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Offline RobPotts

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #344 from previous page: April 28, 2014, 09:42:03 PM »
Hi
Well I see 23 pages of Linux or Windows bashing. All I will add is I have used PClinuxOS since 2007, and while duel booting only went into windows a few times, eventually getting rid of windows (only iTunes is missing and if you must you can get it in vbox). It runs very well, with no notable slowdown over the years, and I'm very happy with it.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #345 on: April 29, 2014, 08:39:50 AM »
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You're funny - what Desktop Operating System that OEMs might have chosen could Microsoft have sabotaged in the last 10 years?

For more recent examples of that kind of behaviour search the net for "UEFI Secure Boot", which in turn is the second coming of "Trusted Computing" - Google the latter in combination with "Palladium" and "criticism" to learn what the rest of us have to worry about regarding Microsoft even if we never use any MS products.


Stop the lies! The day that Microsoft 'saved' Apple

I'm not into MS bashing, their "competitive big business corporate behaviour" (I love euphemisms) isn't worse than that of any other IT giant. I wouldn't want to know what Jobs would have done with that kind of market power.

But Microsoft pretty much invented the "reps with black top hats, capes, and stiffly waxed moustaches going around the world sabotaging other products" type, so let's not pretend otherwise.


Yep I agree stop the lies. And you just quoted Zdnet to me to prove a point.  I preferred when you used Wikipedia.

BTW I only bash bashing generally. I think (hope) you'll find I haven't bashed either Linux or Windows.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #346 on: April 29, 2014, 11:00:38 AM »
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Depending on the support contract, that might or might not be a big deal. It's also possible they have a large customer who has requested that, so they already have a process.

Support contract with who? They are more likely to promise Linux for a large customer and just take a bath on the extra cost, sales people will promise the earth if they can smell commission. In the server market though Linux is a big deal, so they do tend to support it there.
 
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Who said anything about supporting an OS they can't charge money for? Of course they are going to charge money for it..
Free to them doesn't mean free to the consumer.. ;-) Of course support costs need to be built in.

Which will mean that buying a computer with Linux could cost more than one with Windows, which is likely going to upset the majority of Linux users who only use it because it meets their communist ideology. Selling with no operating system at all also has a cost beyond the Windows license itself, like the additional cost of support/returns when people find that the operating system they want to install won't work. It's easier and cheaper all round to just say it's Windows only, take it or leave it.
 
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If it costs money, and they don't make money selling it, they won't.

Sure, which is why generally they won't.
 
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It costs them money everytime MS releases a new version of the OS. Doesn't mean they won't support it...

They can spread that cost over a whole lot more systems. The component manufacturers also make the same choices, so the cheaper components are likely to only have windows drivers.
 
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If/when it appeals to customers, then they will support it, regardless of the "cost" to them. That is just the cost of doing business..

It has to appear to enough customers and they have to be willing to pay more if they happen to be in a minority.
 
 
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For more recent examples of that kind of behaviour search the net for "UEFI Secure Boot", which in turn is the second coming of "Trusted Computing" - Google the latter in combination with "Palladium" and "criticism" to learn what the rest of us have to worry about regarding Microsoft even if we never use any MS products.

UEFI secure boot is one of the most demonised good ideas ever. The criticism is basically "UEFI secure boot is evil because Microsoft is evil". I've yet to see a single valid criticism of it.
 
It was designed purely to stop malware from installing itself in the boot process, where it could hide itself from any anti virus/malware software.
 
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Stop the lies! The day that Microsoft 'saved' Apple

The funny thing there is that the headline suggests it's a lie and then goes on to list the many ways that Microsoft saved Apple.
 
Microsoft bought $150 million of stock & committed to writing apps for the Mac, it saved Apple. Why they did it is irrelevant.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #347 on: April 29, 2014, 03:05:39 PM »
The belief that Microsoft "saved" Apple is predicated on the belief that without these events Apple wouldn't be here today.  That's a really big assumption.

It was Steve Jobs who saved Apple.  Period.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #348 on: April 29, 2014, 11:50:10 PM »
And he makes himself look like a fanatical unrealistic fanboi zealot in
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...the majority of Linux users who only use it because it meets their communist ideology.



Looking for conversations with rational people who can see the positives and negativies in both OSes..
Obviously not this conversation..

Have a good one..

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #349 on: April 30, 2014, 07:55:49 AM »
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And he makes himself look like a fanatical unrealistic fanboi zealot in
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Looking for conversations with rational people who can see the positives and negativies in both OSes..
Obviously not this conversation..

Have a good one..

desiv


Yeah, But did he mean it as a compliment or an insult? Perhaps he should have said Socialist ideology. Yeah?  But if that were the case which OS would be Fascist and which a dictatorship? A topic for another thread.

@Sean. (without prejudice) Is it the "Period." That converts a belief into a statement of fact?  I might try that in the future.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #350 on: April 30, 2014, 02:15:18 PM »
Trying to get the thread back on track, I'm working on the same thing.  Absolutely disgusted with the AOL interface of WinBlows 8.X.

