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Title: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: amoskodare on May 28, 2010, 09:38:02 PM
Posted on A-Eon.com 27 May 2010

AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program

You may have read in various interviews that AmigaOS 4.1 has been booting to Workbench on the AmigaOne X1000 hardware for quite some time. We can also confirm that additional Nemo prototypes have been supplied to several OS4 developers to allow them to complete the necessary onboard hardware drivers (SATA, Ethernet and HD sound, USB is already mostly working). Meanwhile a revision 2 version of the Nemo motherboard is being finalised and to ensure we have the widest possible testing we are making 100 Rev 2 motherboards available to Beta testers under a special discount program.

We have received many request from Amigans who wish to join the Beta Test team and these will be processed by Hyperion-Entertainment who are coordinating the Beta Test program in conjunction with A-EON Technology.
Trevor Dickinson
A-EON Technology CVBA

http://www.a-eon.com/news.html
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Pyromania on May 29, 2010, 12:18:02 AM
Nice news
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: klx300r on May 29, 2010, 12:44:20 AM
great news:)
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: amigadave on May 29, 2010, 05:32:56 AM
I searched all over the A-EON and Hyperion websites and could not find any information about the A1-X1000 Beta Test Team Program or its cost, or when it will start.

Does anyone have this information or know where to find it?  What is the discounted cost to participate in the Beta Test Team Program?
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: ssolie on May 29, 2010, 06:08:40 AM
@amigadave
Basically, you email them and then you will get more details like cost, etc. There is no commitment until you sign an agreement. If you don't like the terms of the contract then don't sign and nothing is lost.

BTW, so far I haven't seen any agreement so I really can't say what it contains or doesn't contain yet. I did participate in the original Eyetech A1-XE program when it came out so I figure I'll look into this one as well.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: dammy on May 29, 2010, 07:11:39 PM
750 Euros deposit on a Dev mobo? Why didn't they just get the 100 Dev mobos and then advertise them to OS4 Devs and beta testers and skip the deposit?  Or is the required deposit more of a trial balloon to see what future sales are going to look like?  I do like the bit no one will be considered a end user if they are chosen.  Will that mean EU consumer laws do not apply?  I'll take a guess that will mean that the consumer release, those buying these Dev mobos will have to pay for that OS release.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: ssolie on May 30, 2010, 12:00:05 AM
Quote from: dammy;561927
Will that mean EU consumer laws do not apply?

Companies cannot just circumvent laws when they feel like it you know. Come on guys.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: ssolie on May 30, 2010, 12:03:11 AM
Quote from: amigadave;561835
Does anyone have this information or know where to find it?

Looks like Hyperion posted some information over at AmigaWorld.net (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5453&start=43) now.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Methuselas on May 30, 2010, 09:07:02 AM
For the "lazy" people:

@all

The beta program is intended for dedicated people with the following skillset:

- ability to assemble a full system with just a bare motherboard and memory provided to you

- ability to file accurate and detailed bugreports in a dedicated bugtracker (Bugzilla) in order to help AmigaOS 4 developers track down any remaining issues

- sufficient dedication and time to test newly developed components which are released on a daily basis (as is the case now for AmigaOS development and AmigaOS betatesters)

- adherence to the terms of a NDA as part of a larger contract which allows everyone to pull out with a full refund prior to actual shipping of the hardware

- a 750 euro deposit to attract the most dedicated people.

Note that you will NOT be considered an end-user if you are allowed into the betatest program.


The beta program is quite explicitly NOT intended for:

- people with limited knowledge of AmigaOS

- people with insufficient skills to assemble a system with a bare motherboard as a starting point

- people with insufficient time and dedication to carry out the required testing of software components and file bugreports against the appropriate AmigaOS components

- people who beieve that by signing up, they will learn the identity of the CPU or other undisclosed information which most likely will only be disclosed prior to shipping at which time they can bail out with a full refund if they don't like the specs

- people who do not intend to abide by the terms of the contract including the NDA provisions (which they can evaluate prior to signing or not signing) as this will not be taken lightly at all
 
This is a limited, closed betaprogram intended to ensure the best end-user experience possible.

