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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Iggy on November 19, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
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Might as well get in a point or two in case I face a future ban.
Quote "I don't think TMHG was really at fault though. In fact, for him he was relatively restrained about OS4 :)"
Really? He's always seemed rabidly blue to me ( most of the time anyway).
And, yeah, just seeing Dammy here again is enough to ruin anyone's day that wants to support the further development Amigoid environments.
I have and will, be supportive of ALL of everyone varied interests and usually I can respect others opinions.
But, and this is very important, I expect the same consideration in return.
So, I will never be dismissive of what you support and your interests, please don't have the temerity to tell me I don't have the right to hold my own opinions or beliefs.
And one of those is that NG OS' can be developed to the point where they have real utility and, in many cases, those systems can be used to replace so called "modern PCs".
For God's sake some of you still find realistic uses for legacy hardware!
So, here's my plea. Stop pointing fingers. It's not my fault, TMHGM's fault, and it wasn't totally Magnetic and Franko's fault.
We all need to take this a little less seriously, realize we're all on common ground here,, and stop trying to be control freaks.
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"What we have here is failure to communicate" -Cool Hand Luke
Or as I like to put it, "If you can't say anything nice, Shaddhap!!!"
Seriously, I agree that no one is really out to start a fight but those who get into it with others feel they have to not defend, but fight for their side/view/flavor when it comes to the various Amiga type OSs.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is a board for all types of Amiga based platforms and all levels of users are welcome, just don't go shovin' your ideas down someone else's thread.
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realize we're all on common ground here
But we're not on common ground here, that's the problem.
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But we're not on common ground here, that's the problem.
Well, if not, my own interests span enough of these ares that I'm open to discussion.
And when we don't/can't agree, then there's always humor.
Its of a the main of the things I come here for.
News, interaction, relaxation.
Don't want to come to Wayne's POV where I find the contention too much of a distraction.
The last few years have brought us some great stuff in all areas.
Looking forward to some more.
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@Iggy
OMG, what is it *this* time? :rolleyes: Please keep me out of your bantering!
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@Iggy
OMG, what is it *this* time? :rolleyes: Please keep me out of your bantering!
:whack:
Never! Because I just love you SO much.
Actually, we do have a lot in common, but you're so blue you ought to be a Smurf.
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Iggy,
The purpose of this discussion board is not to be an arena for you to categorize people, "colorize" people, insult people, etc. It's a discussion board where everyone can talk about all things Amiga. Hence you *can* speak out your opinion about the "Xcore/Xena/Xorro" of the X1000, which also includes critical opinions, at least it *should* be, and this *without* being haunted and taunted, called a troll etc by you or "your friend" amigadave (who also happens to be a *moderator* of this board(!)).
I don't know if you are drunk or just rambling here, but this was probably the most pointless thread amiga.org has seen in a long time, and while I don't mind you having a "wet monday" or whatever (couldn't care less), I kindly ask you to not drag me into it. If you want my opinions on the viability of the X1000 project, then you can have it, but don't start up a bloody thread just to play some blame game for... well, whatever it is *this* time??!
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:rolleyes:
TMHG, I think it is safe to say that you are really into MorphOS, right? Okay, cool. That's all he was saying. The whole purpose of this thread is to *hopefully* mend some wounds and bridge some gaps.
It is obvious that you Don't see what Iggy is saying as funny. I do and I think most others do to. And the only Comment of his that I can see what him defending you.
You posted here first so he didn't "drag" you into it either so you can't post on a thread and then say that! Seriously? By entering the thread you are IN THE THREAD!!!
So take a break, have a drink and then respond. I think this will all turn out for the best.:D
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Iggy,
The purpose of this discussion board is not to be an arena for you to categorize people, "colorize" people, insult people, etc. It's a discussion board where everyone can talk about all things Amiga. Hence you *can* speak out your opinion about the "Xcore/Xena/Xorro" of the X1000, which also includes critical opinions, at least it *should* be, and this *without* being haunted and taunted, called a troll etc by you or "your friend" amigadave (who also happens to be a *moderator* of this board(!)).
