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Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« on: October 20, 2018, 05:33:45 PM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2018, 09:23:25 AM »
The license for OS 3.1.4 does not specify whether it permits use with emulators or not, but Thomas Richter has been very vocal about the license specifically only allows OS 3.1.4 to be used with physical Amga systems, since Cloanto are the ones with permission to distribute for emulators.

But AmiKit aren't distributing it, only providing a link to buy it from Hyperion.

Exactly, leaving it up to the individual users to commit the license breach.
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2018, 09:33:49 AM »
Come on. Do you really think Hyperion is going to turn away someone's $35 because they are going to run it in UAE? Be realistic.

No, Hyperion is clearpy targeting the largest market, emulators, with OS 3.1.4, despite what the developers say. The EULA is vague about what Hyperion sees as "a legitimate" version of Amiga OS, and I am quite sure this vagueness is done on purpose, so it can be retrofitted to mean whatever Hyperion want it to mean. However, such restrictions must be very specific when selling to end-users, which is why I have reported them to the European Commission. Hyperion must also be realistic, they are pissing off people left and right, and what goes around comes around.
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2018, 10:39:29 AM »
Since I made a formal complaint with the EC, the license has been copied to the download page.

http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php/where-to-buy/direct-downloads/188-amigaos-314
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 10:41:01 AM by kolla »
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 
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Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2018, 03:06:53 PM »
I find this section in the license rather nuts...
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You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the AmigaOS.
(Never mind that my appropriate locale settings do not exist.)
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2018, 11:14:05 AM »
Why is this in the license?

Because Hyperion intend to keep all interpretations open so they can make them fit whatever scenario they potentially end up in.
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 01:25:36 PM »
Right, I still don't know whether it is considered "legal" to use OS 3.1.4 for the system I bought it for, the Minimig v1.1, and until I have a clear answer, I will certainly not buy more copies.

How about this funny phrase then...
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You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the AmigaOS.

Really - required? Never mind that the Norwegian locales that comes with OS 3.1.4 are so full of typos, spelling errors and ... danish (I had to look up "Fortryge"), that they barely are "appropriate" at all.
(In the meantime I have made my own locales, without any help from any OS developers or Hyperion, who for whatever crazy reason do not wish to relese .cd and .ct files)
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 10:41:47 AM »
If anyone has any interest in this, I asked Hyperion directly on their forum, and also mention AmiKit.

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4142

But what are the odds that there will be straight up answers ...
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2018, 10:51:42 AM »
The full sentence is:

This license allows you to install or operate the AmigaOS only on a computer system that had a version of AmigaOS installed on it at the time you acquired such computer system, which was especially prepared for running AmigaOS through the use of a dedicated (flash)rom or similar mechanism or for which a legitimate version of AmigaOS was or is available.

Do you read the above as 2 types of systems, or 3 types of systems (do you have an implied "or" or an implied "and" before the "which was especially prepared")?
What is your understanding of "a legitimate version of AmigaOS"? Is a kickstart ROM enough?
What is a "similar mechanism" - is a kickstart file on an SD card a "similar mechanism"?
Does Hyperion consider Cloanto distributions of kickstart/workbench, and licenses of thereof (for example sold with MiST and Minimig), "legitimate"?
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2018, 09:39:40 AM »
Well, this is the license with terms for end users who buy from Hyperion directly, you can read it here:

http://hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php/where-to-buy/direct-downloads/188-amigaos-314
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2018, 03:02:39 PM »
I have the original that came included, and that one I also have included in my complaint to the EC.
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: New AmiKit X with AmigaOS 3.1.4 support!
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2018, 01:58:38 PM »
@Pgovotsos

I have checked now, the license currently on the web page is _identical_ to the one that came with zip file - apart from a couple of line feeds, diff shows now difference at all. So whatever changes you have seen, must have been your imagination :)

I was curious, because I really couldn't see any difference...
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A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 
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