Existing AmigaOS 4 betatesters have precedence over "newbies" and people with a development trackrecord will have precedence over people without such trackrecord. Other than that, it will be "first come, first served".


*   *    *

Yeah, 750 euro "deposit" to test a sub-par OS on a motherboard, that is for all intents and purposes, an a) over priced motherboard based on specs that the *DEVELOPERS* wanted and b) not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted.

I'm still waiting to get my 50$ back on a coupon for an OS I couldn't use, for a motherboard that I couldn't justify spending a ton of money on. When are you people gonna learn?

This is disappointing, but gets better and better.........
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Methuselas on May 30, 2010, 09:09:23 AM
Quote from: ssolie;561968
Companies cannot just circumvent laws when they feel like it you know. Come on guys.


Tell that to Amiga Inc.......
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 30, 2010, 09:16:26 AM
*One hundred* boards (I read somewhere that it's actually half(!) of their planned initial production volume since they have ordered some 200+ CPU's) *sold* to consumers (but: "Note that you will NOT be considered an end-user if you are allowed into the betatest program"), with a hefty *750 EUR prepayment*(!! Do they never learn?), for a product still lacking the necessary onboard hardware drivers (OS4 USB drivers has been "almost working" for how many years now?).

If what they wanted would have been some help with beta testing, they could have provided a select few handfuls of competent "power users" with the product (by lending it to them, or giving it to them as a reward for their beta testing work), and the link to the bugzilla tracker, and they would be done! They probably already have a list of people they could have turned to since before.

This is nothing but a 75,000+ EUR fundraiser targeted to the broad public. They obviously need money (which is a bit troublesome in my eyes). So they sell their undeveloped thing by prepayment and the condition that you won't be treated as a consumer, you sign away your right to complain about the product, and they can sue you if you still do it in public. What a scheme...

(EDIT: I added a plus sign after the 200 number above, in order to prevent people from calling me a blatant liar. Of course my point still remains though; had they wanted aid in beta testing the thing, they could simply have provided boards to the usual beta testers. But this *enormous* volume, in combination that they are *selling* the boards, in combination with *pre-payment*, clearly suggests that this is something else than a beta tester program.)
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 30, 2010, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: ssolie;561845
@amigadave

I did participate in the original Eyetech A1-XE program when it came out


That should have made you know better this time around IMO...

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so I figure I'll look into this one as well.


...but obviously some people never learn. But hey, weren't you the guy who bought a "Troika Panda"? Ah, yes. Forget it then, I rest my case...
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: dammy on May 30, 2010, 12:41:56 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;562012

This is nothing but a 75,000+ EUR fundraiser targeted to the broad public. They obviously need money (which is a bit troublesome in my eyes). So they sell their undeveloped thing by prepayment and the condition that you won't be treated as a consumer, you sign away your right to complain about the product, and they can sue you if you still do it in public. What a scheme...


Let us not forget this is JUST a DEPOSIT.  How much do you think A-EON wants, HALF down maybe?  So if it's half down, total discounted price of these Dev mobo will be 1,500 EUROs @ for Rev 3 CPU/mobo.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Akiko on May 30, 2010, 01:07:47 PM
See the trolls are hard at it!
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 30, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: Akiko;562040
See the trolls are hard at it!


Always interesting to see how some people (always the same people) gets upset, *not* with the fishy scheme laid out in front of them, but with the people pointing out the fishy details about it. "The trolls are hard at it", yeah right.

BOHICA! (Bend Over, Here It Comes Again!) And you do just that. With a goofy smile on your face. "Maybe I won't get screwed *this* time?"

Boing! Boing!
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: dammy on May 30, 2010, 03:43:33 PM
Quote from: Akiko;562040
See the trolls are hard at it!


Yeah, damn trolls only announcing a partial cost in a pre-pay scheme. The nerve!
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Salup on May 30, 2010, 03:47:49 PM
You of course don't have any proof for a single word of that post. Can you for example point me in the direction of where they have said that 200 is their initial production run? No, didn't think so. But its not unexpected coming from you.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Methuselas on May 30, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: Akiko;562040
See the trolls are hard at it!