I don't know if you are drunk or just rambling here, but this was probably the most pointless thread amiga.org has seen in a long time, and while I don't mind you having a "wet monday" or whatever (couldn't care less), I kindly ask you to not drag me into it. If you want my opinions on the viability of the X1000 project, then you can have it, but don't start up a bloody thread just to play some blame game for... well, whatever it is *this* time??!
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Unnecessarily ugly comment there tmhgm.
And Golden was right, I wasn't rambling, that was pretty concise.
And we know your opinion.
And, no, I don't think you are a Troll for holding it.
While I find the X1000 interesting, the logic in spending 3 grand for a sub G5 performance system doesn't add up.
I also thought I was pretty clear that I wasn't blaming anyone.
"this was probably the most pointless thread amiga.org has seen in a long time"
not possible - even if I tried too, I couldn't top some of the ones I've seen in the last few years
if it had been pointless, I would have posted it in the coffee house
My point here, and you are kind of helping to prove it, is that when we hold contrary points of view we get so wrapped up in our own opinion that we make inconsiderate remarks to each other (kind of like what you just did).
I don't come here to make enemies, and as a strong supporter of MorphOS you are a natural ally.
And David, yes he's my friend too.
David's got Legacy hardware, MorphOS hardware, and OS4 hardware (including the previously mentioned X1000)
And he's such a fanatical supporter of MorphOS that he's sending G5s all the way to South Africa so that bigfoot can finish porting MorphOS to that platform.
If you wanted to prove my points, you post went a long way toward that.
Unlike some of us, I myself, David and many others don't want to discourage ANY development in the Amiga community.
And yeah, I helped tank last night's thread.
But I know this about you, like me, you believe that in MorphOS we have something good, with real utility, that's only going to get better.
So if somebody attacked you because you "couldn't" find your NG system to be a valid substitute for a "modern PC", how would you feel?
BTW - No hostilities brother.
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TMHG, I think it is safe to say that you are really into MorphOS, right? Okay, cool. That's all he was saying.
Eh, no, that's not all he was saying. And why the sudden need to make that kind of statement about me out of thin air? And why is *my* personal preferences suddenly so important to him (or to general readers of this board) that it should be highlighted, here? And now?
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And the only Comment of his that I can see what him defending you.
"Defending"? This I really don't get, already in the second paragraph there is some crap about assigning blame on me, for whatever, I have no idea what it is this time? Don't care either...
The whole purpose of this thread is to *hopefully* mend some wounds and bridge some gaps.
Yeah?
- He say "don't point fingers" by actually pointing fingers!
- He say he "supports all interests and respect others opinions" by highlighting interests and opinions that he obviously doesn't think is OK!
- He say "we all need to take this a little less seriously" by making a long, raving, post out of thin air, that is everything *but* relaxed.
- And basically, he is saying "we shouldn't be control freaks" by making a post that essentially is a try to apply control on postings
:lol:
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You posted here first so he didn't "drag" you into it either
No I didn't, Iggy posted here first, he is the OP, dragging me into something (I'm not sure about what, but I'm sure it's not something positive) in that first post already. Then in those later posts his true emotions shines through even more, calling me a smurf, the ironic "I love you SO much", etc.
I don't mind him doing that per se, I'm not that soft skinned (:lol:), but starting a bloody thread just to do it seems kind of pointless and mean-spirited. And it's very pointless since it has no context, it's like a flash from a blue sky.
It is obvious that you Don't see what Iggy is saying as funny. I do and I think most others do to.
But I do think it's funny (and I think "Iggy" himself is quite a bit funny as well). I however laugh *at* it, not "with" it (see the above bullet list).
:lol:
The thread is pointless, bit-wise mean spirited, totally uncalled for, not Amiga related, in other words: Pointless Spam!
