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Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« on: February 22, 2004, 11:21:59 PM »
It's been suspected for a long time but researchers in the US have discovered that even weak magnetic fields damage brain cells and release damaged DNA - in rats. Whether it causes the same in humans is yet to be seen.

Powerlines being associated with rare cancers and leukemias has been an issue for a long time, and was thought to be associated with radioactive radon gas. But the matter seems worse in countries that use 60Hz and 110V - values chosen, ironically, because they greatly reduce the chance of death through electrocution. These values do produce stronger magnetic fields however.

So what does this mean? That every time you shave, dry your hair with a hairdryer, use a cell phone or even sit too near the TV you're damaging your DNA? Discuss.
 

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Re: Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2004, 11:33:04 PM »
Sure, Earth is a magnet - but one that we've spent the last five billion years evolving to deal with, and one that doesn't change poles 60 times a second.
 

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Re: Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2004, 11:40:11 PM »
Another issue I forgot to bring up - if powerlines near houses is proven to be the real cause of so many deaths, will we see a mass lawsuit explosion against the power companies?

Electricity. Weird really, so useful, but has it being slowly poisoning us since we learned how to control it?
 

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Re: Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2004, 11:52:43 PM »
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
For sure tis nothing alike x-ray.


Sure, but magnetic fields due to electricity are everwhere. We're flooded 24/7 in them, and we're not adapted to them - 100 years exposure is not enough. And at the same time as this is going on, male fertility is lowering by the decade. Connected?

I'm not trying to scare you. Without all this technology we'd be much, much worse off - that's a fact. But everything will kill ya eventually. It's a harsh universe. ;-)
 

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Re: Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2004, 12:01:13 AM »
@restore2003

Well, that's the trouble with learning environmental chemistry. It turns people into wusses. :)

Cooking meat can make cancer causing compounds. So can burnt toast. Sunbathing will damage you. Cosmetics. Smoking. Drinking. Car exhaust. Cosmic rays. Digesting food. Watching TV. Lightning. Viruses. Stress. It goes on forever. In fact there's nothing much you can do that won't attack your DNA somehow.

But I'm not going to live on lentils in a cupboard in the dark and smell bad. It'll all get to me eventually, just like it got to 2000 generations of my ancestors. No point in worrying. :) Still, I'd like to at least live old enough to take an interest in golf and spontaneously sing "Please release me, let me go." Oh, and not notice how seriously unfashionable turning up my trouser hems on the *outside* is.
 

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Re: Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2004, 12:15:52 AM »
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But deadly in wich amount?


75 years of it will probably kill you.
 

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Re: Magnetic fields "damage brain cells"
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2004, 05:01:23 PM »
Just some corrections here, smithy.

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EMFs are created by all electrical devices or electrical wires. This is because electrons 'escape' from their primary conduit.


Nice analogy but that's not how it is. Electrons themselves have a small magnetic field - electricity and magnetism are the same thing. When charge flows through a conductor (and only charge, the electrons themselves don't move), a magnetic field is generated at a perpendicular angle. Electromagnetic force itself is carried by photons, not electrons. Electrons can't penetrate out of the cable, and they're not moving along it anyway. Only their charge is.

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The one commonly accepted by scientists is that because the field is negatively charged it attracts Radon gas particles, which are positively charged. Radon gas is the nucleus of a Helium molecule, and is commonly referred to as ionising alpha radiation.


You're thinking of an alpha particle. Radon is a heavy element, a noble gas in the same group as helium. It isn't charged (and isn't likely to become charged, as it has it has a huge ionisation energy), but it is radioactive, and gives off alpha radiation, the most ionising but least penetrative type. As it decays into something else the product becomes periodically charged and is attracted to magnetic fields. Radon leeches out of most igneous rocks, especially granite. Aberdeen, the "granite city" has a background radiation level twice the norm.

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EMFs consist of free electrons moving near to the speed of light. This kind of radiation is known as ionising beta radiation.


They don't, they exist as photons at the speed of light. Beta radiation is totally different and can be stopped by half a millimeter of aluminium. A magnetic field is practically infinite in range and to my knowledge will "pass through" anything.