NG X5000 Advice

[outrun1978]

Or a completely different machine, running Odyssey on an X5000 is fast, its like run it on a Powermac G5 (while spending so much more money. :hammer:



Yea but that is old hardware which will probably conk out in a few years time....besides its an Apple product and i don't really do the Church of Scientology/Cupertino Cult ;-)

[wlemonds]

Do you need 2 sticks of ram for performance or can you just use one 4GB for example?

[TCMSLP]

I wonder what those who complain about the X5000 being 'slow' actually want to do with the machine?

The power of the average PC/CPU is generally wasted nowadays.  Unless you're a hardcore gamer or into 3D modelling/rendering - most CPUs are overkill - and even in these examples many tasks are offloaded to the GPU nowadays or in the case of rendering, offloaded to render farms in AWS.

I'm confident the X5000 would make a perfectly usable desktop machine, using AmigaOS for fun and Linux for productivity.  For the cost you get a perfectly good CPU for desktop use and the ability to dual boot.  I'm still perfectly happy with my 5 year old AMD box, I'm guessing performance wouldn't be dissimilar?

I'm guessing the Tabor board will also be great for most most desktop tasks.


Steve

[BozzerBigD]

@TCMSLP

Hardcore gamer? How about video editing or a casual game of Elite Dangerous Horizons? Apple are leaving behind ALL gamers beyond casual mobile gamers and Blizzard fans (since Blizzard seem to be Apple fanboys and will support the Metal API on the Mac).

The Amiga is playing catch up but its GPU support is moving in the right direction and Warp3D Nova is a great initiative. All Apple cares about is battery life and slim form factors and they are letting their pro users down. Alienware and Asus are some of the only companies pushing performance these days on the PC.

I wouldn't say the power is being wasted but it's no longer being marketed as a selling point and hence customers are being fleeced especially in the Mac world.

In the Amiga world it's the software that needs updating. The X5000 is more than fast enough for a new Lightwave!

[outrun1978]

I wonder what those who complain about the X5000 being 'slow' actually want to do with the machine?

As usual those who complain the most are those who don't actually use the machine or have ever seen one.

The X5000 is my main desktop computer it has finally replaced my PC, I can watch DVD's I surf the net with little or no issue now, I write my blog on it, I play classic games with no slowdown, I play current OS 4.1 releases with no issue. I can provide from it if needed, I use it for emails, word processing, spreadsheets transfer of pictures and playback of my music collection stuff I would normally would have used my desktop PC for previously.

[djomre]

As usual those who complain the most are those who don't actually use the machine or have ever seen one.

True!  lol

[QuikSanz]

BozzerBigD,

Would be nice to have a port of "Elite Dangerous" on OS4+, dream mode off....

[cgutjahr]

I wonder what those who complain about the X5000 being 'slow' actually want to do with the machine?

I didn't complain, I simply stated a fact: X5000 = slow. Somebody asking for advice on a 2300 Euro purchase deserves some honest advice, no?

You don't mind slow? You don't use it to do anything useful so you never notice it's slow? You're so old you don't see the difference between FullHD and a 320x200 video? You never browse the web so you don't witness the single core machine that doesn't have a decent Javascript interpreter slow down to a crawl? Fine by me - I'm happy for you. But don't get all worked up because I call it 'slow'.

The power of the average PC/CPU is generally wasted nowadays.

The last time we got somewhat reliable, independent benchmarks, there was an Mplayer benchmark (decoding a h264 stream) where the MorphOS machine spent 0.6 seconds waiting for system I/O, while the OS4 machine spent nearly 1200% of that time waiting for system I/O. That's what I call wasting CPU cycles. Granted, that was back in 2012 - but OS4 and drivers aren't exactly a success story.

and even in these examples many tasks are offloaded to the GPU nowadays

Not on OS4.

[outrun1978]

I didn't complain, I simply stated a fact: X5000 = slow. Somebody asking for advice on a 2300 Euro purchase deserves some honest advice, no?

You don't mind slow? You don't use it to do anything useful so you never notice it's slow? You're so old you don't see the difference between FullHD and a 320x200 video? You never browse the web so you don't witness the single core machine that doesn't have a decent Javascript interpreter slow down to a crawl?

Can anyone take the above post Seriously?
They say you should never feed a troll but the fact he has accused me of being too old to appreciate things when according to an interview in 2016 with Obligement he listed himself as 42 which makes him at least 3-4 years of than me....


