ Commodore/Amiga I wish to put my fist into them faces, back in the day. I'm over it now though, but we'll never be friends :lol:
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LOL! Believe me, I'm... "sensitive" to the issue! '-)
Even worse [is it safe to say yet?] I was a ... marketing exec...
Yeah, I sure took some lumps, before and after that gig. But the fact is, our team was doing really well during our tour of duty. That's why I want to add some scoop to the record and fill in some of the history. But, again, we were in the pro verticals, not consumer. Ironically, the consumer segments shot the most spitballs at us, even as we were making great wins at the time!
But those top dogs DID cut us off at the knees eventually, which DID effectively drain all the lifeblood out of everything we'd managed to get going. So much so, that I went public as something of a turncoat afterward. But that's another rollicking tale for some other time. '-)
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At the ugly end, I was invited to jump ship at the Amiga Pro Group and join up with the CDTV gang. I declined. I was pretty deeply entrenched in the realm of various pro markets/communities and applications, personally, and figured I'd stay my course then... even if it led right outa' the door at West Chester and back into the the larger fray. Which is exactly what happened.
I don't think I've got any CDTV hardware around, but I may have some documents and collaterals, if that would be any interest to you.
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weirdami wrote:
Do you have any Commodore stock certificates?
I Do! :-o
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ferrellsl wrote:
Oh, come on. This guy is just another scam artist trying to make a quick buck.....
His user ID is one day old with a grand total of 2 posts. Yeah, real active in the Amiga community....NOT!
BTW, I hear he also has beach-front property located in Arizona that will be auctioned on eBay along with his "insider" materials and memorabilia.
LOL. OK Grumpy, will you eat your words if I turn out to be a Real McCoy?
After that slam, you owe me. '-)
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ferrellsl wrote:
Oh, come on. This guy is just another scam artist trying to make a quick buck.....and Americans never start a message with "Greetings all" and end a message with "Cheers". He could be a transplant though, but I doubt it.
Anonymous, former West Chester big executive, who worked at the headquarters in the pro arena! Bah! What a load of crap! If he really had anything worth buying, and was legit, he'd be well known, not hide his identity and tell you exactly what he was selling. This is like some guy in a trench coat on the street corner trying to sell me "real Rolex" watches.
His user ID is one day old with a grand total of 2 posts. Yeah, real active in the Amiga community....NOT!
BTW, I hear he also has beach-front property located in Arizona that will be auctioned on eBay along with his "insider" materials and memorabilia.
You are entitled to your opinion and are allowed the right to be skeptical, however your tone is that of a personal attack which is against Amiga.org TOS.
As for a personal point of view, I understand why you would be sleptical. We have had our long string of hoaxes and frauds. However, if we runoff every single person because we refuse to believe they are who they say they are, we will lose good people. Innocent until proven guilty.
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I guess this is somewhat on-topic here. Someone is selling an alleged Commodore 64 Prototype serial #21 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-64-Computer-very-low-serial-number-21-Works_W0QQitemZ300197399788QQihZ020QQcategoryZ74945QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on eBay. Dave Haynie has stated he believes it is probably real.
@Christopher
If you have rare items to sell, now may be a good time. The market seems receptive.
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@CBMer
But that's another rollicking tale for some other time. '-)
Or put it in a book. It might do well. :-)
I don't think I've got any CDTV hardware around, but I may have some documents and collaterals, if that would be any interest to you.
Hardware will always bring the most attention, but then there's folks like me who will be interested in things like docs, manuals, flyers, poster......
I look forward to a list (and pics?)
Plaz
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AmigaMark wrote:
What is a Commodore stock certificate worth?
Probably a few bucks on eBay, not much more. Probably plenty of this useless paper out there, unless most holders disposed of it after C= bankruptcy. Hard to say what the market would bear on eBay until someone tries selling one, I have not seen any lately. I'd guess, not much. Maybe a few dollars.
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I don't think I've got any CDTV hardware around, but I may have some documents and collaterals, if that would be any interest to you.
Documents are great, on anything Amiga!
