Teron CX "consumer version" soon for sale

[Seehund]

Couldn't resist this: talking nonsense verifiable by anyone who can click an URL...

Or send an e-mail:

From: "Marketing Department"
To: "Emanuel Mair"
Subject: Re: Pricing
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:18:45 -0800

Thanks for your interest in Mai Logic products. The Teron CX evaluation
board is priced at US $3,900 ( technical suppport is also included in the
price). However, we also sell commercial Teron CX boards that include bare
board without CPU and SDRAM for less than US $300. We will provide the CPU
of  your choice at the current market price seperately.

That was HALF A YEAR AGO, and I thought most people here had seen it, but, as I said, I see the "$3900 myth" lives on.

[anarchic_teapot]

Kronos:

Evaluation-system (with support) : 3900 (1st) 2340 (2nd - 5th).

TeronCX-MK1 (not available anymore) ~300 (without CPU)

Dunno where the $300 one comes from. One of Seehund's inventions, I reckon. Or is he thinking of the first A1 dev board run? Anyway, I suppose it's par for the course for a guy who's just publicly stated that he reckons he knows as much about MAI's relationship with Hyperion as Hyperion do themselves. Obvious he's the only person on the planet who knows that Eyetech's prototype was an eval board without CPU or support (funny: the people who saw it the day it arrived in the UK all swear it booted just as if it had a CPU, and we on the dev list have seen support coming from MAI).

TeronCX-MK2(A1) ~500 (including CPU).

Yup, that's how I read it too. I'd love to speculate about the price being slightly cheaper than planned for us Europeans, but that's all it would be: speculation. Maybe we'll know a bit more after the @lchimie show this weekend? You know, the one with both Eyetech and Thendic displaying their wares?

[Kronos]

"eval board without cpu " ?

Alan's board was one of those $3900 evaluation kits (with cpu)
and he later admitted that when Ron couldn't boot into Linux
on his just delieverd A1.

[MasterOfReality]

@Seehund:
I fail to see what you're complaining about. The original Teron used an old (and buggy) softex firmware that didn't set up the board properly. There's no way they could have sold it to end-users in that state. Eyetech/Hyperion have added a working firmware that makes productive use of the boards possible. Could Mai have done this themselves? Yes. Would they? Probably not. They're a chipset company. The sale of their "evaluation" systems to end users is a sideline that they presumably want somebody else to handle because it isn't their core business. If Eyetech hadn't approached them it probably wouldn't have happened - it's not as if Dell were competing for the contract :-P

And yes, you can get a board from Mai or other companies. Yes you can order one over the internet for a bit less than Eyetech's current price. Yes, you can put the processor in yourself (though many people wouldn't be happy doing that) And yes, you'll get f*ck*d by the revenue when it hits customs.
Internet ordering and importation may be great for the odd CD or video, but I wouldn't fancy your chances of avoiding the handling charges on something as expensive as a computer.

What Eyetech and Hyperion have done is fix up a board crippled by crap firmware, port (the latest available) linux to it, start porting OS4 to it and make it easily available in Europe. If all you can do is slag them off for that, piss off.

The OS4 licensing issue may annoy you (I'm not mad-keen on it) but it is a necessary evil to avoid widespread piracy, and you do get the choice of whether to get the OS4 compatible version of the board at purchase time. It may theoretically cost more than the teron, but any extra cost is effectively part of the purchase price of OS4.

@HyperionMP
Ben, you should post here more often - it's quite disturbing to see the appointed developer of OS4 labelled "Beginner" :-P

[Kronos]

@Black_Sab-fan

Well when it comes to OS-development, Ben IS still a beginner :roll:

 :-D  :-o  :-P  :-P  :-o  :-D

[Alkemyst]

"Well when it comes to OS-development, Ben IS still a beginner"
 ok then what OS HAS THE MOS CREW made before MOS ?

[Kronos]

Hmm Ben IS a beginner in OS-development and I fail to see what
my funny remark has to do with MorphOS (other than paranoia).

