Call me insane if you like but I think I want an X1000 now :)

[itix]

Actually I am thinking now....an X1000 is dirt cheap compared to a buffed up Amiga 4000D or A1200T which they can easily go for 5,000 USA dollars. So if I buy a brand new hardware that is super strong with specs for 3000 USA dollars it is nothing comparing to the 5000 dollars. In fact...I am intending to save up money for the X1000.

Be careful to not break it. If you burn the mobo it is worth nothing.

[wawrzon]

Be careful to not break it. If you burn the mobo it is worth nothing.

as a collector item it might not matter.

[itix]

Broken A4000s dont sell at 5000 USD.

[wawrzon]

Broken A4000s dont sell at 5000 USD.

the a4k price on introduction was $3699.- according to the net, today it is equivalent of ~2724 eur.
in winter ive sold non refurbished but in good working condition a4k for about 400 eur.
now, without taking into account that a4k was more popular by at least few hundred times, it might give an assumed value of x1k in twenty years, given the devices would be still in a working condition by then.
im not sure if this is actually a good investment, except you want actually use your device;)

[Delta]

3 times a week I just want to resell my Sam460 because apart from fetching emails and browsing a little I don't (or can't) do much with it.  The good thing is its gonna be worth almost the original cost if I decide to do it.

That's Amiga hardware, classic or not

[giZmo350]

3 times a week I just want to resell my Sam460 because apart from fetching emails and browsing a little I don't (or can't) do much with it.  The good thing is its gonna be worth almost the original cost if I decide to do it.

That's Amiga hardware, classic or not

Since the SAM460 is already somewhat of a collectors item I know that I can sell it for pretty much what I paid for it. But I hold on to it 'cause AOS4.2 is due out. Let's see what that brings. Dose of reality though... IMHO the devs are kinda getting a gratis redux on AOS4.1. We know that the X1000 has a more horsepower to run AOS4.1 better than us SAM460 owners can. However, if we SAM460 owners get left in the dust as far as AOS4.2 performance goes and the devs only target X1000 performance enhancements, well, _______(you fill in the blanks here)_____. Just sayin. In the mean time, I'm staying positive 'cause there really are a lot of things I like about AOS4.1 and hoping for the best with AOS4.2!

[Delta]

Since the SAM460 is already somewhat of a collectors item I know that I can sell it for pretty much what I paid for it. But I hold on to it 'cause AOS4.2 is due out.

Exactly my toughts (when i'm in a positive mood)  i'm telling myself OS4.2 will be much better.  All I want is to play at least 1 or 2 games using real 3D graphics and watch a DVD movie without crashing the system once in a while....  

But frankly after the 4.2 update its gonna have to be a real improvement to convince me not to get my 1200$ back....

[AmigaClassicRule]

Hold on there for a second. Are you telling me that OS 4.1 between SAM440 and X1000 in terms of development is a huge difference like say between developing for kickstart 3.1,AGA 68030 verses say on an Amiga 500 kickstart 1.3, OCS?

That software developers could easily target for X1000 while both SAM440 and X1000 run OS 4.1 that the program will fail to run on SAM440 and will only run on X1000 that...in the end the developers need to develop for two separate platforms as if you are developing the same game for xBox 360 and PS 3? Because if what you are saying is true....then not only is that awesome....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!

[kamelito]

Well if Acube release a new computer/mobo better than the 460 that cost roughly the same price you better sure that you'll not sell yours at the price you wish. You better keep it or sell it now, but as many wait for Amiwest announcement it's maybe or maybe not too late. Kamelito

[Iggy]

Hold on there for a second. Are you telling me that OS 4.1 between SAM440 and X1000 in terms of development is a huge difference like say between developing for kickstart 3.1,AGA 68030 verses say on an Amiga 500 kickstart 1.3, OCS?

That software developers could easily target for X1000 while both SAM440 and X1000 run OS 4.1 that the program will fail to run on SAM440 and will only run on X1000 that...in the end the developers need to develop for two separate platforms as if you are developing the same game for xBox 360 and PS 3? Because if what you are saying is true....then not only is that awesome....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!

I think the biggest issue will be pure CPU power.
The PA6T running on one core already holds an advantage.
If Hyperion gets SMP or ASMP working the X1000 will have two core to the Samantha's one.
Then again,m the next top of the line A-eon board is supposed to be a four core based system.

To all you naysayers, you may think I myself and other MorphOS fanatics are somewhat elitist. But we've been following this closely since it was first announced.

I had an inkling who was behind it before it was announced.

AND its successor will use components that stimulate me in a most unnatural way (considering we are just talking computer hardware).

Hey, why are so many of you down about this?
Yeah, its been expensive (but as was pointed out, no worse than the A4000 used to be).