Even just CATS stuff would be nice. :)
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number6 wrote:
@ferrellsl
No connection?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=commodore+Christopher+Kohler
If this is he, then after being snubbed by AI and thinking I'd found the true community, I'd be a little disheartened.
You?
Nope, just a tragic coincidence! '-)
OK, folks, I just uploaded a pic of some identifying and maybe "credentialing" materials. Take a look and let me know if that works for you.
It's in the Miscellaneous Amiga Items section, titled: CBMer ...
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AMC258 wrote:
Let's at LEAST give him the benefit of the doubt until he actually does something that could even remotely be fraudulent ...
AND, I have been known to use colourful phrases like Greetings All, and Cheers, and certainly I am no Brit! (despite my last name)
Man, aren't ANY of you guys old enough to have started out online during the BBS era and early Usenet? "Cheers" was de rigeur sign-off!!!!
And there WAS no "worldwide web".
Now if I'd said something like "Cheerios" you could get out the mushy tomatoes.
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CBMer wrote:..
It's in the Miscellaneous Amiga Items section, titled: CBMer ...
Maybe I'm blind but where is that? :-D
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Krusher wrote:
Just opensource the chipmasks, I still don't believe they are gone, so put them on Aminet :-D
I may need some help. I've got a big box of old disks... with a TON of stuff on 'em. Can't guarantee all what, though, or that they've all magnetically survived all the years. But I'M not going to spend the time checking them all, either. Are you volunteering?
Oh and some people @ Commodore/Amiga I wish to put my fist into them faces, back in the day. I'm over it now though, but we'll never be friends :lol:
Hey, gimme a chance...
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CBMer wrote:
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I may need some help. I've got a big box of old disks... with a TON of stuff on 'em. Can't guarantee all what, though, or that they've all magnetically survived all the years. But I'M not going to spend the time checking them all, either. Are you volunteering?
I don't even have a real Amiga (well, yet) but shure, send them over to Holland or get me a ticket to the States :lol:
Hey, gimme a chance...
Unless you are Irvin Gould or that other man I refuse to type his name, you are good with me :-D
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CBMer wrote:
I may need some help. I've got a big box of old disks... with a TON of stuff on 'em. Can't guarantee all what, though, or that they've all magnetically survived all the years. But I'M not going to spend the time checking them all, either. Are you volunteering?
If no one in the States comes forward, and you are absolutely stuck I'll volunteer to archive these disks. Hopefully, though, someone in the States with the wisdom to handle these disks carefully & actually know what they are looking at on them (old developer files, I assume) will come forward. I'm in Canada.
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Krusher wrote:
Maybe I'm blind but where is that? :-D
Uh... Main Menu Bar: "IMAGES"
Then from the Images Section List page: "MISCELLANEOUS AMIGA IMAGES"
But... I just checked there... and don't see it. Does the Moderator approve before posting there?
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Krusher wrote:
I don't even have a real Amiga (well, yet) ...
Oh. How would you like THE A3000 that was onstage at the Gala New Product Launch at the New York Palladium, that was unveiled on a pedastel with music/light show and used to demo the A3000 and AmigaDOS 2.0? (I think I've also got a video of the event. There was also a Secret about that event, which I'll probably be spilling the beans about... any day now.)
but shure, send them over to Holland or get me a ticket to the States :lol:
If that's your real picture, I just might send that ticket.
'-)
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Yes. You have to wait for the picture to be approved
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CBMer wrote:
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Oh. How would you like THE A3000 that was onstage at the Gala New Product Launch at the New York Palladium...
Now that would be a museumworthy Amiga :-o
But I have an A3000 reserved, thats more then enough, but thanks for the offer :-D
Ohhh and secrets... I love them, especially if they are told :lol:
If that's your real picture, I just might send that ticket.
'-)
If I was her, that ticket wouldn't be necessary, as she lives in LA, besides she's married :cry:
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Man, aren't ANY of you guys old enough to have started out online during the BBS era and early Usenet?
Sure we are. Compuserv, later usenet, fido and Qlink.
