Discussing strategy of parties involved in the amiga-market (Hardware/OS)

[vox]

But a ARM or X86 port of AmigaOS is completely out of scope. They want to make money with it, porting would mean a huge investment (time) to do. Hyperion wants to get paid for it, who will do it? Even for Trevor it would propably be too much. Or Hyperion (Ben H.) changes his mind and pays for it. But I have never heared of that they even think about it. And that Trevor pays for new high-end and high-prized PPC hardware does not sound of a change too. So only chance if they would "upgrade" the lower to midrange systems (means better hardware for the money).

On MorphOS team it is different because they are somehow in the middle between AROS and AmigaOS, commercial/closed source but not as much as Hyperion. They will make the shift to ARM/X86/X64 somewhen.

I ll welcome and buy x86 version of MorphOS. But that is kind of on longer stick then X1000 AMP/SMP etc.

Seems Hyperion will stick with PPC at least until OS grows mature. Which is not bad at all - its the PPC users that will make transition and growth possible, as it is with MorphOS.

People should take their own decisions, and we should welcome it. But this kind of bashing puts A.org to Moo level. :mickeymouse:

[vox]

"Moo level"

still a long way to go

I disagree with you there. Not the "PPC User" make transition and growth possible but winning back people from outside for the community (ex-amigans, users and expecially developers)

Currently PPC users makes it possible until OSs (MorphOS/OS4) are mature enough to go ARM (I prefer it to x86 even there are few ARM desktops - but they could aim tablets and smartphones like Amiga Inc planned).

Best would be to have one such OS and teams united (and it called AmigaOS 5 and hardware AmigaOnes since C-USA killed any hope of any good Amiga computer) or they will compete again just on larger market.

Even some better cooperation in current PPC markets would win more hearts and efforts, but team seems to be just too proud and stabborn.

Overall, no one has a long long term strategy, but everyone does its best in current circumstances.

Wining hearts of all ex Amigans? Hardly ever. Most were gamers. But we actually need a competitive OS in world of just 3 OSs (Win - mac OS X - Linux).

[vox]

Someone said (when I remember right) connecting the OS to exotic hardware is a kind of natural copy-protection (in opposite to what could have happened with Moana). And I do not know how fast and compatible emulated environments are. On the other hand more user and sold licenses (even if some would be illegal copies)

Don`t forget Moana was a stop gap solution BEFORE SAM 440 arrived at times of OS 4.0 Classic, and that it would harm ACube too.

Once in wagon with hardware partners, no matter how

On natural protection of rare hardware, I see Apple still takes the same logic when limiting its MacOS X only to its hardware, even its x86.

While counting on wild numbers seems good, as well as cheap hardware, you must understand that interest in Amiga like OSs is also just on old warriors and holds no meaning to overall world. Also, MorphOS team has reverted to PPC Macs when left by Genesi as only route.

Preferably flourishing solution would be building a new Acube system as middle, while lowering price of SAM 460 Lite and having 3D drivers for RadeonHD. That would be quite reasonable, fast and a bit modern OS4 system.

Surely, as indicated, MorphOS support for all Macs have gradually brought interest and grownth, but not beyond some 1500-2000 licences. So its a small bunch of people after all.

And nothing brings developers per se, except bounties (money). I don`t see way much development on AROS file depots (not at least more then on Morph and OS4 and file depots) even its free and can be run on almost anything. So there is no easy way out.

[vox]

Funny to hear that taking into account that PA*Semi cpus are dead end.

Yes they are. We exhausted almost only stock of them for X1000 at heavy price.
But its interesting CPU arhitecture, somewhat kind of laptop version of G5 with some enhancements.
Sadly it never lived beyond 1.8Ghz and two cores, because Apple was not interested. If it lived
its full frequency range and up to 16 cores (this one was lowest model) it might have better name.

But yet X1000 is and will be only desktop machine to ever use it.

The point of releasing AmigaOS for G5 would be gaining time to release it for x86-64.

There are no current G5 hardware avail at all (as well as G4) so Freescale is natural choice. Plans you speak of are MorphOS plans, not AmigaOS 4 plans - which is OS 4.2 and X2000/4000 as X1000 replacement board.

I heard that before with x1000 PA Semi cpu and all in all it's slower than a G5 at the same frequency.

Yes,that is true, CPU performs about G4 level performance, just at higher clock + Altivec but with faster memory, disk speed, PCI-E and second core. Once all its abilities are used it will surely outperform G4, in some aspects like memory and disk speed as well as GFX cards you can put to it, it might be better then G5 Mac. We`ll post some Linux test once I get the machine, and everyone will be free to compare it to Linux results on G5.

In case you didn't notice we are talking about machines released 8-10 years ago, not even about competing with nowadays hardware

Thats normal as we are stuck in Amiga world.

If you want to look forward to the future the final solution is  switching cpu architecture instead of relying on low end embedded cpus.  Freescale has always been poor acomplishing their roadmaps.

Ah, now we spit on beloved Motorola continuation. Well ,it wasn`t the PPC leader, but kind of like them more then AMCC CPU`s Acube has chosen.

Care to explain how selling OS4 for powerbook g4 would decrease the number of x1000 sold?

While it would make AmigaOne laptop (as it makes MorphOS laptop) there would be no room for A-EON systems.

[QUOTESams have performance similar (or worse) than antique Pegasos boards  sold almost 10 years ago in our little market (and higher price,  something pretty sad).][/QUOTE]

G4 Mac, AmigaOne or Mac outperfor SAM 460, but since it has faster RAM, disk speed and PCI-E GFX it might at least offer comparable overall performance.

We have very few choices in little market, but having some choice is better to none. I well remember dark ages when there was AmigaOS 4.0 out with no hardware to get to run it.