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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: sheepz on October 24, 2023, 03:22:29 PM
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Hi All
Final got my loft emptied and my final A1200 working. Its in a Elbox Power tower. It has a 030 with SCSI CD rom rom, IDE Hard drive and Zip 250.
With it being in a case the PCMICA slot is unusable without an 90deg adapter. I still have a Twister Mk2 fast serial clock port card I used to use with my old 56k Modem.
The question is, is there a Serial to LAN option anyone has ever used, or even wireless in an real Amiga?
Thanks
Barry
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I was think I could use something like this?
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There is a WODEM called new serial to WLAN adapter recently released, but it is not as fast as you would like it to be.
I'd prefer the PCMCIA solution or maybe a ClockPort card, the a314cp as an exotic solution.
Since you have a tower case there might be an option to add a bus board to it.
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Hi
Well it looks like I will just go for a PCMCIA adaptor. Shame, as I would like to use my Serial adaptor but I cant find the WODEM in stock in the EU.
Thanks
Barry
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WODEM is really new.
Also it's not an option - it is really slow.
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Is your parallel port free? If so have you looked at a Plipbox?
It will be faster than a serial option but slower than pcmcia.
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Oh, i forgot about the Plipbox!
Nice!
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Is your parallel port free? If so have you looked at a Plipbox?
It will be faster than a serial option but slower than pcmcia.
Hi
I did, I was just kind of wanting to use my Clock port/serial card just because I have it. I looked at the Plipbox, but I though that was really slow as well?
Regards
Barry
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A1200 towered in an Elbox case? Simples, get a Mediator. Just need a Graphics card such as a Radeon 9200 or 9250 off EBay around £40 and a cheap pci network card around £5.
The PCI network card really quick! Plus having P96 RTG modes for iBrowse is definitely the way to go…
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I've found a right angle adapter: https://amigastore.eu/en/589-pcmcia-90%C2%BA-adapter-.html
I hope this might help, certainly cheaper than a mediator 😁
As for speed of parallel Vs serial, I always thought parallel was faster no matter how the serial was connected, but there are so many variables which affect it.
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HI All
Thanks for the reply, sadly looks like there is nothing other than the WODEM to us on my fast serial port and looks like no-one have had much luck with it.
As for all the options, I am only interested in using my serial port and looks like it cant be done.
Thanks.
Barry
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I’m surprised really. If I have a Towered Amiga then a busboard with PCI to me is a no brainier. Unless money is the issue.
For browsing on a Amiga, you do need a good workbench resolution. Where the native AGA can slow down the system the higher you go and more Chip RAM get used.
Have you considered getting a PiStorm 32 Lite? I believe Networking is going to be an option like the Vampire cards… plus you get a built in RTG option using P96 (Even using the free version off Aminet).
All the best.
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Hi All
All I want really is an easy why for my Amiga 1230 to download stuff from Aminet, PCI and Mediator is a no go as I already have a high end A4000 and wanted to use my Twister Mk2 fast serial again for a bit of nostalgia as it was my main machine back in the day with a 56k Modem.
Thanks for replies, in the mean time I have a A314-cp and pi Zero coming to try it for the internet hopefully that will be a nice cheap option.
Had a few Pistorms in my other 1200 and A2000 but didn't really get the fuzzy feeling I was hoping for so when back to 68060s.
Regards
Barry
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I would try and stay away from plipbox. Have read elsewhere they can be problematic. Plus you need to power it externally as well, so more cables flapping around at the back to contend with.
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not a good idea unless u want to kill some cia's.. those are intended for connecting terminals over serial i believe.
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I would try and stay away from plipbox. Have read elsewhere they can be problematic. Plus you need to power it externally as well, so more cables flapping around at the back to contend with.
I have many plip box,they are slow, 32K/s on the good side if memory serves. I have never had any trouble with them,but i would go for the pcmcia adapter and a wired or wireless card..
vampire accelerator has ethernet but not a cheap solution.