Remember Qlink? :-)
Plaz
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@CBMer
Do former stock holders (I had 300 shares) get first dibs? :lol: :-D
jerry
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@CBMer: Marketing you say? Remember Bill Twyman?
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I'm going first to the existing Amiga User/Enthusiast Community, before the stuff hits eBay.
Did I miss the list you posted? What all stuff do you have?
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Did I miss the list you posted? What all stuff do you have?
He said he had posted some pics in the Misc section of images gallery here. They've not been approved yet when I checked a few minutes ago.
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?c=16
Plaz
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Plaz wrote:
Did I miss the list you posted? What all stuff do you have?
He said he had posted some pics in the Misc section of images gallery here. They've not been approved yet when I checked a few minutes ago.
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?c=16
Plaz
There are no pictures pending approval :-?
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I thought those pictures were supposed to be proof of his authenticalness anyway, not of what he was selling.
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@redrumloa
Methinks a "guilty" verdict is in order. Guilty of not posting pics or info regarding his sale items anyway.
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There are no pictures pending approval :-?
Hmmmm..... hopefully it's only a lack of time or technical problem.
Plaz
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Plaz wrote:
There are no pictures pending approval :-?
Hmmmm..... hopefully it's only a lack of time or technical problem.
Plaz
CBMer seems to be 100% "professional", so I'm sure we'll see the pics shortly. ;-)
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He says he tried to contact AI. What about Tulip?
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@CBMer
One of these guys tried to warn you, an ugly bunch at times here. But hope you'll let us know, very interesting.
In the day I'd go pick up my 'COMPUTE!' magazine at the grocery store and spend all Sat. punching in code to get some game to run on my Vic-20. A true geek, and I loved it. Even the debugging of my typos. Soon... it would work! And then I would modify it! Great era. Some had WWII, Others Woodstock. We got the home computer.
LOL!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compute!
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I'd be happy to post on my site: VintageAmiga.com.
Always looking for some fresh content -- especially one providing a unique perspective.
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Did I miss the list you posted? What all stuff do you have?
Not yet, no. Still chipping away at it. Guessing that people want a lot of pics I was thinking of putting up a web page or the like and do a notice with a link. Yes?
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downix wrote:
@CBMer: Marketing you say? Remember Bill Twyman?
No, I don't. Should I?
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There are no pictures pending approval :-?
No? Well, I just did it again. Is it there now?
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weirdami wrote:
I thought those pictures were supposed to be proof of his authenticalness anyway, not of what he was selling.
Exactly. And I suppose the materials pictured have their CBM corporate memorabilia nature, too. '-)
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CBMer wrote:
downix wrote:
@CBMer: Marketing you say? Remember Bill Twyman?
No, I don't. Should I?
Former sales Commodore Canada, also a very good friend. That gives me an idea as to which time period you were with CBM.
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CBMer wrote:
There are no pictures pending approval :-?
No? Well, I just did it again. Is it there now?
There is one picture already approved HERE (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2413=38). Did you submit multiple, or just one? Anyhow great picture! Please don't take it personally that some have grilled you for no apparent reason. There is a long history in the Amiga community of frauds, scams, hoaxes, vaporware and other nefarious behaviour It has become acceptable to reject reject everything until proof is given. HERE (http://www.amiga.org/userinfo.php?uid=11822) is a perfect example of an impersonation.
@all
Those of you giving this gentlman a hard time, I think an apology is in order.
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Ooooo! Business Cards! Can I Haz? 8)
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downix wrote:
Ooooo! Business Cards! Can I Haz? 8)
Haven't we had enough drama with Amiga business cards already? :lol:
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Plaz wrote:
... Compuserv, later usenet, fido and Qlink.
Remember Qlink? :-)
Oh yeah, and the WELL, Prodigy, Delphi, GEnie, etc.
By the way, my dad used to work on the Pink Panther cartoons.
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Did you submit multiple, or just one?...
Please don't take it personally that some have ...
There is a long history in the Amiga community of frauds, scams, hoaxes, vaporware and other nefarious behaviour ...
