Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?

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Just like Jens/Individual Computers, Genesi/bPlan also has in-house competence. But the thing is - not that many years ago, Genesi offered the community to actually *pay for development* of a new PPC motherboard!

The end product would have been:
   - Flex form factor - MPC8610@1Ghz (or faster if it is economically feasable)
- 4x SATA 2 connectors
- 4x USB2 ports
- 2x Gigabit Ethernet ports
- Sound ports (Audio Out, Mic In)
- 1 PCI slot
- 1 PCI-e slot 1x
- 1 PCI-e slot 8xThe financing of the development would take place through bounties over at power2people.org, it would be 6 phases (IIRC), the result would be completely open sourced and community owned. The final cost of all stages would be $60.000 IIRC (or was it EUR? Doesn't really matter for the sake of the discussion), and this would also include a Freescale sponsored developer program with free boards donated to interesting development projects (like Genesi/Freescale has done on several occasions before).

IIRC the general opinion in the community was that this was way to expensive, few people chipped in. Yet it would only have taken ~20 people paying the X1000 end-user price to finance the entire development cost. This wasn't a charity project, it was something Genesi would "invoice" the community, because they didn't want to invest anymore in PPC themselves.

Looks nice. But seems it never went even to development board
http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/43

If it was presented to OS4 as viable platform, could saved the day.
But its still vapor.

If you could ensure both MOS team and OS4 team agreement to do OS ports and pushed the bounty more to both camps, it could succeed, hence would be no X1000. But now there is no this board, and there is X1000.

(But I'm perhaps even more astonished that the Xorro/Xena is being done all over again!)

Xena is 50$ chip and Xorro is modified PCI-E. It might yet prove useful, and open some interesting space to do something no board has done before. But I dislike propaganda it`s a transputer slot etc. that existed in early days.

"the A1-X1000 complexity" is a problem, not a solution!

Well, A1-X1000 is a solution to a problem of no high end Amiga.
Detailed analysis of this discussion would show:

a) There are people that hate they can`t get X1000 but would not get any other OS4 model (e.g SAMs or used Peg2/Old A1). Message to them is: I have been preparing 2 years financial and still will take loan of 5 years to complete it, paying higher import taxes and interests then you while I doubt you have lower wage then me. So it is possible, if you really want it.

b) There are people that want cheaper entry system, but they don`t find SAM 440 good offer for 250 euros. If we could enmass them to 600 personas, we could get lower price. Waiting for way better system for that money might not materialize soon - 100 euros is just OS4 license. Efika does cost 99$ but add 90 euros for MorphOS on top of it and you get less efficient system unexpandable at all for almost the same amounth.

c) There are people that bash X1000 just because they can, since they anyway have cheap and fast PPC Mac. Good for them, but again, I will ask the gents why they haven`t payed that PPC Mac when it was new and costed similarly? One day when X1000 becomes what PPC Macs are now it might be affordable too ...

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+1

While we are on the subject, can someone remind me who wrote OS4 and what they did for the Amiga scene before that?

Then we can list the MorphOS developers and what they did previously for the Amiga scene.

It should make for interesting reading no?

AmigaOS is direct continuation of AmigaOS no shame and no lie in that.
MorphOS and AROS are quite based from their own code, much pride in that.
Hyperion did just few game ports prior to OS4, but great ones that no one has done in Amiga world.

I have no doubts in MOS coders skills, wish we were one team, really.

Volim te BiH

You are originating from Bosnia? Nice :-)

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d) Many people think that this ng machines has nothing to do with amiga.

Dont be elitist with the price, i cant understand why some people give reasons for implying that x1000 is an amiga.

a) If we agree Amiga is only and only 68k/OCS-AGA then OS4/MOS/AROS are all unrelated. But that is way too die hard look as last CBM Amigas were PPC expanded often with RTG,MUI and AHI

b) If we do know Amiga history, we do know AmigaOS 4 is related to Amiga, as continuation of AmigaOS. I do not denie MorphOS and AROS of this heritage. Due to its past with Amiga Inc, AmigaOS owners own AmigaOne licence for hardware use.
c) We can agree, its not CBM Amiga. Its AmigaOne, as always intended to be PPC board that runs AmigaOS 4

AmigaOne is just what it is.PPC motherboard capable of running AOS 4.
I hope it could be cheaper, and draw more interest, but that task is up to A-EON. I am sure Trevor would be happy
if they could be cheaper and more attractive = selling in larger quantities and other way around :-)

Instead, I advise a positive way:
tell us what you believe could be better and included in next systems. Faster and cheaper CPU is already there. You wish Acube to do cheaper and faster entry system. I am to it. I am also looking eager to see MorphOS on DJ Nicks SAM 460 as PPC Macs are rare beast around here.Better driver support? Should be done deal with AOS 4.2

Price is simply not a thing any one of us holds hands on, especially in capitalism.

