Amiga One XE Status Update

[System]

That's amazing.  He's still pushing the comparison between the crippled AMD Duron 1200 to the G4/800 as a good thing...  Apples and Oranges.

What he should be comparing, cost-to-cost, is his G4/800 solution against a real chip such as an Athlon XP 3000 (or even the outdated XP 2400).

[System]

My point here is....

The 800 megahertz G4 is probably fine to run the scaled down AmigaOS of the hopeful future.  

That being said, Eyetech et al should not sit there and try and say "my state of the art 800 G4 (which is the highest you'll be able to get for the Amiga) is twice as fast as a crippled AMD chip which now the bottom of the line series".  Sure, the Duron was ok.... 3 years ago...  (For those of you who don't understand -- apparently a lot of you -- Duron is the AMD equivallent of an Intel Celeron.  It is bought by those who really just cannot afford the $10 extra dollars for an Athlon).

Anyway, the G4/800 is NOT the top of the line PPC where the speed is concerned, granted, but it would be far more appropriate to compare the Duron to a Motorola G3 while comparing Athlon XP to the G4.  Comparing G4 (top of the line PPC) to the bottom of the line AMD Duron chip is ludicrous and does NOTHING to promote the chip fairly.

It's called "marketeering".  By telling you that the 800mhz G4 is "twice as fast as a 1.2 ghz Duron", they are essentially trying to get you to believe that the XE motherboard is as fast as a 2.4 Gigahertz PC.  This simply ain't true folks.

You might as well go back to saying "my 50mhz 060 running AmigaOS is faster than my 300 mhz Pentium running Windows XP".  

By the way, I just got an e-mail from Krex.com who's selling Athlon XP 2100 chips (1.75Ghz) for $99.00 with heatsink and fan.  With a good ASUS or Gigabyte motherboard, that runs about $179.00.  

If you want to push your product, don't post innacurate comparisons.  End of story.

[System]

Ben,

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you in regards to heat dissipation and trying to put an Athlon in an embedded situation.  That being stated, I don't consider a desktop platform such as the AmigaOne to be an embedded computer.  Forgive me if I'm wrong.

[System]

Thanks for the update Alan.

 :-D

The talk between CPU's is kinda rediculous.
We all know the sucker is gonna fly!

And not only that...
All this talk about the fastest this and the fastest that is sooo old to me.

There's nothing out there that I need 2 GHZ for unless you're talking about windows xp.

But then again, I wouldn't touch xp with a 10 foot pole.
Been there and done that.

800 MHZ is plenty of horsepower.
Especially for the Amiga.

Nonsense I say.

Give me 800 Mhz and OS4, and I'll be happy for years to come.

I don't need the latest and the greatest to be content.

I mean crap....
Just a few months ago I was content with OS 3.9 and 40 Mhz.

Until my 1200 board was fried...
Now I patiently wait for OS4 to come.

If 800 Mhz and OS4 isn't enough for you, you've got problems.

[System]

That's exactly what I'm saying.
800 mhz is not only enough to run 5 to 10 year old programs, it is also enough to run todays programs with no problem.

Freakin' good video card is all you need!

This Mhz and Ghz hype crap makes me sick.
You put 3 Ghz on windows xp and still have to wait for the icons to draw on the desktop.
Rediculous!!!

I'm running 1410 Mhz Amd with windows 2000 Pro.
No problems whatsoever.
There is nothing that I cannot do with this processor.

So why are people shouting, "we want more speed"?
Greed maybe...
That's all I can figure.
They want to have the best stuff on the block.
My machine is better than your machine.

Give me a break.
Where does it end?

It doesn't.

[System]

Man....

Got to love those Hyperion fellows.   ;-)

[System]

Yeah DagNabbit...

We know what you're hiding.

You've got the goods, and we want em.

Your aren't fooling anyone, buddy.
Give us the goods.

 :-P

[System]

(in a very low key tone, mountain_myst begins to think to himself)

boy, I wished these pegasos people would all shut up.

I am so sick of hearing about morph this and morph that.

Who's mind are they trying to change anyway.
Just because they've been fooled into a bunch of hype, don't mean I'm going to be sucked in with them.

don't they know the freakin' thing hasn't even got a tcp/ip stack?
don't they know that the installer doesn't even work right on it.
I'm sure they know about all the crashes and horrible bugs in it.

well, they can't even use real code (so they say). they have to use a bunch of emulation code to reproduce the real thing which leads to a bunch of bloat and spaghetti coding.

while on the other hand, Hyperion has rights to the real code and can change it as they will.
this cuts down on the size of the code and makes it much faster and cleaner.
and they say that os4 has limitations.
heh.
wow, these people are strange....

so they make big deals with big companies, and say it's the biggest thing since coca cola.

man, i'm sick of hearing about all the big deals with all the big companies that lead to absolutely no where.

hmmm....

huh? ....