Hey, no prob. I was in Commodore marketing, after all. Had to really thicken skin. '-)
No, I'd just sent the one pic, but had seemed to have succeeded at it a few hours earlier.
So imposters abound in the Amiga scene? Who'da thunk that anyone would make something like that one of their hobbies?
So, okay -- let's play. Now that I've shown you the pic of materials, how does that prove anything about me actually being that guy? I'm sure the paranoid among you have already craftily been harboring that doubt, eh?
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Right, you could have got that anywhere. The best way to prove who you are would be to come up with A4000T's New in box for everybody. Or, you could show us your PA drivers license from back then. Appropriate parts fuzzed out of course...
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Haven't we had enough drama with Amiga business cards already? :lol:
I guess when you did your Search check on me you used only the web, huh?
Moving right along...
http://urltea.com/2pnq
http://urltea.com/2pnw
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CBMer wrote:
Haven't we had enough drama with Amiga business cards already? :lol:
I guess when you did your Search check on me you used only the web, huh?
Haha, no, that was actually a reference to a more recent episode concerning the identity of executives in a recent incarnation of Amiga, Inc. Just a joke of little importance :-)
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@ CBMer
I challenge you to post some of your stuff on Amibay, it's a members-only trading site with no Ebay fees (except for Paypal being an approved payment method).
Amibay is a dedicated Amiga and retro trading site and Traders aren't allowed, if you auction your stuff on Ebay all that will happen is that you will play right into the hands of Traders who will outbid us all and then charge insane amounts for "rare" stuff, there are enough posts about Doomy on here to back this claim up.
What have you got to lose by doing this?
:)
WTF
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@CBMer
By the way, my dad used to work on the Pink Panther cartoons.
Cool, I've been a PinkPanther fan since I was small. Now my own small kids enjoy it too. I use this icon as I like the panther and play music. So any chance of seeing any cartoon memorabilia too?
Just a stab at a guess.... is your dad music composer Michael Kohler?
Plaz
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I'm sure the paranoid among you have already craftily been harboring that doubt, eh?
Beleive it or not, there have been enough episodes of false claims and spoofed identities around here that gernerally many of us assume we're having our leg pulled until proven otherwise. Don't take it personally.
Plaz
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Cool, a real live ex-Commodore employee. Howdy.
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CBMer wrote:
So, okay -- let's play. Now that I've shown you the pic of materials, how does that prove anything about me actually being that guy? I'm sure the paranoid among you have already craftily been harboring that doubt, eh?
No it is not a slam dunk making you the guy, but it should be enough to give you the benefit of doubt IMO. most fakes and scammers never provide any proof. Usually quite lazy.
Here are some prior fakes:
I-Win (http://web.archive.org/web/20000204143944/www.iwin-corp.de/enmain/enmain.html)
That is not the oldest pages, they must have been removed from the archive. In the late 90's this hoax/fraud actually got mainstream news attention like THIS (http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/08/16/amiga_developer_in_talks/).
Vaporware list HERE (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29050).
Garry Hare Amiga CEO or not business card (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/photo.php?lid=970) scandal. This guy was handing out cards calling himself CEO and Amiga Inc later denied it in a press release. Infighting in the Kommunity got very nasty over this issue. Really, you'd have to be there to know why. Anyhow the card turned out to be true and the guy was handing them out. The current Amiga Inc is the worst offender concerning nefarious activites.
There is plenty more, too much to list. I havn't even touched on the scams that people lost money on. Grapevine LLC investment requests a few years back. pre-orders galore on products that never shipped like BoXeR (1-3 thousand dollars per scammed person), CyberStormG3/G4 & BlizzardG3/G4 (about $1,000 each person). Amiga Inc Coupon and Party Pack infamous promotions.. I will leave that there..
Just make yourself at home, we are happy to have you.
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redrumloa wrote:
HERE (http://www.amiga.org/userinfo.php?uid=11822) is a perfect example of an impersonation.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Whatever happened to good ole Ted Danson? :lol:
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CBMer, care to tell us about the last days of Commodore from a Marketing guy perspective? (and the aftermath must have been killing you guys!)