And WE WON!
We have three NG OS.
New hardware and alternative platforms for the economy minded.

And Bill McEwen isn't making a cent off of us.

Pretty damned cool and a tribute the the power of our collective devotion.

[kickstart]

People still talking about this motherboards (x1000, sams) like real amigas...

[giZmo350]

Hold on there for a second. Are you telling me that OS 4.1 between SAM440 and X1000 in terms of development is a huge difference like say between developing for kickstart 3.1,AGA 68030 verses say on an Amiga 500 kickstart 1.3, OCS?

That software developers could easily target for X1000 while both SAM440 and X1000 run OS 4.1 that the program will fail to run on SAM440 and will only run on X1000 that...in the end the developers need to develop for two separate platforms as if you are developing the same game for xBox 360 and PS 3? Because if what you are saying is true....then not only is that awesome....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!

Um yes! Happens all the time! I just sayin that I hope the SAM motherboards have not already fallen off the AOS4.X dev radar! There's already quite a disparity between the X1000 and the SAM. Especially with add on boards. Do the devs account for that? Maybe to a certain degree - it's more up to the add on boards devs to meet AOS4.X minimum requirements. Which ain't gonna happen 'cause ya gotta remember, NG systems use off the shelf commodity boards that need software created for them... this has all been discussed a thousand times.

As far as software (games, apps, whatever...) development for AOS4.X goes, the minimum requirements can and will change (it's the devs discretion) but I doubt programming for the API would change much. Look, I'm not an Amiga programmer, and you devs keep your cards very close to your chest these days (and we all know why - even though the community begs for announcements) but there's a big difference between AOS4.X hardware compatibility development and software for AOS4.x development.

I'm just hoping us older NG mobo owners don't get left behind in the outdated bitbucket (I know all about going where the money is) especially the SAM460 as it's not that old. :razz: And I'm not trying to go into some devs backyard and pick a fight here... just hoping for the best for MY NG board. Ya, I'm selfish like that...  LOL

Anyways, here's to some AOS4.2 performance announcements at AmiWest! :pint:

[magnetic]

Exactly my toughts (when i'm in a positive mood)  i'm telling myself OS4.2 will be much better.  All I want is to play at least 1 or 2 games using real 3D graphics and watch a DVD movie without crashing the system once in a while....  

But frankly after the 4.2 update its gonna have to be a real improvement to convince me not to get my 1200$ back....

This is what happens when the people with the "name" legacy decided to follow stupid developmental paths. Specifically, spending all the years of time and resources on porting to exotic ppc hardware instead of porting/creating games and applications and porting crucial technologies to amiga os.

But as you can tell from this thread and others the fanboys are happy as about 80% of them with NG hardware do exactly like you, barely turn it on. One guy even said he just turns it on to do updates then puts it back int he closet. thats a good one.

[NovaCoder]

But as you can tell from this thread and others the fanboys are happy as about 80% of them with NG hardware do exactly like you, barely turn it on. One guy even said he just turns it on to do updates then puts it back int he closet. thats a good one.

That's very sad, all retro hardware (even the NG stuff) should be used regularly, if you don't use it (and enjoy using it!) then you might as well sell it and let someone else get some fun out of it.

My A1200 get's turned on almost every evening

I was running Elude's 'Shake Off the Dust' last night with my new full screen mode (Indivision Mrk2) and it was awesome to watch

[magnetic]

That's very sad, all retro hardware (even the NG stuff) should be used regularly, if you don't use it (and enjoy using it!) then you might as well sell it and let someone else get some fun out of it.

My A1200 get's turned on almost every evening

I was running Elude's 'Shake Off the Dust' last night with my new full screen mode (Indivision Mrk2) and it was awesome to watch

It sure is sad. Lots of "hoarders" even with NG stuff. It seems alot of fanboys just want the ng system in their sigs for credit in the amiga forums then you go on their ibook or windows computers and troll against morphos and stuff haha

and yes I LOVE watching Demos on my a1200. I have a fast dual core laptop that runs latest Amiga forever, which is a good platform to watch amiga demos, but seeing the demos on the real thing on rgb monitors is the best!

[giZmo350]

....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!

You know, I hear ya! And I owe you an apology... I heard what ya said but I was focused on my 460 so sorry for seeming defensive with my reply with your entire post quoted. But I would like to respond to your partial quote above , I really respect AOS4 devs who stick with it. I mean, it's gotta be exasperating being rubberman with one arm pulled on by ACube and the other by AEon. I'm not gonna go all full cheese omelet in this post as to why all this is but, I would like to say this... "We appreciate your talent Sir, May the AmiForce be with you!"