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I have many plip box,they are slow, 32K/s on the good side if memory serves. I have never had any trouble with them,but i would go for the pcmcia adapter and a wired or wireless card..
vampire accelerator has ethernet but not a cheap solution.
I wouldn’t go wireless PCMCIA. More trouble than it’s worth, especially with the newer routers these days and added security requirements for wireless connection, which these aging adapters don’t have. Wired would be preferable.
Fingers crossed there will be a proper EMU68 wired network solution for the PiStorm and Pi which is much much cheaper than Vampire.
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I wouldn’t go wireless PCMCIA. More trouble than it’s worth, especially with the newer routers these days and added security requirements for wireless connection, which these aging adapters don’t have. Wired would be preferable.
They do, you can do firmware update to use WPA which works fine, if you have a fast enough processor.
Emu68 Wifi would be nice.
I tried Mushashi, standard hardware works, but picasso will not work no matter what I do. On Pi500, it all works fine. So must be a PS32-Lite thing.
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They do, you can do firmware update to use WPA which works fine, if you have a fast enough processor.
Emu68 Wifi would be nice.
I tried Mushashi, standard hardware works, but picasso will not work no matter what I do. On Pi500, it all works fine. So must be a PS32-Lite thing.
That’s all well and good with WPA. But a lot of newer routers these days will give you a hard time with connecting. Plenty of documented incidents of these. This is due to higher security standards being put in place.
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Just buy a decent router. I took the plunge and never looked back.
My Nighthawk gaming router, allows merging of both signals, so no seperate SSID's and it auto detects and connects to correct wifi.
Wii and PSP was worst for router connection, I used to have to mess around to get them to connect. Now they just instantly connects with no issues (even though its pointless now). Yes, I still use my PSP's.
Sorry OP, dragging this off topic.
That’s all well and good with WPA. But a lot of newer routers these days will give you a hard time with connecting. Plenty of documented incidents of these. This is due to higher security standards being put in place.
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Just buy a decent router. I took the plunge and never looked back.
My Nighthawk gaming router, allows merging of both signals, so no seperate SSID's and it auto detects and connects to correct wifi.
Wii and PSP was worst for router connection, I used to have to mess around to get them to connect. Now they just instantly connects with no issues (even though its pointless now). Yes, I still use my PSP's.
Sorry OP, dragging this off topic.
Which Nighthawk model are you using?
I don’t think you are dragging this off topic. As if the OP does want to go wireless then this is useful information to know 👍🏻
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Which Nighthawk model are you using?
I don’t think you are dragging this off topic. As if the OP does want to go wireless then this is useful information to know 👍🏻
R7800 running as router only, wifi delt with by Tenda Wifi 6 mesh x6. Can get internet from my house all the way to the end of street, :)
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And this available all the way down to the of your street wifi is protected by old WPA?
So it’s a public serive? :)
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And this available all the way down to the of your street wifi is protected by old WPA?
So it’s a public serive? :)
Obviously, you overlooked the obvious. It auto selects what the device can handle. Besides, I would look really stupid, carrying an Amiga down my street with a battery and monitor in my hands, ;). The square footage I have created is insane with my mesh. I have dumped powerline, as I was never getting 1Gbit. Now I do with my pc plugged into the mesh instead (yes each mesh box has network ports to act like Powerline).
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The question isn’t whether you _are_ dragging your WPA devices down the street, but rather whether you _could_. Unless you’ve specific measures to control signal amplitude from the “client” device, they will mirror that of the access point, to ensure other devices on that frequency can see them “shouting”. Other devices, such as my friendly wireless neighborhood security device down the street somewhere :)
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The question isn’t whether you _are_ dragging your WPA devices down the street, but rather whether you _could_. Unless you’ve specific measures to control signal amplitude from the “client” device, they will mirror that of the access point, to ensure other devices on that frequency can see them “shouting”. Other devices, such as my friendly wireless neighborhood security device down the street somewhere :)
Who cares. WPA alot more secure than WEP. Your sure your not confusing the two. WPA uses 256bit encryption, so I wouldn't care.
