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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Iggy on September 02, 2016, 10:00:12 PM
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AmigaKit technical support has sent me the following message about my problems using my recently purchased Cocolino mouse adapter.
"The mouse port is a funny thing. It operates on a finite line. So the extra circuit stuff in cocolino is drawing more current and this will be causing issue.
You will end with the same issue with every mouse. Unless its a proper Amiga mouse (no adapter)."
So...why is AmigaKit selling this thing if it won't work?
And is there any solution that will?
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Having used the Cocolino successfully for many years, that does seem like an odd response. They do make it clear that the mouse must support PS/2 protocol, however, so I trust that is what you are attempting to use?
Thanks to the help of others, I was recently enlightened about another, more compatible solution:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1272
take notice of this important line in the features:
(http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/images/bullet.jpg) support for mouses using both USB HID and USB-PS/2
Cocolino does not mention USB HID support.
I have yet to receive my order of the Rys adapter so I cannot share my experience yet but it sounds like it will allow access to more modern USB devices.
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I've used a variety of USB & PS/2 mice with my Cocolino's. No issues. Try another?
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Using my old Topolino mouse adapter with a USB to ps/2 converter and a logitech wireless mouse on my A600.
No problems here works like a charm (after i got a mouse port extender or else it wouldn't fit because of the A600 housing)
I did however have issue's with my Rys MK2, it works with a standard USB optical mouse but when using the scrollwheel with freewheel on the Rys MK2 it went banana's.
The Rys KM2 did not work at all with my Logitech Optical mouse sadly.
So I switched back to my trusty Topolino again.
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I wish I had gone with a USB to Amiga adapter.
I have already bought one PS2 mouse.
The idea of having to try multiple type to find a functional one is a PITA.
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Well that does not bode well for me. What Logitech mouse did not work for you? I got the Rys MK2 because of the limitations of the Cocolino. I specifically wanted wireless capability. Bummer on FreeWhell also but not as important to me. I guess I will find out soon enough what luck I will have.
I did however have issue's with my Rys MK2, it works with a standard USB optical mouse but when using the scrollwheel with freewheel on the Rys MK2 it went banana's.
The Rys KM2 did not work at all with my Logitech Optical mouse sadly.
So I switched back to my trusty Topolino again.
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Having used the Cocolino successfully for many years, that does seem like an odd response. They do make it clear that the mouse must support PS/2 protocol, however, so I trust that is what you are attempting to use?
Thanks to the help of others, I was recently enlightened about another, more compatible solution:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1272
take notice of this important line in the features:
(http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/images/bullet.jpg) support for mouses using both USB HID and USB-PS/2
Cocolino does not mention USB HID support.
I have yet to receive my order of the Rys adapter so I cannot share my experience yet but it sounds like it will allow access to more modern USB devices.
I am using a boring plain PS2 optical mouse.
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Unfortunately not everything has been made clear.
Only explaining / posting part of our communitcations hasn't helped.
If you use the cocolino on your CD32, it works fine. You have already stated this. However as soon as you add your SX-1, it no longer works.
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Unfortunately not everything has been made clear.
Only explaining / posting part of our communitcations hasn't helped.
If you use the cocolino on your CD32, it works fine. You have already stated this. However as soon as you add your SX-1, it no longer works.
NO, I did not say that, nor did I mean that.
The cocolino does not work on my CD32 by itself or my CD32 when connected to my SX-1.
It just does NOT work.
Matt has sent me an RMA, and I'd like to thank him for it (after all, he didn't design this thing).
Anyone in the US that wants this thing can have it for $15, before I post it back.
So...plus one for AmigaKit, big fail for the cocolino.
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Matt has sent me an RMA, and I'd like to thank him for it (after all, he didn't design this thing).
Anyone in the US that wants this thing can have it for $15, before I post it back.
So...plus one for AmigaKit, big fail for the cocolino.
I actually, sent RMA, ;).
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I actually, sent RMA, ;).
Well...then I owe you thanks.
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For the benefit of people who might not be following this thread, are you saying you have a defective Cocolino? Or that the Cocolino does not work on a CD32?
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Well that does not bode well for me. What Logitech mouse did not work for you? I got the Rys MK2 because of the limitations of the Cocolino. I specifically wanted wireless capability. Bummer on FreeWhell also but not as important to me. I guess I will find out soon enough what luck I will have.
It's some run the mill cheap logitech RF mouse i bought new many years ago for 15 euro.
I did not use it anymore because the mouse uses batteries for breakfast.
It works great with the topolino mouse adapter with a usb to ps2 adapter.