Back in the day it was still a Hippy culture, well after seeing the Deadbed Vigal video, it looks that way, did it affect the marketing department? And did you encountered Mehdi Ali? What was he like? All we know of him is that he was the person who killed the company. Hired by Irvin Gould that is.
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WotTheFook wrote:
I challenge you to post some of your stuff on Amibay...
What have you got to lose by doing this?
WTF
"Challenge" me? That seems like a curious way to put an invitation for me to do so. '-)
What have I got to lose by doing that? Well, as you just explained it, apparently a LOT of big bucks!
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Just a stab at a guess.... is your dad music composer Michael Kohler?
No, writer/cartoonist/animator/editor Carl Kohler.
Anyone remember CARtoons?
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Hmmm, Doomy gets banned again, then two days later...?
:popcorn:
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No, writer/cartoonist/animator/editor Carl Kohler.
Ah. The other Kohler is credited with music for serveral different cartoons so I took a chance.
Anyone remember CARtoons?
HotRod CARtoons? Barely. I never read them, but a couple of friends did back in the 70's.
I do however remember "Quackodile Tears (1962)" very well. :-)
Plaz
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Plaz wrote:
I do however remember "Quackodile Tears (1962)" very well. :-)
Plaz
1962 - Bloody good year tbh! ....But "Quackodile Tears" :lol:
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CBMer wrote:
Greetings all:
I have... well, a bunch of stuff from those days. This includes some very unique, special items and some of the "insider" materials and memorabilia. I'm going first to the existing Amiga User/Enthusiast Community, before the stuff hits eBay.
Anyone might be interested?
Cheers,
Christopher
Can we stop arguing over his identity and concentrate on what he's got to sell... 87 posts and we still don't know.
CBMer, please post again when the stuff hits Ebay.
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I agree, it doesn't matter what his story is, he can be the devil (Bill) himself for all I care. Show us the goods!!!!
:rtfm:
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CBMer wrote:
Anyone remember CARtoons?
Yes. I love cartoons.
Thanks for joining amiga.org. It's nice and quite interesting to see someone from CBM.
Oh and welcome!
Fester
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Commodore "Marketing" employee? Isnt that why C= went under was because of marketing...or actually a lack of?
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TheMagicM wrote:
Commodore "Marketing" employee? Isnt that why C= went under was because of marketing...or actually a lack of?
..yes, but IMHO it was the bad marketing strategy in the TOP level.. "CBMer" was just a local marketing executive, and was quite successful in that area as he wrote..
..btw I still miss here a list of the bunch of things he his going to sell.. :roll: ;-)
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@ CBMer
I meant for you to post some of this stuff on a NON-auction site with a stated price, to give some of the people who don't have deep pockets a chance.
You must have some idea of the value of your items, to comment the way you are, it's like you are trying to drive the price up without actually putting anything up for sale.
At the end of the day. it's your call.....
WTF
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@ CBMer
I meant for you to post some of this stuff on a NON-auction site with a stated price, to give some of the people who don't have deep pockets a chance.
You must have some idea of the value of your items, to comment the way you are, it's like you are trying to drive the price up without actually putting anything up for sale.
At the end of the day. it's your call.....
And put some pictures on here as well...
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WotTheFook wrote:
I meant for you to post some of this stuff on a NON-auction site with a stated price, to give some of the people who don't have deep pockets a chance.
You must have some idea of the value of your items, to comment the way you are, it's like you are trying to drive the price up without actually putting anything up for sale.
Man, some of you guys are sure cranky.
I was just doing some hanging out with some of you, too.
I just sold a 1084S to a guy tonight for $20. Pristine condition. Did I rip him off?
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@CMBer
You have (now) 21 posts and your tread has made near 100 replys, all you have managed to do is post a picture of some business cards, whit someones name on. Which you claim to be you.
We just want hard proof.
Pictures of what you got to sell and a list. If you got any.
Man, some of you guys are sure cranky.
Yes, read the history. And you will figure out why people are cranky....
