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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2006, 04:50:34 PM »
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In all fairness, it's one thing to have a device capable of this resolution, but quite another to drive it at any realistic refresh rate.


Yes, you're exactly right. I just realised this after posting. That kind of resolution would require massive amounts of RAM (making virtual memory still necessary) and would need faster processors too.

Well, I still want it someday. ;-)

Dell's new 30' monitors requires a graphics card with two DVI-connectors... :-)
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2006, 09:32:41 PM »
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5. Speech recognition

Whatever happened to that? I'm not saying I want to type a document by saying it, but it might be good for fast OS access like switching windows, running automated tasks or opening programs. Maybe we've already got this, but I haven't seen it.

It's already there. I've seen it working on a normal pc a few years ago. But there were background noises, and the system 'recognised' it as very naughty words.  :oops:
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2006, 09:36:19 PM »
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What the heck is a "3D OS"?


You've never heard of this? There have been a bunch of different concepts for 3D in operating systems rather than the flat desktop model. The one I liked was where windows were arranged sort of around a 3D cylinder and when you wanted to switch, the current window would be transparent and you could select from the many windows floating behind it.
That's a GUI (not OS, GUI), written in JAVA, and it was abandoned afaik because it was way too slow.
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2006, 09:41:36 PM »
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1. Ultra high res displays and the end of anti-aliasing

It seems these days higher resolution just means bigger displays, but back in 1998 I read an article about IBM prototype displays with 10x the resolution density. Their prototype was 17" but resolution was something like 22,000 x 9,000. This would make anti-aliasing a thing of the past because everything would be as crisp as print on paper. I think they said something about Windows having to support this and that may explain why we'll never have it.

LCD/TFT have pro's wich are very practical in office use and so. Users have little use of ultra high res compared to the benefits of TFT.
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2006, 10:26:02 PM »
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LCD/TFT have pro's wich are very practical in office use and so. Users have little use of ultra high res compared to the benefits of TFT.


What do you mean? Who wouldn't benefit from displays as crisp as a printed page? If you're talking about price, of course the current low resolution displays are cheaper.

I suppose the main reason all the advances I want aren't here is the fact that it's easier and cheaper to keep making the same old crap rather than innovate. And considering what happens to products like the Amiga, it seems innovation too soon is a bad business move.

So looking ahead 10 years, we'll see Windows 2016 which is marginally faster with slightly different graphics (the main advance is that Windows might have a different name).
We'll be using large, but low resolution plasma screens. The mouse, DVD and USB will still be in use. Software will be the same but with extra animations and a few hundred extra features you don't need

With a future that boring, I'll probably still be using my A500 as my main computer.

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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2006, 10:55:10 PM »
Well, I do not use my a500 as my main computer (though it's placed next to it) I wholeheartily agree with you :-).
I just pointed out why it is that way in reality.
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2006, 02:41:59 AM »
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1. Ultra high res displays and the end of anti-aliasing

It seems these days higher resolution just means bigger displays, but back in 1998 I read an article about IBM prototype displays with 10x the resolution density. Their prototype was 17" but resolution was something like 22,000 x 9,000.


That's about 200 MILLION pixels. Just try to update that many pixels 100 times per second. I dare you! That would be in addition to the 4GB of memory your video card would now need.

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2. The death of Virtual Memory

With 64bit processors and the ability to access >4Gb of RAM, why do we still have slow annoying virtual memory? Virtual memory should have been a temporary workaround until memory became plentiful.


Unfortunately, as memory become plentiful, programmers were encouraged to forget about being frugal with it. While a computer may have 1000 times more memory, programs are a thousand times bigger. Hence, the same need for more memory than exists in the computer.

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3. The death of optical discs

In 1997 I read about holigraphic storage cubes which could contain much more data than DVD, required no spin-up time (non-moving), were cheap to produce and were the size of a sugar cube.


Holographic storage suffers from a serious problem - it's not a progressive technology. In other words, you have to toss out all your current tech and switch completely. Computer manufacturers are loathe to do this. They want a gradual progression from one technology to a slightly newer one. CDs to DVDs. DVDs to HD-DVDs. It's rare that you make big leaps in technology. They do occur, but not very often. You might have read about something coming out in the next few years - they are making a holostore that uses a spinning disc instead of a fixed cube. This would make it more compatible with current tech, and therefore more acceptable to manufacturers. HD-DVD to Holo-Disc.

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4. 3D OS

They've talked about this since the '80's. I've seen 3D OS demos (in the late 90's) with hundreds of floating windows (in 3D, obviously) and flipping looked easy. Switching multiple applications using standard desktop is a pain in the arse (at least Amiga has multiple screens).


This has never been more than a demo simply because it isn't how people use computers. People are comfortable with 2D layered windows. They fit the display technology better as well.


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5. Speech recognition

Whatever happened to that? I'm not saying I want to type a document by saying it, but it might be good for fast OS access like switching windows, running automated tasks or opening programs. Maybe we've already got this, but I haven't seen it.


As one person so properly pointed out, for some weird reason, announcing in a clear loud voice "open naked nymphos number seven jaypeg" just never caught on. Go fig.


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6. The death of Windows

Just kidding - but this would actually be a computer advance ;-)


It's getting there.

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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2006, 09:18:54 PM »
Sixteen years ago, my Amiga spoke to me.  It said "Ben smells" and "Paul fan-cies Jenny Leeks".  

Today, synthesised speech still sounds like a Speak 'n Spell.  I want a computer to address me with "Good morning Paul, I trust you are well?" with appropriate attention being paid to tone and inflection.