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For the benefit of people who might not be following this thread, are you saying you have a defective Cocolino? Or that the Cocolino does not work on a CD32?
I don't think its defective, just that when combined with the PS2 mice I have tried it draws too much power to function correctly.
It doesn't work on MY CD32.
I'm sure it would probably work on an older ball type mouse, and there may be lower draw optical mice that would work.
But at this point, I get nothing with or without the SX-1 (and I re-tested everything again tonight).
If I am going to use a ball mouse, I might as well use an original Amiga mouse, without the Cocolino.
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I own several Cocolino's. They work fine with all of the mice I've thrown at them. Standard PS/2, USB (with adapter), and optical.
I guess the obvious question is, is that CD32 the only Amiga you own? Have you tried it ("it" meaning the Cocolino) with any other Amiga? That should verify pretty quickly whether the problem is with the CD32 or the Cocolino.
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Received my Rys MK II today. It works with two out of the three USB mice I tried so far. One that worked is a Logitech wireless.
I have another unanticipated problem, though. Since the mice I am testing are more modern, they have higher DPI values and my mouse pointer is pretty jumpy now. I cannot find a good setting in the OS 3.9 input Prefs. It is either too fast or too slow.
What I need now is a decent wireless optical mouse in the 400 dpi range perhaps. Something tells me this may not be easy to find.
I don't suppose there is a better input preps program? Something with greater precision.
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You can use various commodities to speed it up, slow it down, etc. I don't recall the names of any specifically but I *think* Multi_CX has this function. Plus many more. Check Aminet. :)
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I own several Cocolino's. They work fine with all of the mice I've thrown at them. Standard PS/2, USB (with adapter), and optical.
I guess the obvious question is, is that CD32 the only Amiga you own? Have you tried it ("it" meaning the Cocolino) with any other Amiga? That should verify pretty quickly whether the problem is with the CD32 or the Cocolino.
I could try it on my A2000, but I didn't buy it for that system.
And the CD32 (with the SX-1) I have is definitely superior to the A2000 (except for expansion possibilities, and outside of a Vampire2, I don't have much interest in expanding my A2000).
Look, if anyone that thinks these work wants it, I've offered it for a little more than half the cost.
It does not work for me.
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Yes, I remember MultiCX. I was a big fan of it back in my WB 3.1 days. It took care of many things for one commodity. I abandoned it when I went to OS 3.9 though. I do not recall the details but it was conflicting with something or just caused the system to freeze. I believe I learned much later that something else was to blame. This discovery was made in emulation because my A3K was sold off by then.
I am using OS 3.9 again with an A1200 and was able to install the OS 3.x compatible MultiCX but I also remember now about shareware reminder nag window and the author being unreachable to do anything about it. It also is somewhat outdated with regard to OS 3.9 because it does not recognize the OS version correctly.
On the positive side, it does offer some more customization when it comes to mouse acceleration. I will have to play with it some more.
I did locate an MCX v2 key but it does not seem to eliminate the nag screen for the OS 3 version. I could also not be placing the key in the right location. Could not locate any instructions on this.
You can use various commodities to speed it up, slow it down, etc. I don't recall the names of any specifically but I *think* Multi_CX has this function. Plus many more. Check Aminet. :)
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I believe the Multi_CX "key" is a string of text that gets entered into a icon tooltype. Something ridiculous like "KEY=IAMREGISTERED", but I may be remembering completely wrong. Am buried up to my elbows in projects right now and literally can't turn around to turn on my Amiga, but google search for something like that. Good luck! :)
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Funny, I launched Snoopdos to see if it would help me with any reference to a keyfile and instead and I saw the Tooltype you mentioned below. The exact string is "I_AM_REGISTERED". Unfortunately, adding it did not make a difference. Hmmm.
So I took your advice and found out that it should be "I_AM_REGISTERED=42". Seems to be working now. :D
I believe the Multi_CX "key" is a string of text that gets entered into a icon tooltype. Something ridiculous like "KEY=IAMREGISTERED", but I may be remembering completely wrong. Am buried up to my elbows in projects right now and literally can't turn around to turn on my Amiga, but google search for something like that. Good luck! :)
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So I took your advice and found out that is should be "I_AM_REGISTERED=42". Seems to be working now. :D
:banana::banana:
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After consideration, I asked AmigaKit to drop the RMA request on the cocolino.
When I decide to rebuild my A2000 (which I upgraded to ECS a few years ago) by having it recapped and replacing the battery (which I removed to prevent corrosion), I'll use it on that.
It would be cool to have an optical mouse on that system.