windows = workbench

[3246251196]

pcs boot into windows (there are a lot of variations, but lets use windows). from there you can mess around - transfer data etc

now, amigas boot into workbench (if you can set that from hardrive - never had one)... so, is this workbench the windows equivalent. if its on the hardrive does it boot stragith into WB?

[drewz21]

I see Workbench as old Windows.  Like Windows 95 and earlier.  AmigaDos is running the show and Workbench sits on top of that.  In the older versions of Workbench there were some things you had to do from the command prompt.

I belive I'm correct in this.  Anybody want to add more?  Or correct what I've written?

[3246251196]

ok then

so i ask: bearing in mind i will merely have an Amiga 1200 with only floppy drives (with an 8Gb HDD)

what (will be) / is my Windows equivalent?

thanks, 324

[drewz21]

Workbench would be.  AmigaOS 3.1 and higher allow you to do most everything you need from Workbench.  CLI is not required although once you learn the commands it's faster.

[3246251196]

am i right in saying

A1200 Commodore = KStart 3.0
A1200 Gateway (NOT MINE) = KStart 3.1

[nasty]

so i ask: bearing in mind i will merely have an Amiga 1200 with only floppy drives (with an 8Gb HDD)

what (will be) / is my Windows equivalent?

thanks, 324

There is no equivalent, cause with an amigaOS you get an OS that works :-D

It really depends on what OS you have installed and what you want to do with it? OS3.5/3.9 are more user friendly over the older versions of Workench but I still miss say from WB2 :lol:

[3246251196]

so i could have OS3.5 on an amiga 1200 which is either (3.0/3.1 kickstart - am i getting confused over the rom chip here? is OS3.5 simply the version of OS and have no relevance to the amiga's rom chip)?

[Thomas]

pcs boot into windows

Nonsense. What you see when Windows if fully loaded is called desktop. So if you are looking for counterparts you can compare "AmigaOS" to "Windows" and "Workbench" to "desktop".

The philisophy behind the Windows desktop and the Amiga Workbench is different, though. Workbench works more like the Windows "My Computer" folder, i.e. it uses the directory structure of the file system for its drawers (although by default it only shows files with icons) while the Windows desktop is a complete abstraction layer between the user interface and the file system.

Bye,
Thomas

[nasty]

Yea the latest roms you can get is 3.1, which im sure you can buy them from http://amigakit.com, and 3.5/3.9 are versions of the OS.  I know that you need the latest 3.1 roms to able able to use 3.9 but im unsure if your require them to run 3.5 maybe one of the other users can fill us both in!(yip 3.1 roms are needed for os3.5)

some info and screenies on 3.9 CLICKY CLICKY

some info and screenies on 3.5 CLICKY CLICKY

[Thomas]

The Amiga's operating always consisted of two parts: the Kicktart ROM and several files on disk, one of them being the command to load Workbench. At some time people started to call the entire disk part of the operating system Workbench. So, if you bought an early A1200 with Kickstart 3.0 and Workbench 3.0, in order to fully upgrade to 3.1, you had to buy Kickstart 3.1 and Workbench 3.1.

The term AmigaOS for the Amiga's operating system was introduced with AmigaOS 3.5. Probably because there will not be another version of the Kickstart in the future than 3.1. But objectively AmigaOS 3.5 is nothing more than Workbench 3.5, or, even more precisely, version 3.5 of the disk-based part of the Amiga's operating system.

And yes, you need Kickstart 3.1 for both OS 3.5 and OS 3.9.

Bye,
Thomas

[Thomas]

drewz21 wrote:
Workbench would be.  AmigaOS 3.1 and higher allow you to do most everything you need from Workbench.  CLI is not required although once you learn the commands it's faster.

Speaking of counterparts, you could add CLI <-> DOS-window.

Bye,
Thomas

[beller]

Thomas wrote:
The Amiga's operating always consisted of two parts: the Kicktart ROM and several files on disk, one of them being the command to load Workbench. At some time people started to call the entire disk part of the operating system Workbench.

Actually, I've called it Workbench since I got my A1000 in October of 85.  If you booted the 1000 it asks first for the Kickstart disk and then the Workbench.  I think the AmigaOS has ALWAYS been referred to as Workbench!

Bob

[_yak_]

I wouldn't say Workbench is like Win95. Win95 was a huge "patch" that was build on top of MS-DOS.

Workbench is more like Windows Explorer in all Windows systems. It's just a file manager, so a program and NOT some layer between system (AmigaOS) and other programs.

[mpiva]

   Well, it's probably best put this way:

Windows = AmigaOS

MS-DOS = AmigaDOS (Command Prompt = CLI/Shell)

explorer = Workbench

Remember, Workbench is JUST a file manager.  It is possible to run ANY amiga program without ever loading Workbench. I used to always boot into DiskMaster instead. In fact, your basic GUI (intuition) is available even if you boot without startup (or boot from a blank disk).

Also, for AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 you do need to have Kickstart 3.1 and it is acceptable to consider them to upgrade the entire OS (not just the Workbench as others have suggested), because even though there are no OS3.5/3.9 Kickstart CHIPS, the kickstart IS patched in memory.

Finally, you don't need a harddrive to boot into workbench but you WILL need a harddrive if you plan on using AmigaOS3.5/3.9 (they won't fit on a single disk).

[motorollin]

_yak_ wrote:
I wouldn't say Workbench is like Win95. Win95 was a huge "patch" that was build on top of MS-DOS.

That's not true. In Win95, DOS is only used to boot the system. Once the Win95 kernel is loaded, this replaces the DOS functions with its own. So Win95 is an OS in its own right, not just an app which runs on top of DOS (like Win3.x).

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moto