Anyway, I don't use WEP or WPA1 on any device these days.
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Hi
Will, got the A314cp fitted and set up, but not sure the next steps to get online. more research required!
Regards
Barry
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Who cares. WPA alot more secure than WEP. Your sure your not confusing the two. WPA uses 256bit encryption, so I wouldn't care.
Anyway, I don't use WEP or WPA1 on any device these days.
Then your posting about having wifi down the street wasn’t really relevant, was it?
WEP was broken by design, it was cracked even before it became "standard" and keysize (64bit or 128bit) didn’t really matter. WAP ("WAP1") uses 128bit keys, but new set of keys per package (Temporal Key Integrity Protocol, TKIP) unless you go "enterprise" with 802.1X authentication, which then also gives you AES and CCMP. Anyways, WPA was meant as a stopgap while "proper" WPA, aka WPA2/ieee 802.11i, was being implemented which made AES mandatory. The idea was that any hardware capable of WEP should also be capable of WPA, while WPA2 would most often require new hardware. Regardless of wpa or wpa2, with pre-shared key (PSK) anyone who snaps up that key somehow, can read all traffic on that wlan, as the PSK pretty much is the master key used to generate the other keys used with all attached sessions, while with 802.1X, each device gets its own master key for that session. The problem for Amiga now is that we are entering into WPA2/WPA3-only wifi access points, and 802.11b support also vanish. So the only "legacy safe" way forward is to have a dedicated VLAN with a dedicated legacy access point supporting old wep/wpa and 2.4GHz 802.11b, keep signal strength low, firewall it from the rest of the networls and monitor it closely.
Come again next week for crash course in IPv6, DNs64/NAT64, 464XLAT, DS-Lite (not the Nintendo) and why it all matters.
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Then your posting about having wifi down the street wasn’t really relevant, was it?
WEP was broken by design, it was cracked even before it became "standard" and keysize (64bit or 128bit) didn’t really matter. WAP ("WAP1") uses 128bit keys, but new set of keys per package (Temporal Key Integrity Protocol, TKIP) unless you go "enterprise" with 802.1X authentication, which then also gives you AES and CCMP. Anyways, WPA was meant as a stopgap while "proper" WPA, aka WPA2/ieee 802.11i, was being implemented which made AES mandatory. The idea was that any hardware capable of WEP should also be capable of WPA, while WPA2 would most often require new hardware. Regardless of wpa or wpa2, with pre-shared key (PSK) anyone who snaps up that key somehow, can read all traffic on that wlan, as the PSK pretty much is the master key used to generate the other keys used with all attached sessions, while with 802.1X, each device gets its own master key for that session. The problem for Amiga now is that we are entering into WPA2/WPA3-only wifi access points, and 802.11b support also vanish. So the only "legacy safe" way forward is to have a dedicated VLAN with a dedicated legacy access point supporting old wep/wpa and 2.4GHz 802.11b, keep signal strength low, firewall it from the rest of the networls and monitor it closely.
Come again next week for crash course in IPv6, DNs64/NAT64, 464XLAT, DS-Lite (not the Nintendo) and why it all matters.
For the record, you brought up wep. I never use internet on the Amiga, whats the point.
Thanks for the lovely rambling, :).
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Meh. I use an old MN-520 PCMCIA card, and I picked up a Linksys WRT54G on ebay for $5. Yeah I use WEP with a 128 bit key. I turned on mac filtering and turned off broadcasting so only my Amiga can connect and I only turn on the router when I use my Amiga... about an hour or two once or twice a week.