What HAL9000 got right in 1968 and my Amiga 500 half managed in 1990 has hit a dead end.  Dammit, I want the machine I'm using to talk to me, to explain to me in respectful and apologetic tones exactly why a 2.5ghz machine is taking forever to open another text file or IE window.
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2006, 09:42:39 PM »
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Today, synthesised speech still sounds like a Speak 'n Spell. I want a computer to address me with "Good morning Paul, I trust you are well?" with appropriate attention being paid to tone and inflection.


Ha - Speak'n Spell... that brings back memories. It was impressive for the time, but because it was from Texas Instruments, the thing used American spellings. I was just a young kid in Canada (a perfect speller) and I didn't know why the damn thing kept telling me I was spelling wrong.
S'n'S: "spell..boulder"
Me:    "b" "o" "u"
S'n'S: "Wrong! Try again."
Me:    "b" "o" "u"
S'n'S: "Incorrect! The correct spelling is "b.o.l.d.e.r"
(same with neighbour, honour, valour, colour, etc.)

I used to laugh at how it pronounced "n" and "m": like "in" and "im".

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What HAL9000 got right in 1968 and my Amiga 500 half managed in 1990 has hit a dead end.


The "computer" in Zardoz had a nice voice too. Hey, you're in the UK - how is that Tom Baker text messaging thing working? If it sounds OK, maybe we could all have computers with Tom Baker's voice. Instead of a Windows BSOD, you could hear "Windows has crashed...would you like a jelly baby?"

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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2006, 10:31:00 PM »
Can't remember the computer in Zardoz, but a Tom Baker voice would scare the bejeezus out of me.  I am old enough to associate his voice with Daleks and Cybermen, so hearing some randy bint's text message to me via Tom Baker is guaranteed to freak me out.

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The "computer" in Zardoz had a nice voice too. Hey, you're in the UK - how is that Tom Baker text messaging thing working? If it sounds OK, maybe we could all have computers with Tom Baker's voice. Instead of a Windows BSOD, you could hear "Windows has crashed...would you like a jelly baby?"


How about "Unfortunately, Windows has had to close down.  I am a very bad PC [cue sounds of self flagellation]"?
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2006, 08:25:22 AM »
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Sixteen years ago, my Amiga spoke to me.  It said "Ben smells" and "Paul fan-cies Jenny Leeks".  

Today, synthesised speech still sounds like a Speak 'n Spell.  I want a computer to address me with "Good morning Paul, I trust you are well?" with appropriate attention being paid to tone and inflection.

What HAL9000 got right in 1968 and my Amiga 500 half managed in 1990 has hit a dead end.  Dammit, I want the machine I'm using to talk to me, to explain to me in respectful and apologetic tones exactly why a 2.5ghz machine is taking forever to open another text file or IE window.


You obviously haven't tried speech synthesis in the last decade. You might check out AT&T's Natural Voices.

http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/

 

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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2006, 10:36:31 AM »
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Sixteen years ago, my Amiga spoke to me.  It said "Ben smells" and "Paul fan-cies Jenny Leeks".  

Today, synthesised speech still sounds like a Speak 'n Spell.  I want a computer to address me with "Good morning Paul, I trust you are well?" with appropriate attention being paid to tone and inflection.

What HAL9000 got right in 1968 and my Amiga 500 half managed in 1990 has hit a dead end.  Dammit, I want the machine I'm using to talk to me, to explain to me in respectful and apologetic tones exactly why a 2.5ghz machine is taking forever to open another text file or IE window.


You obviously haven't tried speech synthesis in the last decade. You might check out AT&T's Natural Voices.

http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/



Dude, thats worse than the speech synthesis in MacOS X...

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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2006, 10:44:28 AM »
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4. 3D OS

They've talked about this since the '80's. I've seen 3D OS demos (in the late 90's) with hundreds of floating windows (in 3D, obviously) and flipping looked easy. Switching multiple applications using standard desktop is a pain in the arse (at least Amiga has multiple screens).


This has never been more than a demo simply because it isn't how people use computers. People are comfortable with 2D layered windows. They fit the display technology better as well.


I beg to differ about the DEMO part, it is still under development...

see: http://www.spheresite.com/

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   2. The death of Virtual Memory

    With 64bit processors and the ability to access >4Gb of RAM, why do we still have slow annoying virtual memory? Virtual memory should have been a temporary workaround until memory became plentiful.

Under windoze, if you have more than 1gb of memory, you can disable the VM ergo swapfile... and the OS does not hickup, just a few progs that don't like it at all...

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    5. Speech recognition

    Whatever happened to that? I'm not saying I want to type a document by saying it, but it might be good for fast OS access like switching windows, running automated tasks or opening programs. Maybe we've already got this, but I haven't seen it.

As one person so properly pointed out, for some weird reason, announcing in a clear loud voice "open naked nymphos number seven jaypeg" just never caught on. Go fig.

ROFL.... too true...

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   6. The death of Windows

    Just kidding - but this would actually be a computer advance

It's getting there.
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2006, 08:45:29 PM »
Nah, I want a computer I can converse with, with a personality.  

I'd like to be able to hear it directly from the computer why Half Life 2 refuses to load again and why my internet connection is much slower on my PC than on my Amiga.  

Something akin to HAL9000 would be great, with a dash of Holly from Red Dwarf.
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Re: Computer advances I'm STILL waiting for...
« Reply #28 from previous page: February 22, 2006, 02:45:36 PM »
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5. Speech recognition

Whatever happened to that? I'm not saying I want to type a document by saying it, but it might be good for fast OS access like switching windows, running automated tasks or opening programs. Maybe we've already got this, but I haven't seen it.


It's available, but it's one of those things that once you have, you wondered why you wanted it in the first place.

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