Cloanto

[Piru]

@Minuous

(Ok I'll bite)

Err, last I checked H&P were the crooks, and Cloanto the good guys.

I see they're now using Microsoft-style shill tactics in a desperate attempt to fix their shattered reputation

What shill tactics? Where?
How is their reputation shattered?

rewarding H&P for doing quality Amiga development

H&P screwed everyone left and right. The product was buggy and incomplete, and included stolen AmiTCP/IP. H&P fsked up Amithlon, too.

Cloanto for scumming the Amiga community.

How is Cloanto scumming the Amiga community? I just don't understand that bit at all.

But hey, checking your recent posts to some other threads and they've been equally trollish.

[Piru]

@Minuous

In this thread! Ie. first post, it's clearly a shill.

So basically every single post ever cheering -- say Hyperion -- is a shill too. clearly?

Everyone is aware that they are leeching Commodore's IP without contributing anything positive

They are? As far as I know they actually paid for it.

plus sending out C&Ds to various Amiga sites for no apparent reason.

Which sites? When? Documentation please.

I'm sure even he would admit that it was at his insistence and general whining and threatening that Amithlon was withdrawn

Would he?

So what about this then? Nothing wrong in H&P again right?

I'm no troll, but when I see this kind of mindless Cloanto fanboyism it's difficult to let it pass without at least warning other users about possible shill tactics

Your reaction didn't leave any room for "possible".

Funny thing, many of us genuinely believe Cloanto has done some great things. Just the documentation database on their website alone is priceless source of information.

And lets not forget that without Amiga Forever there whould be no way to legally obtain AmigaOS KS ROMs at all.

[Piru]

A Windows program...

And what exactly is wrong with that?

As to the link given, without seeing the contracts and knowing all the facts it is difficult to be sure of the true course of events.

GENESiS is just a GUI for the AmiTCP/IP. Selling the license (which wasn't transferrable in the first place!) to the GUI does not automagically give you everything else.

H&P knew it, as is quite clear from their offer to obtain the license after the fact.

This is a clear cut case of blatant stealing. Oh, and where is the network stack in AmigaOS 3.5?


Cloanto does not include GENESiS or any other unlicenced AmiTCP/IP files with Amiga Forever. Cloanto has some moral backbone at least.

[Piru]

When was the last time Cloanto wrote an Amiga program?

What's wrong with !=amiga programs? You're suggesting that Amithlon was all {bleep}, too? AROS devs are clearly wasting their time, too?

a suit would be brought against H&P before being brought against Cloanto, no such suit has ever eventuated nor looks likely to.

That's why it called moral backbone.

It would not be right to profit from something that has shady legal status.

[Piru]

@Minuous

AFAIK no evidence has been produced by the relevant developers to justify their claims. If I went around saying things like "OS4 is infringing on my IP" without producing any evidence of this, would that mean that everyone selling OS4 would be lacking in "moral backbone"? Or the same for Windows, or MacOS?

There is a "small" difference: It is fact that NSDi Network Solutions Development Inc. wrote AmiTCP/IP, and it is a official press statement by the company, not some random post by some developer. I find it credible.

If you went around claiming such things you'd just sound retarded.

But people seem to think that using Cloanto's crippled ROMs is the only way to do it, this is wrong.

How are they crippled exactly, if I may ask?

if you are the owner of said ROM

And if you're not, and there would be no Cloanto, you would be forced to source ebay or fleamarkets for amigas or ROMs. Now that would be silly.

[Piru]

@Minuous

They are encrypted and require the use of a keyfile, ie. effectively DRM-encumbered. Unlike other ROM images, which are straightforward dumps.

Not quite. Launch the emulation, save the image to a file: Uncrypted. No more keyfile needed.

Or, if that is not enough, just use the GPL decrypt routine directly: memory.c

I wouldn't call that "crippled".