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Re: Wico joysticks
« on: January 05, 2015, 04:24:09 PM »
No but there are leaf switches inside you can bend slightly so that they are not mistakenly in the closed position when the stick is centred.

These are incredibly reliable sticks, though.  Are you sure there isn't something wrong with your joystick port?  Have you tried different sticks in the port, or the Wico sticks in another machine?
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2015, 05:01:44 PM »
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So Ive got two Wico joysticks and I just got my A4000 up and running again. Both joysticks seem to be out of centre. When playing a game they both push the player to the right and no matter how hard I pull the joysticks to the left nothing changes or it will only stop the motion. Is there a trim adjustment somewhere that Im missing?

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Ya, thats my concern that the port is faulty as they both exhibit the same behavior.
I wonder if its repairable.

I think i/o for these ports is controlled by a cheap, replaceable chip. So, yes I think. On Commodore's 8 bit machines this was the 6522 chip...not sure what the Amiga uses...maybe the same?  I hope it doesn't use the Paula!

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http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=14136
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2015, 05:24:38 PM »
I don't know if that will tell you anything.  The mouse probably uses totally different pins on the port.
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 05:38:52 PM »
Did you take the Indvision out when you stripped the Amiga "down to the basics"?

You should see if you can replace/swap the CIA chips - that's an easy fix and cheap.  It might be the problem.  Unfortunately, you have the complication that the CIAs on the A4000 are probably soldered onto the motherboard, not socketed:

http://wiki.abime.net/hardware/cia_chips
http://www.bboah.com/index.php?action=artikel&cat=51&id=2181&artlang=en
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_custom_chips#CIA

I can't determine for sure if the CIA controls the directions of the joystick, or only the button - the information on the internet is conflicting and vague.
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 03:45:56 PM »
Besides hot-swapping joysticks - another way to fry the electronics controlling the joystick port is to touch the joystick connector on the Amiga (even the metal "wall" of the DB9 port) while having a static charge built up in your body.

Any zapping that occurs between your finger and the port can harm the electronics connected to that port.

This could easily happen when you hot-swap things on a joystick port.
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 12:31:15 PM »
Sounds like it could be the switch.  Spray some contact cleaner in there and wiggle the switch several times to clean the crud off of the contacts.  Might work better from inside the open joystick. You could also spray some contact cleaner into the tiny holes at the end of the joystick cable on the DB-9 connector. You could also open the joystick and use a q-tip swab with some alcohol to clean the leaf switches for the fire button.

If it's not that, then test the continuity from the switch output to the pin socket on the end of the joystick's DB9 connector which delivers the fire button signal to the computer.  If it cuts in and out as you wiggle the cable, there could be a broken wire in there and you'll have to replace the joystick cable.
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2016, 07:53:51 PM »
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There are two different Fire buttons on the joystick. They both fail at the same time so I do not believe the switches/contacts are to blame. I did use contact cleaner on the 9 pin connector, though. It did not help.

I will try the continuity test.


When you say they both fail at the same time, I'm not quite sure I understand - on all my Wico joystick the switch enables EITHER the stick firebutton OR the firebutton on the base.  But not both at the same time.  So how do you know they've both failed simultaneously?  Do you mean when one fails you flip the switch and the other still doesn't work?

If so, then yes it sounds like a faulty cable.
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Re: Wico joysticks
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2016, 06:53:41 PM »
I honestly wouldn't worry about the alcohol thing - I've used it for years.  It's absolutely fine for electronic contacts, especially with something as tough as a WICO joystick.
Wico joysticks are extremely robust, so there could only be a few points where the problem occurs:

1. the leaf switches inside the stick base (they get dirty or bent so they don't make contact). Solution: clean 'em or bend 'em back.
2. the button selection switch. Clean it, replace it, or bypass it entirely.
3. The cable. Broken wire. Replace the whole cable.
4. The 9-hole connector at the end.  After a while some of the copper sleeves in the holes open up a little too wide and might not make contact with the male DB9 pins on the Commodore computer. Solution - either replace the whole cable or snip off the original DB-9 female connector and attach a fresh one.  If you've got nothing to lose then you might want to squeeze the outside of the plastic DB-9 female connector hard with a pair of pliers.  This might bend some of the stretched sleeves into an oval shape so they make contact with the pins in the male connector.

If I were you, yes, I would replace the cable with the one from the WICO boss.  Really, you can bypass the switch entirely and have both buttons work at the same time.  I don't know why they even included a switch.  The switch is SUPPOSED to activate either the top or the base button (it evens says this by the switch on most of mine), but I have a few that are wired weirdly/wrongly like yours is.

But how many systems have you tested this Wico joystick on?  One, two?  And it doesn't work on all of them?

I had a VIC-20 that I had sporadic joystick response with.  I had a hard time figuring out why sometimes joysticks wouldn't work in certain directions.  I eliminated the joystick as the problem, as the issue came up with many different brands of controller attached to the VIC-20. The VIC's joystick port looked fine, so I tried replacing the input/output chips (CIA) on the motherboard.  That didn't help.  I re-flowed the solder where the joystick socket attached to the motherboard.  That didn't help.

I then finally examined the joystick connector in the VIC-20 with a magnifying glass and saw that some of the brass pins on the inboard side of the socket, where they bend 90 degrees toward the motherboard, had severed completely.  Most of the time the broken ends came to rest touching each other and the joystick worked. The breaks were almost invisible when this happened. But sometimes the stress of connecting or whatever caused the breaks to open up. I just bypassed the breaks with some wire and everything worked again.

The above solutions are dependent on the fact you're sure it's the joystick that's the problem, and not the socket on the computer, or the input/output chip inside the computer.  Obviously if other joysticks work fine on this machine, then it's the Wico that's the problem.
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