But since you have asked ...
a) MorphOS has been started far earlier than Hyperion-OS4,
and is allready working (but not finished), so that proove
that they can write a full blown OS, ergo no beginners.

You could also see the PuP-kernel as an mini-OS, since it has
all the main features that a kernel needs.

Again this was clearly a joke !!

You should also remember that the OS is not done by Ben himself
(thank god), but by his employees, and that every time Ben
gets "technical" on ann.lu, hilarious fun is secured (/me just
remember his Intui-68k = Intui-PPC speeches).

Ben may be good at making deals, and he's damn good at stiring
the masses (marketing), but he is no developer.

[Alkemyst]

Kronos your full of crap.
 
starting first does not= better
 
& i see alot of project started & not finshed like V3 is still crap & buggy.
 
V3 was started before IB2.2 & yet IB kicks its ass.
 
& the dev times means nothing if the ppl doing the coding are crap & thats way V3 still has more buggs than IB & Aweb put together.
 
so lets say i start to write an OS but i have never done any coding before but spend 10 years on it cos im lerning to code at the same time & then a coder of many years thinks he can do a better os & has the same features as mine
 
& have been working on it for 5 years , do you think i can say yours is not as good as mine cos i have been at it for ten years & you have only been at it five.
 
& then he says but mine is finshed & ill say it must be crap & full of bugs for you to finsh ahead of me because it has takem me 10 & im still debuging.
 
you should not guage hyperion by the MOS team.
 
as your saying that the MOS team are better coders & faster & thus there is noway that hyperion could do better in less time.
 
but i think hyerion team are the better coders so they need less time to get the job done.
 
& if i were you i would not keep commenting on Aos4 & the A1 see as your clearly a MOS fan & ppl will just not see you as  being unbiased.
 
just like black ppl will take jokes about black ppl better than black jokes from a white guy & thats just the say it is.
 
& you dont seem to give credit when credit is due, you never seem to give the pros  & cons about Aos4 or A1 you only give the cons.
 
WE ALL KNOW yoy dont think A1 or AOS4 will be as good as MOS or the BPlan mobo.
 
so pls dont carry on.
 
i dont like windows but i have never gone to a windows forum day after day & keep pointing out the cons of windows & then say use AmigaOs is better & keep on & on day after day with the same noise

[Kronos]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

O.k. let's rewind a bit:

1) Somebody writes that he didn't like Ben being labeled a beginner.

2) I make a joke about it by stating the obvious fact that Ben is a
beginner in OS-development.

3)You come along an bring the MOS-team into the discussion.

4)I answer that in full honesty.

5)I'm the one who is full of crap

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Alkemyst]

"3)You come along an bring the MOS-team into the discussion."
 
you know full well that all this flaming & crap is in refernce to MOS other wise you would not be here putting down Aos4 all the time. to get ppl to take a look at MOS.
 
& i have seen you post links to MOS info on a clearly A1 & Aos4 topic on OS-NEWS stating oh i could not resist.
 
so dont play the good guy here.

[Wittgenstein]

Well when it comes to OS-development, Ben IS still a beginner.

You are so naive. Do you really think that you have the knowledge to judge that? In case you have, on what parts does he not have the skill to lead project such as AOS4?

BTW, Kronos. It is a good thing to think before you open your mouth since personal insults doesnt suits you.

/W

[Seehund]

HyperionMP wrote:

BH: Sorry Seehund but that comment just disqualified you as somebody you can have a reasonable discussion with.

If you really think that a company like MAI conducts business in this way, that's the end of the debate for me.

"hi Jason, hi Vasudha, we've modified a GPLed firmware for your product, wanna have it?"

Give me a break ...

You're a smart man Ben, don't pretend to be stupid. Did you expect a reenactment of a complete corporate negotiation dialogue in a web forum? It's called "jokingly paraphrasing for illustratory purposes". For example, when people say that a Crimo$oft EULA says "By installing this software, all your first born child are belong to us", then they are joking, this exact text is nowhere to be found in the EULA.

Give me a break...