I'm not even going to offer up a response, since it's obvious your opinion is biased.


Don't ever refer to me as a "troll" again. :madashell:
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: persia on May 30, 2010, 10:23:45 PM
Not a deal I'd be willing to sign on for, that's for sure.  My time is worth money.  Are there 100 desperate souls out there?  We'll soon find out...
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: dammy on May 31, 2010, 01:23:53 AM
Quote from: persia;562130
Not a deal I'd be willing to sign on for, that's for sure.  My time is worth money.  Are there 100 desperate souls out there?  We'll soon find out...


No, the question is, "Are there 100 desperate RICH souls out there?"  If the deposit is 750 Euros, one could wonder just how much the total will be at shipping of the product.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: takemehomegrandma on May 31, 2010, 03:55:53 PM
Quote from: Salup;562066
You of course don't have any proof for a single word of that post. Can you for example point me in the direction of where they have said that 200 is their initial production run? No, didn't think so. But its not unexpected coming from you.


Their initial production run is probably *less* than 200 (it's more likely to be *100 tops*, at least if they actually get one hundred people to pre-pay, which I kind of doubt). Then it will probably be followed by another 2x50 or 100 some time after that. If the market for 1,500+ EUR obscure HW hasn't been saturated by then...

What they said was they have ordered 200 processors, and they are obviously not going to build motherboards without CPU's fitted since the board is designed around a highly integrated SoC CPU's. The direction? Well, try searching amigaworld.net, IIRC that's the place the number came from. I can't remember if it was Trevor Dick or Ben Hermans that provided the number. Probably Dick.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Varthall on May 31, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;562010

Yeah, 750 euro "deposit" to test a sub-par OS on a motherboard, that is for all intents and purposes, an a) over priced motherboard based on specs that the *DEVELOPERS* wanted and b) not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted.

I'm still waiting to get my 50$ back on a coupon for an OS I couldn't use, for a motherboard that I couldn't justify spending a ton of money on. When are you people gonna learn?

This is disappointing, but gets better and better.........

What should people learn? That *you* cannot justify spending money on it? Why should this change if I should be interested on it or not?

varthall
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Varthall on May 31, 2010, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;562012
*One hundred* boards (I read somewhere that it's actually half(!) of their planned initial production volume since they have ordered 200 CPU's) *sold* to consumers (but: "Note that you will NOT be considered an end-user if you are allowed into the betatest program"), with a hefty *750 EUR prepayment*(!! Do they never learn?), for a product still lacking the necessary onboard hardware drivers (OS4 USB drivers has been "almost working" for how many years now?).

The OS4 USB drivers has been working for years!

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If what they wanted would have been some help with beta testing, they could have provided a select few handfuls of competent "power users" with the product (by lending it to them, or giving it to them as a reward for their beta testing work), and the link to the bugzilla tracker, and they would be done! They probably already have a list of people they could have turned to since before.

And those people will be the one who will probably respond to the announce.

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This is nothing but a 75,000+ EUR fundraiser targeted to the broad public. They obviously need money (which is a bit troublesome in my eyes). So they sell their undeveloped thing by prepayment and the condition that you won't be treated as a consumer, you sign away your right to complain about the product, and they can sue you if you still do it in public. What a scheme...

And you have the possibility to get a machine *now*, help the development of OS4 and get the latest OS4 features before the other normal users do.

Varthall
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Varthall on May 31, 2010, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;562209
Their initial production run is probably *less* than 200 (it's more likely to be *100 tops*, at least if they actually get one hundred people to pre-pay, which I kind of doubt). Then it will probably be followed by another 2x50 or 100 some time after that. If the market for 1,500+ EUR obscure HW hasn't been saturated by then...

What they said was they have ordered 200 processors, and they are obviously not going to build motherboards without CPU's fitted since the board is designed around a highly integrated SoC CPU's. The direction? Well, try searching amigaworld.net, IIRC that's the place the number came from. I can't remember if it was Trevor Dick or Ben Hermans that provided the number. Probably Dick.

I also can't find on amigaworld.net the statement you have mentioned...