I just sold a 1084S to a guy tonight for $20. Pristine condition. Did I rip him off?
Pictures? or perhaps the person who purchased it can verify it....?
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CBMer wrote:
Man, some of you guys are sure cranky.
I was just doing some hanging out with some of you, too.
I just sold a 1084S to a guy tonight for $20. Pristine condition. Did I rip him off?
Imagine trying to do business in such an environment. Some people have become true trolls. We even color code them for clarification.
And that seems a pretty fair price for one.
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Imagine trying to do business in such an environment. Some people have become true trolls. We even color code them for clarification.
And that seems a pretty fair price for one.
Man, at least it makes for a handy list of who NOT to sell to! '-)
I've just been going through things a little at a time. I'm preparing for a move, which means dealing with everything, not just this. And if folks want pics and descriptive lists, well...
And I've heard from some people in email, including possible "lot" purchasers.
Here's just the list of a box of some software I went through the other night;
• P.O.W. [light gun compatible] by Actionware
• BOING! The Game by Micro Momentum
The game was written in dedication to the classic Boing Ball demo, which was coded by Amiga pioneers RJ Mical, Sam Dicker and Dale Luck during a break at the 1984 CES trade show. Dale Luck gave his blessing to main coder Kevin Kelm to use the game title, "BOING! THE GAME" [Source: Kevin Kelm].
EXTREMELY RARE! And in PERFECT condition!
Plastic case w/color covers
Disks & all original documents
• The King of Chicago by Cinemaware
• BattleHawks by LucasFilm Games
• Stellaryx by Vincent Lee
RARE! And in PERFECT condition!
• Live From Space by Marta Systems
Beta Test v.1.1*
• Digi-Weather by Fesina Software
• Distant Suns v.4.0 by Virtual Reality Laboratories
• Reach for the Stars 3rd Edition by Roger Keating & Ian Trout
• F29 Retaliator by Ocean Softwares
• F/A-18 Interceptor by Electronic Arts
• FirePower by MicroIllusions
• Balance of Power by Mindscape
• Budokan: The Martial Spirit by Electronic Arts
• Populous by Electronic Arts
• Battle Chess by Interplay
• Quarterback by Central Coast Software
• Butcher by Eagle Tree Software
• Abacus' AmigaDOS Toolbox
w/AmigaDOS Quick Reference Bonus
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@ CBMer
Maybe we are cranky, because you tempt everyone with offers of cool stuff, then we find out it all gets sold in a closed-shop, behind closed doors kind of way.
Was the monitor advertised anywhere, or did you sell it via PM? Where was the buyer located, the USA I am guessing...??
All most of us are asking for is a fair chance to look at and maybe buy some of this stuff.
If you think I am trolling, fair enough, but I must admit I'm a bit hacked off that you prefer to trade in this way, there must be others who feel the same.
WTF
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WotTheFook wrote:
@ CBMer
Maybe we are cranky, because you tempt everyone with offers of cool stuff, then we find out it all gets sold in a closed-shop, behind closed doors kind of way.
Was the monitor advertised anywhere, or did you sell it via PM? Where was the buyer located, the USA I am guessing...??
All most of us are asking for is a fair chance to look at and maybe buy some of this stuff.
If you think I am trolling, fair enough, but I must admit I'm a bit hacked off that you prefer to trade in this way, there must be others who feel the same.
WTF
I sold it to a guy local to me... a working video guy that needed a monitor like that for a gig this weekend. Sorry, man, but yeah... you're really just kind of a grump. I just posted some stuff here, including really rare items, and you know I could've gone direct to eBay with ALL of this, instead of offering things to only you guys first.
If that's just not good enough for you, then just pass it by, man.
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@ CBMer
While my budget will probably inhibit me from buying anything you're offering, I'm definitely glad to see you posting here - it's nice to see someone with a new perspective from the Commodore era. Over the years, we've heard from Dave Haynie and other engineers and members of CATS about the internals of the Big C=. More recently, former CEO Thomas Rattigan has been talking in the book On The Edge and in the Ars Technica article series on Amiga History. So welcome, good sir from Marketing. Please don't pay any attention to the troublemakers, I'd be glad to hear any stories you'd like to share.
