Amiga One XE Status Update

[JurassicCamper]

Have to agree with HyperionMP here.

The 800Mhz G4 is an outdated chip. As old as the duron mentioned. A 3 year old PC had FSB of 133Mhz so this is a fare comparison.

So Mhz 4 Mhz Fsb speed 4 Fsb speed the A1 wins.

While it might not cost $99 its not made in 100,000's.

I dont feel like i'm being ripped of either.

My A500 in 1989 cost me £400 + £150 for an A501 mem expansion and its not 12" from where i type.

This is not the PC World. I'm sure Alan could have got 1.2Mhz G4's out of motorola but what if that pushes the price up by another £200 per unit ?
We are getting a trade off here. Potential loss of customers due to the price being too high for a resonable MHz level.

The Twin G4's will be available soon and i bet that will walk all over my XP1800, which is more that fast enough for my pc needs. Only just got rid of a K62 500Mhz

[amigamad]

I doubt twin g4,s will beat an althlon xp chip and the a1 price is 3 times to high already i could buy the new athlon xp 3000+ and an asus motherboard for around the 600 pound the 800mhz  g4 amigaone is costing me lets face it they even want to charge for a crapy 5 volt fan thats stuck to cpu with tape how tacky is that  does not even have something to bolt to .

[System]

Ben,

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you in regards to heat dissipation and trying to put an Athlon in an embedded situation.  That being stated, I don't consider a desktop platform such as the AmigaOne to be an embedded computer.  Forgive me if I'm wrong.

[amigamad]

@Wayne

good point via make boards with their own cpu,s and some of these dont need fans and they are very small one of the via sites i was on had lots of pictures in a gallery to show what you could do with these boards one was in a small toaster, they have the embeded market amiga have no chance these boards are also quite cheap all in one solutions.

[BCP]

Perhaps Wayne, but for those of us still using (and reasonably happy with PIII's in the 500-600 mhz range, that comparison looks pretty good.  And it looks even better when compared to an A3000 with an 060 ....
- BCP
Indpls., IN

[System]

Thanks for the update Alan.

 :-D

The talk between CPU's is kinda rediculous.
We all know the sucker is gonna fly!

And not only that...
All this talk about the fastest this and the fastest that is sooo old to me.

There's nothing out there that I need 2 GHZ for unless you're talking about windows xp.

But then again, I wouldn't touch xp with a 10 foot pole.
Been there and done that.

800 MHZ is plenty of horsepower.
Especially for the Amiga.

Nonsense I say.

Give me 800 Mhz and OS4, and I'll be happy for years to come.

I don't need the latest and the greatest to be content.

I mean crap....
Just a few months ago I was content with OS 3.9 and 40 Mhz.

Until my 1200 board was fried...
Now I patiently wait for OS4 to come.

If 800 Mhz and OS4 isn't enough for you, you've got problems.

[DaveP]

@mountain_myst

from comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
"512Kb is enough for anyone."

[Ogy]

I dont know if its me or something else but it seams that we all are talking about CPUs, but what is CPU without software. My point here is 800Mhz is more then enough to run 5-10 years old programs. My biggest concerne arround A1 is lack of software development, and that ia whats off-puting not CPU speeds...

The Cliffs On Cape

[Herewegoagain]

My point here is 800Mhz is more then enough to run 5-10 years old programs. My biggest concerne arround A1 is lack of software development, and that ia whats off-puting not CPU speeds...

Well, my PC is a PIII 1GHz, 256MB Ram, Geforce3 Ti200 64MB, 40GB UDMA100, etc.  And to be quite honest.  It runs anything I throw at it perfectly ok.  But I know how to keep  Windows running right.  Point is, an 800MHz G4 with Radeon 8500 or better would be more than enough as well.  There gets to be a point when it's all just overkill for the average user.  Who needs a 2.5GHz machine just to surf the web and check email and play MP3's?

But really, I think the apps will come once OS4 is released.  I bought the original A1000 before there was much support for it, so I remember the "wait for software" very well.  But then it seemed that before I knew it the shelves were packed with titles.

[System]

That's exactly what I'm saying.
800 mhz is not only enough to run 5 to 10 year old programs, it is also enough to run todays programs with no problem.

Freakin' good video card is all you need!

This Mhz and Ghz hype crap makes me sick.
You put 3 Ghz on windows xp and still have to wait for the icons to draw on the desktop.
Rediculous!!!

I'm running 1410 Mhz Amd with windows 2000 Pro.
No problems whatsoever.
There is nothing that I cannot do with this processor.

So why are people shouting, "we want more speed"?
Greed maybe...
That's all I can figure.
They want to have the best stuff on the block.
My machine is better than your machine.

Give me a break.
Where does it end?

It doesn't.

[DaveP]

@Mountain_Myst

"That's exactly what I'm saying.
800 mhz is not only enough to run 5 to 10 year old programs, it is also enough to run todays programs with no problem."

Look if I had a problem with 800Mhz I would not have
spent 1300UKP ( roughly 1900EUROs ) on a "Power
System" from Eyetech.

But people like to bitch rather than vote with their
wallet.

[Ogy]

Something like that.

For gods sake we still havent got even decent browser and we worry about some bloody Mhz. When you pay attention to software like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, Explorer,...etc. they will all hapilly run on way bellow 800Mhz. Problem is we havent got Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, Explorer...etc.

Going back to A1000 issue. It was OK because A1000 was far superior machine then anything else on the market and therefore it quickly atracted developers.

A1, hardware vise is truly backwards so no developers will be atracted to program for outdated chipsets.

I wish I am wrong so I can once more boot my beloved OS.

[HyperionMP]

Wayne, I agree with you that the A1 is not an embedded system (although I already know two companies which are going to use it in Linux server racks because of the low heat dissipation).

But we have to look at the bigger picture here: AmigaOS development cannot gone on solely on the basis of sales in the tiny desktop market which we only a consider as a stepping stone.

We are keenly eyeing the embedded multimedia systems market which is much, much larger and therefore potentially much more lucrative.

I'm thinking of things like kiosk systems, point of sale systems and STB's.

That's always been the middle to longer term goal.

There, the low footprint of the OS both in terms of memory usage and CPU requirements, it's near Real Time behavior, very fast booting times etc. are ke selling points, especially combined with the content available for it (which is far greater than the content for say QNX).

In this market the PPC CPU family can really shine, especially with IBM now even offering solutions in the low-end of the market which rival StrongARM and X-Scale based solutions in terms of performance and power-consumption.

Very concrete plans are under way in this area but I cannot comment any further at this stage.

[System]

Man....

Got to love those Hyperion fellows.   ;-)

[DaveP]

@HyperionMP

Deliver OS4 damn you!!!!!!!! :-D

<-- frustration starting to tell

[System]

Yeah DagNabbit...

We know what you're hiding.

You've got the goods, and we want em.

Your aren't fooling anyone, buddy.
Give us the goods.

 :-P