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] That is a dead issue and there are better processors than the 8610.

Sorry to hear that, it would be nice to see if Genesi would be open for other such bounty again, with any modern PPC board. I fear transition will not be a quick job, and sea of PPC Macs isn`t that endless.

License cost for the Efika is 49 EUR

Twice cheaper as any other? Nice. Sorry, I didn`t know that.

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It's mostly a complete rewrite from scratch. Why do you think it took them so long to release the first version?

Even the Frieden brothers stated this on Ann.lu many years ago.

Surely now, but it started with OS 3.0 source ....

I was asking for names of coders. Let me start it off with a few, Ralph Schmidt, Frank Mariak, Harry Sintonen, Stefan Stuntz.

Your turn.

http://www.morphos.de/team

As you do know, we poor bastards stand just with Frieden brothers and few other good men :-)

However, if you do take AmigaOS as continuation of AmigaOS, list looks good. And have some similar names.

Sadly its not the case today.

Benji boy put paid to any chance of that a long time ago.

Well, there is always hope of small market for example making people working together.

No but I have Bosnian family members.

Soon I ll start thinking everyone has a Bosnian family  :-)

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A rewrite means that it was written from scratch, no different to AROS or MorphOS.

I don't take AmigaOS as a continuation of the Amiga OS. Firstly because it's a rewrite (Remember The Friedens vs Hyperion court case?), secondly if it were it would have the legal right to use the Amiga trademark, which it doesn't.

As far as I do remember, court case has proven Amiga Inc supplied AmigaOS 3.0 code, instead Os 3.9 code. That much had to be "decoded" from assambly language and rewritten is true, however I do find it was a try to move same OS forward, unlike MorphOS and AROS that really started from scratch. It does hold right to AmigaOS name - I don`t understand what doesn`t make it an AmigaOS.

MorphOS started as a rewrite of the Amiga OS by the "superstar" coders of the Amiga scene who had spent the 90's keeping our beloved platform alive.  OS4 started because a greedy wannabe lawyer and a greedy truck driver wanted to milk as much money as they could from what was remaining of our community.

Yes, I do remember its beginning and loved it was first PPC only AOS implementation. I just could not afford a PPC expansion at the time.

I agree on Amiga Inc stance, while they have intitiated and early finaced AmigaOS 4 development, they always looked at it as some gap solution until OS5 which they newer brought to life. I feel a lot advancement after the court case on AOS4 side. How different would be if MOS was taken as basis, well we can only theorize.

I do agree MorphOS has Amiga users heritage, but isn`t AmigaOS continuation, but compatibile new OS, while AmigaOS is build on exactly same structure (not only  name bearer).

Unfortunately for Billy and Benji most of the best coders had already started the MorphOS project and they were left with hardly anyone of note to write their Amiga OS clone "AmigaOS".

Seems Hyperion was only choice. Haage & Partner (OS 3.5,OS 3.9) have already left the place.

The AROS and MorphOS teams have already worked together for years.

Glad for it.

Well I would have even more but the Chetniks brutally raped and murdered them. But that's a story for the Coffee House forum methinks

Well, as someone born in Yugoslavia, I do feel sadness for every victim (and not killed person - raped - emigrated etc.) of the civic war. However, mind that even it was promoted so, real "Chetniks" "Ustashes" as so on belong to 1945. These were brutal often paramilitaries or locally raised armies.

Feel free to open it at cofee house, I am quite fed up with revisiting any of civic wars during break up of Yugoslavia. Simply no winner and way too much victims for realistically nothing - weaker states.

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Trevor seems to me to be a thoroughly nice and genuinely honest man.  I think it's just a shame for him (and us users) that he threw his hat into the ring with those two shysters.
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ps Check your email please Jim.

Well, A-EON so far:
a) Made Nemo board for 700 pounds for beta testers
b) Made as many batches of X1000 as people demand
c) Software product: RadeonHD 3D drivers (unfinished but in development)
d) Software product: Catweasel mk2 drivers (provided with hardware)
e) Software product: Linux kernels for all major Linuxes (included with Linuxes)
f) Software product: Open Office port  (unfinished but in development)
e) Develops new Cyrus board (in development)

Leave alone Hyperion, that is most some Amiga related company did in relatively short spam of time in Amiga land.