Varthall
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Salup on June 01, 2010, 01:50:24 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;562209
What they said was they have ordered 200 processors, and they are obviously not going to build motherboards without CPU's fitted since the board is designed around a highly integrated SoC CPU's. The direction? Well, try searching amigaworld.net, IIRC that's the place the number came from. I can't remember if it was Trevor Dick or Ben Hermans that provided the number. Probably Dick.

They have never said that, in fact they have only said that they have ordered MORE THAN 200 processors, without giving a specific number. So, you don't recall correctly, instead you are making things up.

Edit: I didn't want you to still believe your lies so I decided to actually find the source for the statement about the number of processors.

"Hmmm! I was going to ignore your post but I thought I make one last attempt to put your mind at ease.

1. We already have a motherboard with chosen CPU. Orders are already in place for a significant quantities of the CPU. (far in excess of 200)"

From http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30844&forum=33&start=180&viewmode=flat&order=0#541249
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 01, 2010, 03:32:38 PM
@Varthall

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The OS4 USB drivers has been working for years!


Not very good as far as I can understand by reading comments on aw.net, not on A1, and not on Sam. Frequent data corruption in mass storage devices, dropping connections, etc, etc, etc.

But anyway, what I meant was USB2 (the '2' digit got lost somehow): "The OS4 USB2 drivers has been 'almost working' for how many years now?"


@Salup

Eh, OK, I have now edited my post #11. Every single point I made in that post still remains though, but I hope that this small edit in the semantics makes you happy.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: jorkany on June 01, 2010, 09:05:55 PM
This keeps getting better all the time! I can't wait for the pre-order "scheme".
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Salup on June 02, 2010, 04:37:41 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;562392
@Varthall

Eh, OK, I have now edited my post #11. Every single point I made in that post still remains though, but I hope that this small edit in the semantics makes you happy.


You haven't changed anything significant. 200 is just a random number proposed by some random user at amigaworld.net. 200 is not a number ever mentioned by A-Eon except for saying that it is significantly lower than the actual number of CPUs they have ordered. Thus, your post is still not based on any real facts.

You also don't have any factual support for your statement that the 750 euro deposits is just a way for A-Eon to raise money. There is no way for you of knowing that they don't have enough money for a production run. In fact, I think it seems highly unlikely that the people involved would start a project like this without enough available resources.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: persia on June 02, 2010, 05:02:01 AM
On the other hand a few quid wouldn't hurt in these days of the collapsing Euro...

A pre-paid beta test sucks, big time..
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Salup on June 02, 2010, 05:21:13 AM
I would never go for it, but that is just because I am a bit to fond of my money. However, that does not mean that I pretend to know that A-Eon need this money to finance their first production run.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Methuselas on June 02, 2010, 09:16:50 AM
Quote from: Varthall;562227
What should people learn?

Simple economics and free enterprise. I'm assuming that you do know the difference between "supply" and "demand".

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That *you* cannot justify spending money on it?
I'm not the only one apparently. 1500 euros is a lot to spend on an "updated" machine that is still light years behind my main machine, which is by PC standards, now "antiquated". MorphOS got it right with the Efika (and it was still a POS mobo) and then with porting to the Mac Mini. Why? Cheap, readily available hardware.

PPC is dead as a desktop platform. *EVERYONE*knows that the eventual migration of the AmigaOS would naturally progress to the X86 platform. The longer they wait, they more potential end users they lose.

It's all about mathematics...... not rocket science.....


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Why should this change if I should be interested on it or not?

varthall

I never said it did, nor should it, but tell me why you're getting all butt-hurt for me stating the blatantly obvious??? :lol:
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: jj on June 02, 2010, 11:41:49 AM
But they will cling onto expensive hardware as long as they can.
 
There is no money is making a x86 port because
 
1)  will  not sell many
2)  Will be pirated
3) No money from over priced hardware
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: dammy on June 02, 2010, 02:17:44 PM
Quote from: JJ;562536
But they will cling onto expensive hardware as long as they can.
 