In other words (again) a big:
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(Soon I bet "his friend" amigadave (the moderator) comes here labelling me as a troll, or a lunatic (or possibly both in the same post, as he has done before), and a few OS4 diehards cough up their usual "we will never buy MorphOS because of you" mantra crap (yeah, like that would have happened anyway!:lol:), and then this thread will be "perfect"... :rolleyes:)
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TMHG, I think it is safe to say that you are really into MorphOS, right?
Eh, no, that's not all he was saying.
Actually, it was.
And I was defending you.
And strongly held opinions don't make you a troll.
I wasn't kidding when I said I'm really fond of you.
:rolleyes:
So take a break, have a drink and then respond. I think this will all turn out for the best.:D
Not bad advice.
And you don't see David here interjecting anything into this do you?
They don't throw their weight around here like that
I had to plead for censure.
You need to be less confrontational.
David and I both strongly support your OS of choice and I'm convinced its the best.
Take in easy.
Jim
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"I have seen the enemy, and it is us." Pogo
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Since this thread "is what it is" anyway:
Have you thought of the Irony of this:
- An originally black man (we can call him Michael Jackson) bleaches his black skin pale white.
- Then he writes a song about black or white - preaching colors doesn't matter? "I'm not gonna live my life being a 'color'". Hmm, yeah...
How weird isn't that?
Wonder if there perhaps are some "Michael Jackson's" at some other places that has very strong "color focus"? Like here?
Is there a thing called "color fetishism" BTW? If it is, I think quite a few of them "color fetishists" seems to be hanging out on this site. Many discussions about colors here, in many threads. Not that I have anything against colors of course, personally I generally like colors, I like all colors, in fact I like all the colors in the rainbow. I'm a rainbow lover! But hmm, that doesn't of course mean I'm gay or so. Not that I have *anything against gays* or anything like that, no no, it's just that I'm not one of them! Heck, speaking of it, I'm not really into colors at all really, after all, come to think of it.
I just like being able to use MorphOS on my reasonable priced Mac Mini with reasonable performance once in a while. And I also think the whole X1000 idea was so stupid that it should never have left the design stage, it should have been swept down from the drawing table directly in the trash bin, along with the calculations showing $400,000 development costs and a consumer price tag of $3,000. And here it is: It's very easy (at least for me) to make that kind of simple statements without using one single color (not *1*)!
So please, count me out from your color games, I don't really want to participate. "I'm not going to live my life being a color", why not? Because I don't care! I don't want to be part of peoples "Smurf" fetishes either, keep that away from me. And while we are at it: save your "find the troll" games for those who actually participating in that game by, say, *trolling* instead of wasting it for those making relevant remarks about factual things, even if you don't like those remark. If you call everyone "troll" just because you are too lazy to raise a valid counter argument in the discussion, then you have destroyed the meaning of that fine word and exhausted any future possibilities of actually using that word to describe the concept "trolling" (the *real* trolling that is).
:afro: <-Yellow Afro
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Since this thread "is what it is" anyway:
Have you thought of the Irony of this:
- An originally black man (we can call him Michael Jackson) bleaches his black skin pale white.
- Then he writes a song about black or white - preaching colors doesn't matter? "I'm not gonna live my life being a 'color'". Hmm, yeah...
How weird isn't that?
Wonder if there perhaps are some "Michael Jackson's" at some other places that has very strong "color focus"? Like here?
Is there a thing called "color fetishism" BTW? If it is, I think quite a few of them "color fetishists" seems to be hanging out on this site. Many discussions about colors here, in many threads. Not that I have anything against colors of course, personally I generally like colors, I like all colors, in fact I like all the colors in the rainbow. I'm a rainbow lover! But hmm, that doesn't of course mean I'm gay or so. Not that I have *anything against gays* or anything like that, no no, it's just that I'm not one of them! Heck, speaking of it, I'm not really into colors at all really, after all, come to think of it.
I just like being able to use MorphOS on my reasonable priced Mac Mini with reasonable performance once in a while. And I also think the whole X1000 idea was so stupid that it should never have left the design stage, it should have been swept down from the drawing table directly in the trash bin, along with the calculations showing $400,000 development costs and a consumer price tag of $3,000. And here it is: It's very easy (at least for me) to make that kind of simple statements without using one single color (not *1*)!
