How Legal is MorphOS?

[the_leander]

Abox has a compatible API.

Exactly. And Ben Hermans has a hell of a lot to answer for regarding the instigating of this particular rumour.

But seriously, at this point, how can it be any less "legal" than AmigaOS?

It's legality was never in question, any more than AROS's was. Unless you were the above mentioned lawyer or an OS4 fanatic.

[the_leander]

MorphOS should get their own forum or if they have one.. use it.  MorphOS isn't Amiga and Amiga isn't MorphOS.

For many people, neither is any of the AmigaNG stuff, including but not limited to OS4.

They just come here to market their software that is all, but I guess there is nothing wholly wrong in doing that.

Because the OS4 crowd totally don't use this place for the same. Your post being a wonderful example of this btw.

You'll note that the vast majority of traffic for this site deals with issues concerning the classic Amiga.

But at the end of the day MorphOS will take it's own route and go where it wants (and die eventually) where as Amiga OS still has the brand name in a positive light and will live a good while yet.

You are kidding right? Whilst either OS is tied to PPC, they are dead ends. Further the Amiga brand name has earned itself a position not unlike that of Scientology within the IT world.

It is remembered outside of the community by two groups primarily: Those who used them during the C= days, and those who got screwed over the various scams committed during the early part of this decade by the current lot.

Back to 2010.  Retro-gaming is big once again as a new generation discovers the 'golden years in computing' - Hyperion/A-Eon needs to capitalise on this fast and progressively market this thing in the summer across the four corners of the internet.

Except that their offerings don't yet support the retro crowd anywhere near as well as UAE on affordable hardware. And then you have Minimig, which for the same retro crowd is going to be able to offer a much more authentic feel than UAE on any platform.

but make sure that the X1000 can easily load .ADF files more seamlessly.

So what you want is for the X1000, which will cost "north of £1500" to be marketed as a UAE box? Even when the OS4 version of UAE is markedly less advanced than the windows version, and when fpga based solutions costing a fraction are available now?

I swear every time I read this sort of tripe, the reasons for my misgivings over AmigaNG are made all the more clear.

[the_leander]

So they are some documentations which says how AmigaOS 3.x behave in which situations? Do we have chance to find them are there opensource?

The APIs are public, see programming manuals written for the Amiga. The reason they're public is to allow developers to come to the platform and make software for it.

Haiku uses the same technique of reverse engineering based on the available APIs for BeOS. It too is completely Legal.

Also if it is in API level completable why AROS can not do same as morphos even it needs UAE in some how?

*Sigh* API compatible, not binary. What this means is if you have the source code for an amiga program, you can compile it for both AOS and AROS and it'll work on both with little or no modification.

An emulation layer is present on MorphOS, OS4 and being developed for AROS currently so as to allow programs compiled to run on original hardware to run on the newer stuff.

After agreement wit Amiga Inc. and Hyperion I think there is no problem for now for AmigaOS 4.x serries.

There is no problem for AROS or MorphOS either.

[the_leander]

Maybe, but MorphOS won't catch on in the real world that I live in.

Neither can OS4. They are relics. Their one and only shot of making a viable niche for themselves as anything other than a hobby ended a decade ago.

  If MorphOS really cared about the Amiga (which clearly they do to an extent as they based their whole OS around it) and ($$$) wanted to make some real money they should ditch MorphOS and join AOS4.1 as thats where real money lies.

There is no "real money" in the Amiga. It is a hobbyist market. The sooner you wake up to the fact the better.

The MorphOS team have proved they can make a working OS and have played their cards and showed they have some real talent; now is the time to put it all to some real use and support the platform - the Amiga.  All it takes is one phone call.

This has to be one of the most saddening and slightly creepy posts I've read on here in a long, long time. Do you even know the crap that went off over the past 10 years?!

[the_leander]

Snippets of it yes.

So in fact the answer is no, you don't know what went off.

We are talking about different people now with different ideas and goals and ambitions.  You can't brand them (Hyperion) with the 'crap' that went off over the past 10 years.  A.Inc no longer has anything to do with Amiga, Hyperion do, Hyperion are the ones taking the OS positively forward step by step.

No sir, I'm not talking about different people. And if you knew your history you would understand that.

It maybe a hobbyist market right now, but it certainly doesn't have to be this way forever.

I've tried to be gentle about this but it's clearly not sinking in. Right here we go:

Amiga, in all its flavours is currently and will forever be a hobbyist market. The desktop market is saturated, mature and there isn't either the resources or money required to make even a dent into it. It's sewn up.

Yes you are right this is probably the final chance for the Amiga,

I didn't say that. I said and I quote: "They are relics. Their one and only shot of making a viable niche for themselves as anything other than a hobby ended a decade ago."

Emphasis mine. The Amiga is a hobby machine. Get used to it.

But regardless the world is still a place of opportunities, it can't be just PC and Apple forever - every industry has to have competition or there is stagnation and no innovation.

It's called open source. You might want to look into it. Software is more and more becoming a commodity as the market matures.

Hardware too has long since gotten to the stage where outside of ultra high end gaming, it's "good enough". Right now the current market is pushing toward lifestyle PCs along the same lines as the iMac. Sure there are still big box systems out there, but smaller boxes with enough power are becoming more and more commonplace and laptops are now selling faster than both combined because put simply: People don't want to have hulking great towers in their homes if they don't need to.

Regular people will look at a Windows box and Mac and even once in a blue moon a Linux box and compare them for their needs. If PC World for instance started selling X1000's tomorrow at £1500, with a fully ported and optimised OS4 running on it, how well would it compare to either of those three in reality?

Answers on the back of a postcard to the usual address.

With the right management team in place and dedication there is nothing at all stopping them from taking a bigger chunk.

Except being 20 years behind the times, on a dead end cpu architecture (for desktop use),costing about x10 what a comparable box offers outside of this market does, having a tiny fraction of the developers for even just the Linux kernel and zero investment. But beyond that, sure, every chance in the world.

[the_leander]

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Part of it is even available for free:
http://www.haage-partner.de/download/AmigaOS/NDK39.lha

Also try here.