There is no money is making a x86 port because
 
1)  will  not sell many
2)  Will be pirated
3) No money from over priced hardware


Well, I think OS4 should be always just for PPC.  However, problem for OS4 is that Hyperion/A-EON will never sell that many.  There is no money for hardware that won't sell regardless how over priced it is.  If they don't have sales, they don't have to worry too much about piracy, no one will want to pirate it.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Varthall on June 03, 2010, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: Methuselas;562532

Quote from: Varthall

What should people learn?

Simple economics and free enterprise. I'm assuming that you do know the difference between "supply" and "demand".

What you mentioned is that people should learn about the general public/the Amiga community not wanting the motherboard (which is not true, since there has been a market for AmigaOnes and Sams, and people are showing interest on the X1000) and that you couldn't justify spending money for it. Hence I question why people should learn about it.

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That *you* cannot justify spending money on it?

I'm not the only one apparently. 1500 euros is a lot to spend on an "updated" machine that is still light years behind my main machine, which is by PC standards, now "antiquated". MorphOS got it right with the Efika (and it was still a POS mobo) and then with porting to the Mac Mini. Why? Cheap, readily available hardware.

You have your reasons for not liking that machine, and your view shared by other people in the community, but that doesn't mean it must be for everyone as you implied.

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PPC is dead as a desktop platform. *EVERYONE*knows that the eventual migration of the AmigaOS would naturally progress to the X86 platform. The longer they wait, they more potential end users they lose.

It's all about mathematics...... not rocket science.....

I think that *EVERYONE* knows that not all the people think the same, that not everyone would like to see an x86 migration and that PPC could still be a viable niche platform. This is mathematics as well :-)

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I never said it did, nor should it, but tell me why you're getting all butt-hurt for me stating the blatantly obvious??? :lol:

I'm not hurt in any way, but anyway you said it:
"not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted."
And you said it again now, saying that it's blatantly obvious :-)

Varthall
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: a1200 on June 03, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
OS4 should have been made open source when Eyetech pulled out of the game, since then, very little progress and OS4 is no better off years later (despite the fanboys saying otherwise). I have washed my hands of it, the whole thing is a joke and I am glad to not be a part of it.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: Methuselas on June 03, 2010, 11:42:49 PM
Quote from: Varthall;562642
What you mentioned is that people should learn about the general public/the Amiga community not wanting the motherboard (which is not true, since there has been a market for AmigaOnes and Sams, and people are showing interest on the X1000) and that you couldn't justify spending money for it. Hence I question why people should learn about it.

No, what I mentioned is supply and demand. Currently the supply is either a series of underpowered (by current PC, Mac and Linux standards) motherboards running an underpowered OS or a single *HIGH* priced motherboard, which is *STILL* under current PC, Mac and Linux standards and running the same, underpowered OS. The demand, however, is cheap, available hardware, that isn't a "precious commodity".

I also mentioned economics. Hyperion and A-EON are businesses, pure and simple. They're in the business to make money, but instead of pushing for more sales in the form of a smaller margin, they're attempting to bleed as much as they can from the smallest, available source which isn't their true demograph. That's not a) good business or b) good marketing.


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You have your reasons for not liking that machine, and your view shared by other people in the community, but that doesn't mean it must be for everyone as you implied.
I never said I didn't like the machine. I simply stated that once again, one the last of the Amiga "companies" has dropped the ball. I think the specs of the machine are great (aside from the all but useless "Xorro" Slot) - for a machine that should have come out 5+ years ago.

I have ample support for the Indivision and the ZorRam. Why? 'Cos it's inexpensive hardware that actually *DOES* something.

If I buy the X1000 am I going to get to play Crisis or any other recent game? No. Am I going to get OpenOffice or MSOffice support? No. Will I get a fully working CSS browser? Maybe, but this is still under debate. Will I get JAVA support? No.

The money I'd spend on an X1000 would be better spent on a PC or a Mac that can do all the commonly done tasks I need to accomplish, daily. Yes, that is *MY* opinion, but it is *ALSO* one supported by a significant portion of the Amiga community.


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I think that *EVERYONE* knows that not all the people think the same, that not everyone would like to see an x86 migration and that PPC could still be a viable niche platform. This is mathematics as well :-)

I also think that the *SMART* ones are aware that we're dominated by X86 technology and only a fool cannot see that. The Amiga is *NOT* a "viable, niche platform" and it never will be. Not until we get something like the Iphone or Ipad. Something that *EVERYONE* is going to want, need and have a use for.