So please, count me out from your color games, I don't really want to participate. "I'm not going to live my life being a color", why not? Because I don't care! I don't want to be part of peoples "Smurf" fetishes either, keep that away from me. And while we are at it: save your "find the troll" games for those who actually participating in that game by, say, *trolling* instead of wasting it for those making relevant remarks about factual things, even if you don't like those remark. If you call everyone "troll" just because you are too lazy to raise a valid counter argument in the discussion, then you have destroyed the meaning of that fine word and exhausted any future possibilities of actually using that word to describe the concept "trolling" (the *real* trolling that is).
:afro: <-Yellow Afro
There's a well thought out response.
Why do I have to keep reassuring you I don't think of you as a troll.
And OK, you're not a MorphOS fanatic either.
You've just made the best choice.
I'll admit that a 400K vanity project that only benefits about 500 people is a bit weird.
But you do see what hardware I'm using don't you?
And I depend on Windows less each day.
When the G5 support comes out, I'll be there with one of those.
Maybe you ought to paint me blue.
And I'll leave you out of it.
Jim
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and a few OS4 diehards cough up their usual "we will never buy MorphOS because of you"
I will never buy armorphaos4 because of you... :D
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I will never buy armorphaos4 because of you... :D
I never let anyone one else influence my buying decisions.
I'm using an Apple and Steve Jobs was an arrogant knob.
Do I care?
No, I'm using for a better purpose then OSX anyway.
And you might not buy MorphOS, but I might buy OS4 (and I don't like Hyperion or Hans and his brother either).
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I never let anyone one else influence my buying decisions.
I'm using an Apple and Steve Jobs was an arrogant knob.
Do I care?
No, I'm using for a better purpose then OSX anyway.
And you might not buy MorphOS, but I might buy OS4 (and I don't like Hyperion our Hans and his brother either).
Well I guess if you count my old Pegasos II I got new I already have(included with purchase.) . ;) But I just figured I would smash all three in to one word and have fun. :)
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Well I guess if you count my old Pegasos II I got new I already have(included with purchase.) . ;) But I just figured I would smash all three in to one word and have fun. :)
Ah, I just figured you liked tweaking grandma's nose.
He seems a little thin skinned.
Nice purchase!
Keep in mind that the best video card you can use in it is a Radeon 9800Pro (the XT won't work).
And neither OS4 or MorphOS has 3D drivers for that card (who says these two OS' are that different).
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Signing out early tonight (no doubt much to the relief of some).
Going for a beer and don't want to be accused of a "wet Monday" again.
Cheers all!
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So please, count me out from your color games, I don't really want to participate.
If you *REALLY* mean this, if you are actually genuinely sincere, then make the first move:
Get rid of your signature up to "MorphOS is Amiga done right!"
It's that simple. If you're really not a "troll" then you'll get rid of your trite jab at OS4 in your signature. That is, if you really don't have a "color."
After all, that is what you're saying, right? That you have a preference, but you haven't picked a side.
Personally, I don't think you'll do it, though.
Just my 2p.
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Get rid of your signature up to "MorphOS is Amiga done right!"
Well said!
Many people will disagree with this ridiculous "MorphOS is Amiga done right!" nonsense, because how is a MACINTOSH an Amiga? Really, how is this hard to understand?
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Well said!
Many people will disagree with this ridiculous "MorphOS is Amiga done right!" nonsense, because how is a MACINTOSH an Amiga? Really, how is this hard to understand?
Ugh, that is *NOT* what I meant, at all.....
I don't give a sh!t that MorphOS uses Apple products. The fact is, he's taking an OS4 users comments and turning them into a sales pitch for his "side" or preference. This isn't a dig at TMHG. This is an *HONEST* attempt to try to make him understand *WHY* people consider him a "troll."
I, honestly, have no preference. I never chose a side. I just come here, 'cos I love Amigas, the OS and a lot of people on here.