Ill stick with my original truism that the biggest moaners are those who have never set eyes on the machine or actually don't use it on a day to day basis rather than resort to trolling and personal insults.

Btw this was posted from Odyssey on an X5000 which works pretty well with Javascript switched on and with a what some people would consider a sluggish 38MB fibre connection.  It's a huge  and noticeable difference from the previous Sam 460 set up I was using....

[Bennymee]

Can anyone take the above post Seriously?
They say you should never feed a troll but the fact he has accused me of being too old to appreciate things when according to an interview in 2016 with Obligement he listed himself as 42 which makes him at least 3-4 years of than me....


Ill stick with my original truism that the biggest moaners are those who have never set eyes on the machine or actually don't use it on a day to day basis rather than resort to trolling and personal insults.

Btw this was posted from Odyssey on an X5000 which works pretty well with Javascript switched on and with a what some people would consider a sluggish 38MB fibre connection.  It's a huge  and noticeable difference from the previous Sam 460 set up I was using....

He has a point that the cpu of the X5000 is not very fast compared to other platforms, but
If the cpu is the criterium he would never recommend buying a Mac as there are much cheaper alternatives.

We want to run AmigaOS and the X5000 is the best there is.

[outrun1978]

And that is the problem, people are quick to troll based on specs that they see and put this in comparison to other platforms but never actually try out the system on a day to day basis to make a properly informed judgement. All they go off is the specs.  

And yes In Amiga terms it's the quickest out there so it is only fair to compare the machine to what else is out there running Amiga OS 4.1

[BozzerBigD]

@Bennymee

It's all about productivity really. Is the platform good for Blender, Hollywood and coding? Was it easy to produce Wings, Tower57 and Odyssey/Timberwolf? Is Warp3D Nova successful in bringing modern graphics acceleration to the Amiga and is it easily used and fast?

It's a bit of a worry that Hollywood is 64bit on all the other platforms other than the Amiga now :-( Surely that will slow down Amiga development?

[F0LLETT]

I didn't complain, I simply stated a fact: X5000 = slow. Somebody asking for advice on a 2300 Euro purchase deserves some honest advice, no?

You don't mind slow? You don't use it to do anything useful so you never notice it's slow? You're so old you don't see the difference between FullHD and a 320x200 video? You never browse the web so you don't witness the single core machine that doesn't have a decent Javascript interpreter slow down to a crawl? Fine by me - I'm happy for you. But don't get all worked up because I call it 'slow'.


The last time we got somewhat reliable, independent benchmarks, there was an Mplayer benchmark (decoding a h264 stream) where the MorphOS machine spent 0.6 seconds waiting for system I/O, while the OS4 machine spent nearly 1200% of that time waiting for system I/O. That's what I call wasting CPU cycles. Granted, that was back in 2012 - but OS4 and drivers aren't exactly a success story.


Not on OS4.

I didn't realise you owned an X5000. I really do not agree with the tests people do. In reality no one is ever going to test it like that. They just want to switch it on and use it.

[wawrzon]

I really do not agree with the tests people do.

but its os4 users who are obsessed with benchmarking even when the difference falls under measure error. if the results are favourable, that is. recently ive seen someone asking around for x5k tests on german sites, to complete his chart i believe. looks has he found no volunteers as it seems.

[Acill]

I'd really love to see the OS4 team release a version for the G5 Powermacs, even if its just an internal version to show what the X5000 can do alongside it once and for all. I know if or when MorphOS comes out for it things will be a bit better since we can compare how it runs on both systems, but I am interested in OS4 too and want a reason to spend this kind of money over just using a fast PC or my A4000T with a CSPPC in it before I do it.

[HammerD]

I'd really love to see the OS4 team release a version for the G5 Powermacs, even if its just an internal version to show what the X5000 can do alongside it once and for all. I know if or when MorphOS comes out for it things will be a bit better since we can compare how it runs on both systems, but I am interested in OS4 too and want a reason to spend this kind of money over just using a fast PC or my A4000T with a CSPPC in it before I do it.

Well you can run OS4.1 Final Edition with your CS PPC and a Radeon card, you will get some compositing support.  Obviously OS4.1 FE on an X1000 (or X5000) is  much more fluid...the latest RadeonHD driver makes it feel very smooth (and of course you get the eye candy effects).  You can also run it in WinUAE, but with all the eye candy / compositing effects it's almost a different experience.  Looks much better and obviously faster.

It just is a better overall experience on the faster / modern hardware.