Nobody has mentioned Fedora.

How does it  rate?

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #351 on: April 30, 2014, 03:00:11 PM »
You know 8.1 in Windows isn't dreadful.  It's actually pretty good on a touch screen and not terrible with a trackpad/mouse.  The Windows store apps now appear on the status bar, you can shrink them and close them, there are visual clues on the start tiles screen to help you get around.  The desktop actually makes some sense now instead of appearing to be a vestigial appendage.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #352 on: April 30, 2014, 10:11:52 PM »
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And he makes himself look like a fanatical unrealistic fanboi zealot in
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Looking for conversations with rational people who can see the positives and negativies in both OSes..
Obviously not this conversation..

Have a good one..

desiv

This thread has been enlightening. So far we've been told that Linux is for Gay Muslim Communists.

Won't someone think of the children?!?
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #353 on: April 30, 2014, 11:32:45 PM »
Tips on moving to Linux: It can be a fun and rewarding technical experience. Emotionally somewhat like golf.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #354 on: April 30, 2014, 11:40:14 PM »
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This thread has been enlightening. So far we've been told that Linux is for Gay Muslim Communists.

Won't someone think of the children?!?

What?
Think about indoctrinating them?
Thinly disguised Linux called Android is being pandered to that market as we speak.

"Would you like a tablet little boy?"
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #355 on: May 01, 2014, 07:36:57 PM »
Stay away from the user-friendly distributions. While they make things easier, they're also bloated pieces of crap. Although, optimising them can be quite a learning experience. :D
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #356 on: May 01, 2014, 09:01:33 PM »
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The belief that Microsoft "saved" Apple is predicated on the belief that without these events Apple wouldn't be here today.  That's a really big assumption.

It was Steve Jobs who saved Apple.  Period.


He did, but he couldn't have done it without Microsoft's investment, they made a life-saving cash injection into the company.

Don't get me wrong, they didn't do it out of the kindness of their hearts, back then Microsoft were getting torn apart by the competition and monopolies commissions, particularly in Europe, it was the anti-trust era.  Microsoft needed a competitor to still exist, hence they saved Apple.
 

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #357 on: May 02, 2014, 12:00:53 PM »
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #358 on: May 02, 2014, 04:56:36 PM »
That amount of cash would have been nice, if it actually even changed hands, but even in 1997, with the absolute garbage they were selling, Apple did seven billion, with a "B", in revenue.  Microsoft did just shy of twenty that year and DELL did "only" about $700M more than Apple as one of the most recognized mainstream desktop labels.  The MS investment wasn't even half of what Apple spent buying NeXT from Jobs in 1996.  He could have personally saw to it Apple got a piddling $150M himself if that was actually a figure significant to the company's future.

Now put those numbers in perspective considering Apple was still a niche player without the benefit of simply being part of the accepted standard on the desktop for mainstream customers who were happy to just buy whatever took the least amount of effort, what they had on their desk at work, what ran all the Microsoft apps they'd been conditioned to think they needed.  Boring stuff appropriate for boring boxes, and it would be a few years yet before Apple took dominance in several niche markets, all still in their infancy or practically non-existent yet.

After this, and in the years since, what impact has the presence of MS Office had on the markets Apple dominates in?  None, because Microsoft only makes banal, mainstream apps, the kind that dominate markets Apple wasn't significant in before Bill's giant head appeared at the developer's conference and the kind that they're still insignificant players in.  The MS deal was mostly symbolic, part of Jobs' role as the messiah returned to the company he built.  It was a "if he can do that, he can do anything," sort of deal.  It was a show of faith and peacemaking and deal making ability (of course there would be future betrayals of this notion, the pain in the rear of Flash support, for no other reason than customers just not having to deal with the lack of it, forgetting whether it sucks or not).

I'll remind you as well that a few years later Adobe all but left Apple and the Mac platform.  Through the early transitions to OSX their software was horribly under-powered because they were running it all through an emulation layer.  Adobe is a terribly slow, mostly lazy developer.  Still.  The OS9 versions outperformed on the same hardware.  Premiere had the dubious honor of becoming a not exactly frame accurate nonlinear editor.  Folks beholden to Adobe apps started switching platforms to Windows in droves, including some high visibility professional customers.  So Apple starts acquiring and then re-branding competitive software that takes big bites out of Adobe and Avid.  And they came back.  Adobe and some of the customers.

Ten years later they'd more than tripled revenue, no thanks really to word processing or spreadsheets or databases.  They did it doing what put them on the map in the first place, making fetishistic products which is something Microsoft has not, cannot and likely will not ever have a hand in.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #359 on: May 02, 2014, 06:21:46 PM »
Adobe...
Jettisoning that crapware under Windows would be quite desirable.

Under early Mac OS revisions, Adobe technology was great in enabling WYSIWYG.

These days, I am oh so tired of the slow downs and crashes this stuff engenders.
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