Sure someone could wait around fo the hour that my router is on, sniff out a network that isn't broadcasting, spoof my mac, and hack my wifi, but the likelihood of that happening is pretty small unless they live next door, pointing a yagi at me, and waiting for me to power it up a network they don't know exists. I live in a rural area so that is very unlikely.
It was cheaper than buying a new card for $100 that supports AES, and finding another B/G router that is compatible with the updated yet outdated card.
One could also bump key your front door and walk right into your house and take anything they want. It's even easier than hacking wifi.
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@mykrowyre
Well, that’s a perfectly reasonable way to do it.
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Would an USB-to-Ethernet adapter work connected to a USB clockport board (RapidRoad, Subway)? The first are inexpensive, the second are more expensive and harder to find, but in return you get USB ports.
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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Would an USB-to-Ethernet adapter work connected to a USB clockport board (RapidRoad, Subway)? The first are inexpensive, the second are more expensive and harder to find, but in return you get USB ports.
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
The RapidRoad is a bit unobtainable these days as Icomp don’t make or sell them anymore. Plus they were prone to going pop if you used the wrong power supply. The Subway I haven’t used. But again these rely on the Amigas Clockport which is slow. I tried to get USB to Ethernet working on my A1200 with a RapidRoad and it’s quite hard to do, even though Posiedon stack did see the adapter, you still need a NIC that uses the RTL chip.
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I’d pick a314cp over usb+ethernet.
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@ sheepz
I love my A314-cp it's not as fast as ethernet but it's a nice small internal solution for an A1200
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Fingers crossed there will be a proper EMU68 wired network solution for the PiStorm and Pi
You can use Musashi in the meantime for big DLs. You can even have a dual booting card, with both Musashi and Emu68 in the same card booting from the same WB, I posted the HOW-TO to the PiStorm wiki some time ago:
https://github.com/captain-amygdala/pistorm/wiki/Musashi-and-Emu68-on-the-same-%C2%B5SD,-booting-from-the-same-drive
I even made a small video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFltCjt_i-o%E2%80%A8%E2%80%A8) about it.
That way you can just reboot into Musashi when you need Internet, and back to Emu68 when finished, you'll find all things you dl'ed just there, because you are using the very same drive. Easy-peasy… 😉
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
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@sheepz
Just to throw this into the mix…
If you have a SCSI setup. Then there is now a way to do Wireless Networking with a BlueSCSI V2. I have obtained this with the necessary controller. When I get chance will see If I can get it to work with my B1260+MKIV SCSI or even my BPPC + SCSI setup.
Obviously the wifipi is now getting closer as well…
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There is a WODEM called new serial to WLAN adapter recently released, but it is not as fast as you would like it to be.
I'd prefer the PCMCIA solution or maybe a ClockPort card, the a314cp as an exotic solution.
Since you have a tower case there might be an option to add a bus board to it.
Very Interesting! I hadn't noticed this before! I've recently connected an Aiptek Hyperpen 6000 which has a 9 pin connector using a 9 pin to 25 pin adapter. It requires a driver called FormAldiHyd, but it works!
As for this WLAN adapter, I can see how it would be possible to connect it using the same adapter I bought to connect the Aiptek graphics tablet. However, it would probably need some software or a specific driver for this cable to get it working. I may have all the Internet software, including one or more browsers, and the TCP/IP stack already set up on a CF card I bought from a well known, trustworthy seller on eBay.
Of course, this would just be an alternative to transfers of files downloaded from the Internet on another computer, then transferred to my Amiga A1200 using a CF card. It could be for Aminet downloads, transferring artwork via email, and a couple of other things. I always used to use Amigas to create things and sometimes used BBSs. With modern computers, they're used mainly for the Internet!
How could I connect to the Internet using this cable on my A1200?
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Hi All
After a lot of trying I could not get the A314cp to connect to the internet so I have given up and sold my towered on eBay.
I am not very good with Discord etc so couldn't find much info, need to slim down my collection anyway!
Regards
Barry