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I'm not hurt in any way, but anyway you said it:
"not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted."
And you said it again now, saying that it's blatantly obvious :-)

Varthall
First off, if you're going to quote me, do it verbatim in toto. What I said, exactly, is:

"Yeah, 750 euro "deposit" to test a sub-par OS on a motherboard, that is for all intents and purposes, an a) over priced motherboard based on specs that the *DEVELOPERS* wanted and b) not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted."

I'm going to quote Trevor Dickinson here:

"Prior to beginning the development, we assembled a hardware review team which included Hyperion and key AmigaOS 4 developers. After some intensive research and discussions, the team drew up a "wish list" specification for the ideal AmigaOS 4 computer."

http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction.php&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

The link is there to provide the proof against the whole "you made it up" from the Zealots.

So, my last point is, since when was a "hardware review team which included Hyperion and key, AmigaOS 4 developers" to become the pseudonym for "general public, ie the Amiga Community"?

So, I go back, once again to, if they want my support and *MY* money, give me something that *I* want and can use, instead of something that *THEY* want.

That's all I'm going to say on this matter and for me, this is the end of the discussion.

Quote from: a1200;562643
OS4 should have been made open source when Eyetech pulled out of the game, since then, very little progress and OS4 is no better off years later (despite the fanboys saying otherwise). I have washed my hands of it, the whole thing is a joke and I am glad to not be a part of it.


I couldn't say it better.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: runequester on June 18, 2010, 05:41:43 PM
I guess I dont have a dog in this race at the moment, but why would they send out a bunch of motherboards for free to random people on the internet ?


as far as "powerPC is dead!" or "OS4 is underpowered!!"... nyeh. Who cares. EVERY aspect of the amiga is "dead" and "outdated" and this will never change. Not 3.x, not 4.x, not morph os, not aros. People like to get tribal about this and pretend their particular choice is somehow better and totally unlike everything else.

On a big scale, nobody gives a crap about whether there's a new machine running OS4 costing a billion dollars. Nobody gives a crap that you can run morph os on a crap old mac. Nobody even knows what the hell AROS is.

What does matter is that YOU get personal enjoyment out of it.
My linux peecee can do everything that ANY of the above machines can do, faster, better, more stable, at less cost and with no limits on my freedom.

But I use my A1200 running 3.1 more because its fun to me.


I may buy a SAM because it looks like it's fun.
Some people use Morph OS because they think its fun.
Some people use AROS because they think its fun.

And you know what ? THats the only thing that matters. Not any of this tribal crap.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: klx300r on June 18, 2010, 09:53:30 PM
Quote from: runequester;565418

And you know what ? THats the only thing that matters. Not any of this tribal crap.


+1:)..it's all about the fun baby:afro:
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: persia on June 18, 2010, 11:51:27 PM
Yeah, I guess what you do for fun is a personal thing.  I spend way more than €1500 on other computer stuff (iPad, android tablets, Mac Mini etc), so who am I to decide how others spend there money.

This isn't a mass market machine, it'll likely never see more than a few hundred made, to some people that justifies the €1500 by itself.  I reacted strongly in the past because I wanted a cutting edge machine for a cheap price, like the original Amiga, but this isn't 1985.  The fact that there's an AmigaLike machine in 2010 that actually stacks up against low end CURRENT machines is phenomenal, to say the least.
Title: Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
Post by: slaapliedje on November 05, 2010, 04:00:27 AM
Just thought I'd throw in on this;

While I think the X1000 is interesting, and quit frankly if I weren't in the process of buying a house, I would have bought one.  But the more I think about it, the more I think that it would have been better to go with a Cell processor for a desktop system, or go with an ARM on a cell phone.  But then I also think, well while AmigaOS is awesome, is there really much that's made specifically for version 4.x that isn't out there in some open source form for Linux or other operating systems?

Really, they should have opened up AmigaOS and sold hardware for it, the progression would (could) have been awesome.

slaapliedje