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Operating System Specific Discussions => AROS Research Operating System => Topic started by: trekiej on September 02, 2011, 12:24:48 AM
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If I install software to Aeros, do I get a choice of Linux or Aros?
I guess it depends on the installer program.
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Sounds like Aeros is Linux entirely minus the desktop environment, with AROS taking its place, so I'm guessing "no." If you want both, it's easy to run AROS hosted on Linux.
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On a side note I would like to build my own Xamiga set up.
It does not have X . It uses Frame Buffer.
It would be a while before I could do it.
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If it doesn't have X, how far does the claim in the other thread of being able to run Linux software go? Is it command-line/curses only, or have they rigged up a compatibility layer between X and whatever AROS calls their Intuition replacement? (That sounds like a job and a half.)
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It at least sounds like it has its window manager removed.
Edit: Sounds like it has Fluxbox.
I believe I will be cleaning out the other HD's I have for this install.
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Just nine more days.
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Sounds like Aeros is Linux entirely minus the desktop environment, with AROS taking its place, so I'm guessing "no." If you want both, it's easy to run AROS hosted on Linux.
It *is* AROS hosted, but running full screen and with some extra glue to let the AROS side of things start Linux applications overlaid on top of it so you don't need the Linux desktop.
For my part, it sounds very interesting. I already have my desktop manager configured to work as close to AROS/AmigaOS as I can. But I need some Linux apps that aren't ported yet (most importantly recent versions of Firefox and Chrome, as well as Thunderbird). If I could use AROS my desktop manager and still run my essential Linux apps and it works well, I'd be spending much more time in AROS.
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If I install software to Aeros, do I get a choice of Linux or Aros?
I guess it depends on the installer program.
AFAIK, the whole thing doesn't consist of components you hunt down from the Internet yourself, but a pre-made package (on Efika MX for example, I was told it will come as an image file for easy boot/installation). A customized and somewhat streamlined(?) Linux sits on the hardware, but all it does is to boot up AROS (and there is no Linux desktop at all), and then sit underneath it and provide AROS an interface to the hardware through its drivers, and handles any Linux app you run from AROS. So IMHO (but I could be wrong) there is little point in "choosing Linux distro"; you won't see much of it, AROS is what you will see and use (with the exception of any Linux app you might choose to run), and I guess it comes pre-configured as one single SW package? Probably any updates will be handled in the same way? (i.e. you don't upgrade the linux part yourself, nor the AROS part, but download new releases of the AEROS OS that might contain both. This product is about Amiga/AROS, not Linux, which is only an "enabler" ;))
I'm looking forward to use AEROS on my Efika MX machines with real Adobe Flash, etc, etc. Will be cool! :)
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So IMHO (but I could be wrong) there is little point in "choosing Linux distro"; you won't see much of it, AROS is what you will see and use (with the exception of any Linux app you might choose to run), and I guess it comes pre-configured as one single SW package? Probably any updates will be handled in the same way? (i.e. you don't upgrade the linux part yourself, nor the AROS part, but download new releases of the AEROS OS that might contain both. This product is about Amiga/AROS, not Linux, which is only an "enabler" ;))
For me at least, being able to install and update Linux packages using apt or yum would be very important. Without that, it'd mean it might be a lot of hassle to get a lot of tools I depend on installed on it. To the extent that without access to a good package manager, it couldn't possibly replace my current Linux setup on my laptop - I don't have weeks of free time to compile stuff that's not pre-installed from source.
Getting that right will make a big difference in how viable it is for regular use for a lot of people.
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So how is this turning out?
Anyone tried it yet?
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This sounds rather interesting I must say.
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/bump
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The name is now Broadway-X. The Aeros moniker was just too much like Aros so it was dropped.
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can't wait to try this... Being able to run aros, 68k apps, windows apps, dos apps, linux apps, and more all on the same desktop... NICE!
Being able to run chrome, firefox and more... AWESOME.
Gimp, kdenlive, blender, open office... It adds SO many capabilities to aros and also forget about driver problems.... Since its linux hosted almost ALL hardware will work, or nearly so...
I think this just may be the future of my amiga hobbying...
Keep us informed, great work guys!
Steven
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can't wait to try this...
I agree. I always wanted to run AROS Linux hosted but I've been to
lazy to read up on how to set it up. Broadway X will give me
the best of both worlds and I look forward to using it.
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To install any Linux app you need to use aptitude or apt-get
One way:
Right click on tint2 will launch the Debian Menu -> choose synaptic
Another way: right click on tint2 -> Debian Menu -> terminal -> type "aptitude install "yourappofchoice"
This will install it to the Linux side.
So if you like to have an icon for it in AROS you need to do the following:
Start AROS shell
type "edit "nameofapp""
type "lxout "nameofapp"
Save as "nameofapp" without any suffix.
Get an png (icon from google) rename it to "nameofapp" wit suffix ".info"
Place it in the same folder as the editet script.
This is the handmade way. I will offer a bunch of predone icons so you just need to use aptitude to get the Linux binaries if desired.
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Pascal
Is Broadway-X a free download somewhere? Not the Pi one but for a PC? I really like the idea of AROS and Linux apps like Chromium on the same desktop
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The fragmentation of AROS is getting offputting. Seems there's 5 different variants of it, can someone tell me where to obtain a non vm, non other OS hosted version I can simply install on this old AMD X2 box I built?
