Bill Gates not a philanthropist?

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I have no intention of having children.  People who have loads of children are the biggest issue this planet and our environment face.
 
There are enough children without parents or good homes.  If you really feel the need to fill your time with children then foster or adpot
 
But population needs to be controlled through education not drugs.

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And for the economy too! Now, who wants to buy a hat? Made of the finest Tin Foil, guaranteed to protect the brain from Aliens/The CIA/MI5/Cliff Richard. Honest.

cliff ricahrd lol.   Find the idea of cliff being some eveil overlord quite amusing

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These are awesome and really show up our internet arguments.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxrWuE5qC5c&list=UUcKuvVKN-WDQ_PwoVuQ1ImQ

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Why do you believe this?    If all the children are cared for and fed, why does it matter to you?  

I can't remember the exact numbers, but Beethoven was the youngest of something like 13 children.



I agree completely.  I have nine children.  The youngest five are adopted from three different countries.  After having experienced both adoption and having biological children, I would encourage everyone to do both.  They're great experiences for different reasons.

By the way, if adoption is so great, then why is the UN and UNICEF trying to shut it down?  



I agree that education is always a good thing.  But you have to teach the right things.  And I don't think the world's population needs to be controlled at all.  However, history clearly shows that as you raise the standard of living for a society, birth rate drops significantly.  So what is the real solution to the population problem, if there is such a thing?

Wow what the fook has Beethoven being 1 of 13 got to do with the price of wet fish. Do you have any understanding of the environmental impact of each child. Especially in the developed world

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Thank you kesa. Most of people have come to their own conclussions. Just because a view is different to you own strongly held beliefs or agree with widley held view does not Make it any less valid or mean someone has been brainwaahed

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Wasn't it Voltaire who said "I may not agree with what you have to say but I will fight to my death for your right to say it"?

it was indeed

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I disagree.  I believe there's right and wrong.  And that's a separate idea from having a difference of opinion.  Whether you think capitalism or socialism is better, that's a matter of opinion on which we can differ.   Forcibly sterilizing people in the third world because we believe they shouldn't have children, that's wrong.

Those who believe in moral relativism have been brainwashed.  I believe that's a fact.  But that's just my opinion.  :-)

I agree that is wrong.  It is not the population expanding in the majority world that is the problem It is the populations in places like the UK, germany usa, te so called developed world,  that are causing the real drain on the planets resources.

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Which resources?

Fossil fuels. They metals and minerals we are force miming form places like Africa to make mobiles and computers.  Food will become an issue in the not too distant future

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I think most people are blissfully ignorant of the evil that western civilisation imposes on the rest of the world to supply the things that make our lifestyle what it is.

Ignorance is a choice IMNSHO.

+1

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Only in 3rd world countries. In western countries it is more or less staying the same.




Right. Look what they are planning to do in Egypt. Really quite brilliant: http://pavelpodolyak.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/terraforming-sahara-desert.html

Sorry have to  pick up on this. Third world or developing world are not regarded as acceptable descriptions. It's now referred
To as the majority world

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Or they could just have screwed up priorities.  

The entire feminist movement in the US was manufactured in order to get the other half of the US population working so that they could be taxed.  Those women were sold a bill of goods.  No longer did they need family and children to be fulfilled.  Now they can have a career!  Just think of what you can do with all that extra money!  In other words, they sold out.  They sold out their children for "a higher standard of living", whatever that is.  Later, the two income household was required just to make it.  This is because women in the workforce drove down wages (real wages I mean, taking inflation into account).

It's no accident that this had a negative effect on the family.  I believe this was a major contributor to the increase in infidelity and divorce.  While movies, TV, music, and other pop culture influences pushed the idea that sex outside of marriage was ok and only old prudish, behind the times people thought otherwise.  After all, if you get all the vitamin-P you want without getting married, why get married and have children?  One of the goals of Agenda 21 is to destroy the family.

What I would call the "correct" business model is for people to have a family with maybe 2 to 6 children where everyone including the father works at home.  They produce most of their own food and clothes.  They have several small businesses for some income to buy the things they can't or don't want to make for themselves.  And the parents and grand parents educate the children.  With this model, families spend more time together.  Kids aren't brainwashed by the state.  And if one of the businesses fails, they have others.  And if they all fail, they still have a place to live and food to eat.  This is what I'm trying to create now.  I hope I finish it in time.

