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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #14 from previous page: September 20, 2010, 04:07:24 PM »
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I don't think it is really as malicious as that. MS gives special rates to large manufacturers and part of getting that special rate is exclusivity. If they gave a company a special rate and they break the terms of that agreement I don't think it is malicious to pull that rate, or at least warn of that possibility. Companies should be allowed to use special rates and other incentives to encourage the use of thier product, and revoke said incentives if necissary.

US anti-trust law says different, and MS didn't dare face off with the US DOJ over it (entered a consent decree in 1995 where they guaranteed they would end this and other anti-competitive practices), because it is highly anticompetitive for a company with a near monopoly to use that position to strongarm customers into not dealing with their competitors.

EDIT: You might also note that MS was later sued and *convicted* of a spate of violations of US anti-trust law. In fact, had it not been for incompetence on the part of the judge (spouting of to the press), MS might have been broken up into pieces.
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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2010, 04:11:32 PM »
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US anti-trust law says different, and MS didn't dare face off with the US DOJ over it


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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2010, 06:22:16 PM »
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Be.Inc would like to have a chat with you.

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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2010, 06:24:45 PM »
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I remember the CLI being particularly good and better than bash,


Errr, BeOS used Bash...
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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2010, 06:25:14 PM »
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PT: I think Microsoft wasn't so innocent in the whole matter. Gateway was a PC producer and co-operated closely with Microsoft. Microsoft definitely didn't want to have a new platform as competition.


So he didn't really know and just giving an answer that sounded good, IMO.  YMMV
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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2010, 06:53:39 PM »
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Even in 1997, Microsoft had the home desktop market sewn up.

I'd disagree there..  
Not that history doesn't show that they DID have the desktop "sewn up," but that MS felt that way...

MS is always afraid of the competition, even when it's not really there...   That's one of the reasons they've been so successful...

I do think it's unlikely the MS directly said anything about Amiga (but it's possible) at the time.  But I think it's plausible that MS reminded Gateway (and other vendors) from time to time about other platforms in general.

It wouldn't take much after a meeting with MS for Gateway to say, "You know, we don't want any ripples in the water..  That other project; we don't really want to mess with it right now.."

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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2010, 07:20:17 PM »
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To this day there are still people in the collective Amiga community who believe MS and Apple are "out to get" OS4.

Very true. OS/2 and Linux were the only ones really big enough for MS to notice and these policies MS had in place for OEMs really came from those. They just happened to be a big blanket that Gateway might not have wanted to test. Gateway had to compete price with Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM and a slew of others on their main market.
 

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Re: Interesting comment from Petro in Amiga Future #86
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2010, 08:35:36 PM »
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Be.Inc would like to have a chat with you.


I don't know what you're getting at. They clearly *did* abuse their monopoly position and massively hurt several competitors in the process - which it would seem is what you're hinting at -, hence why they entered the consent decree rather than risk a lengthy court case. In the end they violated the consent decree in several ways anyway, did face a lengthy court case, and were convicted. Only the idiocy of the judge saved it from having really severe consequences.