If you wanna make cracks about MorphOS, or AROS or OS4, don't drag me into it, by taking something I said, with genuine sincerity and use it as a dig at something you don't like.
Thank you.
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If you wanna make cracks about MorphOS, or AROS or OS4, don't drag me into it, by taking something I said, with genuine sincerity and use it as a dig at something you don't like.
I'm sorry about that. Misunderstood it completely, my bad :o
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Yeah man, I'm hurt.
I find my self so conflicted most of the time because I've always sincerely disliked Steve Jobs.
But this is the best affordable PPC stuff out there so I'm changing part of my signature.
"MorphOS is Amiga done better"
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I think it's sad we are evoking racism because some people prefer a blue butterfly over a red boing ball.
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I think it's sad we are evoking racism because some people prefer a blue butterfly over a red boing ball.
"Now put the bunny back in the box or the red boing ball gets it!" :biglaugh:
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I think it's sad we are evoking racism because some people prefer a blue butterfly over a red boing ball.
I missed that part Kesa.
So far, I thought I was the only "monkey" around here.
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"What we have here is failure to communicate" -Cool Hand Luke
"What we have here is a failure to communicate ...in French" - Strother Martin, Jr Saturday Night Live
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While I find the X1000 interesting, the logic in spending 3 grand for a sub G5 performance system doesn't add up.
And you expect people in general to be primarily logical actors?
How about people on an Amiga board? :)
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Well said!
Many people will disagree with this ridiculous "MorphOS is Amiga done right!" nonsense, because how is a MACINTOSH an Amiga? Really, how is this hard to understand?
Well, in what sense is an X1000 an Amiga other than by name? Neither have anything in common with the A1000, 500, 2000, 3000, 4000 or 1200 except their processors are compatible with some rather obscure PPC expansion for the originals. Older versions of both OS 4 and MorphOS run on original hardware, too, right?
It's pointless arguing over which is the best or which is "Amiga done right" when everybody is so opinionated and zealous. It all basically boils down to personal preference, and there's no sensical reason for anyone to get upset and resort to ad hominem over someone else disagreeing about such a banality, even if they are being loud and smug about it. Everyone is free to state their opinion, and people should recognize that even when it's not very gracefully executed.
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The post is based on the assumption that you are on the "OS4 side" of this petty battle, but I guess that might not be the case.
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@Iggy
OMG, what is it *this* time? :rolleyes: Please keep me out of your bantering!
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Please don't feed the troll, this is why he created this thread. There is no other reason for him to have started this thread just to bash you and myself.
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Well, in what sense is an X1000 an Amiga other than by name?
It's not. An X1000 is an X1000, just like a Sam is a Sam, a Mac is a Mac, a PC is a PC, a C64 is C64, an MSX is an MSX, and so on, regardless of what you run on those (and other) machines.
It's pointless arguing over which is the best or which is "Amiga done right"
Of course, because there is no Amiga done right; there is the Amiga hardware, which ended with AGA, there are various Amiga software platforms, which provide some sort of hardware emulation, and there are various Amiga operating system platforms. The only thing that is Amiga here is the hardware.
It all basically boils down to personal preference
When it comes down to what you want to use, then sure it does.
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The post is based on the assumption that you are on the "OS4 side" of this petty battle, but I guess that might not be the case.
I'm not on any side here. If people like using AOS4 or MorphOS, then that's fine with me. I don't have to use those operating systems, so it's no problem of mine. However, those operating systems don't change the computers they run on into Amigas, just like running a PC emulator doesn't change an Amiga into a PC. My problem is that some people seem to think otherwise. If people were only talking about Amiga software platforms, then I'd have no problem with any of it.
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Please don't feed the troll, this is why he created this thread. There is no other reason for him to have started this thread just to bash you and myself.
Oh you.
Its not that I have the urge to bash you Dammy.
You just piss me of.
I can handle people like Thorham.
I understand his point of view and see the validity in it.
Which is one of the reasons I changed my signature.
MorphOS wasn't designed to turn anything into an Amiga.
It was designed to supplant an Amiga.
But you Dammy.
