Adult conversation about this whole EULA issue.

[Hammer]

It's a stupid EULA, of course, but any AmigaOne owners running AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9 on it under UAE are breaking the licensing conditions - which automatically invalidates the license according to the EULA itself.

Note that, both Amiga Forever  (bundled with WinUAE) and AmigaOne (bundled with PPC Linux UAE) has a valid license from Amiga Inc…

[Hammer]

bhoggett wrote:
@Lando

Unless the PC already had AmigaOS installed when you bought it, you're still breaking the EULA. This also includes AmgaOnes that come pre-installed with Linux. To install UAE and run OS3.5 or 3.9 would be in breach of the EULA.

That's absolutely true. Even though the AmigaOne may be both "Amiga-branded" and "Amiga-licensed", it does not satisfy the qualification that AmigaOS must be installed on it when you buy it.

It's a stupid EULA, of course, but any AmigaOne owners running AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9 on it under UAE are breaking the licensing conditions - which automatically invalidates the license according to the EULA itself.

Note that Amiga Forever 5.x has an existing AmigaOS 3.1…

[Hammer]

Lando wrote:

Hammer wrote:

It's a stupid EULA, of course, but any AmigaOne owners running AmigaOS 3.5 or 3.9 on it under UAE are breaking the licensing conditions - which automatically invalidates the license according to the EULA itself.

Note that, both Amiga Forever  (bundled with WinUAE) and AmigaOne (bundled with PPC Linux UAE) has a valid license from Amiga Inc…

A valid license for what?

What does the license say? "This license allows you to break Haage & Partner's EULA for AmigaOS3.5 and 3.9?"

In the case of Amiga Forever 5.3; the license is for the preinstalled AmigaOS 1.x/2.x/3.1, Workbench diskimages and the Kickstart ROMs.
 
Refer to
http://www.amigaforever.com/faq.html
http://www.cloanto.com/kb/3-114.html

Amiga Forever 5.3 comes with preinstalled AmigaOS 3.1 setup i.e. existing AmigaOS setup.

[Hammer]

AFAIK no PCs are shipped with AmigaForever pre-installed.

It can be side stepped (bend rules) i.e. ship and sell the X86 PC with Amiga Forever pre-installed between the two legal entities. The legal entities can be your mom, dad, yourself and any artificial legal entity. A token cost can be transferred e.g. $1…

PTY LTD off-the-shelf companies cost about $900~1200 AUD to setup in Australia. Australian Business Number (ABN) is easily obtainable through relevant authorities and it's doesn't cost a cent.

[Hammer]

Amiga-labelled or licensed computer,

Define the word  'computer'. A virtual machine can be a computer (i.e. it calculates).

The AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9 EULA's state that your computer must be an Amiga-labelled or licensed computer

You got to first define the word 'computer'. Vague definitions may not be upheld by the court of law…  

To bad AmigaOS 3.9’s EULA is not tight enough.

and must have had AmigaOS already installed when you bought it

Covered that in the last post.

[Hammer]

 

As is obvious from the licenses, no use of OS3.5 or OS3.9 on UAE, be it Amiga4ever or not, is allowed (Amiga4ever does not provide a "licensed computer", it is just a software package)
 

One has to define “computer” in that case. Virtual machine is a computer since it computes. A computer is just a fancy name for a (programmable) calculator. A calculator can be a software or hardware product.

“Emulators” can complicates/blur things, especially with newer processors e.g. IBM’s PowerPC 970, AMD’s Athlon XP/FX/64 and Intel’s Pentium Pro/II/III/VI/M.

The PowerPC 970’s hardware translator (crush/decode) stage can be equated as  a glorified hardware emulator/translator.  Similar processes also exist in AMD’s Athlon (K7**) and Intel’s Pentium Pro (P6***) series.

It’s not the fault of Amiga companies who can’t obtain/build a ‘post-RISC’ 68K**** CPU (‘Athlon’ed’ 68K as some people will say)…

**Also exist in AMD's K6 series.
***Includes Intel’s Pentium II/III/M and 'etc'.
****Not factoring the Coldfire Series due to some issues.