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Matt_H wrote:
@ CBMer
... So welcome, good sir from Marketing. Please don't pay any attention to the troublemakers, I'd be glad to hear any stories you'd like to share.
Thanks. One valid point made is a too long thread in the for sale section, not really the right place for all of this, eh? Fine by me. We can always move elsewhere, too.
I'm still looking around for a right place to add my angles to the history. Maybe I could contribute some to the Ars Series, but I've also got a bunch of materials that could make for a fuller, more detailed presentation somewhere too, if there's a right place for that.
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CBMer wrote:
I'm still looking around for a right place to add my angles to the history. Maybe I could contribute some to the Ars Series, but I've also got a bunch of materials that could make for a fuller, more detailed presentation somewhere too, if there's a right place for that.
May I suggest that you write a piece in the new user introductions forum for anything you want to write about your personal history as it relates to the amiga.
You might also write in the tutorials forum, with pictures maybe, about the history of commodore from your perspective.
Anything else which does not seem to fit in those forums can go in amiga general chat.
I am sure we would all be interested in anything you had to contribute to this community.
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@CBMer,
I would like to welcome you to these forums and the A.Org site, but forgive me if I do not grant you the same celebrity status that some others here might give to you. I come from the camp of Amiga users that harbored a great deal of hate and anger at Commodore's lack of "REAL" marketing of the clearly superior hardware and OS that they had been given.
I don't have any ill will toward you at this time, and as I said, I welcome you to this site and hope you will have lots to offer in the way of entertaining stories and possibly interesting items to offer for sale.
So, welcome aboard, and as suggested, it would be a good idea to introduce yourself properly in the new user introductions forum. :-)
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amigadave wrote:
@CBMer,
I would like to welcome you to these forums and the A.Org site, but forgive me if I do not grant you the same celebrity status... I come from the camp of Amiga users that harbored a great deal of hate and anger at Commodore's lack of "REAL" marketing
Well, there was not only some "real marketing", but actually all the more significant within the overall milieu, although I note that it's almost entirely overlooked in the general scheme of things. Or merely denied.
If you keep in mind that I came from "the user base" where I'd been very active with both marketing and professional use of Amigas, you'll realize that not only am I "one of you", but try to imagine my own frustrations and chagrins once in the fray... having to try to operate from that context.
As a matter of fact, the year prior to joining C=, I was the Graphics SIG guy for the Los Angeles Amiga Users Group (LAAUG), one of the largest in the US, and also a regular contributor to the newsletter (produced with Amigas, of course) writing articles, reviews, tutorials, etc. One of my final ones pretty sharply panned C=... and their marketing, much as you and others did and do.
I also co-founded PAX (Professional Amiga eXchange) which was a group of pro users from various industries along with a number of the Amiga products developers, software and hardware. And I'd written for a couple of the Amiga user consumer magazines of the time, about various projects, etc.
And some of us there got not only manifest wins, but even especially notable ones, in some of our respective markets. Frankly, it was these that helped keep the thing going as much as it did, despite the flopping in other areas and overall. It's an ironic albatross for some of us to have had to wear, in that light. Take a look here, for a slight indication;
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/174096756/m/338006530931/p/2
I'm not seeking any celebrity status, frankly. So no prob on that count. But I'm also not interested in any scapegoat status, either, naturally.
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downix wrote:
CBMer wrote:
Man, some of you guys are sure cranky.
I was just doing some hanging out with some of you, too.
I just sold a 1084S to a guy tonight for $20. Pristine condition. Did I rip him off?
Imagine trying to do business in such an environment. Some people have become true trolls. We even color code them for clarification.
And that seems a pretty fair price for one.
How about taking a look at this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34682) for an example of "this environment" when people are treated fairly and with respect in said "doing business" environment.
People here are no different than anywhere else. There are "trolls" everywhere, but as a rule, no one responds well to being treated the way a number of amiga-related companies have "done business" with their customers in the past. A little skepticism is probably a good thing.