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Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« on: August 10, 2016, 02:43:25 AM »
Quote from: klx300r;812337
:hammer: woah great news so looks like Kipper finally has some help over the border eh:D


234Mhz? That will be a monster with everything enabled!
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 05:07:27 AM »
Quote from: klx300r;812340
yes but hopefully this includes full functioning FPU :confused:


When I say everything I mean the kitchen sink, MMU. FPU, Branch, caches and DMA at least.
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 01:29:41 AM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;812371
Just remembered. I recall hearing a while back that the Vampires weren't compatible with Zorro slot expansions. Installing one would render all your other cards inoperable. I wonder if this has been addressed yet?


If you loose the use of Zorro slots this does not sound very desirable. I need to use some of those for other things.
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2016, 04:59:25 AM »
Quote from: Heiroglyph;812393
That's not correct. People are using them with A500's with attachments on the side and with A2000's with zorro network cards.


Well, it looks to have a USB port. If a hub can be used I won't need Algor. However I need network and high speed Ser/Par card for printing and other stuff.
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2016, 10:43:38 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;812515
All these execution per clock comments just crack me up.
If you to look at it this simplistically, a 6809 would look just as good as a 68000 in that the 6809 executes memory reads or writes in one cycle while the 68000 requires four cycles.
Of course the 68000 can do this on a bus that is twice as large, so comparing an 8 bit processor (with some limited internal 16 bit capability) to a 32 bit processor (even if it addresses memory on a 16 bit bus), is perfectly silly.
As to comparing a 200-300 MHz 68K equivalent (or even 68040 equivalent) to a PPC, that's completely absurd.
When you have your hardware, run ANY basic benchmark for CPU performance and memory bandwidth and I'll throw you back figures from a relatively slow PPC based system.
If you really think you're going to approach it, you're delusional.
There was a reason Motorola halted development of the 68K.
But then I guess you guys (and Gunnar) know better.
Right?

Look I have an A2000, and this looks tempting, but there is no real contest.
If I decide to buy a Vampire for my A2000, I'm still buying an X5000.
Because even a Tabor board would mop up a Vampire based computer.
And an X5000 is going to be much more competent than Tabor.

You guys can argue whatever you'd like, but you you can't have a separate set of facts because the truth is...well its reality.

So before you sound too much like "the moon landings were fake" conspiracy nut jobs (or worse yet, people dumb enough to buy into Donald Trump), take the tinfoil cap off your head, get a cool drink of water and think this over.

Its FPGA based, and not even a high end FPGA (which would cost big bucks), so its never going to be competitive with an even moderately modern ASIC.


OS4+ is a much bigger OS so of course it needs more resources, same with all its programs.
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2016, 11:01:25 PM »
Quote from: OlafS3;812518
And a modern Intel/AMD-System runs cycle around your X5000 at a fraction of cost. Now what? Let Gunnar have his fun there.


+1
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2016, 12:48:47 AM »
Quote from: kolla;812526
For what it is worth, FS-UAE on my macbook (that isn't even "pro") runs in large rings around Vampire, as does FS-UAE my Intel NUC running DragonflyBSD... my only insensitive to get a Vampire would be if SAGA really provides improved experience of the Amiga chipset architecture, I already have excellent RTG experience of Amiga OS with UAE incarnations.


My Wintel machine will remain just that! My A2000 & 4000T will continue to work just fine for AOS
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2016, 05:10:22 AM »
Quote from: JimDrew;812534
Well, for one it runs on real hardware.

Secondly, it's faster than 132MHz PPC PowerMacs from back in the day when running FUSION.  No need for PPC... it's junk anyways.


PPC is not junk, but neither is a good 68K machine
 

Offline QuikSanz

Re: A2080 i.e. Vampire 500 V2 on an Amiga 2000
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2016, 05:22:14 PM »
Quote from: JimDrew;812537
Oh no, trust me... PPC is junk.  I know it quite well!  I would use an x86 over a PPC any day.


I have a wintel machine also, so what? The tool is picked by the job. Why wait for win7 for a quick job that Final Writer could do before the win is ready to get a password.