What?....

Oh, I was just talking to myself.
I didn't realize anyone was listening.

I'll try to not think so loud next time....

sorry.    :-o

[System]

It was in reference to what JoannaK had said.
Of course we have to spell all these things out to  the Mos people I guess.

You see...

Ah, Reminding me of.. Could you confirm us that you are attending to CeBit and please give booth info so you can be found there.. ( it's a *** big show)

Then she had some sort of smiley face after that.
:-D

That little statement there was really saying...

Hey Hyperion...
Are you gonna be at the show with OS4?
Because we are!

Nana boo boo

I would expect more out of a man with your education.

But maybe, you just looked past it.    ;-)

Oh yeah...
and about your funny clown avatar.
hahahahhaha!!!!!

(mountain_myst sticks his tongue out at the clown)

oh btw...
another one of JK's posts...

Some are waiting, some are not. It's all matter of personal preferences and needs. Personally I no longer consider OS4 to one of those major interests of mine. It may well be something someday, but at the moment it's yet another neat (but unproven) idea

Just another one of you Mos people hangin' round preaching the Gospel of "THE GREAT MORPHOS".

If you need anymore imformation that maybe you can't comprehend, feel free to ask me.
I'll be hangin' round.

[System]

Yeah, I can understand the frustration.
But I really don't see it as a big thing if Amiga Inc. doesn't make the show.

It'll come when it comes. (if it does)

I used to follow Amiga Inc. everywhere they went and preach OS4, but I don't anymore.

If OS4 does comes out, I really feel that It will be the binding tie for the new Amiga future.
But if it doesn't, I reckon it's time for me to move on to windows 2k and never look back.

I'm not impressed with the Genesi side of things, because it's the same thing it's always been.
I have nothing against Germany or that side of the world, but I really cannot stand for the way they do buisness.

I am sick of over priced 3rd party hardware with buggy drivers.
I could go on and on here, but I'm not.
I figure as soon as Genesi gets thier foot in the door, that's when thier true colors will show.
Been there and done that.

The whole Amiga Inc. picture, with the dongle and all, for the first time in years has me hoping for something fresh and new.
Something that programmers can actually make money on.
I could go on and on here, but I won't.

But anyway....

If OS4 comes out, I think it will surely be worth the wait.
As far as MorpOS.

Been there and done that.

[System]

Heh...

I hear ya   :-)

Well, off to newegg.com for a while.
I'm in the middle of building a killer pc with windows2k.

The money that I was gonna spend on OS4.

But anyway...
Maybe I'll catch them later on.

Wished they could have had it out by the time my income taxes came in though.  :-P

[System]

ummm...

ok.

and btw...

I'm not a people hater.

nor do I hate you.

[System]

W2k and not WinXP?  

Well, let me put it like this...
I wouldn't give you fifty cents for a full version of windows xp professional.
I think that says it clearly enough.

When I built my last computer, I said to myself....
I'm going to go out and get me a brand new upgrade to windows xp.
I was using 98 2nd edition at the time.

So I went out and bought a brand new upgrade.
Paid over one hundred american dollars for it.

There's one problem here now...
I build my own custom computers.

I format all the time.
I make system changes all the time.
I put various OS's on my computer sometimes, so I can boot whatever OS I want.

In other words...
I bought my computer parts custom from the case up.
Everything is hand picked exactly in the way that I want it.
I love the freedom of building my own computer.

That's where the problem came in.
Bill Gates doesn't see it the same way I do.
He thinks that even though I bought my own computer, it's not really my computer.

In other words....
You don't buy windows xp.
You rent it.

So...
To make a long story short...

After a few times of changing my system around and a few times of low level formating my drives, xp pops a message up that said, and I quote:

"The serial number that you are trying to enter has been used too many times.
You must enter another serial number in order to proceed with installation".

I then took the windows xp that I had paid over 100 dollars for, and gave it to my son.

Now everytime he formats and reinstalls, he has to get on the telephone and call microsoft to obtain 30 or 40 digits to enter in before he can install.

I installed 2k on mine, and I don't have to worry about the communistic rule of windows xp.

So now you know why I choose 2k over xp.