OMFG did you really just say that about feminism. Honestly. Let me guess your wife is one of these old school people who just wants to look after their children and husband. Who is brainwashed again. Women are equal to men they can do as they please. Women having choices has nothing to do with the breakdown in families. Men not pulling their weight is a more likely cause.  I really don't know what to say in flabbergasted.

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Seems like people are just posting random personal attacks, anti-feminist rants, and gibberish on this thread now. But since it's staying stuck at the top of the homepage I'll just stick this here. To all you Brits! :bitch:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT0yoo9B2Bc
 
 

Really don't understand this post ?

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Why, yes I did!   :-)

Some people would call what I did "traditional family values".  But anti-feminism is so much more incendiary.  lol



Yes.  But don't assume that she's uneducated.  She has a university degree and worked in the medical field for a number of years until the cost of daycare became oppressive, at which point she did what she would rather do anyway:  stay home with the kids.  Believe it or not, she was happy with her decision, the kids were better off, and it didn't make her a idiot.

How many women out there would prefer to stay home with the kids if they could afford it?  I'd argue quite a large percentage.  Oh, and this whole women working thing is so western-world.  There's women covering huge parts of the planet who would find it unthinkable to let someone else raise their children while they toiled away somewhere else for something so meaningless as money.



You are.  :-)  But you're not alone.  I'd say that most people have bought the propaganda with little or no effort on the part of those pushing it.



Men and women are not the same, regardless of what your TV says.  Men and women are physically and mentally different.  One isn't better or worse than the other, they're just different.  There's a reason why you don't put women on the front line in the military.  A civilization thinking rationally wouldn't dream of doing that, which is why they're getting ready to do it in the US.

I do agree that they can do as they please though.  Of course, once the women are brainwashed into giving up millennia of gender roles common to the entire human race, then they'll do what someone else pleases while believing they're free, right?



Again, if you manipulate the women (and men) into distorting gender roles, then it does break down the family.  Brainwash them enough and they'll happily destroy their own family and argue with you when you point out what's happening.



This is an entirely different problem that's also breaking down the family.  If men get all the sex they want, and aren't taught to treat women with respect, and instead are encouraged to never leave adolescence, then you end up with the problems we have today.



Really?  Is that all it took? I'm just getting started!  How about this one...  I believe (and have encouraged my children to do so) that people should get married at around the age of 18.  This way, it becomes possible, even easy to wait for sex until marriage.  Of course, I also tell them that divorce isn't an option.  They have to make it work.

People think I'm insane when I tell them this.  After all, everyone knows that you should wait until you go to college and get an established career and a house and a mortgage and a mountain of debt and two cars... before you get married.  Maybe 30 is a good age!  After all, kids don't know anything and what if they get divorced?!  An conveniently, 30 is too late to wait for sex, so we can just sleep around with whoever we want.  Right?  I mean, we're all free and liberated, open-minded people, right?

How's that thinking working out for the western world?  The divorce rate is higher than ever.  Infidelity, illegitimacy, sexually transmitted diseases are all on the rise.  People on their second, third, or fourth spouse is commonplace.  At least if the 18 year olds get divorced later, they've only been with with (hopefully) one person the whole time, and the children all come from one father.

If you do things God's way, you don't have any of these problems.  Of course, the Christian community has all these problem also.  But that comes from not doing things God's way.

And you just lost the argument by bringing imaginary beings into the equation.  I think all the worlds problems are caused by not doing things the inspector gadget way.

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Imaginary being to you, very real to me. Many things, too many to count, have happened in my life to make it obvious to me that God exists.
 
Also, I didn't realize this was a contest to be won or lost. I'm simply expressing my views.

Believe what you like mate.  I will never hold people beliefs against them until they start spouting sexist fanatical crap about how people should live "gods" way.  
 
Am i talking to somoone from a certain famous baptist church in america

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Heroine. Noun. A woman noted for courage and daring action.
 
Considering your statement earlier that basically amounted to "a woman's place is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen", I find your misspelling to be particularly apropos.
 
Being able to live your life as a good example to others has nothing to do with one's religion. People who use it for that reason are using it as a crutch.

2000% yes. Religion came about for two reasons. We didn't have the language to explain the world in which we found ourselves and two people were scared of dying. Easier to believe in an afterlife than believe our lives are just a breeze In eternity. Ever noticed how religions never to try to recruit people whose lives are in an even keel .......