You argue that we should just use the exact same hardware being used in all other X86 systems.
So don't pretend that I lump takemehomegrandma in with you. I like him.
He uses MorphOS.
And don't feel yourself so important that I'd create a thread about you.
Your opinions and you yourself mean very little to me because you support nothing I care about.
Anyone that thinks this thread was created for malign purposes is a dumb ass.
It was created because I want to see us be less divisive and more supportive of all the Amiga or Amigoid.
And yes Thoram, this includes operating systems based on the 3.1 API because the OS that comes from was called Amiga OS.
Now will you people stop bickering?!
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Well said!
Many people will disagree with this ridiculous "MorphOS is Amiga done right!" nonsense, because how is a MACINTOSH an Amiga? Really, how is this hard to understand?
It should be "MorphOS is AmigaOS done right" or "MorphOS is AmigaOS4.x done right" ;-)
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It should be "MorphOS is AmigaOS done right" or "MorphOS is AmigaOS4.x done right" ;-)
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It should be: "Use whatever the hell you want, just don't call machines that aren't Amigas, Amigas.".
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It should be: "Use whatever the hell you want, just don't call machines that aren't Amigas, Amigas.".
I think it should be called "remove the sand from your private parts, have a coke and a smile and STFU with the butthurt over peoples signatures or NG OS prefrences"
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It's not. An X1000 is an X1000, just like a Sam is a Sam, a Mac is a Mac, a PC is a PC, a C64 is C64, an MSX is an MSX, and so on, regardless of what you run on those (and other) machines.
Of course, because there is no Amiga done right; there is the Amiga hardware, which ended with AGA, there are various Amiga software platforms, which provide some sort of hardware emulation, and there are various Amiga operating system platforms. The only thing that is Amiga here is the hardware.
When it comes down to what you want to use, then sure it does.
I'm not on any side here. If people like using AOS4 or MorphOS, then that's fine with me. I don't have to use those operating systems, so it's no problem of mine. However, those operating systems don't change the computers they run on into Amigas, just like running a PC emulator doesn't change an Amiga into a PC. My problem is that some people seem to think otherwise. If people were only talking about Amiga software platforms, then I'd have no problem with any of it.
+1 on all points from an aros apologist.
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I'm not on any side here. If people like using AOS4 or MorphOS, then that's fine with me. I don't have to use those operating systems, so it's no problem of mine. However, those operating systems don't change the computers they run on into Amigas, just like running a PC emulator doesn't change an Amiga into a PC. My problem is that some people seem to think otherwise. If people were only talking about Amiga software platforms, then I'd have no problem with any of it.
I can't imagine Commodore could have created better OS than MorphOS and better hardware than PowerBook. Quite opposite when they screwed up basicly everything.
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I can't imagine Commodore could have created better OS than MorphOS and better hardware than PowerBook..
To quote a great man..
"I don't know; I can imagine quite a bit.."
desiv
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It should be: "Use whatever the hell you want, just don't call machines that aren't Amigas, Amigas.".
I would go for: "Why in hell am I still reading amiga.org signatures?"
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Who knows what would have been the next gen amiga if not for the downfall. Would have most certainly been powerpc I suppose. 68000 line was at its end.
The problem with powerpc is that although it creates compatibility for old 68k system friendly apps, there is no where to go after powerpc. Its another dead end. People can say whatever they want about some obscure power pc processors still being produced, but its a dead end period.
The original custom chips were amigas greatest strength but also their biggest
problem with moving the platform forward. I think its cool to see different versions of what people think the next gen amiga should be. For me? Thats AROS. - The greatest power for the smallest hardware price.
I hope to see alot more native apps for aros. Its nice to be able to run legacy apps... BUT, You can't use dpaint today. Can't use protracker today,Can't use lightwave today, you need more powerful creative apps that take advantage of available resources.
Aros is becoming more stable, more usable for everyday work slowly but surely. I hope they get over the one core issue and expand the hardware
drivers... Its also spreading out, now available for 68k, arm, x86, powerpc,
and more to come.