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The fragmentation of AROS is getting offputting. Seems there's 5 different variants of it, can someone tell me where to obtain a non vm, non other OS hosted version I can simply install on this old AMD X2 box I built?
http://www.icarosdesktop.org
it's that simple really, if you don't like that one there's two more to choose from.
So there's no fragmentation at all. Just three different distributions.
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The fragmentation of AROS is getting offputting. Seems there's 5 different variants of it, can someone tell me where to obtain a non vm, non other OS hosted version I can simply install on this old AMD X2 box I built?
Only 4 I can think of:
Icaros (non hosted)
Broadway (non hosted)
Broadway X (hosted)
AspireOS (non)
Question for me is why there needs to be 3 non-hosted versions?
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why having Amikit and lightweight distributions on 68k? It is a matter of taste, some want much installed, big functionality, others more or less only a base installation. The problem (or better opportunity) of Aros is that it covers a wide range of hardware platforms and because the "nightly builds" are only basic you need distributions for the end-user. So basically there are 2-3 distributions for X86 (Icaros, AspireOS (dedicated to Netbooks/Notebooks and Broadway-X). For ARM there is now Broadway-X (f.e. tablets), for 68k my "Aros Vision". So the split is only the result of the various uses and the flexibility. The opposite is in the PPC camp (AOS, MorphOS) where only very limited hardware is supported. I prefer the situation of Aros with competition and flexibility. Think about what situation you prefer?
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Cheers for the advice on which to choose, I was having a hard time making sense of what does what, and I am after an installable version, don't need/want a hosted or live version.
Thanks, will give Icaros a shot!
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So it's a Debian distro underneath?
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@persia
Yes. (Assuming you are talking about Broadway X.)
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Hi,
yes it is debian underneath (find it very comfortable to use)
For x86 i am now testing how DragonflyBSD is working on the last AresOnes...
I will coop with OlafSCH who did the AROS Vision (68k) distro.
A debian based ISO will come at first (june since i need to reorganize webspace, buy additional and traffic... Broadway X downloads have exceeded my limit)
Broadway X alone (the hosted distribution) can run on every Linux.
I am considering to use the name AEROS again to make the difference between Broadway X and the full UNIX/AROS hybrid-iso clear.....
Still not shure about this...
very old booting the ISO video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaZn4d7rP18&list=UUUzG5OUZ3TNHSzjab9ENVjg&index=2&feature=plcp
A how to install AEROS (old)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09RdJme4z4k&list=UUUzG5OUZ3TNHSzjab9ENVjg&index=9&feature=plcp
Please be patient, i am really busy and real life has slow downed a lot. But it comes.
And if someone thinks i am acting strange agains Clusteruk... i was just pissed that he gets all whooos and aaaahhh and people are applauding him for bringing AROS to the pi.. ok.. why not : ) He did?
Whatever.. I was more pissed of because he was rushing ahead publically with the anouncement of selling sd-cards.. whooaaa .. i hoped he could have just asked before doing this. Everyone aks. I ask Paolo, Niko, Olfaf and vice versa.
So, yes i was pissed off. So excuse my "strange looking" behaviour on some forums. I hope you can understand me a little. If not.. doesn't matter ; )
I will stop moaning around.
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Hi,
yes it is debian underneath (find it very comfortable to use)
So, yes i was pissed off. So excuse my "strange looking" behaviour on some forums. I hope you can understand me a little. If not.. doesn't matter ; )
I will stop moaning around.
Any news on AEROS? Is PPC edit planned?
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So how is this turning out?
Anyone tried it yet?
I think it is a good way to get started on AROS hosted.
I have downloaded the DVD (r3) image a few hours ago and you don' t want to use it that way. Openbox was the window manager, the resolution was low and the gfx-driver sub-standard. But that's not the whole story:
if you unsquash the boot image you can run AEROS from any Linux distro within minutes. Just go to squashfs-root/usr/share/AEROS/boot and run AEROSBootstrap. OFC you have to do some linux-setup (tunneling?) yourself, but it looks like this is an easy road to use AROS hosted. I have never done this before and it runs so much faster and cleaner than AROS under VM.
I will definitely spend more time with AROS in the future thanks to AEROS.
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Hi,
AEROS comes with no drivers (not exactly true, but for most of you). As soon you install the right one it is far better. Livemode is just for installation purposes. Openbox is needed, else some stuff isn't working. Mouse will else stop inside AROS.. this way you can just move over AROS and Linux windows without trouble.
About PPC:
I have it running on the powermac of my daughter.. but to be honest:
PPC AROS comes with not much apps... Vice is available..
Linux PPC lacks also some modern software but I got an outdated Wine build to work
0.5.5....
All in all i am not really interested to move my fingers for only 2 or 3 persons.
If their is "really" interest i could do it. If someone likes to take /help with it, fell free to contact me.
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Hi,
For x86 i am now testing how DragonflyBSD is working on the last AresOnes...
An interesting topic sharing both AROS and DragonFly BSD: http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/169142 .
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I am running V2 with a NV6600GT video and it runs fine.
Still has some problems.
I like it alot.